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This is buried in a longer post, but I think it's worth highlighting again.

The point of civil discourse is not to uphold Victorian manners, play nice for the oppressor, or constrain activism to a specific set of rules.

The point of civil discourse is to present and exchange ideas in a manner that is compatible with human psychology.

Being inflammatory/polarizing puts people's guards up. Once you've insulted someone in an argument, no matter what a horrid bastard they might be, you've sacrificed all your credibility/pull with them. Why should they believe you know best for them/society if you've shown you don't respect them as a person?

The thought of "I don't want to argue about human rights," is fair. However, through time immemorial, we've seen that rights are a thing you are born with but have to defend from outside forces. "Defend" means arguing. Arguing effectively means being patient, default assuming the person's mind can be changed, and walking away from a conversation you don't have the energy or the temper to continue with "This is not something I think I can change your mind on, but I stand firm on my beliefs. I will not be engaging further with you on this today."

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actual modern historians: in this letter, Margaret tells her dearest friend Adela, “my love, I long to worship at your altar of Venus once more. come to me and rain kisses upon my breasts as  you did in Paris last spring.”

people on the Internet: “FrIeNd???” ERASURE. STOP TRYING TO HIDE THE GAY. “OH MY GOD THEY WERE ROOMMATES”

aforementioned historians: she. she opens the letter with “My dearest friend.” we’re literally quoting here, and we just admitted they had sex

people on the Internet: “JUST GALS BEING PALS” EH? R/SAPPHOANDHERFRIEND?

historians: a truly vast number of us are queer

people on the Internet: LOL FELLAS IS IT GAY TO KISS YOUR BEST LADY FRIEND’S BREASTS??? NOT IN HISTORY!!

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Historians: we’re very careful about applying modern labels to ancients who don’t have the same concepts of queerness.

People on the internet: SO GAYS DIDN’T EXIST IN HISTORY HUH?

Historians: no? We’re saying ancients had different relationships and acceptances for things we now label as queer and it’s not right to force modern terms-

People on the internet: WOW, SO GAYS DON’T AND HAVE NEVER EXISTED? IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE SAYING? YOU’RE TRYING TO ERASE GAYS FROM HISTORY.

Historians: … How are you getting that from what I said?

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Historians: This man seems to clearly have taken this other man as a lover, based on his own comments and those of the people around him. And he did not seem to consummate either of his marriages or fathered children, so we feel comfortable saying he was likely a homosexual

Internet: Historians refuse to acknowledge that anyone in history was anything but straight!

Historians: Some people believe this man and woman had a romantic interest in each other based on their letters, but it’s important to remember that this kind of language was expected and didn’t necessarily mean they were actually interested in each other.

Internet: All a woman and a man had to do was look at each other and all historians are convinced they were into each other!

Historians: This person had some contemporary sources referring to them as gay, but that’s likely people spreading rumors because we can’t find anything to back it up beyond the word of their political rivals.

Internet: So gay people just never existed??

Historians: Actually we all agree this other person from the same place and time was gay and we talk extensively about it

Internet: That person isn’t famous enough for me to care

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So this is what The Edge was all about, trying to force the gargoyles to his upstate compound. Probably.

Interestingly though, the exchange here make me feel like it's more than just a lack of access. This exchange feels loaded, as though there are arguments that have taken place before. I think the episode where Hudson is captured to test out the cauldron of life or whatever is proof enough that if Xanatos wanted literally just one of them, as long as he wasn't picky which one, he could get his hands on them.

But he has chosen not to. Guy is not so immune to emotion. I think he simply likes the gargoyles too much at this point to want any harm to come to them barring it furthering his cause enough to be worth it.

And given the only true clone of the gargoyles he's truly so invested in is Goliath, and that's the least likely gargoyle he's simply just getting his hands on, well. It's not worth it.

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