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earlier this week Twitter user ppuccin0 tweeted about a fashion article that advised against tops with large floral patterns, saying the wearer was in danger of looking like a "ロマンティックおばさん," or a "romantic auntie." the tweet went viral with many agreeing that a "romantic auntie" sounded like a very nice thing to aspire to be, and some even posted illustrations or photos tagged with the trend

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illustration by Toyota Yuu (author of Cherry Magic)

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illustration by 141shkw/Sora Midori (author of Beautiful Curse)

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photos by Takinami Yukari (author of Motokare Mania and Watashi-tachi wa Mutsuu Ren'ai ga Shitai or "We Want A Painless Romance")

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illustration by m:m (mangaka of Matataki no End Roll)

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illustration by ooinuai (mangaka of Onikui Kitan)

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illustration by ma2 (mangaka of The Reason We Fall In Love)

BONUS:

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Twitter user WomeGa55 drew some art of “Romance Auntie x Combat Auntie”

hpdshiver's avatar hpdshiver

so has any human being who isn’t an MRA or a troll or a terf in disguise actually used the term ‘cotton ceiling’ or

I’m an MRA and I’ve never heard that term before. What is it supposed to mean?

hpdshiver's avatar hpdshiver

it means nobody likes you go away

Gonna assume it’s not something I’d ever say then.

Cotton ceiling is the tendency of trans women to be excluded from the higher echelons of (cis-dominated) women’s and queer spaces — specifically within the porn industry, but also society in general. It is a manifestation of transmisogyny at the intersection of cissexism, misogyny, and the glass ceiling

I mean I don’t use it, and I don’t really understand it etymologically, and I think it’s couched in a lot of fancy language which means a lot less than it says, but… I don’t see what’s wrong with it, either…

You don’t see what’s wrong with women’s underwear being called a barrier to be broken through?

hpdshiver's avatar hpdshiver

the underwear being referred to ISNT the cis women’s; it’s the trans woman’s (or fat, disabled, nonwhite, etc. woman- the cotton ceiling often refers to radicalized bodies in general). the implication is that what is in the trans woman’s pants is excluding her from spaces and connections, and it’s something she needs to overcome. transphobes twisted the language the other way to demonize trans women.

appropriately-inappropriate's avatar appropriately-inappropriate

Dude, I was around for the Cotton Ceiling Conference.

Like, literally irl around. It was hosted nearby, even, and I spoke with Morgan Page, one of the people presenting it.

It distinctly referred to the underwear of lesbians who refused to find trans women sexually attractive.

But hey, don’t take my word for it! Let’s hear from Avory Faucette, a trans activist involved with the Cotton Ceiling:

[T]he cotton ceiling [is] us[ed] to challenge cis lesbians’ tendency to support trans causes generally but draw the line at sleeping with trans women or including trans lesbians in their sexual communities.

Drew Deveaux, the originator of the term, is even more specific:

“The cotton ceiling is a theory proposed [by trans porn star and activist Drew DeVeaux] to explain the experiences queer trans women have with simultaneous social inclusion and sexual exclusion within the broader queer women’s communities. Basically, it means that cis queer women will be friends with us and talk day and night about trans rights and ending transmisogyny, but will still not consider us viable sexual partners.

The term cotton ceiling is a reference to the “glass ceiling” that second wave feminist identified in the workforce, wherein women could only advance so high in the workforce but could not break through into positions of power and authority. The cotton represents underwear, signifying sex.”

So right there from the horses’ mouth–

The cotton ceiling represents underwear, signifying sex, and the underwear in question refers specifically to lesbians’

Please, don’t try to retcon history to someone who watched it go down.

They are trying to backtrack and rewrite their own disgusting misogynist terms to make them more palatable to the masses. Nope. The cotton ceiling is most definitely rape culture rhetoric. Anyone who says otherwise is flat out lying because they know how disgusting it makes them look.

translesbophobia's avatar translesbophobia

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“Sexual exclusion”. What a rape-y thing to call women’s natural boundaries.

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^ From the horses mouth (again)

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^ “Breaking sexual barriers” (implying that the “cotton” part of “cotton ceiling” = women’s underwear to be “broken” through, as one would wish to “break” through a glass ceiling)

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^ Even from a pro-trans perspective this sounds entitled and rape-y as shit!!


