they should invent an online ftm space that doesnt have this weird childish victim complex rivalry with transgender women
this post has gotten a lot of attention and, unsurprisingly, its bringing in guys who are misinterpreting what i’ve said. i’m going to try and explain in a bit more specific detail. i’m not a political scientist nor am i particularly well spoken, so cut me some slack.
“why are you barging into trans men’s spaces to bully them?”
i’m a trans man. i’m not anywhere i’m not already welcome.
“why are trans women allowed to have their own specific term for their oppression, but trans men aren’t?”
in greater society, men are viewed as the default while women are viewed as the other. women are subjugated under a patriarchal society. this is the foundational concept of feminism, that women deserve equal treatment as men. society also views cis as the default and trans as the other.
trans women’s experience differs from trans men in that they experience intersecting oppression, both as trans people and as women. the term “transmisogyny” was coined to describe exactly this.
trans men experience gender based oppression on the basis of being trans. the term to describe the oppression of trans men is transphobia. “transphobia toward trans men,” if you want to really be specific. there is no way to create a word for that without directly implying cis men also face gender based oppression.
“i can’t believe you’d say trans men aren’t oppressed.”
this is not what i said.
like i said, i’m a trans man. i grew up ostracized as a teenager for expressing gender in a way that wasn’t “normal.” i’ve had family members tell me, to my face, that they’d be happy if republican politicians stripped away my right to hormones and surgery. i’ve been denied jobs after telling hiring managers i am trans. i understand this intimately, i’ve dealt with it my entire life.
this is a semantics issue. guys are ascribing trans men’s oppression to the term “transmisandry.” and then, when people say transmisandry doesn’t exist, that gets interpreted as “trans men do not face oppression” rather than the actual, intended point of “misandry does not exist because men are not oppressed on the basis of being men. therefore, trans men’s oppression is based on being TRANS, not as men.”
“trans men experience misogyny since they’re afab. shouldn’t they be allowed to use the term transmisogyny to describe that?”
trans men should be included in things like abortion rights and discussions of menstruation. we agree on that.
i’ll try to draw a parallel. a common form of gay male homophobia is to say things like “anal sex is unnatural. men aren’t supposed to have sex with each other because they both have penises.” but some trans women have penises and have anal sex. should straight trans women be use the term homophobia to describe disdain towards the type of sex they have? the answer to that is: sort of.
misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, intersexism, and so on all exist in this big, ugly, interconnected ball. they all stem from the same idea: there is an ideal standard that all men and women should adhere to. any deviation from this norm should be met with social stigma and violence.
this is why the mainstream terf movement is closely tied pro-lifers and right wing pundits. when you define womanhood with a set of strict, natal rules, you also attract the type of asshole who is against women’s liberation, against queer liberation, against intersex visibility.
anyways. another semantics issue. transmisogyny does not just means “transphobia + misogyny.” it is specific to trans womanhood, which is why trans men should avoid using the term to describe their experiences.
“but cis men do experience gender based oppression! what about gender non-conforming men?”
see my above point regarding misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, and intersexism all being connected. if a man is experiencing oppression, its likely tied to one of these.
“you sound like a terf, op.”
i am saying trans women experience misogyny because they are in the social class of women. this is the opposite of what terfs believe.
“we should kill op with hammers because he uses reddit.”
update from the discord group courtesy of one of my mutuals;
do not trust that damned survey. change your discord password. utilize 2FA.
I use 2FA on every website I log into, and it didn’t ask for any details when I took the survey, but I still don’t trust that thing at all. One can never be too safe.
to be clear, the one that is a scam is the one that asks for your Discord login information. there is a legitimate one that does not ask for ANY information and that one is a legitimate qualtrics survey from Discord. make sure you always check sites and links before you click on them fellas!
The legit survey has been closed down as of yesterday.
