The voice change is an improvement.

No it isn't, they gave her some stock ditzy-ass voice done by a complete amateur.

same voice actor as far as i know

No it isn't. Both the actresses are blatantly different, in fact. Tabitha St. Germain would never put on such a phoned-in performance and Ashleigh Ball wouldn't give Dash such a lifeless tone.

Dash's eyes were also edited a bit in a couple scenes (changed angry eye/expression to worried eye/expression) so that could be the reason for it.

But yes, RD sounds like a wuss now.

who did the voice? i can't seem to find out who it is

Apparently two amateurs from Apple did the voices themselves.

I think you should be a little more careful about spreading information like this. That sounds ALL SORTS of illegal on Apple's part and I've seen no basis for that claim. The animation was also changed, and that's something that would have to be done in studio. Misinformation is probably part of what started this whole thing.

But it's clearly not the original actresses.

I'm not so sure; some actors can change their voices to a large degree and you'd never know it was the same person - While I agree that there seemed to be a lack of enthusiasm with the redone lines, but until someone actually finds out yea or nay, I wouldn't go saying it was different people altogether just for the sake of limiting the misinformation that's already out there now.

If anything, I think her lack of enthusiasm is probably from Ashleigh having to redo the lines. Normally the group gets together and does an episode so that they can feed off of each others' energy. Most likely they called her in, told her what they had to do, and (in my imagination) she was like, "Really?"

oxo

"I think you should be a little more careful about spreading information like this."

Are you kidding me?

The thought police is gonna come get him, is that it?

Bull

no, it's that misinformation tends to spread when there's no information, and you end up with people convinced that it's ___'s fault when it was just made up by some dude on FA

that's a weird choice...

oh BTW I found this and thought it might be interesting, pay specific interest to the last paragraph: http://kreoss.deviantart.com/journa.....erpy-287023334

(I can copy & paste if the link doesn't work)

Yeah, he says Derpy's not going anywhere, but just watch, she'll never be allowed to speak or be referred to by name again.

Link or GTFO!

It reminds me of Tails of 'The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog' and...ugh...Patrick Star from Spongebob!

Uh, I don't think we're thinking of the same voice here.

Oh. Ok.

No, it isn't.

It really, really isn't.

The voice quality is irrelevant to the post however.

I liked her old voice better. New voice makes her sound like a dumb blonde / ditz.

to be honest I think that was the original character design, hence her original name being Ditzy Doo, but honestly I think had they not changed everything else about the scene it woulda been fine, because I didn't mind the voice swap for derpy, she sounded a bit cuter if you ask me :P, but to change the entire scene is just completely unnecessary.

Her name was never Ditzy Doo.

^What he said, her name was never Ditzy Doo. Allow me to explain...

"Ditzy Doo" was never meant to be Derpy. It was just that pegasus mentioning an off-screen pegasus that was never seen.

Lauren then responded to people asking about this "Ditzy" person and said that if, IF they were to ever use Derpy in the show, they might, might, MIGHT consider using the name "Ditzy Doo" for her.

But they never did.

"Ditzy Doo" was never her name, yet fanatics still clung to the name for whatever reason. (And even now they still do..."Oh, Derpy is just her nickname! her real name is Ditzy!" jesus christ, people.)

Actually, Ditzy did end up shown--and her character model was a greatly modified Derpy. So in a way, they did technically use Derpy's design, as Lauren said.

Either way, yeah, Derpy's name was, is and never will be Ditzy Doo.

actually lauren faust did make note at one point that during and interview that she had considered the name ditzy doo for derpy, but with the wide spread love for the name derpy by the fans she decided to adopt the name derpy hooves to the character instead, I remember reading the whole interview on Equestria Daily.

That's sure not what I read, but whatever.

well you know what? it was officially stated by the writer of the episode that "derpy" was a shoutout to the people and her real intended name is in fact Ditzy doo... so how about that now? =)

i guess its easier to assume and say something imagined is fact than wait for the official statement.

Her intended name by that one writer, who probably assumed the same idiotic shit everyone else who thought that was her name did. The rest of the production team had been using "Derpy" even before that, to the point of the Canadian half of the animation team exclusively using "Derpy" for her character files and Lauren Faust exclusively using "Derpy" after it caught on. So how about that now?

So how about "Derpy" was a placeholder name since we know that "background ponies" receive no names and Derpy definitely was one before the author chose her to give her a major role and therefore decided her name to be "Ditzy Doo", which doesn't change at all, since to call her "Derpy" was a late change exclusively for the shout out and nothing else. How dare for someone officially working for the show to decide a canon name that isn't compatible with the view of the world of some fans who think that fanon should always dictate canon and not the other way around.

"to call her "Derpy" was a late change exclusively for the shout out and nothing else."

No, sorry, but it wasn't. They were using it before that episode was even written. ONE WRITER wanted to name her Ditzy Doo. AFTER most of the production team had adopted "Derpy".

They were talking about "Derpy" the same way fans did, but before they adopted that name they also used names like Stoneface, Bubbles, Bubblehead and the likes, all of them non canon placeholder names for a character without an official name to that date.

Yeah, 1/4 of the team was using other names all the way in the Phillipines. Derpy was used by the majority, and pretty much no other name was used. Lauren herself even flat-out stated pretty early on that they were likely to just let her be Derpy to please the fans who discovered her in the first place.

I'm not speaking any more about this, so you might as well let it go.

Much agreed!!!

It wouldn't piss me off so much if the new voiceovers weren't HORRIBLE in quality, and if they had left her eyes alone. The lack of a name would be fine. We all know her name anyhow. But she was always wall-eyed, even before the show named her (and gave her a male's voice on accident).

