Hmm, hard to say. Somewhat of a freeing moment I guess.
I've dedicated a lot of time to this game mode chasing various goals.

What could be more of a statement then winning the holy grail and just discarding it like rubbish?

wait, why delete it lol?

Well, technically yeah but I also dont see the value of it anymore.
I also got other items over the years that I enjoy more.

It was what ultimately drew me to MvM in a way as the once in a lifetime dream moment to achieve but at this point I would find it more gratifying to win one and just delete it at a specific date.

People probably think I'm full of it when I say that but there is only one way to find out.

well yes but you seem wealthy enough to just outright buy one

Thats how Mann Up works. Its gambling at its finest.
I know several people who got one, know some that even got two.

And just this year I saw my first Golden Pan drop live. It was a one tour guy that just made their account 7 days before playing.

That seems about right, doesnt it?

i took a look at your inventory and brother how do you not have a gold pan yet

In the back of my mind I thought that maybe that was the case but also had doubts as it was too ridiculous to purge what basically boils down to just a Google doc at the end of the day.

For them to strike that down their systems must be overtuned to kingdom come.
I know as much whenever I fight against them striking down random crap I upload.
Its absolutely ridiculous how they go after the most benign stuff and let the most insane spams and scams roam free for weeks, months etc.

Anyway, the general idea I have about your changes is pretty positive. I'd love to see any change for the better but I believe thats wishful thinking at this point.

Valve as a whole seems to be very averse against doing any work that improves anything that doesnt directly make them money.

the bar with valve and steam is at subterrean levels and I share your nonstop disappointment with this company i used to love so much

i got both forum and community banned because the link i posted to my file was picked up by their automated spam systems

Where did that thread go? Just got home and wanted to do my thing only to find that it disappeared like my faith in humanity.

Alright, I'll sleep on some things and stuff it all in there tomorrow. Generally I do like 95% of what I read.

Demoman: Kinda shocked the Loose Cannon is all thats mentioned. The Donk mechanic should definitely be the appeal of it. Would love to see proper usage without the disruptive knockback.

Pyro: Phlogistinator needs a change. Damage upgrade removal seems kinda unfair if Backburner gets to keep it while also being able to technically provide crits on demand albeit more positional/situational.
No damage upgrade Backburner can also still dish out incredible damage.
Backburner: Minicrits to tanks from the back feels wrong for a weapon that doesnt need to reload and retains damage upgrades. Also kinda plays into the "being able to solo" aspect more again. An additional benefit with no downsides compared to Stock or Degreaser that would end up being far worse compared.
The Scorch Shot being broken, fixed and broken again is such a Valve thing. Just like giving up fixing issues.
Gas Passer explosions killing the Pyro user will never not be funny. Please dont fix.

Cow Mangler 5000 - intentional wrong number of the weapon name?
Anyway, the charge ability is the biggest flaw for sure.
What about the clip size becoming more useful the more you upgrade it? As in charging with 4 clip size deals the damage of 4 rockets, 6 clip size deals damage of 6 rockets etc. Scaling up and down while still having to reload it to gain back the burst damage potential. Maybe too strong.
Righteous Bison projectile speed increase? It does feel very hit and miss. Maybe skill issue.
Pain Train: Interesting idea but also just useful if gates present or bomb able to reset.
Maybe bleeding focus since nail in wooden board or the more you kill with it the more pain you bring with it.

Soldier: Rocket Specialist disabling all knockback makes it sound like the ultimate anti-airblast upgrade. Is that the intention?
Rocket Jumper could have more use cases with its damage being normalized and turned into a form of combo weapon. Maybe fully benefiting from the Base Jumper in a way so its elevated to equal ground or something along the lines of providing a boost through rocket jumps.

Scout: Back Scatter idea is neat. Would make it a more tank centric weapon and maybe give it a bit more usefulness overall. Agree with the rest.

Removal of tour count display would be interesting but there is also nothing stopping anyone from just scraping badge numbers and putting them in a list, like we already do.

Canteens in particular might just be my opinion but their sheer existence just feel like a "get out of jail free card" and I would do away with the system entirely. Not going to happen, I know that much.
Even with increased costs, good enough players could still trivialize specific threats while removing the spammable nature.
I assume Canteen Specialist will be addressed later so I wont mention it for now.

Being able to control and weaponize Sentry Buster detonations by destroying your own Sentry as a strategy sounds neat but also feels very abusable by bad actors.

A pretty long read. You'll have to give me some time.
I'll try to condense my opinion down as much as possible as Steam comment limitations make it annoying and I also dont want to go overboard as I expect to agree with most things lined out.

Up to the class specific changes for now I strongly agree with most things.

+rep

thx for mvm man

You are the one that wanted to kick the Huntsman. Stop being a ♥♥♥♥♥ while not focusing on what you were supposed to do as Engineer.

1200 tours in mvm 2 cities and crying like a kid

added

Sure, no problem. I did kinda skew the explanation to some degree as I found out from a friend trying it and it not working as I imagined.
Glad it worked for you.

+ thanks for helping with the updates with win7

Who the ♥♥♥♥ are you anyway?!

Otherwise you would have been banned the moment you came here.

You could at least explain what you are talking about. And thats not a banable offense anyway.

Reported for spreading false information.

Please do better ;)

I ascended to rock last night and then left the profound knowledge that I gained behind as it held me back in reaching much higher spiritual planes.

Once you ascend the rock, you can consider yourself a contrarian. Not alone, but with a friend. He will guide you to the light. Climb to escape the darkness and you will see.

Conformist - a person who conforms to accepted behaviour or established practices.
That totally sounds like me, for sure.

Just because I dont ♥♥♥♥ on other people every second of my existence doesnt mean I agree with their retarded methods.

Why are you even bringing up bitchrocking? Is that what this is all about? lmao

You're not. You're a conformist. Where exactly are you a contrarian? You follow the norms of the MvM community to the letter. When is the last time you had a suspiciously competent Sniper godspotting and doing 100% of the work?

I'm contrarian by nature.

Then why do you continue to resist? Do you expect applause when you go out there? People getting off their seats to praise you for not finally giving in? To put stubbornness over reason?

I didnt say you were wrong.
I just think its ridiculous to act like you figured out the meaning of life and everyone else are lost lambs that havent realized the futility of it all.

Even you must notice when things are starting to fall apart. Just because I'm schizophrenic, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Have you ever considered looking within to find the source of the problem? In the end, it won't matter. We are all cogs in their machine. Knowing this, changes absolutely nothing. The only difference is that I have been forsaken.

damn, also thx steam to sometimes not properly giving me notif. about smth

For more retarded reasons. I basically called someone that I didnt even mention by name an "annoying kid."
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3537594777

Or what would be more hilarious, they didnt like me saying that Valve is still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at dealing with cheaters.

Who the ♥♥♥♥ knows. Steam's moderation will never not be awful.

For what?

Three days, it ends today.

Banned again on steam forums? For how long, may I ask?

yooyo

No problem, your comment brought me luck too.

Thank you for bringing me luck

Hmm, I could have sworn I saw a screenshot. Maybe I mixed it up with someone else.

I don't have a gpan. My luck is just that bad.

true..

You know exactly when I play MvM.

play mann vs machine!