I am married to Sanson

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Sanson, left most room of the ground floor of the main house

Sources :

-Z_1j_1045, Archives Nationales de France.

-Carbonnier, Youri, "Les maisons des ponts parisiens à la fin du XVIIIe siècle : étude d'un phénomène architectural et urbain particulier", Histoire, Économie et Société, année 1989, 17-4, pp. 711-723

For my artistic lisence parts, I will use the online collections of the musée Carnavalet, Musée du louvre and the Ermitage Museum of Saint-Petersburg for items such as tiles, furniture and what not, as well as what ever articles I can find online.

Plans :

For the floor tiles, I'll want some square ones for simplicity.

I found this neat memoir on Google Scholar :

Hamel, Deny, "Les modes de fabrication des terres cuites commune de production locale à Québec à la fin du XVIIème siècle", Département d'Histoire et Lettres de l'Université de Laval, Québec, 2007,

According to Diderot's "Encyclopédie", the smaller version of it used in rooms was about 4 inches (pouce de Paris), so about 10.8 cm on each side (although, I think he talked about the hexagonal ones). Most extent ones in online antique shops are somewhat bigger, at around 12-16 cm. Still, one the small side. Which means I should keep them SMOL as I keep in mind proportions. Since these floor tiles would have been relatively new at the time, like, not centuries old, they would have rather bright terracotta color with some variation but not too much. I will keep them square for my sanity.

This room is said to have a chipped marble chimney with framing and an iron-cast plaque at the end of the hearth, as well as having two windows overlooking the garden. Near the chimney is a large closet with a vertical opening, and another one is near the door. I will draw the part near the chimney, since it's probably the most visually interesting anyway.

Here's a few examples of chimney stuff from the early XVIIIth centurie :


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For these, only the bare bones of the chimney will be drawn, so the design will be simplified, as anything that isn't strictly chimney won't figure in the "strictly sourced" version, but I will keep the shape and silhouette. For the ornated parts on the sides, they do have a roman collumn motif, so I will have to ensure to keep that, and I must ensure a usable tablette since it's what described in the document. No plaque at the hearth, because the document doesn't describe one. I will have to make sure to add suit staining though.

For the closet/armoire :

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The one in the document is described as lacking locks, and it's unlikey to be glassed, but the silhouette is here.

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We are definitly looking at painted or polished wood and ornate handles, all with perhaps a royal or mythological motif. Since it's unlikely they had these precise ones, we can play with the pattern to have an easter egg. How about we have mandrake motifs, since they do have some floral patterns ? Yeah, mandrakes it is. Also, mandrake is an analgesic, so they could have comissioned a thing covered in motifs of analgesic plants. They could afford it. On this note, let's end the strictly-document part, shall we ?

subiysu-chan

Now, for the artistic liscence part of furnishing, things I want to add are :

-A chimney screen

-A wood pile

-Perhaps a cute vase ?

What museums have for chimney screens for late XVIIth, early XVIIIth century :

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For themes, we really have a mixt bag. Now, since it’s unlikely they had these precise pieces, we’d have to pull something from context. Most of them have some yellow in it, but that’s it for the commonalities. That leaves us with a lot of thematic liberties, so how about we have a hazel or birch rod, held together by colorful, decorative ribbon, and boardered by some bird cherry pattern. Yeah, something nice like that.

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The wood pile, I will search for references last minute. But…yeah.

With all of that visual interest, I don’t think we need a vase, honestly. Like…

For the lighting, I want something MTG inspired, as always, and quite grey to calm down the space, also more realistic for XVIIIth century Paris.

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Sanson, left most room of the ground floor of the main house

Sources :

-Z_1j_1045, Archives Nationales de France.

-Carbonnier, Youri, “Les maisons des ponts parisiens à la fin du XVIIIe siècle : étude d'un phénomène architectural et urbain particulier”, Histoire, Économie et Société, année 1989, 17-4, pp. 711-723

For my artistic lisence parts, I will use the online collections of the musée Carnavalet, Musée du louvre and the Ermitage Museum of Saint-Petersburg for items such as tiles, furniture and what not, as well as what ever articles I can find online.

Plans :

For the floor tiles, I’ll want some square ones for simplicity.

I found this neat memoir on Google Scholar :

Hamel, Deny, “Les modes de fabrication des terres cuites commune de production locale à Québec à la fin du XVIIème siècle”, Département d'Histoire et Lettres de l'Université de Laval, Québec, 2007,

According to Diderot’s “Encyclopédie”, the smaller version of it used in rooms was about 4 inches (pouce de Paris), so about 10.8 cm on each side (although, I think he talked about the hexagonal ones). Most extent ones in online antique shops are somewhat bigger, at around 12-16 cm. Still, one the small side. Which means I should keep them SMOL as I keep in mind proportions. Since these floor tiles would have been relatively new at the time, like, not centuries old, they would have rather bright terracotta color with some variation but not too much. I will keep them square for my sanity.

This room is said to have a chipped marble chimney with framing and an iron-cast plaque at the end of the hearth, as well as having two windows overlooking the garden. Near the chimney is a large closet with a vertical opening, and another one is near the door. I will draw the part near the chimney, since it’s probably the most visually interesting anyway.

Here’s a few examples of chimney stuff from the early XVIIIth centurie :


image
image
image

For these, only the bare bones of the chimney will be drawn, so the design will be simplified, as anything that isn’t strictly chimney won’t figure in the “strictly sourced” version, but I will keep the shape and silhouette. For the ornated parts on the sides, they do have a roman collumn motif, so I will have to ensure to keep that, and I must ensure a usable tablette since it’s what described in the document. No plaque at the hearth, because the document doesn’t describe one. I will have to make sure to add suit staining though.