But the horrible, HORRIBLE quality of that new voiceover. It sounds so unprofessional and fan-done. AUGH.

I agree with this; the other changes were less tolerable due to the horrible new voice. A more feminine voice would be fine for Derpy, but the redub gave her a generic voice which does nothing to set her apart from any other pony or give her "character".

Even Rainbow's lines sounded cheaply done, like Ashleigh wasn't even trying.

I don't think it even WAS Ashleigh.

Another good point... it was like listening to a cheap imitation D:

I think I could've probably let slide deleting the reference to her name. Then they could say "well it was a legal thing" and no one would be the wiser.

The whole combination was overkill though.

Well, Hasbro just lost my respect.

Hasbro didn't make the change, Apple did. Hasbro actually fought against the suggestion of change.

Did Apple change the animation and do the terrible voice-overs? Hasbro really didn't need to bend over and be Apple's bitch over one character.

Yes, actually. If Hasbro wanted to do the voiceovers, they would've had Ashleigh Ball and Tabitha St. Germain redo it themselves. Note that Dash sounds nothing like she normally does in the redone clip--it's definitely not Ashleigh.

If that's true, I'd burn all of my Apple products. If I had any.

Source, please? Equestria Daily would eat it up.

Well, the bit about Hasbro opposing the change seems to be common knowledge, I heard of that through word of mouth.

IE, it isn't true. Gossip is usually false.

you sir won the award for rumor champion.

You say as if

A. I started it

and

B. I was the only one who believed this.

I'm not believing this until I see definitive evidence for it. Otherwise, as you mentioned, it's all just well spread rumors. I'd be shocked if this were true.

Apple didn't do it...a lot of the animation was changed as well.

Apple might have REQUESTED it, but they didn't make the changes themselves.

Not alot really, I'm sure even they can manage to make the simple, lazy edits made here.

Changing eyes is "lazy edits" ?

http://i.imgur.com/MiY9S.png
http://i.imgur.com/uIVqb.png

As well as un-derping Derpy's eyes for most of the scene.

If "Apple" did this, then hot damn, they got some good video editors.

Holy shit, I didn't even notice the changes to RD.

In any case, there shouldn't be any hatred or anger being spewed towards Hasbro/The Hub/iTunes for this. (I'm disappointed in those companies, yes, but they're doing what they think is good for business/PR, and it's hard to fault a business for thinking of the bottom line.) I'm more upset with the people who forced this change to begin with -- but even then, they deserve "love and tolerance" as much as Derpy supporters.

Those who offended by Derpy had no God-given right to "not be offended", but their feelings were hurt all the same. I'm upset with this change -- it's tantamount to censorship -- but rather than spend my time being "pitchfork mob" angry about it, I'd rather learn if those who were offended by Derpy find this to be a suitable change (and why they wanted her changed in the first place).

Derpy was different, unique, special (and not in the "retarded" way). This edit stripped Derpy of her "character" and turned her into a generic background pony -- and all because a small group of people didn't want their feelings hurt.

Derpy might be offensive to someone, but censorship should be offensive to everyone.

They wanted her changed because they're the typical oversensitive asses who think a certain group will be offended, thus they themselves are offended somehow. Note, meanwhile, that not one actual disabled person spoke out against Derpy. And that "derp" is in no way an ableist slur.

what really happened was that the writer of the episode got a few hate mails and she was shocked about the fact that "derp" was often also related to "retarded" she herself has a disabled son and she was deeply disappointed that she used a name that was related to a word she would never even use knowingly. She also stated that she spoke a long time with hasbro what should be done, this was not an easy decision for any of them. Although i don't agree fully on the changes i can understand them.

as for your claims that apple had to do with it. well _bullshit_ sorry it was hasbro's decision from the start, and they actually asked the animator team what to do.. it was not just a decision over the heads of people.

- what really happened was that the writer of the episode got a few hate mails

Exactly, she let like 10 out of over 200 emails make a decision for her.

- she was shocked about the fact that "derp" was often also related to "retarded"

"Often"? No, it's SOMETIMES related to "retarded" by numbnuts who think that's what it means.

- she herself has a disabled son

Who was not offended, nor was she.

- she spoke a long time with hasbro what should be done

Here's what they could've done. Tell those 10 people to cram it up their asses, like Archie comics did to the thousands of bigots protesting their recent gay marriage storyline.

Lol, good find, I didn't even catch that the first time.

Proof, please. If you're going to say stuff like that, back it up sir.

Really the only "proof" is that there's nothing to prove it wrong. So far, the edited episode is only on iTunes. We don't know if The Hub will be airing the episode edited or un-edited, so until then, we don't really know who is to "blame" for this.

If one is going to make a claim, then one needs evidence to support it. Just because it is on itunes is not evidence enough to go around, claiming Apple did the alterations.

His claims are unfounded, he has no proof.

How about the fact that it's only the iTunes version that's edited, Hasbro wanted to keep the scene unchanged, and the new voices are clearly cheap imitations?

That's not solid evidence. That is all circumstantial evidence at best. Do you have any PROOF that Hasbro didn't want to change the scene? Do you have any PROOF that Hasbro themselves didn't do the alterations?

Has the episode been aired on the HUB since the original airing? Since the edit showed up on iTunes?

Show something with substance.

The original is still available on the Hub's website. Hasbro themselves don't even actively work on the show, plus they just released a DVD with the scene unedited on it. The production team has no intention of "correcting" Derpy in future episodes.

