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so, I got asked what’s the spymaster timeline argument and why do I argue about it so much and keep defending spymaster lol so I wrote a long ass thing that I want to share with you.

SO. there are different arguments for people I argue with

1. having the master back as evil ruins Missy’s arc and they hate him

2. having the master back as evil doesn’t make sense after missy but would make sense before missy

3. They just fucking hate him god knows why.

4. A mix of these

Now. I have strong opinions, and those strong opinions are that I don’t have a problem with dhawan master at all. I think he simply fits in after missy in the most normal way possible. I never saw a problem with it and I find it confusing that people do. Cause?? Imagine dying, then regenerating and realising the doctor has left you alone, but fair, cause he didn’t know. So you go on gallifrey, hoping he shows up. While you’re there you start hacking into the matrix for fun, cause you’re the master and you like having a bit of fun. You discover horrible things. The doctor is not who they think they are, the time lords are not what you thought they were and all of your species including yourself is a product of the doctor’s DNA.

This places the doctor as some kind of god. The origin of the time lords. They weren’t time lords before the doctor, just gallifreyans, with no real power or anything to make them important. He’s simultaneously angry at the time lords for lying about their identity, and at the doctor for being the most important time lord of them all, for being THE time lord, the original. Ultimately, for being more than him.

Now. The master has a certainty during the entirety of the show. The doctor is his equal, they have opposite moralities, but they’re equals. Now, the security in this statement he believed in all his life shatters. They’re not equals. He is who he is only because of the doctor. Thinking back to missy, she was the regeneration that absolutely wanted the doctor to see her as equal as well. She wanted to be like the doctor cause she missed him, and felt like he was the only one like her. So she tried to be like him, she accepted to be imprisoned in a vault and basically be changed to have the same beliefs of the doctor. But she did it willingly. Cause she wanted them to be the same. Now this entire arc feels wrong to the master (dhawan) , cause now he knows he could never be like the doctor, how could he? The doctor is much more. He thinks missy was his biggest mistake, he humiliated himself to be something he could never be. He gets out of the matrix and throws a tantrum, killing everyone on the planet for having lied to him (and to the doctor). When he sees the doctor again he hates her. He hates her cause she’s just there, being her usual self, while in reality she has a bigger role in everything than she could ever think. He hates her cause a part of her is in him, and that means he’s less. He’s lesser than her. I also remember one scene where he was like “did I ever apologise for that?” (basically killing the doctor making them fall on the ground and regenerate, lmao) And she was like “no” and him “good”. I think about it often in relation to missy, cause he was definitely saying it because of her. Why any other master should have apologised for something? Only missy was apologising for stuff she did. It might be a big reach but I like to think it’s about her. And he’s like “good” cause he regrets being missy and trying to redeem himself, like I said before. Anyway the follow up from here is simple, he hates her and stuff, but he also feels bad not letting her know why. So then he decides to show her her story, all he can. No one should live without knowing their origins. so he shows her, and then he says he would like to show her more, but there’s nothing else to show. It’s the only moment in which he’s doing something kind for her. Cause I believe in some way, he’s also mad at the time lords for lying to the doctor. And here’s part of why he decides to use their dead bodies in such an unworthy way. They have to pay not only with their life but also with their dignity, so he turns them into cybermasters.

This is also a way to cope and create his own race, to feel a little more on the doctor’s level. She created the time lords, he destroyed them and created another species with their bodies. Then it’s not enough and he decides that the only way to be equals is to become her. At this point he’s gone completely insane, like, we see that. But it’s totally understandable for him to act that way. His whole worldview changes. Everything he believed in is not true anymore. He doesn’t know who he is anymore (I also just thought about this identity crisis he was having and how he stole Rasputin’s identity, but this is an analysis for another day).

Anyway this got off topic cause I had to explain only the missy/dhawan thing but then started talking about dhawan in general so forgive me lol.

