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I think the reason TGCF is such a tough read for me is that XL suffers such horrific trauma but everyone seems to dismiss it except the narration and HC.

The narration doesn't spare us anything - we get a first row seat to the fall of Xianle, the turn of public opinion against the Crown Prince, the life of XL as a refugee, the horrific experience of being stabbed alive by a hundred people and then gaslit into it being your own fault for advocating for them, the abandonment of his closest friends and family when he can't live up to what he once was, almost becoming a calamity, seeing the futility of revenge, being the state preceptor of the state that overthrew your own, taking up the burden of mass slaughter and being nailed alive into a coffin for it, going back to war for a country you have nothing to do with only to be trampled to death when you try to save some children from the battlefield and then the actual plot. Every one of these instances are described vividly and in detail by the narration. We don't get to shy away from it. XL's life was fucking hard and tragic and we hear all about it.

But no one seems to take it seriously. Not even XL himself. He does not like to dwell on the past - understandably so, it's painful to read how much worse must it be to remember. But everyone else too. I am re-reading vol. 1 now and when it's revealed that General Hua is XL and why he died no one offers any sympathy that it must have been hard to die this way or that he at least saved some children. MQ makes a derisive comment on how it's his own fault for charging out like that and how he never learns to not stick his nose in trouble and the conversation moves on. Only HC seems to see things from XL's perspective, mood noticably souring when he learns of XL's suffering.

And it goes like this everytime. Something of XL's horrific past is revealed, XL tries his level best to focus on something else, someone else makes a disparaging comment and the plot moves along. And as a reader I sit there, trying to grapple with the magnitude of suffering that I am witnessing yet again, on top of everything else I already learned about XL's past and no other character is joining me in that process and that makes TGCF really hard to read for me. It's a novel full with trauma but the continuous dismissal that other characters treat XL with who is an exceptionally kind and resilient person and absolutely will not dismiss other characters the same way makes it traumatic in its own way. XL is the center of the narration, the reason everything unfolds but no character seems to have much care for what happens to him as a person. He serves a function for most of the cast and outside for that he receives almost no regard - except for HC.

Without fail HC will be upset about what happened - even if he already knew of it. He is my - and XL's - saving grace in TGCF because finally someone validates the horrors. What happened to XL was horrific and that no one acknowledges that says a lot about the universe they live in and how little they deserve XL. No wonder XL fell quick and hard. I need HC too to get through.

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*bashes head into a wall* xie lian is not naive for trusting hua cheng. xie lian is not reckless for trusting hua cheng. xie lian is eight centuries old and has experienced just about everything. xie lian is used to himself and others dismissing his trauma, his suffering. it's only human to be drawn to someone when it feels like for the first time in your centuries old life span, someone is listening. someone that isnt patronizing him. someone isnt claiming all that he has stood for is wrong and foolish.

who's opinion is he supposed to value here? fxmq? or the heavens who've never agreed with his actions in the first place?

is he supposed to dismiss the sincerity and kindness he sees infront of him (an entire city built for beings considered outlaws, shunned by the world!) or hearsay?

and that's not even discussing how xie lian is able to let loose because he knows if things go south, he'll handle it. he's done it before.

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Things I either forgot or didn't notice on my first readthrough of TGCF volume 1 that I noticed on the re-read:

  • By the gods, this man does not want to be here. Xie Lian's first idea of how to get rid of his debt is something to the effect of, "Would you pay me to get banished again?" He considers scrap-collecting to be better than ascension. I can't fault him for thinking that either, because heaven sucks.
  • Every time this man talks in the communication array, it is profoundly awkward. Ling Wen straight-up tells him to stop info-dumping about random shit in there. (I fully believe this man has a touch of the 'tism, because that is a big fucking mood.)
  • I'm convinced Xie Lian figured out Nan Feng and Fu Yao by the end of the first mission, because damn, they are not subtle.
  • This makes it even funnier when they start fighting in the temple and he says that "your generals wouldn't behave like this". Xie Lian, my man, that's a blatant fucking lie. You grew up with these two idiots. You know this is exactly what they're like.
  • I forgot that Xie Lian tripping on his way out of the sedan is actually intentional. I had it in my head that it was just him and his chronic bad luck.
  • I cannot overstate just how much of a touch-starved gay disaster Xie Lian is. He meets Hua Cheng on Mount Yujun and thinks about how gentle and romantic this strange and obviously dangerous man is. He meets San Lang on the ox cart and is immediately blown away by how handsome he is – he compares his beauty to the fucking sun. He later gets distracted just from seeing the bottom half of Hua Cheng's face in the Sinner's Pit. He's just immediately smitten. What a dork (affectionate).
  • Nan Feng and Fu Yao's reactions to the state of Puqi Shrine are a lot more heartbreaking on a re-read. On the initial read, I thought they were just shocked that an Upper Court official would willingly live in such conditions. Now I know there's an element of self-blame (and in Mu Qing's case, a little bit of schadenfreude).
  • I love the foreshadowing of Fu Yao being confused that Xie Lian knows about Fangxin but not the Four Calamities. And Xie Lian lying his arse off about why he knows, because it's not like he can just say:
  • The narration keeps mentioning how long and slender Hua Cheng's legs are, so therefore I must ask: is Xie Lian a leg man? In this essay, I will-
  • Xie Lian thinking that, if he were the state preceptor of Banyue and therefore controlled the scorpion-snakes, he wouldn't have let Kemo and the others catch him. Sure, Fangxin. Sure you wouldn't.
  • "There's no banquet in the world that doesn't come to an end." Hua Cheng sure likes to quote Xie Lian's words back at him, huh?
  • They left Banyue out all night‽
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Xie Lian defending Hua Cheng's handwriting as if he wasn't the first one to judge it in the very second book like pick a side my guy.

