Gerstein03

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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
thefoxfrompeds
tanely

Ok but the laugh Robby and Garcia give about ortho signifying coworkers who are constantly let down by the system in place. And new staff comes in and goes “why don’t we just…” as if that wasn’t your step 1 but it never happens so you just gotta work around it and you stop doing that step 1 cause it’s a waste of fucking time and makes you angrier.

gerstein03

“Dr Wishful Thinking” was ICONIC

tinwomanrunaway
thepitts

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- Your replacement came early.
- She's not my replacement.
She's just covering as chief while I go on my little sabbatical.

gerstein03

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To an extent yes this is out of line. Let’s take this step by step

She comes in early while Night shift is still on and immediately starts taking over. Like Robby said, this is incredibly disrespectful. She has just undermined the on shift attending to implement her new policies

She also implemented these changes without getting approval from either the night shift attending or the attending she will be shadowing. Again, this is incredibly disrespectful. She is not in charge of the ER. When she was supposed to come in, the person who was running the ER would be Dr Robby and the he would be in charge which means he would have the authority to shut her down and say they weren’t doing that. When she actually came in it was Dr Shen’s ER and the same applies. Implementing department wide changes like this without the permission of the person in charge is very disrespectful and undermines their authority. My guess is that she came in early so she could implement all her new shit before Robby got there so he couldn’t shut her down without undermining her when she’s about to be filling in for him

She also unilaterally decides to pull three med students, an intern, and a nurse away from their duties so she can take up one of the trauma bays, which are expected to be available for use at a moment’s notice, to run a practice code in an active ER. Putting aside the fact that while running a practice code is good learning the ER is not the place to do it, this is also incredibly disrespectful to both the shift attending AND the Charge Nurse. Golden rule of working in the Emergency Department: DO NOT PISS OFF THE CHARGE NURSE. Doctors may get all the glory in TV but nurses are the ones who do all the work in the ER and the Charge Nurse is as the name suggests the one in charge

As for the name thing, it is a bullshit corporate scapegoat for the real problems in the ER. They’re saying that the name has an effect on morale and patient satisfaction. It doesn’t. It’s a cutesy nickname to make light of how miserable ER work can be because they are underpaid overworked and see shit no human should ever have to see. The patient satisfaction is low because of the wait times, a problem that Baran’s patient passport thing is not going to fix. However this and her clashes with ER culture aren’t really her being out of line but rather her not understanding the culture of the ER. She has not learned what kind of environment she’s entering into and how her way of thinking is simply not suited to the environment. You can see it in the surgery scene where she and Robby watch them cut open the guy’s chest. She is shocked and taken aback by the brutality. For example everyone else including Robby this is par for the course

So to sum up, Baran being out of line really stems from undermining and disrespecting the Night Shift and Robby in implementing her program before Robby got there and in acting like she’s in charge of the ER while Night Shift is still there. I definitely think this was encouraged by Gloria to undermine Robby on his way out the door. To prop up the face of the new regime while Robby is still there to make it easier to push him out while he’s gone. But rest assured it is absolutely not out of concern for anything relating to his mental health. It’s because he won’t kiss the ring and bend the knee to the hospital bureaucrats who want him to play their game. They’re hoping to replace him with a board approved by the book rule following lapdog that will do what they want.

So to answer your question, my money is on plot thing. I don’t think it was done to show Baran is just as brash as Robby. I think this is going to have a lot of plot implications going forward and Baran is going to have a very rude awakening as to what she’s in for regarding the ER

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hollypunkers
hollypunkers

the pitt s2e1 so far is soooo very 7am everyone is hilarious and no one is listening. Also anytime new management walks into the place for the first time with a plan to fix ALL problems thanks to their New Simple Program they consulted no one about - it goes greatttttt 🚩🚩🚩 and obsessing over a pointless superficial detail so you can make a Name for yourself and get in corporates good graces 🚩🚩🚩 i dont trust you new doctor ive met you many times before

thefoxfrompeds
thefoxfrompeds

A very long analysis of Doctor Baran Al-Hashimi

(Thanks to my friend that beta read that)

First of all- this is not a bashing rant, this is a critical examination of Doctor Baran Al-Hashimi's first hour in the Pitt, the culture shock she experiences and the ways this shock sabotages her future work relations with Robby and the entire staff.

