@archivewriter1ont @margindoodles2407 I may split this up into a few parts all reblogged off of this original post, we’ll see, but here goes

So. I don’t know if anyone else has read the Kaminoans’ wookiepedia page, but I have and I have So. Many. Thoughts.

Section 1: Canon Info and Ancient Kamino/The Kaminoan Culture Shift

According to wookiepedia, the Kaminoans are an amphibious species, but they once held a more land-based society. However their world was in the middle of a very extended ice age for a long time, and that ice eventually started to melt and there was just. Too Much Water. They tried moving further up and up but the oceans just kept rising, so the Kaminoans weighed it and decided that they would adapt on their own instead of reaching out to the Republic for help, because they feared to be colonized and/or have a change in culture due to Republic interference, and they way they ended up deciding to preserve themselves was through cloning/genetic engineering. They adapted their native flora and fauna and themselves to be able to survive in these new conditions on their planet. That is all canon information.

First of all, I headcanon that modern Kaminoan culture is aesthetically somewhat similar to the Ancient Kaminoans, but societally almost completely different. These headcanons are shaped by information on wookiepedia that says (quote) “Both ancient and modern Kaminoan cities were characterized by domed cities” and “They constructed large spires and towers, which were connected to the ground that became the seafloor. These towering structures replaced older wattle-and-daub structures.”

I haven’t done as much thinking about ancient Kaminoan culture, but I think you could come up with a really interesting history for the shift of the species as the water rose and they were forced up until their mountains, realizing over time (probably centuries imo) that the water wasn’t going to quit rising until even the mountains were underwater and they were running out of time. I’m undecided on just how different the modern Kaminoans are from the Ancient Kaminoans due to the alterations they made to themselves—whether they’re more like relative species or drastically different. I do see the Ancient Kaminoans as originally being a more primitive-type society, still with some space-tech and obviously knowledge of the republic and probably spaceships and things, but overall living simpler lives, living more off of the land and with little industrialization (very different to the sterile sterile sterile world of modern Kamino)

Part 2: Modern Kaminoan Society

retagging @archivewriter1ont and @margindoodles2407 so I can be sure you guys see this bit (there’s a LOT more here). Also… pleeease tell me what you guys think, if you are willing?

Putting to rest the ancient Kamino side of things for the moment, I see the Kaminoans as a society of immense contradictions. As individuals, they have immense personal pride and desire to work their way up the ranks and be individually successful, but as a society they are very collectivist. Everything is for the good of the whole, the benefits of the species and to improve their future, everything is optimization and cold logic and calculations, no emotion involved. You present a Kaminoan with the trolley problem and they have no moral qualms whatsoever. All they want to do is calculate the worth of each of the individuals and let die whichever side is of less value to the species. They are cavalier about sacrificing for ‘the greater good’ and the ‘welfare of the species’ until they are the one that must be sacrificed, and then a Kaminoan will fight tooth and nail to preserve their own live no matter who they have to hurt in the process.

They both revere their ancestors the ancient kaminoans (wookiepedia says that they “often make pilgrimages to the sunken ruins of their ancient cities”) and look down on them as sub-optimal and primitive idiots. They are very careful to preserve the aesthetic trappings of the culture they descended from, while completely ignoring the spirit. For instance, I headcanon that the Kaminoans have completely eliminated natural procreation—every last individual is grown in a growth tube now—but they stick strictly to the early guidelines of having two main ‘genetic contributors’, one male and one female, to each individual. (The most ‘pure’ Kaminoans are those with genetic material taken only from one male and one female Kaminoan. The more genes are grabbed from other sources (though never more than a handful of genes at most to maintain clear genetic lines and biological relations) the less ‘pure’ a Kaminoan is considered.) They have almost no concept of parents, but keep very rigid records of inheritance and genetic lines through their ‘genetic contributors’ (Every Kaminoan has a ‘male genetic contributor’ and a ‘female genetic contributor’ and can trace their lineage back through genetic contributors all the way to when they started cloning like this) and also keep records of every single gene from a source outside of the two ‘primary contributors’ added to an individual. Even though they have no concept of parents and are created through cloning processes, they pride themselves on being ‘genetically unique beings’ with a combination of DNA code that has never existed before that individual and never will again, and look down on their ‘products’ who are replica clones, with only one ‘genetic contributor’ (such as the Fett clones) as vastly inferior to themselves, who took the biological concept of mother and father and ‘improved’ or perhaps even ‘perfected’ it. They create exact copies of others on contract, but would be disgusted and horrified at the very idea of creating a Kaminoan to be an exact clone of another Kaminoan and would consider it an abomination and an affront even though they have no moral objections to sentient cloning of anyone and everyone else. (continuing under the cut)

