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Hi Benno

Well, It seems that we are going through some discussion to come to a
solution for the cvs stuffs and build process.

As you said, you're preserving two major goals, first the usability and
second the easy deployable project file. Okay, I will discuss the first
issue first and point my ideas in this respect.

As you said about the Eclipse and the tomcat support, the development is
seemed somehow tighten to these two tools as you're structuring the
files as the Eclipse is okay with but in general we would be different
developers with different IDEs running on our systems and, therefore the
project should be somehow well structured so that anyone can find where
to go and make changes. At this point we should declare the "well
structured" word. You know, when we are talking about source files, we
really mean them to be the same project, if they are not in the same
project they should be really in different ones, no doubt. So the file
structure should talk by itself. Right now, we have two or more source
directories. One is the framework and the other is the project files and
so far. If the frame work is totally another project, then we put it in
another project ( I don't mean another registered project in sf.net )
and the program uses the jar file. Well, you also talked about the
licenses. It is so easy, putting the whole sources together doesn't mean
that we would put them in the same jar file. We can cope the situation
using Ant easily. Ant is capable of handling any strange building
process. I will come to this very soon. The other point to mention is
this tomcat, I think the way we are organizing the project files is a
speciall tomcat-oriented one. I just wanted to deploy the project on
JRun4 and I encountered couple of problems. The very first thing was I
had to put the deployed file's directory in the classpath, letting the
program finding the property files and another point was to set the
application context root to vif by hand. I think the problems all stem
from current dependency of the project built files to tomcat server
which is not the a real production server in most cases. We in the
company are using the WAS on iSeries but I think we are crazy to do so.
Even the simple OC4J is better than WAS but tomcat by itself is simple
servlet container.

The build process. To be honest with you, I don't know how a developer
is supposed to know how to compile a project source files and get the
result jar, war or ear file. I am still confused how to compile the
whole project as I am just using IntelliJ IDEA, but with some ant script
we keep all developers away from changes in the build process. It is
just needed to have the latest build.xml file from the cvs and then you
can find everything fine. You see, we have the same problem in the
company. The current project we are using in the company is using the
Ant for the compiling and stuff like those. The whole process takes
about 10 minutes and it does lots of things just as generating soap
helper classes, ejb files using XDoclet and running xrpcc on the
generated files to have the configuration files and lots of stubs and
blob blob files and then everything is compiled and eventually in the
dist folder we have three folders, client, server and javadoc. Each one
has the needed files to be used and I don't know how the xrpcc is
working but I can build the project. In our case, without using Ant, we
have to know what exactly to do, (and I mean) not to forget any step to
have the correct out files. As far as I know, Eclipse also has some
plug-ins for Ant so you can use it as well.

Well, I think I have talked too much so I cut it for now and tell me if
you are not still convinced :)) I am going to describe more.

Thanks,
Farzad.

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Farzad Kohantorabi
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