Falling in love really does make you blind I suppose.

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The way Hua Cheng decided to have a fashion show in the middle of black water crisis makes it soo obvious that he doesn't give two fucks about anything and is solely dedicated to entertaining his gege and ofcourse amusing himself.

And the gege in question has become such a simp that he can't help looking back at his crush. Like oh damn. Who cares what's happening with Shi Quingxuan? Let's give a loud applause for Hua Cheng who looks so hot in this outfit. And this outfit and that outfit too.

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He Xuan knew what was he signing up for when he disguised as Ming Yi (Earth master) but never in his nightmares did he imagine that he'd have to play truth and dare AND WITNESS HUA CHENG BEING DISROBED BY XIE LIAN AND CHERRY ON THE CAKE IS HIS CRUSH SHI QINGXUAN DARING THEM.

YOU KNOW HE WANTED TO DIE ANOTHER DEATH RIGHT THEN AND THERE. And not to forget, Xie Lian's cooking. No wonder he went into isolation after getting vengeance because that guy needed time to process the horrors of the world he js experienced.

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That one time when Hua Cheng disgusied as Lang ying and Xie Lian instantly knew it was him because there was no second person who would put up with his cooking and so he decided to have a laugh is ONE OF THE TOP 10 heartwarming tgcf moments

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I wonder what was Jun Wu thinking when he gifted his sword (the one that reveals your true face) to xie lian

He must have hated the sword so much because everytime he looked at it, his past slapped him hard in the face and now I wonder if he resented Xie Lian as much to the point of gifting that sword.

Did he think, "XianLe will be the man who'll hate this sword as much as I do once he passes the tribulation I set up for him" Or

"XianLe how dare you mock me (jun wu took it personally when xie lian said "body in abyss, heart in paradise") I'll show the world that you are not the saint you pretend to be."

(Since Xie Lian would be the "white no face" if he passed jun wu's test, hiding behind a mask, his real face, the face of crown prince will actually become something he'd grow to hate and hence, his true face will be the one who did nothing for his kingdom.)

Or did Jun Wu really think, "I'm gonna gift this sword to my son, I'm sure he'll find it useful one way or the other."

And whatever the case might be, it is infact insane foreshadowing. Irony so dense you could carve it into a blade: The weapon meant to expose others ended up exposing him.

(But virginity detecting sword is so peak ngl)

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the way DGM tackles institutional abuse really gets me. innocence can only be used by people marked by hardship, who already have nowhere else to go, and the order has monopoly on innocence. (not only will it kill you if you betray it, not only will it hurt the entire time you're dying, it will take down innocent victims along with you). the main characters' boss may be a chill guy, but he has more powerful men above him who don't treat them as human beings. forming bonds in this place you're trapped in is the only way to keep you sane, but ultimately ends up keeping you hostage. now you're stuck in there together, and the one thing that can protect them is the same one that got you in this mess in the first place. welcome home

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everytime someone says the xianle war was needed to "humble" xie lian or that it was his "humbling" an angel looses its wings and the earth cries in despair

Ikr, it pisses me off because there was nothing about Xie Lian that needed to be humbled. He was not arrogant. He was merely confident about the fact that if he had resources, he'd do everything in his power to try saving the common people which he did. If he just boosted about it and sat on his throne while munching on grapes, only then would he need some humbling but that man asked for the help of heavenly officials, used the rain master hat, gave up his god hood, fought and lived among the people in despair. You know he was sincere to his words and that was his entire personality.

It was Jun Wu's ego that was hurt because he wanted to prove himself that anyone who thinks like this will end up with the same fate as him but Xie Lian didn't. It was Xie Lian who humbled Jun Wu.

Sit with that.

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WuLian is fun, because it's basically:

Wuming: "I hope this flower makes His Highness feel better. :3"

Calamity!Xie Lian: "He's mocking me. Every time he calls me 'Your Highness', it only reminds me of what a failure I am. He must desperately want revenge on Yong'an if he's willing to work with someone he resents so much. He's dead and I envy him for it. I hate him, I hate him so much, I hope he doesn't leave me like everyone else did."

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What must've happened when Jun Wu sent Earth master, (Demon He Xuan) to spy on Hua Cheng not knowing he is the spy of Hua Cheng.

Hc: So Jun wu sent you.

Hx: .......

Hc: Dont do that. Dont look at me like you are going to kill yourself because of me.

Hx: They think you are spying on them.

Hc: I am spying on them.

Hx: Yes, through me and now they've sent me to spy on you.

Hc: Do they know you're you?

Hx: No

Hc: Do they know you are working for me?

Hx: Absolutely not.

Hc: Do they know how funny this is?

Hx: Fucking end my misery. I can't believe they sent me to you.

Hc: I can. They are stupid like that and now smirks Im gonna beat you up, earth master. How dare you spy on me and walk out untouched?

Hx: Crimson rain sought flower glares

Hc: Relax, Im capturing you. Very convincingly.

Hx: You are tying the rope too tight

Hc: For realism

Hx: You are enjoying this, aren't you?

Hc: Immensely.

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