More examples here and receipts of trans people using the term unironically here.

quetzalcoatl-privileged's avatar quetzalcoatl-privileged

lmao look at them trying to redefine the word

auntiewanda's avatar auntiewanda

Of course they are. They got called out for what it is and now it has to be the terf’s fault somehow. 

The fact most radfem posts have comments turned off is proof that they are scared of criticism

It's actually because we're threatened and insulted constantly, but good try babe! <3

The reason anti-radfem posts like this one get picked up by a horde of bots is that you otherwise have no appearance of knowledge or credibility <3

123235785898313578973-deactivat's avatar 123235785898313578973-deactivat

lmao at these posts going around like “:( what happened to feminism guys?” on the same website that spent the past 6-7 years constructing blocklists of feminists, making it impossible to show any form of female solidarity lest you be accused of being the worst person on earth, propagating a misinformation campaign that would make MRAs blush, and justifying sending death and rape threats to lesbians. All the fEmiNisTs wItH tEeTh are still here fighting for you, you just have them all blocked because you ate up the 21st century equivalent of anti-suffragette propaganda about how mean evil and ugly they all are. glad you finally noticed the backlash period you helped facilitate though! it’s never too late to stop being utterly spineless

The argument, however niche (it’s very niche) appearing for the first time in human history that people can and should be attracted to one another regardless of biological sex is a direct result of kids forming friendships, relationships, and entire communities and social circles with people they’ve never met online, resulting in a whole group of kids who think of people as disembodied concepts and selfies and personal posts. In this essay, I will-

bodenor's avatar bodenor

OP please keep writing

Okay, uhh…uhh…hmmm, outline, outline, outline…

  • The rise of internet activism/”slacktivism” 
  • The demographic of tumblr being largely the socially outcast and/or maladjusted and younger people/teenagers
    • the effect this has on their irl sexual activity or lack thereof, and confusing, fluid sexual desires
  • The normalization via various hook-up, dating, camming, etc. sites of becoming attracted to people via the internet
  • INHERENT DIFFERENCES IN FINDING SOMEONE ATTRACTIVE ONLINE AND ACTUALLY MEETING THEM
  • Sex in theory vs. sexual reality
  • How many young people don’t understand that how someone presents online is often not an accurate portrayal, physically or emotionally, of who they are
  • “Trans women are women/Trans men are men”: a brief history of how attempts to ease dysphoria have turned over time into making it deliberately difficult to separate trans people from the gender they identify as
    • The unfortunate implications this has on consent
  • Tying it all together: Confused young people, who are often isolated from their peers and trying on genders and sexualities like new styles as they grapple with their identity and puberty, are finding themselves attracted to carefully created and maintained online personas. These kids then, with the best of intentions, read about the struggle for trans acceptance and, failing to understand the multi-faceted nuances of real physical sex with someone, create rhetoric based around the validation of someone’s gender identity through sexual contact without understanding the gravity of what they’re suggesting

Watching cis people saying that gender affirming care is a bad thing makes me want to roll my eyes into the back of my head like do they really not think it's possible for cis people to get gender affirming care 😭

i loooove telling them their bleached roots and boob jobs and hair transplants are all gender affirming care and watching them choke on their tongues like i just put a curse on them

altering your natural bodies to fit stereotypes of any gender is negative and indicative of patriarchical gender roles influencing your relationship with your bodies. Doesn’t matter if you’re doing this to fit the gender you were “assigned at birth” or not.

Gender affirming care for trans identifying individuals and “cis” women getting plastic surgery to look more feminine are indeed two sides of the same coin. A patriarchal coin that we can choose to do away with instead of clinging onto for dear life.

bleeegggggghhhh shut the fuck up, radfem 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

This is what thought-stopping looks like in case anyone was wondering.

The trans community is giving easy ammunition to anyone who wants to strip abortion access to women. Because our enemies are right about one thing, how can anyone expect us to say something is safe for women if we can't define what a woman is.

This should be an no brainer question to answer.

Everyone should research the Asch Conformity Experiment

people have this tendency to believe that fandom discourse exists because people in fandoms are Stupid Nerdy Losers, but in fact fandom discourse exists because anytime you get a group of more than 100 people together, they will start creating interpersonal bullshit. fandom is not special in this regard

There is sports discourse. There is yarn discourse. There is food discourse. There is academic discourse (dear sweet god is there academic discourse). If there are people out there collecting brass buttons specifically from 1921, they are going to have discourse about which buttons are trash and whether Person A cheated person B. To be human is to engage in pointless wankery sometimes.