Other than this, if we take big finish in consideration there’s the lumiat, that comes between missy and dhawan and her story really helps some people accepting the change (for some people it’s still not enough though) and in the 2021 annual is confirmed that dhawan comes after missy, as we have the doctor and the master talking about the master’s story from delegado to dhawan and thirteen says “I quite liked you as missy” and he replies that she spent too much time with him and it’s something that should never happen again.

anyway. I’ve made my point on why the missy -> spymaster regeneration simply makes sense. It’s just a normal timeline, I don’t know why people think it doesn’t work.

update to this post; in the audio “self-help”, the master mentions stabbing himself in the back just when he thought he finally knew who he was. Referring to simm master stabbing missy, of course. giving us another confirmation of his position after missy in the timeline.

goldenzingy46

goldenzingy46:

i think about the simm!master a lot for someone who’s not a huge fan of him (insofar as i can be not a fan of any version of the master) but because i think it would be fascinating to drop him in with an injured, hurt, or dying version of the doctor. because i have literally no idea how he’d react. would he continue his mad laughter and humiliation of him? or would he be gentle?

I’ve thought about this and I think he would actually help the doctor but humiliating him in the meantime. He would make it very evident that the doctor needs him to survive and would enjoy that he’s the only chance for the doctor’s survival. He would taunt the doctor about it and would be threatening him to let him die but he would find satisfying to be the only one who can actually save him.

anonymousdandelion

anonymousdandelion:

The thing that keeps getting me about the original Master (Delgado) is how his downfall keeps being his trust. He holds the Doctor and his friends captive and forces him to help out with scientific work… and it never once occurs to him that maybe, just maybe, the Doctor could be sabotaging the work. He collaborates with alien forces to destroy humanity… and is shocked, every time, when his allies eventually turn on him.

It’s just such an incredibly fascinating fatal flaw for a supervillain who himself lies at every turn. He’s so naive. He seems to think himself superior enough that surely no one except himself would ever be capable of deception or betrayal.

goldenzingy46

goldenzingy46:

goldenzingy46:

you guys will never guess what i’m thinking about again.

the thing about this is that the master starts first with commands threats but then….. he says what he would want to hear. doctor! he cries out–if the doctor had been in his situation and said master! that’s exactly what he would’ve wanted to hear. help me! the pleading. i’ll give you anything in creation. offering him anything–wearing desperation like a second skin. please! now we’re talking. you can’t tell me this isn’t exactly what the master would want to hear. and then, finally, when commands and threats and pleading hasn’t helped, the master goes to invoke the word that binds them–won’t you show mercy to your own–?

but it’s too late. because what the doctor wanted to hear wasn’t what the master thought.

because, well.

"I'll be good. I promise." - a screenshot from Doctor Who's s10 Extremis, showing Missy's execution.ALT

i’ll be good. i promise. i’ll turn–i’ll turn good. please. teach me, teach me how to be–good.

goodoldfashionedlunatic

goodoldfashionedlunatic:

Hey, Academy Era and Gallifrey fans, I have a question.

So I’m running into that issue where all fantasy animals I make end up being dogs, cats, horses or lizards reskinned, so I’m wondering if there are any animals mentioned to exist on Gallifrey in either version of the show or the EU.

Thank you!!

Tagging some mutuals I think might be able to help: @leelarots @clowns0cks @shalkapilled

I know about cats, they mention them pretty frequently, each president has a gallifreyan cat. I also know they have mices because of the Rani’s experiment giant mice eating the presidential cat. The cats were originally from gallifrey and could communicate with their owners. I don’t know much about other creatures sadly. But I think you wouldn’t be incorrect to remake existent animals differently, after all gallifreyans are very similar to humans, besides the two hearts (and I repeat gallifreyans, not time lords). So I guess most animals living on gallifrey could very probably be similar to earth ones

how-masterful

how-masterful:

We really were robbed of the performance of a lifetime from sacha dhawan where he wakes up in missys clothes post regeneration

In my mind I put the lumiat between them because I really like her but THE IMPACT of missy-spy is so delicious so sometimes I do ignore her existence. I’ve thought about spy in Missy’s clothes so much it’s concerning….. waking up from his regeneration and getting rid of ANYTHING that resembles missy immediately. Dressing in something else and changing his whole appearance as soon as he can cause he can’t bare to remember who he was. UGHHHHH. also this fanart changed my brain forever everyone says thank you terry

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