The phishing scam is taking advantage of the high emotions about AI, but if anything online asks for your login info (that is not on the actual verified website that belongs to that login that you navigated to yourself (not a link from an email or post!)), that is a huge sign to STOP.
they should invent an online ftm space that doesnt have this weird childish victim complex rivalry with transgender women
this post has gotten a lot of attention and, unsurprisingly, its bringing in guys who are misinterpreting what i’ve said. i’m going to try and explain in a bit more specific detail. i’m not a political scientist nor am i particularly well spoken, so cut me some slack.
“why are you barging into trans men’s spaces to bully them?”
i’m a trans man. i’m not anywhere i’m not already welcome.
“why are trans women allowed to have their own specific term for their oppression, but trans men aren’t?”
in greater society, men are viewed as the default while women are viewed as the other. women are subjugated under a patriarchal society. this is the foundational concept of feminism, that women deserve equal treatment as men. society also views cis as the default and trans as the other.
trans women’s experience differs from trans men in that they experience intersecting oppression, both as trans people and as women. the term “transmisogyny” was coined to describe exactly this.
trans men experience gender based oppression on the basis of being trans. the term to describe the oppression of trans men is transphobia. “transphobia toward trans men,” if you want to really be specific. there is no way to create a word for that without directly implying cis men also face gender based oppression.
“i can’t believe you’d say trans men aren’t oppressed.”
this is not what i said.
like i said, i’m a trans man. i grew up ostracized as a teenager for expressing gender in a way that wasn’t “normal.” i’ve had family members tell me, to my face, that they’d be happy if republican politicians stripped away my right to hormones and surgery. i’ve been denied jobs after telling hiring managers i am trans. i understand this intimately, i’ve dealt with it my entire life.
this is a semantics issue. guys are ascribing trans men’s oppression to the term “transmisandry.” and then, when people say transmisandry doesn’t exist, that gets interpreted as “trans men do not face oppression” rather than the actual, intended point of “misandry does not exist because men are not oppressed on the basis of being men. therefore, trans men’s oppression is based on being TRANS, not as men.”
“trans men experience misogyny since they’re afab. shouldn’t they be allowed to use the term transmisogyny to describe that?”
trans men should be included in things like abortion rights and discussions of menstruation. we agree on that.
i’ll try to draw a parallel. a common form of gay male homophobia is to say things like “anal sex is unnatural. men aren’t supposed to have sex with each other because they both have penises.” but some trans women have penises and have anal sex. should straight trans women be use the term homophobia to describe disdain towards the type of sex they have? the answer to that is: sort of.
misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, intersexism, and so on all exist in this big, ugly, interconnected ball. they all stem from the same idea: there is an ideal standard that all men and women should adhere to. any deviation from this norm should be met with social stigma and violence.
this is why the mainstream terf movement is closely tied pro-lifers and right wing pundits. when you define womanhood with a set of strict, natal rules, you also attract the type of asshole who is against women’s liberation, against queer liberation, against intersex visibility.
anyways. another semantics issue. transmisogyny does not just means “transphobia + misogyny.” it is specific to trans womanhood, which is why trans men should avoid using the term to describe their experiences.
“but cis men do experience gender based oppression! what about gender non-conforming men?”
see my above point regarding misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, and intersexism all being connected. if a man is experiencing oppression, its likely tied to one of these.
“you sound like a terf, op.”
i am saying trans women experience misogyny because they are in the social class of women. this is the opposite of what terfs believe.
“we should kill op with hammers because he uses reddit.”
this is so funny bc on the one hand what the fuck are we doing tumblr. like you cannot be serious you’re censoring entirely sfw concepts bc sometimes people ALSO involve it in fetish stuff? but on the other hand. i was in fact searching it in hopes of finding porn so you do have me there technically i can’t lie
I just can’t believe some of u are soooo young u didn’t experience the early 2000s at all like even briefly . U were born and ur mother door dashed you home from the hospital
actually i was in the NICU for a couple weeks after being pieced together by surgeons but whatever lmao
That’s because she used klarna. To pay through 4 easy installments with no interest
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