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no thoughts just will byers and nancy wheeler // 23 | desi | queer // occasional genshiner

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I have major problems with Stancy becoming canon. More so than any couple in the show because this is that ONE couple where we explicitly know one of them wants what the other doesn't.

I, personally, think it is irredeemable if your boyfriend slut-shames you just because you were with a male friend. I think it is crazy that Steve just let his friends write shit about Nancy without even talking things through with her first. But I have similar issues with Jon clicking weird, consent-less pictures of her. So that's not my main issue with Stancy. Because we HAVE been shown, at the very least, that Steve was regretful of that action and that he is a much nicer, kinder person now. But there's more.

The main issue with them is that Steve NEVER asks what Nancy wants. This is the start of their end in S2. Nancy wants to come clean with Barb's death. She wants to talk about it, she wants to digest and face her trauma of losing her best friend head on. But Steve doesn't understand that. He wants to party as a way of maintaining normalcy. But Nancy Wheeler has never been that girl. Barb thinks Nancy is acting weird when they go to Steve's place to party in S1. Nancy does NOT think partying, and essentially just burying her memories, will help her. Steve and Nancy not being on the same page about issues like this is what drives the two of them away, and it is what brings Nancy and Jon together because he UNDERSTANDS her.

But I would have still been okay with Stancy if not for that one dialogue in S4. Steve wants 6 little nuggets, and he wants Nancy Wheeler to be a part of it. Do you see a pattern? Again, Steve wants Steve wants Steve WANTS. What does Nancy Wheeler want? We KNOW she doesn't want to end up like her mum. That, that alone, makes it obvious that Nancy does NOT want the life Steve is thinking about. We KNOW she has dreams and aspirations of wanting to go to college and becoming a journalist.

No, I don’t hate Stancy because Steve is a misogynist. I do not think wanting 6 kids is misogyny. But it’s who he wants them with. It’s the assumption he has that Nancy Wheeler will just absolutely be okay with giving birth to 6 kids (or even adopting them before some dumbass tries to argue with that). It’s this assumption that gives me a bad taste in my mouth. Because it is a recurring pattern with Steve and Nancy. And it is especially important now because we, as the audience, know that Nancy does not want that.

I think there’s also deep societal problems with the way this love-triangle is being formed. Because, again, as made obvious in S1, Nancy does not want the life her mother has. Then, pray tell, why is she suddenly going to be okay with it from S5 onwards? Now, a woman CAN suddenly want kids in the future. Ofcourse, that’s her choice. But the message this sends is ridiculous, in this context of Nancy not wanting to end up like her mother. “Oh, look, Nancy Wheeler has matured quite a lot. She is leaving her childish rebellion behind. She is finally falling into her role as a member of this society.” THIS is the message it sends. And I don’t think we need that! Do not try to come here and argue that it is important that we see that it is okay to want something else in life before and something else later. We know that. Every woman fucking knows that. The world has pushed that down our throats enough. We have enough movies and dramas and songs and artwork about it. Every fucking woman knows it is okay to want kids, just look around you. Just look at the media you consume. Nancy Wheeler, as a strong female protagonist who has been shown to despise the life of a housewife and mother, should absolutely NOT be shown to fall for the same societal pressure of wanting children.

And yes, you CAN still have a career even after having kids. But let’s not act as if becoming a mother doesn’t suddenly take away career growth and opportunities from you. She wants to be a journalist, for crying out loud! Journalists travel all around the world, they go into difficult situations. You know DAMN well people trying to hire Nancy will talk about how difficult it will be to be a journalist while still caring for her SIX kids. And it won’t matter what Nancy says, she will always be seen as a liability and she will be the first one cut off, ALWAYS.

I have seen this pattern innumerable times in my country. I have seen how women are expected to “grow up” when they reach adulthood and I know how having a family is a checklist item every “respectable woman” should have. I am a woman myself. I have faced these expectations head on. I have argued with my own family about women not having kids being okay. Characters like Nancy Wheeler are important representation. Changing a crucial part of her character just so she can be together with Steve is ABSOLUTELY horrendous writing.

I don’t give a fuck about how cute they are together. I don’t give a fuck about how much they care for each other. They can do all that and more while still remaining friends. Stancy breaks down all of Nancy Wheeler’s character. And Stancy constantly reminds us why Steve hasn’t changed either, he’s still that self-assuming prick from S1. Stancy is not good for either of the two parties involved and I hope they won’t be together in S5.

Unfortunately, I fear that the more I hear the creators and the cast talk about Stranger Things, the more I hate it. I believe if I am to have any positive feelings about this franchise at all, I need to stop interacting with the fandom and the material the show officials put out from here on out. And a good time away from it all. The show, at the end of the day, did nothing ground breaking in terms of ANYTHING and despite how much I love certain characters, I refuse to support people who (ill intentions or not) have made a mockery of queer people and women and their trauma.