The fact that the DVD was mailed out means it could have been pressed BEFORE the incident broke out over Derpy.

Can you prove that the original is still on the site? And there's evidence that says that it WAS Hasbro, as an actual animator mentioned how he wasn't happy with the changes made.

...Okay, SERIOUSLY? You can't go and look for yourself? And, what, an animator mentioning he wasn't happy with the changes automatically means Hasbro did it?

IF he's working for Hasbro, yes.

And YOU have to PROVE YOUR CASE; I don't have to do jack to your benefit. I can go look *MYSELF*, but you want people to believe you and take you seriously? Back it up.

Which he's not. He's part of the show's studio's Philipines animation team.

And no, I don't have to prove shit in this case--it's a site anyone can go to and see for themselves what I'm talking about, so if they want their proof, they can go right ahead and look at it. I don't play the "fetch me a specific link from a mainstream site I could easily take a look at for myself or it didn't happen" game.

You have the burden of proof, sir. Just because anyone CAN go there, does not mean that you do not have to show it, to link it, to PROVE what you say.

Frankly, I'm not convinced by what you claim, you have proven NOTHING. The animator for the animation team has more weight than you do. If we were in a court of law, you'd be getting the same.

PROVE your case, or stop spouting off.

I HAVE TWENTY PENISES, YOU CAN'T PROVE IT WRONG THEREFORE IT'S TRUE

OH SHIT I'M FUCKED

Even better was some dumbass on YouTube who was also saying that it's all Apple's fault, and refused to back up his claim, telling me that it was "common knowledge" and that I need to go find a source for his statement myself.

Yep, you heard right, when you make a claim, it's the other person's job to back it up!

lol, well yeah, that's what I was getting at. He's been all over this submission claiming it was Apple's doing; but there's no evidence it was He should either back it up or at the VERY least mark it as a theory, instead of as a fact.

Veiled drug references. *nod*

I want those drugs.

I'm still perplexed at the extraordinary upset at what is essentially a bone thrown to a bunch of fans well outside the cartoon's target demo. But the internet is like a gorilla. Watch it. Know it. But don't try to dance with it.

I personally saw some upset, but not a lot of it was extraordinary. This strikes me as a case of just a few people going out of their way to make it sound like the anger levels are WAY higher than they actually were, and others reacting with "why is everyone here a hater?" I saw more of this than I saw actual hate.

I didn't see much either, just a very slight glimpse. I figured if they edited an available episode, the backlash must have been substantial. Or maybe they made a correction based on their own preferences. Who knows?

http://knightspendid.tumblr.com/pos.....tle-pony-right

From what I gather, a minority of people complained about Derpy's portrayal on the episode.
So in Hasbro common sense, the listen to the minority rather the majority of people who love Derpy, even the disable kids loved it.

I think Hasbro was trying to play it safe, but not surprised, it backfired, badly.

I love the title of that post. I wonder what American grammar will be like in 10 years.

But yeah, that's pretty much the short version of my argument. Except I'm going further and guessing that most of the people that complained weren't themselves offended.

i think the funny part is the part of the rant i stopped on said" a pony who's too stupid to work" or something like that, but derpy has a freaking job! she does work! she's not too stupid for a job. people without tolerance are what ruins it for others..

Rainbow Dash still calls her derpy, and the eyes are slightly derpy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxpRpVnAl1o

That's not the official changed version. That's a fan edit done by inlaying the new voice with Dash's original dialogue track and the original animation.

That's apparently an edit of the two versions put together.

That's just retarded.

The new voice is okay. I like the older one better though.

I dont think fans are gonna be too upset over the voice. but over the edits of the whole scene like this... not being called "derpy" and eyes less derpy.... wtf? -_-;

I couldn't help but notice RD's redone lines seemed to have a lot less feeling in them. Dunno if that was because of direct edits they made to her lines or the VA redoing them completely, but if the latter it's possible we aren't the only ones disappointed.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I don't think quality control was their top priority here. Though it would be interesting if Ashleigh Ball was legitimately not enthusiastic about the whole thing either, lol.

I doubt any VA would be terribly enthusiastic about dubbing a scene post-production.

It'll look and sound like crap and everyone involved knows it.

I'd still like to know when the word, 'derpy', was officially given a definition and added to the Webster's Dictionary.

It's honestly a buncha white soccer moms who don't watch their kids but complain and ruin every thing

In other words, Social Justice posters from Tumblr.

Since I'll all about equal-rights, I'm gonna say it. You are a racist! "White soccer moms", really??

Back on topic:

I love the new voice, I hated the dumb der-der voice, it was annoying, like fingernails on a chalk-board, I started skipping that part of the episode! I also never cared for the name "derpy", if anything they should have went with what Lauren Faust thought might be fitting, Ditzy Doo.

LAUREN DID NOT CHOOSE DITZY DOO AS DERPY'S NAME. DITZY DOO WAS NEVER HER NAME.

And what the fuck, her original voice was like nails on a chalkboard, but not the loud, phoned-in, dumb blonde voice that sounded insincere and forced and lacked any charm or individuality whatsoever?

^Like

Damn u mad bro

Your name is all over this journal. It's an unimportant change in a stupid cartoon, chill your titties.

but the official scriptwriter did choose that name for her very early on , and the name would have been shown if the team would not have come to her and said "we want a shout-out to the bronies with the name derpy" so what now? =)

granted that information was just released a few days ago. but hey. honestly? its a good feeling that this case is finally closed :P

It was still after everyone else had chosen "Derpy". She wanted to use it, they told her to use what they wanted instead. So yeah. Case closed.

