ramb is probably the kind of guy who doesnt really cry all that much because he feels stupid when he does and/or doesnt feel like he deserves to

Hey Ramb heads, can we have this be defernull Ramb's general mood.

The Deltarune fandom watching in abject horror as the game ends with Kris processing their trauma and accepting the soul, a mere representation of their cognitive dissonance, as a true part of their identity (a decade has been wasted making player slander content when we could've been discussing Kris's character complexities).

Can I please stop seeing "Kris 'playing' with Ramb means they were electrocuting themself" takes. Please

You know maybe Mike got kidnapped like Ramb seemingly does in the Sword Route

Tenna: thinks Mike is still around and just distanced himself following what happened with Spamton

Spamton: thinks Mike left of his own volition following what happened

Mike:

Ramb's habit of peppering in self-deprecating remarks is one of my favorite traits of his I think because it's the kind of thing that bugs me so bad IRL

Top traits to give a character

really one of my favorite types of characters in the world it seems is. well i dont know how else to describe it but "losing the idgaf war" but theres at least 2 genres of this that ive noticed I Gotta Make an Image hold on

its like this. even better when a character has the range to be both

ive never watched Evangelion

(original scene)

If you don't accept that you're obsolete, nothing you do will help.

YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS MY FAULT?! I'M MAKING MYSELF FAIL??

Yes. The lightners have their own lives.

That doesn't mean I can't make them better.

Then you haven't realized yet.

HA! now I know somethings up when the lightner expert starts talking to me.

...

What's up?! Are you happy that i can't make them stay now?! Well DON'T WORRY, because when the Knight gets here, it will make it so we won't need them- we darkners won't have to fight to not be thrown away anymore-

we won't need those pathetic lightners-

...

I thought it was bad when the others tried to reason with me, but when an emotionless egotistical dog like you starts being sympathetic, I'm DOOMED.

I'm not a dog.

YOU ARE!! YOU DO ANYTHING YOU'RE ORDERED TO DON'T YOU?! YOU'D KILL YOURSELF IF KRIS TOLD YOU TO WOULDN'T YOU?!

Of course.

URGH-

(slap)

THEN YOU ARE A DOG, JUST LIKE I THOUGHT-

YOU'RE AN UNTHINKING EMOTIONLESS PUPPET I HATE YOU-

(sob)

I HATE YOU - ! I HATE EVERYONE !!

(Sobbing continues)

URGH -

just ate a bowl of fruitberries... or were they berryfruits...? ah, it doesn't matter, in the end. we're all as good as dead anyway... wouldn't you agree? [creepy laugh]

When someone else likes freedom but they're so crazy about it that you lowkey don't want to agree

i started thinking about the parallels between the secret bosses (+ramb) and the fun gang and. well. you know what happens when i think.

ramble continuation under the cut, a lot of talking about the parallels between Ralsei and Ramb (with pictures);

To be fair...

It's a lot easier to change your worldview, even on a subject like your own being...

...if you have people to encourage that change.

Ralsei got the chance. Even if he's still struggling with it, Ralsei was still allowing himself to at least have some fun every now and then. He has people like Susie to at least tell him he's worth something, contradicting his thought process.

Ramb didn't. If anything, he was just kicked down into a coffin, with TV World nailing it shut. The Pippins at least imply Ramb tried to fit in, even if it didn't work out. And if his treatment nowadays is any implication, it didn't get any better. So whatever encouragement he could've gotten from anybody was probably too little too late, or just drowned out by the negativity that made him feel alone, despite living in such a crowded place.

Reinforcement helps. Support helps. Tremendously.

So when the involvement is only given to one of two different, but similar people.

It's no surprise which one walks away as both a better person, and as more of a person, period.

That's true!

A lot of people are under the assumption that you can "think away" or walk off emotional damage but it's been proven that it's literally impossible to do that alone

(obviously I'm talking about real life humans here but like. The fiction of the dark worlds and the darkners is based on our world and our psychology), we're social animals, we depend on one another for support, we evolved like this and you can't break out of that by sheer force, no matter how strong you think you are, or how much you think you should be "above it"

I hope I didn't make it seem like I was blaming Ramb for his situation at the end there- that absolutely wasn't my intention, let me try to rephrase it;

Their two stories that branch off from the same line of thinking seem to show us what happens to that same lonely, self abandoning/self sacrificing/low self worth person with and without a support system

Ralsei has the support of Susie and Kris, when his thoughts of inferiority and this warped "purpose" come back to the surface (and he's vocal about it, that's important!!) Susie and Kris are right there beside him to remind him that none of that is true, that he's been stuck believing lies, that he's loved and cared for as he is right now and he deserves it.

He's starting to accept that support and it shows, he's more confident, more vocal when he's upset, he hides less and is starting to discover who he truly is. Thanks to both his friends and his courage to accept their love.

Ramb doesn't have a support system. He doesn't have any friends or even just colleagues who care enough about him to simply cry for him once he's gone. He didn't have anyone to shut down his beliefs about himself and his worth, he didn't have anyone that would see his qualities and reassure him that he matters as he is, whether inanimate object or darkner, that his feelings are valid and real.

He didn't have anyone that could jump start his journey to live for himself, so he remains as he always was, a self minimizing, self abandoning stone statue, which turned more literal when he met his end.