debbie and fiona - get gone

It always made me sad when people bring up Fiona becoming their guardian, and then later leaving. What would you have done in her place. Would you have left them? Left Debbie in an abusive foster home? Left Carl and Liam to be adopted and maybe visit them? Left Lip and Ian in that group home, and Ian by himself when Lip ages out? Would you do that, and then what? Walk out of that courtroom alone, leaving the kids behind? How would they feel as they watched you go? These kids who have been abandoned by their mom and left with Frank. So would you just get on with your own life? You only got a couple of minutes to make up your mind, what would you do in Fiona's place?

i don’t really think you got the point of the edit if you think this is all about her getting guardianship. i get thats what she had to do, i get it was the only good option, but that doesnt excuse what she did afterwords. ian was illegally enlisted in the army, went awol, became a teenage prostitute and was in serious danger and she was all nonchalant about it saying “he’ll be back when he’s back”. liam overdosed at three because fiona wasn’t watching him with drugs in the house, and you’d think that growing up with addict parents and being around your siblings when they were toddlers (who are known for putting everything in their mouths, toddlers are crazy) would teach her to not do that. you’d think she would take some responsibility, but instead she defends herself and says she isn’t guilty when she clearly is. debbie got pregnant as a teenager and i know this is a sore spot (but this is the real point of the edit), but fiona shouldn’t have made her homeless. idc. a tough love approach would be fine, but at the end of the day, it’s her body and her decision and she did give birth. as her guardian, fiona should’ve still given her a place to live. she almost never held franny, she never raised franny, and i think establishing that boundary with debbie would be fine but there were better ways to do it than tackling her to the ground while debbie screams (6x02) and then eventually making her and her newborn homeless. when i bring up how fiona was warned its not because i think shes stupid or shouldnt have become guardian, it’s because i think what the judge was saying foreshadowed her future decisons. and in s7 when she tries to rebrand herself as an independent woman if it wasnt for the emergency contact list and billing her siblings. i don’t care and i don’t wanna hear an argument, debbie and carl were children and they should’ve been treated as such. it doesn’t matter if they were “acting as adults”, they weren’t. she signed up to take care of them until they were 18. once the baby was out and debbie was trying to change herself and improve her life she didn’t deserve that treatment, and pretty much nobody in the show was on fiona’s side. lip, ian, kev, and v shouldn’t have been higher on the emergency contact list than fiona because this is fiona’s job. it doesn’t matter if you think she deserved a life of her own because while i do think everybody deserves that, she still has responsibilities and that was child neglect. kev and v also have kids of their own and a business, the gallagher kids aren’t their responsibility. i get your argument but i don’t see the point in becoming guardian when the second she became guardian she started pretending she had no role in the kids life. what was the point if she was just gonna abandon them anyways? i get not wanting them to end up in foster care but i feel like that’s better than on the streets. that’s not even just about debbie because in s11 liam doesn’t know who his guardian is and has to pick out spots on the street to sleep, and while he had his other siblings he should’ve had fiona with him, his ACTUAL guardian. hate me for this take if you want to but i’ll defend the kids over fiona until the day i die, sorry.

Oh I get all that, believe me. I also think we would think that way even if she had never become their guardian. Even if that whole thing never happened. It's not the legality of her situation that makes what she did wrong, it's the dynamic of their family. She basically had no choice when she became guardian, so for her, and for all of them it was "just a piece of paper." It really didn't mean a whole lot in their day to day life. It should have, of course, but in their world, it just didn't. My point is that when she became guardian she had to make that choice in the spur of the moment, she wasn't given time to think about what it really meant, she was only thinking about keeping her family together. That was her whole purpose. If she hadn't done it, if she had walked away and left them to the system, what would we all think of her? And of course she was a shitty guardian, how could she be anything but. Where did she learn how to be responsible? Who raised Fiona? As Debbie said, "Fiona takes care of everybody, but no one takes care of Fiona."