The main struggle Al-Hashimi faces is that she simply does not understands what it means to be an emergency department attending, and especially what it means to be the head of an emergency department of a level 1 trauma center, which I remind you, are between 220 to 255 of in the US.

Let's start with how she came in: She brought a bagel spread, which is a big win, and she showed up early to meet the night shift. But here is where she started to fail:

  • took things over immediately, ignoring the night shift attending and pissing off the charge nurse
  • implemented the patient passports, without warning nor preparations
  • Took over one of the 2 trauma rooms to have a mock trauma for the 3 med students and the intern.
  • Scolded the R2 on being behind on charting

all this 4 minutes into the episode. Now, I hope I do not have to explain why coming in and undermining the shift's attending is bad, and why making the charge nurse hate you is a cardinal sin.

now for the next 3 points, starting with the patient passports. the patient passports, while a noble idea and a great tool in certain environments, is just not a good idea for the ED environment. First problem is that it is extra work for everyone involved, from distributing to filling when you already have an overworked staff. Second problem is the privacy issues that can arise from not being able to properly dispose from those forms that have private medical information on it. there is a risk of a passport being misplaced by a patient going into crisis or being in a rush or by a care provider who has to step away urgently because of a trauma or some commotion, leaving this form full of private medical information in plain sight. Third problem is the cost, which with quick math by myself and some friends will cost about 73000$ per year, which is also the yearly salary of a nurse.

Implementing such a radical change to the procedures and policy with so little prep-time for it, on your first day in a new place, in the hours before the person you are here to replace shows up, is a sure way to make people dislike you. now, the clear context to that it that as a Clinical Informatics Expert she led a very successful quality improvement changes in the VA, a thing that probably made her the candidate both Gloria and the board chose to bring in. This change, including all the others she wants to bring are presume included in the packet that was sent to Robby, and were probably approved by Gloria. however, Robby did not read those in the time he did not have and did not respond. Al-Hashimi ignores that, and goes forward despite not getting a conformation from Robby, leaving the entire ED to be blindsided with her showing up and immediately implementing the patient passports. This is very much a hint that management hopes to replace Robby and are using his Sabbatical to try and bring someone they thing will solve all their problems. But, Al-Hashimi is not the head of the department, Robby is, she is only covering for him, and therefore her actions are a sign of huge disrespect in the leader the ED loves, trust and listen to. Combine this with the fact that the grace period before she starts acting as chief, it can defiantly cause tension with the staff.

in most places, there will be a grace period where the new hire will shadow someone of similar or the same rank, so the fact that this is her first shift, not the first shift as substitute chief, but at all, and instead of shadowing Robby she is jumping in is unconventional. instead of taking the time to learn the lay of the land, as getting familiar with the layout and procedures of the Pitt, she came in strong in a way that feels intrusive. I do not know if we will get the backstory of why Al-Hashimi and Robby never met before the shift, but I suspect that it was an intentional play from Gloria.

for the next point- the mock trauma. it might be a great way to test the med students, in a controlled environment, without putting real patients at risk, but this kind of teaching is to be done in clinical learning sessions, not during an actual shift in an actual active ED. Her preforming this little exam pulled 4 people away from caring for patients , occupied one of the two trauma rooms that can be needed in a moment's notice and have to be ready to be used just as fast and kept it from being usable in case of a multi-victim trauma, all while the waiting room is full. A waiting room that will get more busy as the day continues due to the July the 4th celebrations. Funny enough, that little exercise just helped to lengthen the wait time, which we all know is one of the major contributors to patient dissatisfaction. taking away the med students and the intern to do this mock trauma, means that everyone else has to pick up the slack of both her and the med students, rather than being able to rely on her to lead and them to help, which means more work for everyone else. And by starting this before night shift goes home, she initiated this while taking people away from the less-staffed shift, and undermined the shift's leading attending.

