ONCE MORE, INTO THE BREACH!! *laughs* It occurs to me that it's been a jot since Sanita gave me our biggest news ever and thus I've been a bit... pre-occupied... *head tilts* Hey, cut me some slack... so here, my lovely Luciferian lotus
Sanita_Squirrel ...damn, I love you woman... can help me get back in the swing with a little bit of PRIDE.
As PRIDE is all about being unashamed of what you are, unafraid and unbent, un-BROKEN... and you don't stop beingyou for the other eleven months of the year... it's always PRIDE MONTH around here! So here it is, PRIDE MONTH en Septiembre, muchachos and oh it's going to get a tat shirty in here...
One of the strangest, most mind-boggling things to me is that whenever someone discusses the notion of LGBTQ folk and parenting. Some of the, being blunt about it here, most stupid things get said. "They can't be good parents!" ""What kind of environment is that to raise a child in?!" *clasps her hands together in faux-pearl-clutching alarm* "Oh my lawty-lawt, won't somebody think about the chillin'?!"
Well... *huffs, smiling in a rictus glare* Lately ...I AM thinking about the children. I'm thinking about our child. I'm thinking about the neighbors child. I'm thinking about any child and every child. I'm thinking that anyone who would teach their child, their innocent, un-knowing, trusting little baby, their own fucking child that they deserve to suffer eternally in torment and pain and anguish simply for the act of loving another human being really isn't someone I would ever look to for advice on much of anything, least of all what constitutes good parenting and a loving family structure.
I'm also thinking woe be to the son-of-a-bitch who tries to tell our little boy such. *snofts*
I'm thinking that in thirty-one states it's legal to discriminate against a child for them having come out of the closet, to deny them opportunities in education, to evict their family from their home, force them into an abusive "therapy" camp to torture them, terminate their parents from employment and deny the child, an innocent child potentially life-saving medical care... all in the name of "preserving the religious freedom" of one particularly foul sub-sect of one group of religious people.
And I'm thinking that that business has got to stop.
THAT is madness.
Bottom line, lovely watchers is thus- The only "difficulties" a LGBTQ child or the child of LGBTQ parent(s) ever has to face is that which is forced upon them by the bigoted jerks who were feigning concern about it in the first place. Leave the little gay kids alone. They're FINE. Their parent(s) are FINE. Everybody is FINE.
LOVE is LOVE and LOVE is ALL good. There's no "straight" love or "gay" love, there's only LOVE. *raises a single digit* ONE love- for us all to share and enjoy, to nurture and treasure, *raises both arms* make it grow until it's big enough to cover the entire world, filling our hearts to the bursting until we're all laughing and dancing and singing about unicorns and rainbows and stuff, hugging puppies and hugging each other and we'll all love each other so much that no one will ever be able to hurt another human being ever again for the rest of time, no matter what color they are, what language they speak or who they fall in love with. And I will be damned if our son is ever taught that there is anything less for him in this world. Love yourselves, you beautiful bastards and love each other. Ave Satanas.
Sanita_Squirrel ...damn, I love you woman... can help me get back in the swing with a little bit of PRIDE.As PRIDE is all about being unashamed of what you are, unafraid and unbent, un-BROKEN... and you don't stop beingyou for the other eleven months of the year... it's always PRIDE MONTH around here! So here it is, PRIDE MONTH en Septiembre, muchachos and oh it's going to get a tat shirty in here...
One of the strangest, most mind-boggling things to me is that whenever someone discusses the notion of LGBTQ folk and parenting. Some of the, being blunt about it here, most stupid things get said. "They can't be good parents!" ""What kind of environment is that to raise a child in?!" *clasps her hands together in faux-pearl-clutching alarm* "Oh my lawty-lawt, won't somebody think about the chillin'?!"
Well... *huffs, smiling in a rictus glare* Lately ...I AM thinking about the children. I'm thinking about our child. I'm thinking about the neighbors child. I'm thinking about any child and every child. I'm thinking that anyone who would teach their child, their innocent, un-knowing, trusting little baby, their own fucking child that they deserve to suffer eternally in torment and pain and anguish simply for the act of loving another human being really isn't someone I would ever look to for advice on much of anything, least of all what constitutes good parenting and a loving family structure.