Not racists at all, but the fact is it is all soccer moms who don't take care of their children and think EVERY LIL THING is gonna poison them , same thing they did to the cookie monster :/ veggies ? oh please , and derpys original voice was AWESOME it was just what every one was expecting , she was really a pony made by the fans when a slight animation fuck up happened so yeah WHITE SOCCER MOMS because first off it is about 90% of the type of moms who do this because of fear it will send a wrong message taking anything good up the butt so I stand by what I said , every one " fan based character DERPY " was named by the fans she probly wasn't even a real character till the FANS gave her life ,
and alot of people agree that her original air voice was spot on and love for her sky rocket-ted if this was not true then there wouldn't be sucha big mess about changing her voice? would it? yeah.

Damn u mad bro

Your name is all over this journal. It's an unimportant change in a stupid cartoon, chill your titties.

WHAT WE KNOW: The episode was pulled, then put back up with shoddy editing done.
WHAT WE DON'T KNOW: Why?
FUN FACT: Tabitha St. Germain (who voiced Derpy) actually thought she was voicing a GUY pony, which is why Derpy sounds so... derpy. Or in other words, TABBIE DONE DERPED. Lawl.

What we don't know could fill Applejack's barn, lol.

I watched The Last Roundup today on my cable's On Demand service, and the Derpy scene wasn't changed.

The change is in the iTunes version, and possibly future reruns of The Last Roundup on The HUB

Apparently Hub reruns won't be affected.

Let's wait and see.

That should tell who's actually responsible for this.

See, that's just adding to my confusion, and probably to the Apple theory. The DVD coming out this week also has the unedited Derpy scene if the review copies are anything to go by. If it turns out that Apple was the cause then I'd gladly redirect a portion of my hate to them (Hasbro would still get some for bowing down), but it would strike me as just so unusual.

WTH has lowes got to do with this? *curious*

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/de.....uslim-20111213

Lowes did something similar by pulling their ads from a show about Muslims in America because of a small group threatening to boycott because essentially "Muslims are no good!" They got quite the backlash over it. It's all about caving in to a vocal minority.

Ah, I see the connection now.

I think the original derpy scene was really terribly done. There was nothing loveable about the character they put on screen, and RD's reactions to her were not those of loving and tolerating the shit out of her.

The brony fandom fell in love with a clumsy but endearing mailpony, not a inept and annoying slapstick character.

Except the fandom only ASSUMED she was a mailpony, for one thing, for another, she isn't inept, she's really trying to help out, and for another still, when has Dash been known for keeping a cool head about something like that?

It wasn't assumed she was a mailpony. The mailpony role was a creation of the fan community.

My point is that the brony created version of Derpy is 100x better than the canon version we were eventually presented with.

^this.

I respect that opinion, and I do know some people weren't all that happy about it. But the big question is: Were YOU so upset about it that you would ask Hasbro to go back, spend time and money, and edit the whole scene because of it?

I was dissapoint, but I wasn't offended or outraged. Really, I'm more disapppoint in the second season in general, as it seems to have lost a lot of the magic and personality that made the first season so enjoyable.

I'd have to agree. I disliked the voice from the beginning (and the new is no improvement). Rainbow Dash was being... herself. I don't understand why they paired Derpy with Rainbow Dash, given her personality. It just wasn't a good choice.

dash is always a cunt

no one should change even one bit of this pony

Doesn't make sense to alter anything from the episode. Derpy/Ditzy sounded fricking CUTE and being called Derpy by Rainbow Dash of all ponies fit a good indication of it possibly being a nickname. I'm lucky I didn't see the damage done since I don't have a iTunes account.

Speaking of cute by the way, love the pic! X3

Man the rampant rumor mongering and "I heard it by word of mouth so it's gotta be true" coming off ElCid is toxic. :V

Also, if I may direct everyone's attention to the phenomenon that has felled Derpy Hooves before she even left the stage: http://www.journalfen.net/community.....dom/10611.html

Rampant rumor-mongering? Because I mentioned one thing?

And seriously, anyone who thinks "derp" is in and of itself a horrible ableist slur needs to get real.

"Well, the bit about Hasbro opposing the change seems to be common knowledge, I heard of that through word of mouth"

"Apparently two amateurs from Apple did the voices themselves."

"Yes, actually. If Hasbro wanted to do the voiceovers, they would've had Ashleigh Ball and Tabitha St. Germain redo it themselves. Note that Dash sounds nothing like she normally does in the redone clip--it's definitely not Ashleigh."

RE: No, apple didn't physically do the edits themselves - "Not alot really, I'm sure even they can manage to make the simple, lazy edits made here."

Yes, RAMPANT rumor-mongering.

Uh, no, sounds to me like bits of all the exact same story.

Oh well I guess that excuses you asserting all that misinformation like it's fact, excuse me then.

Carry on.

It's sure as fuck looking more and more like fact.

ONLY THE ITUNES VERSION RECEIVED ANY EDITS AT ALL.

sad, but it's one thing to be expected from a company that wants to make toys out of all the named cast (hell, anyone else surprised by a Nightmare Moon toy? Villain toys, in MLP of all things!).

Derpy Hooves probably just doesn't have the best marketability to parents (while it would probably sell better to bronies and pegasisters) they most likely wanted to get as much of the character under their rights as possible. The complete lack of a name can mean one of two things; they haven't decided on a name for her yet, or they haven't gotten Derpy a trademark lol

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/.....om-kreoss.html

I support this post

haha so much rage for such a little thing XD

As she was Derpy was cool.