this leads to the next point- which was scolding Santos for being behind on her charting. Santos was not part of that mock trauma and had to pick up the workload and gets scolded for being late on charts. Meanwhile she had Javadi, the M4, fill in a mock chart, pulling her from doing charting for actual patients and dealing with the night shift hand offs. As much we can see, only Javadi got this task, and not the M3s who would benefit more from this kind of exercise.

all of those immediately marking her as disrespectful of the ED and their work, which is not a good start. looking at that, the rest of the episode and a bit of interviews, I have come to the conclusion that Doctor Al-Hashimi's biggest blind spot, and the thing that hinders her as a leader in the ED is that she simply does not understand what it means to run an emergency department, even less a level 1 trauma center.

Doctor Al-Hashimi ran a VA, which serves a very specific group- veterans and their families and works in a completely different way. A VA is a clinic, and while they do get walk in emergencies, as stated in episode, they do not get medic runs. While walk in trauma's are a thing and can be complex in their own right, Medic runs can and will be far more severe as the patients often cannot get anywhere by themselves. another major difference is that a VA is built for long tern care, that means patients that will return multiple times for regular care and only come in for a single, specific emergency. Therefore, cultivating a positive relationship that builds enduring trust encourages that patient to both keep returning and rate you well as a physician and medical center, is an important part of the service being offered.

while a long tern or a returning patient is part of the proper routine of the VA, an emergency room is a completely different beast. outside of the outlier of frequent flyers, Emergency rooms rarely see the same patient twice and ideally, EDs take care of the emergency so that the long term care could be moved to the proper specialties for the long time care. this makes patient ratings less critical for the ED, as recommendion from a former patient to someone else needing the ED's services can bring new patients, they are not as important as they are in the VA setting or clinic settings in general. Often an ED is not picked out due to recommendations online but to factors like proximity and availability on relative short notice.

While the VA do have a residency program, PTMC is a teaching hospital, which is a different kind of team management and teaching methods. The VA is much more controlled environment than the ED. They are more likely to have rooms to practice clinical learning on dummies with simulated demos. The VA still handles traumas, but this is still worlds apart Lvl 1 Trauma Center.

The final difference I want to point is the culture. Emergency medicine is full of dark humor, banter and a type of flexibility around the rules, a culture that developed both as a cooping mechanism and as a clash between the pristine protocols and the messiness of life. while this kind of humor is welcomed as a healthy cooping mechanism in the ED, for a VA doctor this kind of attitude is reasonable from the patients, but showing this can be a sign of a bad or negative mentality which would negatively influence the emotional state of the patient and the staff.

this gap in understanding can be shown in the trauma scene. First I will offer you a breakdown of all the moments Dr. Al was out of sync of visibly out of place, with a more complete analyses afterwards.