I'm also thinking woe be to the son-of-a-bitch who tries to tell our little boy such. *snofts*
I'm thinking that in thirty-one states it's legal to discriminate against a child for them having come out of the closet, to deny them opportunities in education, to evict their family from their home, force them into an abusive "therapy" camp to torture them, terminate their parents from employment and deny the child, an innocent child potentially life-saving medical care... all in the name of "preserving the religious freedom" of one particularly foul sub-sect of one group of religious people.
And I'm thinking that that business has got to stop.
THAT is madness.
Bottom line, lovely watchers is thus- The only "difficulties" a LGBTQ child or the child of LGBTQ parent(s) ever has to face is that which is forced upon them by the bigoted jerks who were feigning concern about it in the first place. Leave the little gay kids alone. They're FINE. Their parent(s) are FINE. Everybody is FINE.
LOVE is LOVE and LOVE is ALL good. There's no "straight" love or "gay" love, there's only LOVE. *raises a single digit* ONE love- for us all to share and enjoy, to nurture and treasure, *raises both arms* make it grow until it's big enough to cover the entire world, filling our hearts to the bursting until we're all laughing and dancing and singing about unicorns and rainbows and stuff, hugging puppies and hugging each other and we'll all love each other so much that no one will ever be able to hurt another human being ever again for the rest of time, no matter what color they are, what language they speak or who they fall in love with. And I will be damned if our son is ever taught that there is anything less for him in this world. Love yourselves, you beautiful bastards and love each other. Ave Satanas.
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So sick of that argument "what if the kids are bullied?". Then it's the other parents responsibility to teach their child the bullying and bigotry are morally reprehensible. if people, say that I basically hear "I'm not saying it's wrong for you to be you, I just don't think people shouldn't be held accountable for harassing you"
Truth! Reminds me a teensy bit of:
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I've lived most of my life in Rural Kentucky and something surprising happened a bit ago.
A while back I got a chainmail pride wristband off Etsy and started wearing it to my old job at a local gas station chain... and out of all the comments I got only one person was nasty about it, every single other one either was supportive or just thought the idea of chainmail was neat.
This is in Northern Kentucky, a part of the country that's more Catholic than Ireland back in the 1940s. I can walk ten miles in any direction and go past at least a dozen buildings with Saint in the name.
Funny ol' world sometimes.
A while back I got a chainmail pride wristband off Etsy and started wearing it to my old job at a local gas station chain... and out of all the comments I got only one person was nasty about it, every single other one either was supportive or just thought the idea of chainmail was neat.
This is in Northern Kentucky, a part of the country that's more Catholic than Ireland back in the 1940s. I can walk ten miles in any direction and go past at least a dozen buildings with Saint in the name.
Funny ol' world sometimes.
Well said.
This is the kind of thoughts that really kicked the whole issue over for me. Trying to explain to the kids "This kind of love is ok", "This kind of love is bad". Children don't understand that, at least, not easily.
They're actually, hypersensitive about issues of trust and friendship. They're not sexualizing anything, there's no sexual gaze to be blindsided by a pretty gal or guy. They're assessing who is loyal, who is trustworthy, who cares about you. They're more worried about someone they thought they could trust yelling at them right now than some abstract concept in a book which they can't read anyway.
This is, if you could only remember the way you used to think when you were very young. Few seem to.
This is the kind of thoughts that really kicked the whole issue over for me. Trying to explain to the kids "This kind of love is ok", "This kind of love is bad". Children don't understand that, at least, not easily.
They're actually, hypersensitive about issues of trust and friendship. They're not sexualizing anything, there's no sexual gaze to be blindsided by a pretty gal or guy. They're assessing who is loyal, who is trustworthy, who cares about you. They're more worried about someone they thought they could trust yelling at them right now than some abstract concept in a book which they can't read anyway.
This is, if you could only remember the way you used to think when you were very young. Few seem to.
Thanks, darlin. I find no end of irritation in people treating their children like some clone of themselves or some vain opportunity to live vicariously through their achievements. They have to acknowledge that they just produce a whole entirely different person, and that "they're gonna be THIS way!" mentality often hurts more than helps.
You are insulting donkeys by comparing them to those stupid ass extremist religious nutjobs! You should be ashamed of yourself! Think of the donkeys! Always compared to stupid people! Poor donkeys! Love the donkeys! Hug a donkey! You should apologize to all the donkeys!