Unfortunately now that this group of complainers know that the production company will respond this way to every ache and complaint, I suspect they will be on the look out for any original, quirky and genuinely interesting character and any apparently assumed double meanings that accompany them. Bland characters ahoy!

(Just because you can assign a double meaning to something doesn't mean that it's hateful.)

Oh well. :3

I'm wagering next to go will eventually be Lyra and Bonbon because how dare they have characters who seem to be a veiled lesbian couple.

Or Zecora cause she's offensive to African-Americans.

Don't really know what's going on, but I hope that if she is named on screen again they decide to go with Ditzy Doo. Wasn't realy a fan of the name Derpy. Ditzy just sounds better.

Ditzy was never going to be her name and now never will be. And Ditzy is actually MORE offensive--"ditz" is a word used to call a woman stupid.

Ditzy Doo was a name mentioned in season one. Plus chances are if Lauren Faust was still as involved as she was back then Ditzy would have been her name. She even said so when talking about the character last year.
So I was a little disappointed they went with Derpy. But because of this mess that some over sensitive busy body started I'm just hoping they rename he to a name that was already mention that doesn't have a character and is still a very plausible and fan favorite name.

No, Lauren even stated that "Derpy" was reserved for the at-that-point-nameless background character. And considering Lauren, the actresses, everyone on the production team, Hub and Hasbro all use "Derpy", her name's not going anywhere, they just probably won't be allowed to say it anymore on the show.

Well I guess we can agree to disagree, but if she's never going to be called by name on screen again, then Ditzy Door is still plausible for fans that like that name better.

Except it already got used. See, Lauren mentioned they'd use Derpy's design for Ditzy if she was ever shown. lo and behold, she is shown and appears with Derpy's character model with altered hair and eyes and a vest. So yeah.

When was this?

She was seen leading the birds back.

Your just grasping at staws now. Last time I checked background characters and their fan name she wasn't even there. Plus Ditzy Doo was lost somewhere in the south in the episode. That's why the migrating birds were late in the first place.
Plus despite this whole fiasco the name Derpy and Ditzy still refer to the same character.
So again, if she is called out by name again I HOPE they choose Ditzy Doo. It's a justified hope because of this mess anyway.

No it's not. Her name isn't being changed, so you might as well get used to the fact that her name is Derpy and was pretty much always intended to be.

No it wasn't. That name was only adopted because some fans liked it. It wasn't even one of her original names the creaters originally nicknamed herself, whereas Ditzy was. So since Ditzy was already mentioned on the show, it was one of her original names and because of this whole mess the hope that they change her name is a real possibility, a good compromise, and still very justified.
If you chooses to reply again just know that I won't. I've come to realise you one of those type of people who always has to have the last word no matter how weak it is, and thus can't realy be spoken to. Have a goid day.

Yeah, and before that, she was nameless with no plans to be named. As soon as "Derpy" came up, Lauren reserved that name for that background pony. And no, get over it, they will not be changing her name. One of the show's animators said themselves, this affects nothing, except that she likely won't be having any major scenes from now on.

I really promised my self I wouldn't do this but your really just grasping at nothing.
Lauren did not, as you put it, reserve derpy to that charater. The way everyone remembers it is that she said if the character was ever named it might be Ditzy. A name that already exist in the show. At that time derpy was still just a fan name.
So please just stop. I'm beginning to feel embarrassed for you.

Grasping at nothing. Uh huh. Sure. And no, she actually explicitly said she'd likely have them keep the character "Derpy" simply because everyone liked the name so much. A name she now canonically has. Permanently. So learn to deal with the fact that her name is fucking Derpy.

her name is Ditzy doo!
read: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/.....-to-derpy.html

quote:

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When I first wrote this episode, the character under such harsh scrutiny was named Ditzy Doo. We had already established in previous episodes that she was clumsy (she is not the pony you want on your moving crew). And we named her Ditzy Doo thinking of her as a being a bit dingy.

The scene I wrote was originally longer and had a flashback explaining exactly what Ditzy Doo had done to damage Town Hall. She and Rainbow Dash were "Bucking Bolts" out of the clouds during a storm. Ditzy Doo was bucking too close to Ponyville central. Rainbow kept trying to yell over the noisy bucking for Ditzy to move away from town. But Ditzy could not hear her and thought that Rainbow was complimenting her for her great buck bolting. Ditzy then hit Town Hall with a bolt. And, thus, the damage.

For the second draft, I was asked to change Ditzy's name to Derpy as a "tip of the hat" to the fans. So, not knowing that Derpy meant anything beyond klutzy and clumsy, I did as requested And then I was finished with this episode.

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Quote it as many times as you want, her name is Derpy, which was chosen by everyone else before this woman even decided to use Ditzy. The name "Derpy" came up months before the episode was written. Sorry 'bout that.

You are right about the fanon name, inofficially, the name came on pretty early after the character was spotted. But officially that name was adopted last minute for the shoutout and shortly before for a non canon ad by the HUB. And the association between Ditzy and Derpy goes back to Lauren Faust herself, so sorry 'bout that.

No no no, again, Lauren said they MAY use Ditzy as the name, but then just as quickly decided to reserve "Derpy" because she cares about the online fandom so much.

She said she wouldn't want to step on the fans love for Derpy, there never was a statement about reserving that name for that character.

Uh huh, cause pretty much stating early on "We'll let her be Derpy in honour of those who discovered her" and then never using any name but "Derpy" for her is totally not a confirmation of canon status reservation.

Again, I'm done with this discussion.