  1. by the time Al-Hashimi finished to properly gown, Robby was gowned and helped move the patient from the gurney. Al-Hashimi is helped in gowning herself by Ogilvey (the MS3), while Robby and Gargia both gowned themselves with no help and get into it. As well, they both came into the room gloved, while Al-Hashimi did not glove herself up. in the continuance of the scene we will see that she calls for sterile gloves, delegating the fetching of the gloves to someone else.
  2. While Al-Hashimi is polite, Robby, Garcia and Whitaker immediately starts with the banter, that to the outsider can be seen as insults.
  3. "what's your plan, Samira" vs. "Dr. Mohan, next steps?" outside of the comedic factor, you can already see an immediate difference, with Al-Hashimi taking the softer more intimate route with calling Samira by name and asking her for her plan, while Robby takes the professional route, addressing doctor Mohan and letting her determine what will happen.
  4. While not physically active in the care given to the patient, Robby is very much a part of the caring process, calling people in and out, giving them tasks and testing their competence and problem-solving skills, as well as their medical knowledge, but letting them act of their own volition from that moment on, content with staying on the sidelines and be guidance at a remove, unless his intervention is actually needed. Al-Hashimi is very obviously itching to join in and be a part of the process, to take it over and lead it herself, explaining by preforming the actions herself as a way to teach.
  5. "Okay, team, I think we need-" vs. "Samira, next steps" again, Al-Hashimi trying to take a more active leadership role, while Robby is giving Samira, the senior resident, the leadership role, working as a guide who gives her affirmations but no immediate answers.
  6. Robby asks Mohan and Garcia to identify the source, only for Al-Hashimi to give the answer instead of them, prompting him to correct her like he would have corrected Mohan if she gave the same answer.
  7. "you need better exposure" vs "convert to a clamshell" watching the time, Robby sees that there is no progress, so he moves things along by presenting the issue, hoping his residents will figure the solution by themselves. Al-Hashimi sees the problem and give them the answer prompting Robby once again to use the reaction he had ready for his residents on a fellow attending. This time Robby points it out "would've been nice to let them come up with that plan"
  8. when they snap the rib to massage the heart, Robby is unphased, while Al-Hashimi is agape, unused to the banality treatment of the extreme situation.
  9. "I can give it a try" again, Al-Hashimi wants to take an active role in saving that man's life while Robby holds her back, keeping her on the sidelines and letting Garcia and Mohan run the show.
  10. Robby contemplates a moment before offering a treatment plan, doing so only when he is sure non of the residents or Garcia will figure it out.
  11. When hearing the unorthodox and dangerous offer, Al-Hashimi immediately shoots it down and focus on the fact that statistically there is more chance to harm then good. Both undermining Robby and potentially causing Garcia to second guess herself in a way that is usually unproductive in a trauma room. as we know from season 1, the ED is where they try wacky dangerous and borderline insane stuff in hope to buy the patients enough time to be stabilized, with those things are done first discussed later. Now, it is important that she pushed back against this dangerous procedure, but it also serve as another sign of the cultural difference Al-Hashimi is ignoring.
  12. when they hold compressions to check the heart, Robby makes an observation and gives an explanation, but stops there, letting the team make the decision, not giving an order but giving confirmation and approval.
  13. 25 vs. 50 Joules- Al-Hashimi gives the textbook answer, Robby gives an answer based of prior experience.
  14. "That's what normal sinus looks like" this is very much my guts about the tone, but it sounds like Dr. Al-Hashimi is saying that to herself as much as she us explaining to the rest of the room. this is contrasted with Robby moments early stating that this is how V-fib looks like. Robby has the confidence of experience, Al-Hashimi does not.
  15. when taking off their gowns, Robby mentions that this is a "hell of a way to start the day" in a way that makes it clear that this is regular enough to not surprise him, but still a bit much for 7AM. Al-Hashimi answers this was "unconventional" clearly making that this is something she does not experience regularly.

now, what does all of that shows us? basically, that Al-Hashimi is not in sync with the rest of the ED. Robby has a very specific leadership and teaching style that focuses on guidance, while Al-Hashimi is very much a hands on teacher- she rather show people and be a part then stand back and let someone inexperienced call the shots. Both are valid educational approaches, defined by the environments they developed their teaching styles.


Robby is very much still responsible, but he is a guide from the sideline, which clashes with Al-Hashimi's instinct to join in and teach by doing. From the dialogue and the acting we know that this whole situation is not new to Robby, he is familiar with the outcome enough to stand back comfortably, intervening only when he feels that there is a need. Al-Hashimi very visibly lacks this pattern (and the specific experience), for her this trauma is an edge case that requires her to join and lead by doing. in season 1 we see Robby lead by doing, but he does so rarely, only when he feels that his active participation is needed, if because he cannot guide others from the side or that they need the extra set of hands.

this class is frustrating to doctor Al-Hashimi, who Robby talks to as if she was his resident and not an equal attending, and holding her back, in a way that can be interrupted as a lack of trust.


from the rest of the episode we can see that this leadership difference continues, Al-Hashimi continues to be a very active and involved teacher, providing answers, while Robby is very much a guide from the side line that prefers to let others reach the answer themselves.


another small example is the exchange with Santos- Robby stays mostly quiet, letting Santos give him the information and her suspicions, asking her for a plan and not giving it to her. Al-Hashimi came in with a question, ready to offer an answer. looking at Trinity we can see the way she defers to Robby, comfortable with his more hands off leadership approach, unsure of what to do with Al-Hashimi more involved approach.