For the closet/armoire :

image

The one in the document is described as lacking locks, and it’s unlikey to be glassed, but the silhouette is here.

image

We are definitly looking at painted or polished wood and ornate handles, all with perhaps a royal or mythological motif. Since it’s unlikely they had these precise ones, we can play with the pattern to have an easter egg. How about we have mandrake motifs, since they do have some floral patterns ? Yeah, mandrakes it is. Also, mandrake is an analgesic, so they could have comissioned a thing covered in motifs of analgesic plants. They could afford it. On this note, let’s end the strictly-document part, shall we ?

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bunniesandbeheadings
chaotic-history

there should be jstor wrapped. annas-archive wrapped. gallica wrapped. i wanna know what my top article is. what books have i cited the most times.

chaotic-history

'you spent 87 hours on gallica looking for items that do not exist. you told gallica to kill itself 15 times and threatened to kill yourself 16 times. you watched the website crash 104 times!'

chaotic-history

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because they hate everyone i think

bunniesandbeheadings
chaotic-history

there should be jstor wrapped. annas-archive wrapped. gallica wrapped. i wanna know what my top article is. what books have i cited the most times.

chaotic-history

'you spent 87 hours on gallica looking for items that do not exist. you told gallica to kill itself 15 times and threatened to kill yourself 16 times. you watched the website crash 104 times!'

chaotic-history

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because they hate everyone i think

djuvlipen

subiysu-chan asked:

The backlash against the support for Palestine is...beyond stupid. Of course people in the West will prioritize the attention on the genocide that is funded with their money. With the money that should go to : actual military defense of the country, healthcare, public services, help for local dissabled people, housing and so forth. Because even the most selfish of individuals will have an issue with having public money being put to fund war crimes in a foreign nation.

djuvlipen answered:

truee but western countries are also funding many other atrocities all over the globe (see the situation in congo for example) which i think is what many ppl who say “why are we talking so much about palestine and not about xyz other thing” are arguing. i still think they are wrong and grossly insensitive tho

djuvlipen

subiysu-chan asked:

The backlash against the support for Palestine is...beyond stupid. Of course people in the West will prioritize the attention on the genocide that is funded with their money. With the money that should go to : actual military defense of the country, healthcare, public services, help for local dissabled people, housing and so forth. Because even the most selfish of individuals will have an issue with having public money being put to fund war crimes in a foreign nation.

djuvlipen answered:

truee but western countries are also funding many other atrocities all over the globe (see the situation in congo for example) which i think is what many ppl who say “why are we talking so much about palestine and not about xyz other thing” are arguing. i still think they are wrong and grossly insensitive tho

subiysu-chan

I was not aware of the current Congo situation.

The people arguing for the why xyz tend to be pro-Israel.

opheliawildee asked:

Ok ok going off what we were talkin about yesterday cause that got me really thinking- thoughts on like fluff headcanons, mixed with that darker more bonechilling side bc lowkey combining the two just makes a more intense story

Merry Christmas!

Thanks for the ask. I have my own original work of Sanson fluff. I can send it to you through messages on the condition you don’t publish it as I would want to finish it before sending it to traditional publishing, preferably in Québec. (Original is in French).

My personal Innocent headcanons :

-They have a list of false names somewhere in the house, because…When you hire people, you expect them to work and not get punched in the face.

-Jean-Baptiste, Anne-Marthe and the butler are collaborating to keep the supplies of astringents steady. It’s very much needed.

-When André was still working for Jean-Baptiste, he had to pour 7 ice baths a year on average.

-Charles runs on herbal teas.

famille sanson

opheliawildee asked:

Ok ok ok my bff bought me Innocent 1st omnibus as a christmas gift and I’ve been rereading it like crazy

Lowkey thinking about how they would have went about aftercare bc violence was so normalized in the family, and Jean-Baptiste did hug Charles after wrecking his legs so they were somewhat affectionate

My guess is that most of it is purely medical, with probably stern remarks that : “This could have been avoided.”

I think Jean-Baptiste finds it easier to expression affection when his kids are either in pain or barely consious, since he can do so without appearing “weak”. But at the moment of hugging Charles, Jean-Baptiste is in parent panic mode…Like, he almost killed his precious baby boy. But also, Jean-Baptiste is capable of giving out “good boy” head pats and words of encouragement when his children behaves in the way he expect of them.

To be fair, these torture sessions are hella long. Like, it’s passed 2 AM, and the torture session would have begun at 8: 30 PM at the latest. Ouch ! My guess is that Jean-Baptiste “procrastinated” and offered Charles every chance to back off, and probably gave him a non-negociable correction for the temper tantrum. To be fair, he did almost burn down the table, so…A good thrashing might have been sound in this case specifically. I think Jean-Baptiste mostly uses the birch rod, martinets and restraints, and Anne-Marthe has her infamous spur of hell, but when serious rules are broken…It’s likely the boot is used. Caning was quite stigmatized in France at the time, and generally, executioners and torturers in real life were concerned about the “aesthetics” and keeping the punishments proper, so I doubt it would have been used on Charles.

That said, disciplining a fourteen year old is no easy task, and Charles-Henri is one that is constantly raised with borderline three opposite systems of values. No wonder this boy is confused and rebellious. My educated headcanon is that Jean-Baptiste has a “in Rome, do as the romans do” approach to parenting, as in he expects Charles to comply with the value system and rules of whatever authority figure he currently resides with and drop it the second he comes back home to follow his family’s rules, and ONLY his family’s rules. Jean-Baptiste seems to expect his son to suddenly stop considering being jeered at shameful when they are under his apprenticeship. About girls, my guess is that he expects that it’s perhaps not a good thing if they start caring for public opinion, and it’s unlikely they will ever marry a man who values it.

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