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Okay LOVE this, first off, it all falls so perfectly into place. A couple of questions:

  1. May I use your ideas for writing (mostly references in writing)? I'll give you credit every time it comes into picture, of course.
  2. The caste system sounds hereditary, but given how the majority do not make use of the concept of a family unit, and therefore we have little to no connection between the progenitor and progeny, how does each member of a caste (especially those of higher castes like Politician and Scientist) learn their trade?
  3. What exactly does the Civilian caste do, given how they make most of the populus? And where is the line between Civilian and Servant drawn in terms of profession?
  4. Are the aiwhas also cloned from both a male and female donor, or is a single donor also acceptable?
  5. Is it safe to assume that their society is one where each caste is separate from the other for the better part?
  6. Is recreation a concept amongst them?

  1. yes yes yes yes you may 110% use my ideas in your writing and I am so beyond flattered that you even want to, you absolutely have to let me know whenever you post something mentioning it so I can read it :D
  2. Droids and educator caste members mostly, (tends to be heavier on the droids for the civilians and heavier on the educators for the higher castes) although politician caste and scientist caste are also mentored by current members of said castes when they get older. Mentoring a successful individual is another way to rise in the ranks and the main way politicians jockey for position, by picking a protégée and trying to get them to the top. Frequently members of the scientist and political castes will also try to mentor descendants or relations, because if you mentor someone successful and make your genetic line look better, that’s a two-for-one deal on Making Yourself Look Good. There’s a lot of nepo-baby stuff going on in the upper castes, and frequently people chose to mentor their descendants, aka their adult children who they have never actually bothered to meet before they got old enough to leave the care of the educators and actually become a part of society (and be of use to the people who contributed to their genetics)
  3. Civilians tend to have jobs like farming, butchering, chefs/cooking, manufacturing textiles and other day to day necessities, trade jobs like mechanics/repairmen (different from the engineers of the scientist caste because they don’t make things to sell off of Kamino, nor do they really design much of anything new), secretaries for educators—generally the little stuff required to keep a society running so everyone has homes and food and clothing. There are also a few specific circles who preserve older arts like pottery or weaving and do restorations to old artifacts and things, because the Kaminoans can be very obsessed with their ancient culture, but in those cases you really have to be born into that group, you can’t pick it, because those guys are considered The Weirdos (both valued for preserving cultural history while also sort of shunned and looked down on as basically no better than the ‘primitives’.). As a whole, they keep society going in terms of production and create the creature comforts which the politicians and scientists enjoy (and the educators to a lesser extent). (To the higher castes, the civilians as a whole are almost more of a museum exhibit, fulfilling the original idea of preserving the species and respecting the ideas of the ancients, but well, they don’t really matter like we do, do they?) Servants get two categories of jobs, really—as live in domestic servants for the two highest castes, akin to serving nobility, where there can be some overlap with civilian jobs depending on what the person they’re assigned to wants from them, and jobs like cleaning and the dirtiest and most difficult of manual labor positions that aren’t filled by droids (which are more valuable than servants, in the Kaminoan view, because they are harder to replace). The other big differences are that civilians for the most part get some degree of say over their career path, unless they’re born into a specific track or cultural microgroup with specific expectations, while servants cannot pick whatsoever, they are simply assigned, and they also get no pay and own no belongings or homes—functionally they’re slaves, though the live-in ones are treated better than the ones that live in a sort of barracks and clean the maintenance tunnels and such, because the former have to still be presentable if a higher caste happens to lay eyes on a servant in their home.
  4. Single donors are definitely unacceptable for the aiwha. It must be a male and female pair and anyone who suggested otherwise might end up drop-kicked into the ocean (if Kaminoans had the physical strength to do any drop-kicking that is. Seems doubtful)
  5. Yep. The only caste that just about all the castes will interact with at some point in their life is the educator caste, and then specifically the ones who are in charge of raising and teaching children. Politicians only ever interact with the highest ranked members of the scientist caste and rarely members of the educator caste, mostly in childhood or as secretaries and assistants. Scientists stay pretty well within their own caste, preferring assistants from the lower ranks of their caste, only really interacting with educators (again not as much) or in the case of the very highest levels, politicians. Educators as I’ve mentioned before range the widest, but those with professions like historian or architect as opposed to teacher or secretary probably interact outside their caste even more rarely than the scientists do. Civilians really only ever see educators, and then in childhood, and servants are to be out of sight as much as is possible, living in a great deal of isolation even from each other as they’re worked so hard, with ‘never speak unless spoken to’ type rules and with being seen by members of the highest castes or by offworlders, depending on the situation, to be a capital offense. Even in the case of live-in servants, they are only to enter a room in which someone who is not a member of their caste is present if they are directly summoned. In most cases, servants will be notified that they should go and tidy a room after it has entirely emptied of people and only ever get to see other members of the servant caste in passing during their working hours, as they’re also not really supposed to talk even to each other unless it’s necessary to get something done.
  6. Kind of? The politicians mostly sit around looking pretty, making decrees, signing documents, having meetings where they pat themselves on the back for being so awesome, and such, and are more of a pampered royalty type class that, while not utterly useless, don’t do a whole lot either and have a lot of free time to be entertained. Scientists and educators don’t really have the concept of recreation, nor do servants, and it exists in civilians mostly within the cultural subgroups dedicated to the preservation of the arts for the entertainment of the politicians. Civilians as a whole do have some degree of freedom for recreation, but recreation is looked down on as frivolous and silly (for all the castes below the politicians, of course) and not many care to try leisure time. They’re a society of workaholics all trying to prove themselves superior to their neighbors.