I am not calling Baran Al-Hashimi a bad doctor or a bad teacher, this is a valid approach that can serve her well, but it is out of sync with the rhythm of the Pitt, and her insistence to stick to her own methods and not play by that tune imminently marks her as an outsider, for better or worse.

We do know from interviews that Al-Hashimi did some humanitarian work, and I am curious to what type, but even the most intense stint is a temporary one, in contrast to the never ending high and lows of an emergency department.

Now, the next part is almost entirely speculations based on interviews, the one episode we have and my own experience as a project manager and a regulator among other stuff.


I believe That Gloria and the board brought Al-Hashimi in hopes to use the sabbatical as a trial run so they could justify replacing Robby with Al-Hashimi. We know that the Pitt has under average satisfaction scores and is considered inefficient, with the board considering a management company, so it is not outside of reason that Gloria wanted Al-Hashimi to appease the board. Al-Hashimi showing up on Robby's last day is sketchy but we don't know enough at this moment.


Gloria probably gave Al-Hashimi an introduction to Robby, and a very biased one. I suspect that Al-Hashimi got the impression that Robby is a dinosaur, probably a misogynistic, apathetic asshole that will refuse any improvements to the department or technological advances due to his ego. She came in guns blazing, ready to fight the good fight for the sake of the emergency department, uniting the department with her innovations and technologies that improved the VA and earned her the favor of the board.


instead she got the sassy, petty cowboy, that is respected and loved by his department. She came in expecting to have him try and walk all over her, and she is struggling when the most he does is sass. she came in ready for a fight and does not know how to react when she those not get that fight, instead Robby treats her in a slightly amused unbothered resignation. not only that, the entirety of the staff is not immediately enthusiastic about her reforms, treating her with suspicions and even anger when she expected the open arms she got from Gloria.

TL DR- Doctor Al-Hashimi, despite being extremely qualified, a good physician and a innovator in incorporating new technologies came in to the Pitt under false perceptions of what she is coming into, making her act out of sync and butt head with Robby and the ED as a whole.

crowleying
crowleying

⚠️ THIS CONTAINS THE PITT S2 SPOILERS ⚠️

Just finished watching episode one and here are my thoughts and questions:

  • Why did they get an outsider to be chief attending instead of having one of the other attendings step up temporarily to cover Robby? Like I know nothing about how it works, so this is a genuine question. I just thought it would make more sense to have as a chief a person who already knows how things work in that specific er. Please, if you know how things work I would love to know!
  • so happy to see my bestie John Shen and my wife Parker Ellis. I still wish this season were about the night shift.
  • My queen Dana is back and she looks amazing! So well rested. Love to see it.
  • Great respect for Frank for coming back to work in the pitt on the day shift with Robby because I don't think I could have managed. Knowing Robby he's going to throw it in his face for the foreseeable future. Glad that no one else was weird about it though! Like they were all pretty happy to see him.
  • Garsantos going strong!!! Like they are an official thing now with toothbrushes at each other's places!!
  • Dennis being the new favourite son of Robby because he's the only male one now that Frank has fallen from grace
  • Doctor Al???? It's as if you called someone who's surname is O'Connor just O, or Van Dyke just Van. It's a bit weird.
  • Also I like Dr. Al-Hashimi's energy but I do think in general when you just got to a new place you should maybe wait a moment and try to understand how things work before you start making changes. Polar opposite to Robby, which isn't bad, but I do think she might need more flexibility to work in a er. I'm also just scared where they might want to go with that after what Noah said about Robby having a relationship.
  • Mel, baby I need to hug you + Trinity checking in on Mel in her own way
  • the new med students are obscured by the spotlight they decided to cast on Whitaker so can't really say much about them
  • Adopting Emma
  • Donnie new dad yay!!
  • love Trinity joining the Filipino gossip group.
  • I'm worried that Trinity will get stuck with all the (possible) child abuse cases because of her background since out of two we saw she got both (in the two seasons)
  • Cassie my dear hope you get laid soon
  • i really hope that with Samira having already worked with Baran she will get the chance to shine more than she did with Robby. Or rather. It's not that she didn't shine, she was brilliant, always will be, but Robby made it so hard for her and never noticed how brilliant she is, never really encouraged her apart from that half comment of i know you can do this but you need to do it to the standard i expect.
  • "Victoria is a big girl" you tell her Robby! + always love seeing Victoria stand up for herself!!!
  • Really interested in the storyline of the D/deaf patient
  • Hey Louie!