Honestly I agree with this comic entirely... though I would likely be far less polite to the bible bashers. 'HELL' is a concept used to bully people into a certain mindset or morality. Hell is a thing you create for yourself or others create for you. It isn't something that exists in another life, it is a reality of the here and now, in this life. Showing love, no matter how it is shown, is a true virtue that people forget about because of their own selfish desires or beliefs, for their own desires to say what is RIGHT and WRONG... to have the power to shape other people's fates and lives.
Children especially, deserve that right to have their own lives and fates be in their hands, with people who actively want to help them and love them no matter what choices they decide to make. People who can't understand that should just leave them alone and live their own lives.
Children especially, deserve that right to have their own lives and fates be in their hands, with people who actively want to help them and love them no matter what choices they decide to make. People who can't understand that should just leave them alone and live their own lives.
Im not sure of your wording so I apologize if I misunderstand the Query, but I'll answer as best I understand, love.
As TST, Sanita and I both fall under Atheistic Satanism. The idea of "going to Hell" is a vulgar fiction to both of us, a moral fable often used to brow-beat the gullible, mentally\emotionally compromised or otherwise vulnerable into a state of control-hence christianity tends to lambast children with its rhetoric, before they're capable of mounting an intellectual defense against it. Teaching children that "they're going to Hell" for anything is pretty horrible to both of us. The idea of teaching them to fear "Hell" for simply being in love is appalling to me on a level I'd describe as gut-churning.
As far as "saying things are evil" goes, "Evil" not being "the opposite of good" but a deliberate and willful harm caused to a party without reason, neither I nor any other Temple Satanist I know of, has any issue with calling-out and pushing back against "evil". Many claim the tenant of "the struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit which should prevail over the law and institutions" as a functional mandate in this respect. Again, abusing children or taking advantage of another in this respect violates the concept of another tenant, that "...to willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forego your own" and must be addressed.
As TST, Sanita and I both fall under Atheistic Satanism. The idea of "going to Hell" is a vulgar fiction to both of us, a moral fable often used to brow-beat the gullible, mentally\emotionally compromised or otherwise vulnerable into a state of control-hence christianity tends to lambast children with its rhetoric, before they're capable of mounting an intellectual defense against it. Teaching children that "they're going to Hell" for anything is pretty horrible to both of us. The idea of teaching them to fear "Hell" for simply being in love is appalling to me on a level I'd describe as gut-churning.
As far as "saying things are evil" goes, "Evil" not being "the opposite of good" but a deliberate and willful harm caused to a party without reason, neither I nor any other Temple Satanist I know of, has any issue with calling-out and pushing back against "evil". Many claim the tenant of "the struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit which should prevail over the law and institutions" as a functional mandate in this respect. Again, abusing children or taking advantage of another in this respect violates the concept of another tenant, that "...to willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forego your own" and must be addressed.
Huh, "Atheistic Satanist" is a new one to me sis, heh. Though the idea of needing it to be addressed, is it really worth it? I mean yes there are a hand full, like quite literally a miniscule amount of Christians that still have this mentality (whom are usually older). Though honestly, look at the world around us today. We usually grow out & away from the idea of Christianity let alone religion. Which in a way leads us into more damaging ideas in most ways sadly (MAPS, revenge, envy, extreme hatred, etc.). As humans especially from our tween years, we are evil by nature, but that's a whole other topic for another day.
Now, I'm not saying that teaching kids that hell is a dimension they will go for being an evil individual is exactly good for them, but it helps with most of their moralities (that of which I believe we're falling away from). I'm Wiccan so my beliefs are way different from our cousins. As for teaching kids about sex is not ideal either. As adults in today's society, most don't clearly understand it themselves. With all of these new genders & sexualities popping up every other week. They shouldn't even know about these things & just be kids & just LLG (Live, Learn, Grow). Especially since it's a thing no one of today can explain with logic, with this being a complex topic to very malleable minds.
