#The Saddest Most Devastating Parallel
It's literally crazy the fact he can feel her, even when he don't see her. It's partly why I believe in his theory about El survived. Yes, he could be in deep denial. But the fact he always canonically feel her during the entire show give me hope. And with that fact in mind, the idea of the Duffer brothers about El & Mike never see each other again if she is alive is bullshit. Because it is precisely partly due to this ability that they have always found their way back to each other. They are like a single being split in two.
I Am Stelena fan same as you. I will loved to hear from you how do you imagine Stefan and Elena getting back together as the original Endgame if Nina never left the show. If she was full season 8. Stefan with Caroline , Damon and Elena and Elena getting back together with Stefan his true love
omg I love that you asked me this but it’s honestly such a hard question and I wanna make sure I’m doing stelena justice yk?! lmaooo🤣
If I were the writers and I knew that Nina would stick it out seasons 1-8, I would build back stelena in little pieces and I feel like the show started doing that already in season 5.
For example, when Stefan lost his memories and elena took him on a trip to the past…nearly kissed him…she pulls away and tells him she’s with Damon…I would make that whole situation blow up, I would definitely have Damon and Stefan have a row about it (because Stefan can’t remember how delena became to happen) and then Damon finding out that Elena almost kissed Stefan because maybe Stefan said it in a moment of anger and hurt?? then Damon gradually and naturally becomes more aware of little stelena moments and he becomes even more insecure than he already is, so there’s already that unhappiness element in their relationship set up. Then Damon goes rogue because ‘Elena’ (Katherine) breaks up with him, and then Elena gets mad at Damon for being clueless about the whole thing, which then I know in the show they sleep together and I’d keep that in there and the episode after (toxic ik but that’s the point) elenas gonna eventually realise that they are borderline toxic and that this isn’t working very well but she stays with him because she doesn’t want him flying off the rails again if she did decide that Damon isn’t what she’s wants anymore.
Then blah blah…obviously Damon dies at the end of season 5? (I think don’t quote me on that haha) and Elena can’t handle being independent because she’s forgotten how to be herself outside of lessening herself for Damon’s sake and she can’t handle him being dead (still loves him tho) so she erases her memory of him - she sees him as a monster now. (This is when I’d start to fully break their relationship down because for Elena, she doesn’t remember the good parts, ergo the love element on her part is lost. This is when she spends her time with the person she remembers actually being happy with: Stefan. she starts remembering why she loved him, how much she still does etc. id have it so all the things that Damon does when he comes back to life - trying to get Elena to see the good in him and getting her to believe that she loved him once - didn’t really work (as it should’ve been like in the show because why would you get with somebody you have no good memories with and only remember him as stefans brother…the guy who killed your brother and harassed your friends??) We all know she’ll eventually get her memories back but it’s not the same with Damon anymore, I’d have her feel stuck with Damon, she’s unhappy being with him, she knows they bring out the worst in each other now and she feels guilty for wanting something else…someone else 😉
I think I’d have steroline start to happen how it did, I don’t think I’d change that, (I think he saw a shot at being happy and for that to happen he forced himself to move on.) but! of course Caroline makes him turn his humanity off. And I think I’d make this hard on Elena, her rock is gone - she’s already feeling stuck and unlike herself with Damon and now the one person who knows her better than anyone else? he feels nothing. no empathy. Damon feels the same way, he needs his brother for support so they both strive to get Stefans humanity back on.
Further on, Stefans helping them get Caroline’s back on too, (Stefans developed feelings for Caroline because they’ve slept together now and it’s complicated and what not) and then Caroline says that whole line about how Elena can try hide from the truth and play happy families with Damon but aslong as she’s with a vampire, she’ll never get what she wants.
Queue elenas realisation that she’s never going to have any of that because she’s a vampire…Damon’s realisation that Elena wants to be human and what does Damon think is bound to happen if she does become human? She’ll stop loving him and choose Stefan because what is their whole relationship built on in Damon’s head? the sirebond. A BIG OL LIE. 👏👏
….now Damon’s decides to hide the cure from Elena and lied to her about it, knowing how much she wanted to be human again all because of that insecurity again and he doesn’t want to lose her to Stefan. Elena heard him out, he claims to suddenly want to be human with her. Elena is very skeptical about this given their already rocky relationship and gets Stefan to show him the hardships and hard truths. Then instead id have Damon see this and immediately backtrack. He doesn’t want to be a human, life seems bleak and depressing. Elenas disappointed and let down by him once again so she gets so mad with everything that is their relationship: wrong and unhealthy and destructive. She breaks it off with him. END OF DELENA.
I’d have Elena still take the cure and begin to get feelings for Stefan again, she sees what she’s missed out on through things that Caroline is now experiencing and that jealousy streak that she’s always had when it comes to Stefan is back.