Possibly forgot something, might update later. Send me your thoughts and opinions

Adding:

  • When Samira's phone was continuously going off I genuinely thought and hoped it was her new friends/parner/fwb, even tinder. Give this girl a social life and therapy
  • RABBIT-BITCH
gerstein03

I can answer the first one. Because to the people who hired Baran this isn’t just getting someone to cover for Robby for a few months. It’s an opportunity to get rid of him permanently. They hired externally for someone to cover for Robby while he’s on his sabbatical because they wanted a board approved lapdog that would play their game that could potentially take over the ED. They might’ve even had her start on Robby’s last day so she could assert control over the ER and show the staff that she’s big dog now. Abbot and Shen are in all likelihood running things the same way Robby is which equates to low patient satisfaction scores, long ER wait times, and dangerous cowboy medicine that the pristine hospital bigwigs aren’t fans of. Since those hospital bigwigs don’t wanna suck it up, hire more people, and pay them what they’re worth, they take shortcuts such as hiring this one new doctor with a shiny New Pilot Program that’ll surely cut down on the ER wait times because it was successful in a completely different environment. Because at the end of the day these people will do everything they can to find a quick cheap and easy shortcut solution to the problem rather than face the fact that the only solution to these problems is more better paid staff

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cbartonscoffee
cbartonscoffee

"You guys and your jinxes" Shen, I'll have you known it's scientifically proven that those do work. You just cursed day shift. You're to blame for the entire season my dude, sorry not sorry.

gerstein03

I swear I wanted to ram my boot up his ass for that the. Jinxes are real it’s not superstitious. If you make a comment about how slow or quiet the day is and five minutes later your paramedic student will be going to a call for a guy who’s house is in a weird location with a wack ass condition that makes him think the world has been rotated 90 degrees. It’s me. I am paramedic student. I left that shift like an hour late

jinxes are real do not use the q word on shift I will kick you
paarthursass
puppygirllaika

Finally broke down and looked up "67" on wikipedia today, and i love that wikipedia had to include the fact that people are using the meme as evidence of "brain rot" in younger generations because of how low-effort it is. And like, i have no horse in this race, i'm clearly out of touch enough with what the kids are saying that i have to go look up memes on the internet to understand them, but brain rot? I'm pretty sure kids have been saying random numbers as memes since... like, the beginning of language. the beginning of numbers. I'm guessing that some time around 15,000 years ago in hunter-gatherer tribes all around the world a scene played out where one kid shouted "hey look, four rocks!" after seeing a few rocks on the ground, and every other kid in the tribe shouted "four rocks! four rocks!" and the adults just stood around like "what the fuck are the kids on about now?" and then had to live with the kids saying "four rocks!" every time they saw four of literally any object together. Like, this does not seem like a new phenomenon.

kneebie

You make a compelling point. Especially because "four rocks" IS hella fun to say. Thanks for the new way to confuse my friends when hiking!

puppygirllaika

four rocks!!!

dericbindel

four rocks!!!

gerstein03

Four rocks!