Section 3: Kaminoan Aging

continuing from here since May’s questions ended up prompting even more worldbuilding <3

@margindoodles2407 @archivewriter1ont @seeking-elsewhither

Firstly, the wookiepedia page for them says that Kaminoans reach adulthood at eleven. That seems. Really young to me. And then I thought about the (Fett) clones’ advanced aging, and I came up with A Thought. I think the early Kaminoan genetic engineers accelerated their own aging. (continued under the cut, again)

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Section 4: Kaminoan Biology Continued

ahem. @archivewriter1ont @margindoodles2407 @seeking-elsewhither I really hope it is not annoying that I continue to tag you guys. Let me know if you want me to stop. I should only have one more section with some final miscellaneous thoughts and then I think I have exhausted the worldbuilding well in my brain. okay. moving on (all my thoughts under the cut this time)

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Section 5: Final Miscellaneous Thoughts

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What a way to wrap it up! Love the nuanced take on this (I do love me a good nuance)

Also, which niche media is that, if I may ask?

@archivewriter1ont @margindoodles2407 I may split this up into a few parts all reblogged off of this original post, we’ll see, but here goes

So. I don’t know if anyone else has read the Kaminoans’ wookiepedia page, but I have and I have So. Many. Thoughts.

Section 1: Canon Info and Ancient Kamino/The Kaminoan Culture Shift

According to wookiepedia, the Kaminoans are an amphibious species, but they once held a more land-based society. However their world was in the middle of a very extended ice age for a long time, and that ice eventually started to melt and there was just. Too Much Water. They tried moving further up and up but the oceans just kept rising, so the Kaminoans weighed it and decided that they would adapt on their own instead of reaching out to the Republic for help, because they feared to be colonized and/or have a change in culture due to Republic interference, and they way they ended up deciding to preserve themselves was through cloning/genetic engineering. They adapted their native flora and fauna and themselves to be able to survive in these new conditions on their planet. That is all canon information.