Actually zemi2357 is quite right. Lauren said she would assign Derpys Design to Ditzy, if she ever had to appear onscreen. She obviously said that after said episode because that when the name "Ditzy Doo" first appeared. And also she said "when the character ever need to be shown", so no plotrelevant pony in that episode carried that name and certainly not the Derpy recolor that managed to finally retrieve the birds since it's kind of obvious that this was a different pony send out to correct Ditzy's mistake, since Twilight now organized all the teams. and before you can say "But Derpy was seen in the background, so she clearly couldn't be Ditzy", Derpy was even multiple times in the background in one shot, because she was a reused background pony back then and was cloned a few times like some other background ponies too.

It is highly likely that Derpy would be adressed "Ditzy" the next time, she has to be called by name onscreen, if that ever should happen again.

Also the argument that the name "Derpy" now sticks forever to a character who's name was explicitly edited out and to say it stays her name even if it never could be used onscreen forever again doesn't make sense at all.

Yeah, it does stick, because the animators and Lauren and pretty much everyone else involved have used the name behind the scenes long enough for it to be official. The Canadian animators were using "derpy" for months before Last Roundup was even written.

There is a difference between using a certain designation offscreen and an official in-universe canonical character name.

Jesus christ. People are still trying to argue this?

"Ditzy Doo" was never meant to be Derpy. It was just that pegasus mentioning an off-screen pegasus that was never seen.

Lauren then responded to people asking about this "Ditzy" person and said that if, IF they were to ever use Derpy in the show, they might, might, MIGHT consider using the name "Ditzy Doo" for her.

But they never did.

"Ditzy Doo" was never her name, yet fanatics still clung to the name for whatever reason. (And even now they still do...)

And the fact that you're resorting to insulting him isn't helping your case, btw.

uh, when she did those sketch auctions she called the derpy one "derpy"

Actually, for those auction sketchs she used both names. As in Ditzy 'Derpy Hooves' Doo. At least that's from what I read.

I'm... pretty sure "ditz" or "ditzy" is synonymous with "airhead", actually. I mean, there's a LOT worse things you could call a girl than "ditzy". :P

I believe this here will explain it well. http://writtenwaiver.tumblr.com/pos.....e-for-the-most

I understand the point of view of the post, but always "playing it safe" is just as dangerous. How would you feel if JCPenney "played it safe" and just dumped Ellen because they didn't want to offend people who think that gays are the devil? If everyone played it safe like Lowes, then anyone trying to make a show about "Maybe not all Muslims are bad?" will get shut down and chased off. It's an indirect assault on First Amendment rights by people that know exactly what they're doing, and corporations are just playing along.

The "for kids and parents of kids" argument doesn't sit well with me. I'll be the first to tell anyone that I am just a big kid--but I'm also a parent. Granted, I don't know many bronies who are also parents, but I also don't know many parents who would find things like Derpy even remotely insulting or offensive. Explain 60+ years of cartoon characters like Goofy, Patrick, Sylvester, etc. I understand corporations wanting to protect their assets, but quite frankly, If you can build a franchise around a talking sponge and his best friend being a brainless starfish, I don't see why anyone would need to change anything about MLP. It represents a double standard--it's okay for guys to be stupid but when you want to empower strong female characters or some shit they shouldn't look different or sound stupid...

On the other side of the Internet, you have the fact that Derpy was created by the fans to begin with. She became the mascot of the peripheral fan base, that Hasbro wasn't even aware of until late last year, even though we've been partly responsible (emphasis on "partly") for the Hub's ratings and toy sales boosts. The character was thrown into the show by the show creators--not the toy company--as a nod from the writers and animators and Jayson saying "we're one of you." The show runners slipped this little message right through Hasbro's approval process without them even knowing what it was. In the end, it's still Hasbro's property. Even if the show runners like and are part of the extra fan base, they don't own the property itself.

As a fan, I hope Hasbro changes their mind and lets the animators do continue letting the fans know they're listening. But I'm also going to say that, in spite of Hasbro, the reason I'm a fan of the show is because of everything that's already happened, every episode that was written and animated from several months to a year before it aired. Before I was a fan, the show was already finished. They didn't have to change anything to make me a fan, and as a fan, I hope they continue making the show the same they have been, regardless of what the opinion of a fan is.

See, the deal is...

It's ONLY changed on itunes.

It's intact on the hub's website, and it's intact in the DVD's.

So I think it's just Apple being Apple.

I'd like for that to be the case because then it would be kind of easier to put the puzzle together. Is there any evidence that Apple has done this in the past?

I'd also hope for this to be the case. :3

We'll have to wait until it airs on TV again. If the original episode airs, then yes, this is just some dumb thing that Apple is doing.

Well if it helps, that episode is still shown on Hubs (aka kids) on demand, and it's still the original version.

But it's yet to air again since its original air date, kinda strange.

Don't forget that the DVDs were likely pressed and shipped to distribution centers before the edits went live. It'd cost too much to recall the DVDs, so they're getting shipped as-is. I dunno if you know how expensive stampers are for injection molding, but it would be prohibitively expensive to replace a series of stampers to reissue a disk for one edit. Hasbro may be willing to lose money selling something mildly offensive instead of losing money destroying product.

What would be more telling is the second production run of the same DVD.

I think the problem was that some trolls latched on the dissenting opinions pushed forward by the likes of Yamino and KnightSplendid/louderthanmelody who love to proclaim that the name/term Derpy is offensive somehow and for the sake of political correctness, that term should be removed and displays of characters with Derpy traits should be modified to conform to normalcy.

HAH! Im glad i have the original airing saved! XD

Tho i didnt like the voice they originally gave her, she sounded like she had downs syndrome, on the other hand i havent heard the alternate voice but i always pictured her having more of an airheaded voice (pun?) anyway.