Now because Nina’s not leaving the show in this version of the story, Elena won’t be in a coma forever. I’d probably get Bonnie to find a loophole and some spell revives her.
Now with Elena, throughout the beginning of season 7 I think she’d start focusing on what’s important to her - her town, her friends and family and finding herself again as a human. Shes feeling motivated to help restore the town to what it once was, she’s feeling refreshed UNTIL she sees Stefan and Caroline together. Shes finally realised that letting Stefan go was the biggest mistake she ever made.
I think Elena would fit into the s7 plot quite nicely, as a human I think she’d be a little bit of a burden because she’d need more of that protection but she has plenty of feats and backup that it would be all okay. I think Elena would see Damon as just a friend and that would drive him crazy. I’d probably have him act in the same way he does in s7 without Elena and learning to live without her, in some ways it’s worse because she’s not gone, shes just left his side.
vampire hunters…heretics…Caroline’s pregnancy and seeing how Stefan immediately goes into that role of being a father…finding out Stefan could’ve been a father to Valerie’s baby…etc…Stefan (and Damon) get stabbed by Reya. Elena finds this all super hard, she reverts back to wanting to take all of stefans pain away but she can’t - she feels helpless, she can’t be there for him in that way anymore now that’s Caroline’s job. Yearning and friction between them both, unspoken tensions…Caroline starts to get insecure about it (much like in the show but only it’s probably more hard hitting because Elenas not in a coma, she’s existing and she wants someone she can’t have. Steroline breaks down after Caroline’s priority is now her kids and she moves away and she’s avoiding him. Stefan and Elena get closer and closer, both feeling alone and in need of support. (Caroline has Alaric and Bonnie has Enzo) They lean on eachother and it’s nostalgic and it reminds them of how easy and how much more happier they were when they were together. They will always be secure and always be solid with eachother, they both know when things get hard they can go to the other. Then! maybe in a tension filled…sadness filled…emotional moment they nearly kiss.
In season 8, Damon and Enzo are Sybil’s little pets and so Both Stefan and Elena find this hard, I’d imagine Elena would be a target given Damons being controlled and manipulated by Sybil And Stefan would be overworking himself trying to bring his brother back. Caroline doesn’t know how to deal with that, she’s never been in a position where he really needs her support and help. This is where elena would help him mentally and Caroline notices this and she becomes more insecure about their relationship that had already been broken down the season prior due to Stefan not being safe for her kids. Caroline feels inferior to Elena, she feels she can’t get through to him etc. Stefan and Elena become closer, but feel guilty about nearly kissing which just makes staying away from eachother hard, stefans now realised that maybe he’s never gotten over elena and that he doesn’t want to. I think down the line, id have Stefan having doubts about his relationship with Caroline. Questioning if its strong enough and if his love for her overrides his eternal love for Elena.
Stefan sacrifices himself to the devil instead of Caroline’s kids because he’s a selflessly good guy who is perfect and Is the best. Stefan staying in mystic falls in this situation puts a toll on his relationship with Caroline and after his feelings for Elena rehash and come to the surface again, he starts to think things through and so therefore the proposal doesn’t go ahead he doesn’t wanna make things more complicated so eventually Stefan would tell Caroline everything, they decide they are better off as friends. END OF STEROLINE.
Stefan kills Enzo…Stefan becomes human…Then that’s when I think Stefan and Elena would slowly work up to becoming endgame. Both of them finally see a future, their dream of having a happy family, kids, being human and happy together. In saying that, I think instead Stefan would propose to Elena, even before they officially get back together again because I just think after all that history and all the love already there? there’s no point they may aswell just jump straight to marriage - in contrast to Elena relationship with Damon, she is sure about Stefan in a way she wasn’t about Damon. They knows they are better together, they make eachother better, it’s everything they’ve ever wanted.
In the last episode, it’s a stelena wedding. Everything plot wise still goes ahead but the only difference is Stefan doesn’t want to die because he feels suicidal or that he wants to die for his sins: “let me do this for me” - what Stefan says to Damon in 8x16. instead he wants to be selfless and die heroically for the town, (Elena obviously doesn’t want that to happen.) I’d imagine Stefan and Elena would have a heartfelt conversation but Elena would notice somethings off with Stefan, she’d put the pieces together and realise it was Stefans vague version of a goodbye. She’d confront him, she’s angry because she doesn’t want him to be the hero this time. She talks it through with him and he realises how much he values life and how much more value his life is now he’s with Elena again. They figure out a plan. the plot does it’s plotting…Damon ‘compels’ stefan…just as Damon’s about to become ashes, Stefan pushes him out the way and stabs Katherine…and just as hellfire comes around the corner, Elena pulls Stefan away so the only thing hellfire takes is Katherine. That way everyone is safe! Everyone is happy!