"Love" (I will admit that I don't believe) or really sex should be the last thing on their minds, let alone their "relationships" to be taken seriously. Being that they're just kids & have no comprehension of what they're doing, besides imitating what they see (home, media, or what have you). To wrap up all of my rambling, because it's just a insane rabbit hole, lol. Yes hardcore bible thumping Christians can be very toxic but the same does apply to those that promote the opposite. Just let kids be kids without promoting everything to them besides, "Live & let live" & listen to your elders. No need for sexual, gender, or any major forms of indoctrination. So all in all cute comic & interesting topic, but it always throws me off. So discussing it helps get a better understanding among interesting & fascinating individuals such as yourself sis.
Now, I'm not saying that teaching kids that hell is a dimension they will go for being an evil individual is exactly good for them, but it helps with most of their moralities (that of which I believe we're falling away from). I'm Wiccan so my beliefs are way different from our cousins. As for teaching kids about sex is not ideal either. As adults in today's society, most don't clearly understand it themselves. With all of these new genders & sexualities popping up every other week. They shouldn't even know about these things & just be kids & just LLG (Live, Learn, Grow). Especially since it's a thing no one of today can explain with logic, with this being a complex topic to very malleable minds.
"Love" (I will admit that I don't believe) or really sex should be the last thing on their minds, let alone their "relationships" to be taken seriously. Being that they're just kids & have no comprehension of what they're doing, besides imitating what they see (home, media, or what have you). To wrap up all of my rambling, because it's just a insane rabbit hole, lol. Yes hardcore bible thumping Christians can be very toxic but the same does apply to those that promote the opposite. Just let kids be kids without promoting everything to them besides, "Live & let live" & listen to your elders. No need for sexual, gender, or any major forms of indoctrination. So all in all cute comic & interesting topic, but it always throws me off. So discussing it helps get a better understanding among interesting & fascinating individuals such as yourself sis.
As far as Satanism goes, if you'd like to learn more of the matter as pertains to any branch, Atheistic\theistic, Laveyan, Luciferian, C.O.S. etc. Id be gkad to discuss such with you. As I'm sure would my wife.
It's a common misconception that Satanists "worship" or even believe in the existence of "the devil". While some theistics do, the majority of Satanic faiths and groups do not. For example here, The Satanic Temple does not.
If you'd be more comfortable with simple reference materials I could provide you with a general primer of both Satanic thought and the different worldviews which comprise the various groups.
It's a common misconception that Satanists "worship" or even believe in the existence of "the devil". While some theistics do, the majority of Satanic faiths and groups do not. For example here, The Satanic Temple does not.
If you'd be more comfortable with simple reference materials I could provide you with a general primer of both Satanic thought and the different worldviews which comprise the various groups.
If it weren't legal to discriminate against LGBTQ persons (up to and including witholding life-saving medical care) based solely upon "strongly held beliefs" in thirty-one states I might think anything you just stated had some validity besides a lukewarm attempt at centrist glad-handing, hon. Most religions are a part of this societal opportunity but Christianity alone is a big business in America with over 1.1 trillion dollars pulled in profit last year, of which a sizable amount has been put in place to do exactly as pictured here or to further the culture of sex-shaming and the empowerment of ignorance prevalent in much of our society.
I'm not sure where "children thinking about sex" came into the picture. At no point were the children in this comic sexualized. However, to address your point, As much as any parent may be nervous about the notion, children will have emotional and/or physical interest in their pre-teen years, many as young as six or seven will notice a "crush". The entire point of this comics was the horrifying act of teaching children to apply morality inherit to the act based upon blatant untruth.
Personal codes of ethics based upon the faery-tales of judeo-christian religion are not morality at all, only a form of subservience to a tyrannical authority figure, fear and control. To teach a child such a thing is repugnant abuse of their budding understanding of themselves and the world around them. Child abuse is never acceptable.
Children should be given the capacity to discover much of the world at their own pace, Agreed. That was the entire point of the comic as presented. Forcing a set of farcical coding, cartoonish fables and life-shackling shame upon the innocent is an abominable act I will never excuse or forgive.
There are not "A handful" of bible-thumpers harming children across the planet. There are literally billions, many of whom have the backing financially to be extremely harmful to the advancement of the species. In the united states alone, just the members of one "prosperity gospel" church, of which there are hundreds, can number as high as several thousand, each one a drop of poison in the course of countless lives, spreading guilt, fear and self-loathing with their every empowerment both in local circles and the political theatre.
The indoctrination effect is debilitating in incalculable ways, but it is not comparable to the freedom of genuine knowledge based upon empirical evidence. These things are not equivalent in worth, scope or potential for altruistic benefit to society and the individual.