"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." Haven't seen the edited version, and frankly if someone felt it needed to be edited, I'm not gonna complain. Why? It's a children's show about ponies aimed primarily at young girls. Just cause I also happen to watch it doesn't mean I need to get up in arms over some changes made to a fan favorite character. Someone had a reason and I don;t care enough to argue over whether the why was worth it or not.

"It's a children's show about ponies aimed primarily at young girls."

Everyone who works on the show begs to differ.

Who is Hasbro mainly trying to sell the toys to? Who is the original target audience for the show?

For this version of the show in particular? EVERYONE. Lauren Faust despises when shows try to segregate viewers and act like certain lessons and themes and characters are only to be viewed and loved by certain people.

You're kind of missing my point I feel. When originally pitched, did Hasbro go "Oh hey, we should market this to everyone." Or were they like, "We want this to be aimed at where we were aiming all our previous long-form commercials for pony toys, at little girls." I of course have no evidence they did plan to market this show primarily to girls, but I don't know what Lauren Faust or anyone else working on the show says. I just watch the show. I don't normally participate in the community, mostly because tiny things like this tend to explode, and there are a number of abrasive fanboys/girls that vehemently defend every little thing they like about the show and shove it down your face. Years from now are you still gonna care as much that they changed her voice/edited the segment? I know I won't.

Hasbro surely intended to aim at little girls, but Lauren Faust managed by trying to entertain the whole family to reach so much more people.

In the grand scheme of things, you're almost right. Hey, it's just a kids' show. What's all the commotion. But this is just a small symptom of a problem that's growing all the time. I know a couple of morning radio hosts here who do a comedy show. They joke about pretty much everything. But every once in a while you can hear the seriousness in their voice when they say "One of these days we're probably gonna be taken off the air, and they won't tell you why. And it'll be because someone who probably doesn't even listen to the show heard something that offended them and amassed an army to shut us down." I've heard some of their stuff already get edited, or taken down and never reposted. I've heard people on the air ask "Hey what happened to that one song you guys did? That was hilarious!" only to reply "What song? According to our lawyers we never made a song like that!"

You don't have to draw the line at a girl's cartoon show, but I choose to, because I've seen more than my fair share "OMG, a show about muslims/gays/Chaz Bono? They're all evil, get them off TV!!!" bullshit.

Okay, there you have a point. People get offended over the stupidest stuff, and I do tend to believe that if no one is getting offended at all, you're doing it wrong. Then it's too boring. But in terms of whether or not we get much say in if changes get made...honestly, we don't. Unless we pour tons of money into it, we get very little say indeed. We may try to influence it, but money talks, and the fear of losing it because someone is offended sadly has more influence than someone who isn't paying anything into it but shouting very loudly how they don't care if anyone is offended as long as it remains as is.

Sure, I care about the show. I just don't care about the edit and wanted to comment on how silly it seemed so many were getting up in arms over it.

Enlighten me and I may need to consider changing my opinion. What is unjustified about it?

I still don;t get it. What's unjustified about it? Someone complained. That's more than enough justification if you're running programming you'd like to be sure continues to perform well. Doesn't matter whether the complaints were sincere or not, someone in charge said "Shit, they're unhappy about it, we gotta fix it now cause there must be many more upset about it," and edited it.

Unfair to those that like the original version? Of course. Unjustified? Hardly. Not to mention you are only using one example, and I very highly doubt one person or even their small group of compatriots would equal enough complaints to warrant an actual edit. Somewhere out there enough people were butthurt over her original portrayal to complain and warrant a change.

Still, what you are trying to imply is it is the fault of a single individual. I cannot believe in any way, shape, or form, that it is all the fault of a single individual. No reasonable company is going to put even minimal effort into editing something like that for one butthurt person. And I understand you are saying she did it to be a jerk, but still, that doesn't mean she is the primary cause. Your evidence is conjectural at best.

I feel a bit betrayed. She's the embodiment of the brony community...

lol

This...this is an absolute outrage, not only for cartoon connoisseurs everywhere, but for the Brony community's philosophy of love, harmony and friendship! And I'm pretty sure that Lauren Faust is going to get swamped with complaints on DA, and that Yamino is going to get swamped with brutal thrashings on DA.

I made and submitted my reaction to the problem on #

Lauren had nothing to do with it.

I know that, I'm just talking about the fans harassing her about it.

I sometimes wonder how many grey hairs she gets from dealin' with 'em.

Agreed. The same goes for the rest of the staff. When I heard Sibsy was getting on twitter, I literally cringed.

And yeah, this is why I hate fandoms

They can't be that bad. I think it's just 'cause the obnoxious fantards get more attention than the real fans. Not all fans are slavering dickheads, ya know.

Except for Juggalos, they can burn in Tartarus so many times over.

Hey, not all of them are bad.

Not from what I heard. Also, I knew one in Junior High and High School who was a real dickhead to me.

I know some who are good.

Plus there's Gamzee from Homestuck.

You mean the worst character from Homestuck?

Even if he wasn't, how is a fictional alien a good counter example to the general abrasive and cult like nature of real life juggalos?

It was a joke example, and he's not the worst character at all.

Point there.

I mean, I guess I'm really part of the fandom myself (got tshirts and a rarity figure), and while I'm actually seething at certain parts of the fandom, be it those that claim to be fans and yet called for Derpy's change (like Yamino) and those blinded by the rage that end up targeting the wrong people altogether (those spamming Faust's and Sibsy's pages), I still try to get some composure and not post something stupid on the internet.