So yeah, I too have empathy for those kids, and can see how you would defend them. And I agree that Fiona made some really shitty decisions and was horrible when called out. But then Fiona did make those kids lives exponentially better than if she had not been there at all.

okay you really seem like you DON’T get it because all you’re talking about is the guardianship and not acknowledging any other part of the edit itself, which is weird considering you felt obligated to reblog with your own two cents. i’m talking about fiona mistreating debbie and acting as if she wasn’t still supposed to be supporting debbie even if debbie made the terrible decisions she made. all you’re talking about is the same things everybody says, “oh well she’s been raising these kids forever and if she didn’t get guardianship then they would’ve been put in a worse situation” which is odd because i never said anything about that in my post. this is about debbie and fiona neglecting and mistreating her in s6/7. you talk a lot about how their lives are better in fiona’s care, and in the earlier seasons, they were, but when they were ACTUALLY in her care when she was guardian, i wouldn’t say that. when fiona was guardian ian was being dragged out of a club at seventeen by pedophiles and debbie was begging on the street. what’s the point in becoming guardian to save them from shitty situations if you won’t do shit to help them or put them in a shitty situation?

debbie and fiona - get gone

It always made me sad when people bring up Fiona becoming their guardian, and then later leaving. What would you have done in her place. Would you have left them? Left Debbie in an abusive foster home? Left Carl and Liam to be adopted and maybe visit them? Left Lip and Ian in that group home, and Ian by himself when Lip ages out? Would you do that, and then what? Walk out of that courtroom alone, leaving the kids behind? How would they feel as they watched you go? These kids who have been abandoned by their mom and left with Frank. So would you just get on with your own life? You only got a couple of minutes to make up your mind, what would you do in Fiona's place?

i don’t really think you got the point of the edit if you think this is all about her getting guardianship. i get thats what she had to do, i get it was the only good option, but that doesnt excuse what she did afterwords. ian was illegally enlisted in the army, went awol, became a teenage prostitute and was in serious danger and she was all nonchalant about it saying “he’ll be back when he’s back”. liam overdosed at three because fiona wasn’t watching him with drugs in the house, and you’d think that growing up with addict parents and being around your siblings when they were toddlers (who are known for putting everything in their mouths, toddlers are crazy) would teach her to not do that. you’d think she would take some responsibility, but instead she defends herself and says she isn’t guilty when she clearly is. debbie got pregnant as a teenager and i know this is a sore spot (but this is the real point of the edit), but fiona shouldn’t have made her homeless. idc. a tough love approach would be fine, but at the end of the day, it’s her body and her decision and she did give birth. as her guardian, fiona should’ve still given her a place to live. she almost never held franny, she never raised franny, and i think establishing that boundary with debbie would be fine but there were better ways to do it than tackling her to the ground while debbie screams (6x02) and then eventually making her and her newborn homeless. when i bring up how fiona was warned its not because i think shes stupid or shouldnt have become guardian, it’s because i think what the judge was saying foreshadowed her future decisons. and in s7 when she tries to rebrand herself as an independent woman if it wasnt for the emergency contact list and billing her siblings. i don’t care and i don’t wanna hear an argument, debbie and carl were children and they should’ve been treated as such. it doesn’t matter if they were “acting as adults”, they weren’t. she signed up to take care of them until they were 18. once the baby was out and debbie was trying to change herself and improve her life she didn’t deserve that treatment, and pretty much nobody in the show was on fiona’s side. lip, ian, kev, and v shouldn’t have been higher on the emergency contact list than fiona because this is fiona’s job. it doesn’t matter if you think she deserved a life of her own because while i do think everybody deserves that, she still has responsibilities and that was child neglect. kev and v also have kids of their own and a business, the gallagher kids aren’t their responsibility. i get your argument but i don’t see the point in becoming guardian when the second she became guardian she started pretending she had no role in the kids life. what was the point if she was just gonna abandon them anyways? i get not wanting them to end up in foster care but i feel like that’s better than on the streets. that’s not even just about debbie because in s11 liam doesn’t know who his guardian is and has to pick out spots on the street to sleep, and while he had his other siblings he should’ve had fiona with him, his ACTUAL guardian. hate me for this take if you want to but i’ll defend the kids over fiona until the day i die, sorry.