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That sketch mocking Heated Rivalry it was totally intentional, the only queer show that right now is being positively received and being mainstreaming they are reducing it to a show about two dudes having sex and just done to please woman and to mock shippers, is like when the Barbie movie was mocked by a presenter in an award ceremony (the Oscar or the golden globes) saying that it was about a doll having bubbies that's nasty they are erasing all the deep representation and meaning of the show. They do not give a fuck about queer people.

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this is the only post in the tag that i’ll make on this and unfortunately it won’t reach everyone, but this really needs to be said:

• the snl skits weren’t funny and they were tacky and offensive. bottom line. that is a fact. i don’t care.

• “snl is like this” which is why people with morals don’t watch it. people were willing to give finn a chance and look where that got us.

• “finn isn’t homophobic/he loves noah/etc.” finn wolfhard is a Grown Ass Man who had Every Right and opportunity to turn down skits, sketches, etc. He didn’t. That is a CHOICE. if the world gets to come at noah for a shitty situation HE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO MAKE UP FOR/GROW FROM, people who didnt like the tasteless skits have every right to criticize Finn. Stop infantilizing Finn because you have a crush on him. death threats are never okay but quit getting pissed at people calling out your faves. wow.

• people accepting these skits as gay representation is why queer communities will always be a laughing stock. “haha gay people are kissing! that’s funny! finn’s a bottom hahahaha funny!!! haha will said he likes d!! that’s FUNNY!!” how can you not be upset by this. How.

• i fear we are not woke enough anymore and if you continue to accept content like this… its only a matter of time before you start really feeling that hate and those “jokes” irl. Media Influences Reality. will and noah are, once again, the butt of the joke. Gay people are the butt of the joke. Women are. Why is that okay to you? Why is this acceptable to you?

Idk. I guess you can like the skits if you want, but don’t whine and cry and complain if we never get true, genuine, respectful representation in mainstream media because you guys are willing to accept shit from a butt.

“I would forgive the Duffer brothers if they ____” hmmm well maybe you shouldn’t bc they literally wrote a brown woman into the script just to kill her off and racially stereotyped a black female character and said no one cares/needs to worry about her. They wrote NO queer endgame couples in 2026. Broke up the only lesbians offscreen. Idgaf even if Conformitygate were real, these aren’t forgivable, especially without any acknowledgment of wrongdoing or apology. I mean the fucker brothers so clearly dgaf about any of the damage they’ve caused. They deserve NOTHING. No empathy from me.

they made will and el have almost the same experiences, switched their roles, gave them the same romantic interest, even cast actors two years younger than the other kids, and STILL never explored their relationship. I guess that’s just too complex for those brothers.

i swear some of you will excuse anything as long as “it was just a joke”. and all those jokes are always mocking women and gay people. huh, funny how that works. ppl who say they don’t care think they’re so edgy then in reality it’s nothing more than compliance and lack of moral backbone

“this misogynistic joke is fine because gay-” reactions like this are the reason gay men constantly get away with saying the most vile shit about women. and the rape joke about a girl in coma is horrible on its own, but considering the recent events … i have no words

“snl has always been like this” - doesn’t make this okay. actually it makes it worse. “actually, they did this fucked up thing more than once!” how does that help your argument. bigotry never was and never will be funny

and if something “made for gay people” is intentionally ambiguous enough so that it can cater to homophobes, i’ll pass

"thats just how snl is" and who set that system up? Part of the problem is that people are willing to ignore offensive behavior because "thats how it is" Did you know you can make fun of things without being homophobic or misogynistic?

I’m queer, and I deeply related to Will Byers because he was queer, and struggled to accept himself. To see his coming out scene, which was so important to me despite its poor writing, turned into a joke and to dumb it down to just liking dick. It’s so disheartening.

Being queer is not a safe thing, despite how much society has changed. Knowing that at the end of the day I am in danger for just loving the same gender, or presenting in a slightly different way. It’s horrible to see that something that was so important to me, to so many other queer teenagers struggling to be okay with themselves, turned into a joke? It’s a horrible feeling.

Queer people have been the butt of jokes for so many years, we’ve been treated as something that’s taboo for so long, something to point at and mock for years.

Finn Wolfhard had been friends with Noah Schanpp for years, and has played multiple queer characters, (Richie Tozier and Boris Pavlikovsky) and even queer-coded characters (Mike Wheeler). To know that he willingly approved a skit that would make fun of a scene that caused his friend so much distress to film, and was a very sensitive scene which received so much hate and back lash by homophobic fans?

It’s insulting. You’d think that someone who has played so many queer characters that he’d be more respectful, especially when he’s worked with queer actors before.

At the end of the day, it was a horrible skit to choose, and it was even worse knowing that Finn Wolfhard willingly chose to do snl, a show that has an extensive history of being misogynistic, homophobic, and racist.

it’s actually hilarious that they made will move on from mike in 1 day because he needed to accept himself after his love helped build up other characters and relationships. and then mike did not move on from el for 18 months and it’s portrayed as noble suffering despite the fact that their relationship was actively harming multiple people #truelove #queerswouldnotgetit #toomuchnoah

i don't CARE about finn wolfhard or whether noah schnapp loves him or hates him, this byler headcanon is never going to be turned into a fic if yall don't start bylering out rn

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