First of all, I headcanon that modern Kaminoan culture is aesthetically somewhat similar to the Ancient Kaminoans, but societally almost completely different. These headcanons are shaped by information on wookiepedia that says (quote) “Both ancient and modern Kaminoan cities were characterized by domed cities” and “They constructed large spires and towers, which were connected to the ground that became the seafloor. These towering structures replaced older wattle-and-daub structures.”

I haven’t done as much thinking about ancient Kaminoan culture, but I think you could come up with a really interesting history for the shift of the species as the water rose and they were forced up until their mountains, realizing over time (probably centuries imo) that the water wasn’t going to quit rising until even the mountains were underwater and they were running out of time. I’m undecided on just how different the modern Kaminoans are from the Ancient Kaminoans due to the alterations they made to themselves—whether they’re more like relative species or drastically different. I do see the Ancient Kaminoans as originally being a more primitive-type society, still with some space-tech and obviously knowledge of the republic and probably spaceships and things, but overall living simpler lives, living more off of the land and with little industrialization (very different to the sterile sterile sterile world of modern Kamino)

Part 2: Modern Kaminoan Society

retagging @archivewriter1ont and @margindoodles2407 so I can be sure you guys see this bit (there’s a LOT more here). Also… pleeease tell me what you guys think, if you are willing?

Putting to rest the ancient Kamino side of things for the moment, I see the Kaminoans as a society of immense contradictions. As individuals, they have immense personal pride and desire to work their way up the ranks and be individually successful, but as a society they are very collectivist. Everything is for the good of the whole, the benefits of the species and to improve their future, everything is optimization and cold logic and calculations, no emotion involved. You present a Kaminoan with the trolley problem and they have no moral qualms whatsoever. All they want to do is calculate the worth of each of the individuals and let die whichever side is of less value to the species. They are cavalier about sacrificing for ‘the greater good’ and the ‘welfare of the species’ until they are the one that must be sacrificed, and then a Kaminoan will fight tooth and nail to preserve their own live no matter who they have to hurt in the process.

They both revere their ancestors the ancient kaminoans (wookiepedia says that they “often make pilgrimages to the sunken ruins of their ancient cities”) and look down on them as sub-optimal and primitive idiots. They are very careful to preserve the aesthetic trappings of the culture they descended from, while completely ignoring the spirit. For instance, I headcanon that the Kaminoans have completely eliminated natural procreation—every last individual is grown in a growth tube now—but they stick strictly to the early guidelines of having two main ‘genetic contributors’, one male and one female, to each individual. (The most ‘pure’ Kaminoans are those with genetic material taken only from one male and one female Kaminoan. The more genes are grabbed from other sources (though never more than a handful of genes at most to maintain clear genetic lines and biological relations) the less ‘pure’ a Kaminoan is considered.) They have almost no concept of parents, but keep very rigid records of inheritance and genetic lines through their ‘genetic contributors’ (Every Kaminoan has a ‘male genetic contributor’ and a ‘female genetic contributor’ and can trace their lineage back through genetic contributors all the way to when they started cloning like this) and also keep records of every single gene from a source outside of the two ‘primary contributors’ added to an individual. Even though they have no concept of parents and are created through cloning processes, they pride themselves on being ‘genetically unique beings’ with a combination of DNA code that has never existed before that individual and never will again, and look down on their ‘products’ who are replica clones, with only one ‘genetic contributor’ (such as the Fett clones) as vastly inferior to themselves, who took the biological concept of mother and father and ‘improved’ or perhaps even ‘perfected’ it. They create exact copies of others on contract, but would be disgusted and horrified at the very idea of creating a Kaminoan to be an exact clone of another Kaminoan and would consider it an abomination and an affront even though they have no moral objections to sentient cloning of anyone and everyone else. (continuing under the cut)

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Okay LOVE this, first off, it all falls so perfectly into place. A couple of questions:

  1. May I use your ideas for writing (mostly references in writing)? I'll give you credit every time it comes into picture, of course.
  2. The caste system sounds hereditary, but given how the majority do not make use of the concept of a family unit, and therefore we have little to no connection between the progenitor and progeny, how does each member of a caste (especially those of higher castes like Politician and Scientist) learn their trade?
  3. What exactly does the Civilian caste do, given how they make most of the populus? And where is the line between Civilian and Servant drawn in terms of profession?
  4. Are the aiwhas also cloned from both a male and female donor, or is a single donor also acceptable?
  5. Is it safe to assume that their society is one where each caste is separate from the other for the better part?
  6. Is recreation a concept amongst them?