Then I think bonnie would eventually, maybe get with Damon?? And then Stelena endgame would be exactly like how they fantasised and hallucinated it would be like back in s5. :)
Tada! I hope you like my take on this, I know it’s long I’m sorry I got carried away LMAOO 🤣
I promise I'm not trying to come off as mean.
You said: "This book has explained the possibly of shifting and proved it to me. And the thought that there are so many other books out there that scientifically prove, explain and help us understand shifting realities proves to me that it must be real. and it is."
I just feel like relying on a middleman, who is not a physicist of any kind himself, to put together such evidence is not a very wise thing to do. He's literally just trying to sell you his books by telling you some very run of the mill, self help "you control your reality and the world around you" type stuff. It just feels like a random source of proof which was acquired through confirmation bias, if I'm being honest. What makes him qualified to put this book together? Why do you trust his research so much? That's, by the way, the scientific misinformation I was talking about. You presented his book as a reputable source. And I know, you said it was proof for you, fair enough, but that in and of itself isn't great either. I'm not an anti, so I'm not here trying to convince you that shifting isn't real, I just think it's really important to vet your sources better. That can bleed into other parts of your life and it can lead down dangerous ways of thinking. I'm not trying to sound like a bully, you seem like a lovely person. I'm just trying to get people to be much more critical of who they trust getting such profound and vast amount of information from.
And as a whole, be very, very weary of self help authors in general... truly, for your own good.
hey again, don’t worry I know you’re not asking out of malice!
The ask was originally about giving off the reasonings why I believe in shifting and what helped me think about it in a more ‘real’ sense and that’s what I thought I was doing.
I just wanna ask, have you read the book and do you know what’s in there orr?? Do you know of the evidence and scientific research that’s displayed in the book? you don’t have to be a scientist or physicist or anything else to do your own research I don’t think?? Kevin has many other books like this and I trust it because he has obviously (from reading it myself) done research on quantum jumping etc. ‘scientific misinformation’ is up for interpretation I think.
I presented Michels book as an interesting and insightful read. I didn’t say his book is 1000% trustworthy, I insinuated it gave me hope and understanding in shifting.
I really think you’re looking too deep into this and I know you only mean well but people who read what I write back to asks can take from it what they will, if they don’t agree with it, fine. If it’s helped them out then that’s good too! I’ve never said I’m an expert on topics like this and I’m sure people can gage that I’m not by my posts. I’m not fully interested in the science of it all but we’re I can help and what I do know about shifting, I’ll share. ❤️
"You say that the supernatural doesn’t exist (probably because you’ve no scientific evidence to support that) but on the other hand, there is also no reliable proof that the supernatural doesn’t exist."
That's a logical fallacy. The burden of proof isn't on someone to show that something doesn't exist, but rather the other way around. If someone doesn't believe in the supernatural because there is no scientific evidence for it, which you even correctly stated yourself, you can't say, "But you don't have proof that it doesn't exist!" That's a very silly thing to say, with all due respect. You are claiming these things to be real, so YOU have to be the one to show evidence for it. And this "Kevin L Michel" dude is a psychologist, not a quantum physicist, or a quantum anything. That's like taking medical advice from a geologist. I know you mean well, but this is all scientific misinformation.
Sincerely,
a shifter who believes in science.
hey! I just wanna start off my saying, not once in that post (I assume you’re referring to) did I say that Kevin was a ‘quantum physicist’ or ‘quantum anything’ i specifically said:
“I bought a book called: “Moving through Parallel Worlds to Achieve your Dreams” by Kevin L. Michel and it draws on research from quantum physics, psychology, biology and behavioural epigenetics”
as in the book…as in the book itself draws on research on those topics. everything I said there was stated on the blurb…the back of the book…the physical copy I have of it so I wouldn’t say I’m ’spreading misinformation’ thank you 🙏 I was just simply recommending a book that dives into both spiritual and scientific combined ways of thinking about shifting.
I get what you’re saying about the ‘burden of proof’ it’s kinda like someone saying “I can fly” and then expecting the other person to prove that they can’t. In my case, I was talking about the possibility of the existence of the supernatural. I think you may have (and at no fault of your own) got the wrong end of the stick here and misinterpreted what I was trying to say.
I was trying to encourage a different perspective to the default, scientific way of thinking rather than make a definitive claim on it. I wasn't trying to imply that the supernatural does exist, my intention was actually just to challenge the dismissal of the idea 🙈
so for example…Instead of just saying “it doesn't exist because there's no proof” I wanted to push the thought about how we can be so sure it doesn't exist. It's more about encouraging open-mindedness than making a claim considering the ask was literally about doing that…
I wasn’t trying to literally prove anything but thank you for the ask fellow shifter ❤️