One child harmed by teaching them to hate anyone or anything on the basis of lies, fear and stone-aged superstition is too many.
I'm not sure where "children thinking about sex" came into the picture. At no point were the children in this comic sexualized. However, to address your point, As much as any parent may be nervous about the notion, children will have emotional and/or physical interest in their pre-teen years, many as young as six or seven will notice a "crush". The entire point of this comics was the horrifying act of teaching children to apply morality inherit to the act based upon blatant untruth.
Personal codes of ethics based upon the faery-tales of judeo-christian religion are not morality at all, only a form of subservience to a tyrannical authority figure, fear and control. To teach a child such a thing is repugnant abuse of their budding understanding of themselves and the world around them. Child abuse is never acceptable.
Children should be given the capacity to discover much of the world at their own pace, Agreed. That was the entire point of the comic as presented. Forcing a set of farcical coding, cartoonish fables and life-shackling shame upon the innocent is an abominable act I will never excuse or forgive.
There are not "A handful" of bible-thumpers harming children across the planet. There are literally billions, many of whom have the backing financially to be extremely harmful to the advancement of the species. In the united states alone, just the members of one "prosperity gospel" church, of which there are hundreds, can number as high as several thousand, each one a drop of poison in the course of countless lives, spreading guilt, fear and self-loathing with their every empowerment both in local circles and the political theatre.
The indoctrination effect is debilitating in incalculable ways, but it is not comparable to the freedom of genuine knowledge based upon empirical evidence. These things are not equivalent in worth, scope or potential for altruistic benefit to society and the individual.
One child harmed by teaching them to hate anyone or anything on the basis of lies, fear and stone-aged superstition is too many.
I can definitely agree that the prime Christian ideals are very harmful especially when it's based off hate. Though when it comes to shame we need it. Otherwise only the Gods know what can partake in such "freedom". Big Mouth's episode "Smooch or Share" gives example how shame can help, as sad as that may be. From the chaos that ran throughout the end of the episode.
We as people are evil by nature & we need balance to keep everything afloat. Though I'm very sure the base that Christians (unlike West baptist) aren't really that heavily involved. Though fear helps us see what's right & wrong, for if we just went off of what made us feel good then we wouldn't have jails/prisons to separate us from the evil & anarchy that we hold in our hearts & minds. As for being discriminated against for sexuality leads me to say, people shouldn't know about unless they're our doctors & some family. That's our own personal lives that no one should no because we're not banging the world, you know?
But "children thinking about sex" is basically just what it boils down to. That's really what it's all about, because no one really knows what love really is. People say "I'm so in love" then break up 2 weeks or years later. It's mostly all about sex from the long short of it. I can understand if you may not think that, but that's technically what it really all about once you really sit down & think about it. Sad to say but just look at what pride festivals are like now (I've only been twice & it was a little extra being in Ga). Men & women walking around damn near nude, showing no shame, performing questionable content for eyes way too young & malleable for minds that just pick up what we say is good & ok. Just nonstop lust & vanity (again not a Christian just believe in multiple practices), without a care in the world letting out the lustful anarchy that lives in us.
As for the Satanic stuff, nah I'm good love lol. I've already been possessed twice & the dark arts are something I rather not get mixed in with, bad mojo. I did do some research awhile back though & a lot of satanists say the same thing. They don't believe but they believe in the ideas... A little much for me though. I'll stick to white magic & my Gods though thank lol.
We as people are evil by nature & we need balance to keep everything afloat. Though I'm very sure the base that Christians (unlike West baptist) aren't really that heavily involved. Though fear helps us see what's right & wrong, for if we just went off of what made us feel good then we wouldn't have jails/prisons to separate us from the evil & anarchy that we hold in our hearts & minds. As for being discriminated against for sexuality leads me to say, people shouldn't know about unless they're our doctors & some family. That's our own personal lives that no one should no because we're not banging the world, you know?