  1. yes yes yes yes you may 110% use my ideas in your writing and I am so beyond flattered that you even want to, you absolutely have to let me know whenever you post something mentioning it so I can read it :D
  2. Droids and educator caste members mostly, (tends to be heavier on the droids for the civilians and heavier on the educators for the higher castes) although politician caste and scientist caste are also mentored by current members of said castes when they get older. Mentoring a successful individual is another way to rise in the ranks and the main way politicians jockey for position, by picking a protégée and trying to get them to the top. Frequently members of the scientist and political castes will also try to mentor descendants or relations, because if you mentor someone successful and make your genetic line look better, that’s a two-for-one deal on Making Yourself Look Good. There’s a lot of nepo-baby stuff going on in the upper castes, and frequently people chose to mentor their descendants, aka their adult children who they have never actually bothered to meet before they got old enough to leave the care of the educators and actually become a part of society (and be of use to the people who contributed to their genetics)
  3. Civilians tend to have jobs like farming, butchering, chefs/cooking, manufacturing textiles and other day to day necessities, trade jobs like mechanics/repairmen (different from the engineers of the scientist caste because they don’t make things to sell off of Kamino, nor do they really design much of anything new), secretaries for educators—generally the little stuff required to keep a society running so everyone has homes and food and clothing. There are also a few specific circles who preserve older arts like pottery or weaving and do restorations to old artifacts and things, because the Kaminoans can be very obsessed with their ancient culture, but in those cases you really have to be born into that group, you can’t pick it, because those guys are considered The Weirdos (both valued for preserving cultural history while also sort of shunned and looked down on as basically no better than the ‘primitives’.). As a whole, they keep society going in terms of production and create the creature comforts which the politicians and scientists enjoy (and the educators to a lesser extent). (To the higher castes, the civilians as a whole are almost more of a museum exhibit, fulfilling the original idea of preserving the species and respecting the ideas of the ancients, but well, they don’t really matter like we do, do they?) Servants get two categories of jobs, really—as live in domestic servants for the two highest castes, akin to serving nobility, where there can be some overlap with civilian jobs depending on what the person they’re assigned to wants from them, and jobs like cleaning and the dirtiest and most difficult of manual labor positions that aren’t filled by droids (which are more valuable than servants, in the Kaminoan view, because they are harder to replace). The other big differences are that civilians for the most part get some degree of say over their career path, unless they’re born into a specific track or cultural microgroup with specific expectations, while servants cannot pick whatsoever, they are simply assigned, and they also get no pay and own no belongings or homes—functionally they’re slaves, though the live-in ones are treated better than the ones that live in a sort of barracks and clean the maintenance tunnels and such, because the former have to still be presentable if a higher caste happens to lay eyes on a servant in their home.
  4. Single donors are definitely unacceptable for the aiwha. It must be a male and female pair and anyone who suggested otherwise might end up drop-kicked into the ocean (if Kaminoans had the physical strength to do any drop-kicking that is. Seems doubtful)
  5. Yep. The only caste that just about all the castes will interact with at some point in their life is the educator caste, and then specifically the ones who are in charge of raising and teaching children. Politicians only ever interact with the highest ranked members of the scientist caste and rarely members of the educator caste, mostly in childhood or as secretaries and assistants. Scientists stay pretty well within their own caste, preferring assistants from the lower ranks of their caste, only really interacting with educators (again not as much) or in the case of the very highest levels, politicians. Educators as I’ve mentioned before range the widest, but those with professions like historian or architect as opposed to teacher or secretary probably interact outside their caste even more rarely than the scientists do. Civilians really only ever see educators, and then in childhood, and servants are to be out of sight as much as is possible, living in a great deal of isolation even from each other as they’re worked so hard, with ‘never speak unless spoken to’ type rules and with being seen by members of the highest castes or by offworlders, depending on the situation, to be a capital offense. Even in the case of live-in servants, they are only to enter a room in which someone who is not a member of their caste is present if they are directly summoned. In most cases, servants will be notified that they should go and tidy a room after it has entirely emptied of people and only ever get to see other members of the servant caste in passing during their working hours, as they’re also not really supposed to talk even to each other unless it’s necessary to get something done.
  6. Kind of? The politicians mostly sit around looking pretty, making decrees, signing documents, having meetings where they pat themselves on the back for being so awesome, and such, and are more of a pampered royalty type class that, while not utterly useless, don’t do a whole lot either and have a lot of free time to be entertained. Scientists and educators don’t really have the concept of recreation, nor do servants, and it exists in civilians mostly within the cultural subgroups dedicated to the preservation of the arts for the entertainment of the politicians. Civilians as a whole do have some degree of freedom for recreation, but recreation is looked down on as frivolous and silly (for all the castes below the politicians, of course) and not many care to try leisure time. They’re a society of workaholics all trying to prove themselves superior to their neighbors.

Section 3: Kaminoan Aging

continuing from here since May’s questions ended up prompting even more worldbuilding <3

@margindoodles2407 @archivewriter1ont @seeking-elsewhither

Firstly, the wookiepedia page for them says that Kaminoans reach adulthood at eleven. That seems. Really young to me. And then I thought about the (Fett) clones’ advanced aging, and I came up with A Thought. I think the early Kaminoan genetic engineers accelerated their own aging. (continued under the cut, again)

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Section 4: Kaminoan Biology Continued

ahem. @archivewriter1ont @margindoodles2407 @seeking-elsewhither I really hope it is not annoying that I continue to tag you guys. Let me know if you want me to stop. I should only have one more section with some final miscellaneous thoughts and then I think I have exhausted the worldbuilding well in my brain. okay. moving on (all my thoughts under the cut this time)

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I don’t mind being tagged at all — in fact, I’m enjoying this slew of posts immensely, they’re such fun reads!

You know technology literacy is dying because I saw this meme with 76k likes

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F11 the full screen button? You’re scared of the full screen button? F10?? It opens the menu bar???

Computers are so scary what if I accidentally hit F12 in a steam game and it takes a screenshot. What if I press shift + F12 while in word and accidentally save my document 😖

If you had to learn what the F keys on your computer do through me reblogging this post, then I'm glad you did. Computer literacy is not a skill that gets taught anymore, and it is absolutely one that needs to be taught in order to be learned. Don't ever feel bad for not knowing something, but ☝️ don't ever stop learning learning about your environment, the tools you use, and especially the people around you

Never stop learning+ Never stop sharing what you learned

There was a website called StumbleUpon. You clicked a button and you'd get redirected to some random website on the Internet ran by some random person about some random thing or community. https://t.co/6hoZA5hs4g  — SwiftOnSecurity (@SwiftOnSecurity) July 8, 2023ALT

I can't stress enough how much I miss StumbleUpon

StumbleUpon once sent me to a supercut of Lion King, Lion King 1 1/2, and Lion King II, the main edit being that the scenes of Lion King and Lion King 1 1/2 were interspersed so that they happened in the order they actually happened.

stumbleupon not existing anymore can be directly traced to a dramatic decline in my mental health, I could do a thesis on it.

bestie stumbleupon very much still exists its just called cloudhiker now. i use it all the time.

mini compilation of suggestions from the replies:

The Bored Button - "Press the Bored Button and be bored no more."

The Useless Web

Cloudhiker - "Discover the most interesting, weird and awesome websites of the Internet" (not really a rebrand, it's a different person running it but they have the same intention in mind)

Astronaut.io - "These videos come from YouTube. They were uploaded in the last week and have titles like DSC 1234 and IMG 4321. They have almost zero previous views. They are unnamed, unedited, and unseen (by anyone but you)."

Marginalia - "This is an independent DIY search engine that focuses on non-commercial content, and attempts to show you sites you perhaps weren't aware of in favor of the sort of sites you probably already knew existed."

OHOHOHOHO INDEED