But "children thinking about sex" is basically just what it boils down to. That's really what it's all about, because no one really knows what love really is. People say "I'm so in love" then break up 2 weeks or years later. It's mostly all about sex from the long short of it. I can understand if you may not think that, but that's technically what it really all about once you really sit down & think about it. Sad to say but just look at what pride festivals are like now (I've only been twice & it was a little extra being in Ga). Men & women walking around damn near nude, showing no shame, performing questionable content for eyes way too young & malleable for minds that just pick up what we say is good & ok. Just nonstop lust & vanity (again not a Christian just believe in multiple practices), without a care in the world letting out the lustful anarchy that lives in us.
As for the Satanic stuff, nah I'm good love lol. I've already been possessed twice & the dark arts are something I rather not get mixed in with, bad mojo. I did do some research awhile back though & a lot of satanists say the same thing. They don't believe but they believe in the ideas... A little much for me though. I'll stick to white magic & my Gods though thank lol.
also I forgot to add this- a lot of Christians forget the phrase "love thy neighbor" (I don't think I spell that right lol) and "love the sinner, not the sin" & the God is love. So casting that idea & practice out the window is more then dangerous to not just the children, but everyone as a whole.
The "prime christian ideals" are as stated, farcical fairy tales with no basis in fact, any more than most of what you continue to say regarding "gods" or "magic" and are no basis for any genuine moral or ethical code.
"We" are not "evil by nature". Though it's been argued on a case-by-case basis, as a species we are born tabula rasa. If you wish to hold to such a baseless and negative view, that is up to you.
Morality based on fear of authority is not morality, it is subservience. Again, if you wish to delude yourself into such a mindset, that is again, up to you.
The remainder of your points, hon get a bit off topic and sound like you have some pet issues you wish to argue about. I have no interest in whatever you get down to at pride festivals, love. That's up to you and I leave you to enjoy it. This has nothing to do with the issue of you feeling you somehow have the right to determine whose love or attraction is valid and when. If you consider a child exploring the basic concepts of attraction or interest to automatically be equivalent to sexual exploration I would say you have a fairly unhealthy view of both sex and attraction. Nudity is not inherently sexual but if you wish to shame your child as such, it's your lot to traumatize them.
Either way, the entire point of this comic was that children should have the freedom to follow through on that attraction as they feel it naturally, in their own time and without shaming. Our son's sexuality is not being up to Sanita or I to determine the authenticity of nor to attach morality to.
If you wish to "love the sinner but not the sin" then feel free to shut your piehole when someone else chooses to "hate the belief" not the believer". I was a missionary in both Mexico and South Africa for several years, love. If you want to try to defend any part of scripture by cherry-picking which parts you feel support your current position, that is your time wasted.
If you have nothing else to add besides attempts at de-railing the conversation or self-important philosophizing which at the same time both decries and depends upon christian superstitious nonsense, please stop bothering people or at the least, go bother someone else- and try to maybe use a more consistent perspective because as is you're undermining your own argument.
"We" are not "evil by nature". Though it's been argued on a case-by-case basis, as a species we are born tabula rasa. If you wish to hold to such a baseless and negative view, that is up to you.
Morality based on fear of authority is not morality, it is subservience. Again, if you wish to delude yourself into such a mindset, that is again, up to you.
The remainder of your points, hon get a bit off topic and sound like you have some pet issues you wish to argue about. I have no interest in whatever you get down to at pride festivals, love. That's up to you and I leave you to enjoy it. This has nothing to do with the issue of you feeling you somehow have the right to determine whose love or attraction is valid and when. If you consider a child exploring the basic concepts of attraction or interest to automatically be equivalent to sexual exploration I would say you have a fairly unhealthy view of both sex and attraction. Nudity is not inherently sexual but if you wish to shame your child as such, it's your lot to traumatize them.
Either way, the entire point of this comic was that children should have the freedom to follow through on that attraction as they feel it naturally, in their own time and without shaming. Our son's sexuality is not being up to Sanita or I to determine the authenticity of nor to attach morality to.
If you wish to "love the sinner but not the sin" then feel free to shut your piehole when someone else chooses to "hate the belief" not the believer". I was a missionary in both Mexico and South Africa for several years, love. If you want to try to defend any part of scripture by cherry-picking which parts you feel support your current position, that is your time wasted.
If you have nothing else to add besides attempts at de-railing the conversation or self-important philosophizing which at the same time both decries and depends upon christian superstitious nonsense, please stop bothering people or at the least, go bother someone else- and try to maybe use a more consistent perspective because as is you're undermining your own argument.
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