Nobody wants to be associated with the more unbearable parts of any fandom. But it's always hard for outsiders to distinguish a clever fan from an obsessive fanatic. But trying to get some somposure surely helps. That's always the right thing to do.

I believe it was because of all the massive complaining about her >.> some people smh

this is why we can't have nice things....

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/.....ified.html?m=1

I personally like the new voice better than the other one, but it's still not the very best they could've done. The voice before was really boyish because of a mistake Tabitha made, and it made her sound mentally handicapped and slow... which I believe Derpy is neither. BaldDumboRat on Youtube does a much better job at a Derpy voice than the other voice actors. (in my opinion) The new voice is better, but I really don't get 'derpy' and lovable from it, I get dumb blond.
I don't understand the entire situation with the name being offending and the Apple corporation but if anyone's offended by the term derpy, then that's their own fault for being so extremist about it. Derpy isn't derogatory, it's more synonymous with 'lovingly silly' than 'retarded'.

Regardless if the name and her eyes are ~officially~ changed or censored, I'm going to continue to draw her the way she's supposed to be. Without her eyes, she wouldn't have been noticed, and the name we gave her is an endearing one.

I like your response the best. :3

Nothing's being changed. One of the shows animators even said they have absolutely no intention of un-derping her eyes or changing her name.

I was just being cautious, we can't accurately predict what will happen through rumors and quotes. It's not just one person deciding it. :3 Thanks for the info though.

The original had really grown on me.
The new one is okay but less endearing.

I'm not personally a fan of this show, but the thing that gets me is that the character in question is just an archetype of things that have been in cartoons for years -- the lovable idiot character. It's baffling to me that people treat this like this is something new, and even more baffling that those people complained and caused something to happen with said complaints. For the sake of their poor, weak hearts, don't show them Ed Edd & Eddy, or even that one-shot purple girl from PPG. They'll flip their shit.

If it was Apple that was behind the changes, that would explain why Ashleigh Ball didn't do RD's voice for the scene.

rip derpy, you will always have a place in our hearts

I prefered the old Derpy, she was a much more awesome pony.

Remember Kids, Cartoons is serious business!

Its Ok to have a male character with giant buck teeth, clown like shoes, who says really stupid things, is extremely clumsy and speaks in a way that makes him sound dumber then hell, but that's perfectly fine!

Its not ok to have a female character with crossed eyes, who speaks in a clutsy voice while being extremely clumsy, that's terrible and you should be ashamed of yourself for liking her!

Who am I talking about?

Well, of course we know the second character is Derpy Hooves, who's 45 seconds in a episode caused a massive PC backlash that -HAD- to be changed because it made a female look character look bad. Just who is the first one?

Goofy, of Disney, who has been around longer then -EIGHTY- years, and nobody pitched a fit about him, ever.

That's right, Goofy its ok to make fun of cause he's a guy character aimed at six year olds, but its not ok to make fun of Derpy because she's a girl character aimed at six year olds.

Sexist Political Correctiveness at its bloody worst.

What's more shocking is nobody had a problem with Cheese on Fosters Home for Imaginary friends, who, to me, really -DOES- look like he's mentally disabled in some way, but he's a guy so its ok

Or that Ed, Edd and Eddy was on the air for -OVER- 13 years, and nobody once complained about how they acted

Or our lovable Spongebob and Patrick Star, both of them, especially Patrick are dumber then rocks, yet nobody has a problem with them.

Remember kids, its ok to make fun of boys, but its not ok to make fun of girls.

Well, I don't really think it's about Derpy at all anymore. I guess some people just couldn't accept a shoutout to fans to be considered canon and so they complained. I highly doubt it would be so different from another background pony getting the spotlight. I guess people still would have found reasons to complain just to spoil the fun for the fans.

This is a company that makes toys we're talking about. Hasbro is having difficulty adapting from being in their mindset to dealing with managing a ridiculously popular cartoon show with a wide variety of fans (so basically they have yet to grow a spine)


We shouldn't get too upset about Derpy though; we loved her when she was a background pony and they've simply went back to that for now. We're still seeing her in new episodes, and she's still wall-eyed.

You're talking about the company that produces Transformers right? Though I'll give you they probably didn't expect it for THIS cartoon show.
To me this is only partially about Derpy, but more about how much power those that yell really loud can wield, whether it be over Derpy or Ellen, or Muslims on TV, or Janet Jackson's boob, or the n-word in Huck Finn, or calling Whitney Houston a crackho.

that feel when I really don't care

also who couldn't see this getting retconned?

Actually going with Derpy instead of Ditzy..

Rainbow Dash originally being reasonably irritated with her incompetence.

And the first voice was way too exaggerated and was asking for trouble.

>Actually going with Derpy instead of Ditzy..

Her name was never Ditzy. That was 100% assumption with no real evidence.

I meant that as in that was viewed as the fanon psuedo-official name, since no one thought seriously Derpy would pass as her name on a tv show. So a good portion of people just went with calling her that because it sounded like a more tv-friendly name to call her by.

possibly because of all that down's syndrome bitching... but who knows??

That was Yamino rallying her fans.

My assumption was that people might of thought she was mentally handicapped or something, and they changed it to prevent controversy. I don't think they did it on puprose, but her voice did make her sound like she took a blow to the head.

I could understand if they didn't want to call her Derpy Whooves though, since Derpy sounds like an insult more than a name. Regardless of what actually happened though, it's lame that they took back what was a nice gesture to fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aK_L5kTIiXs

All my love and hugs for Derpy

Also, my feelings on the matter has been posted to the internetz. It's funny in retrospective:
http://ponibooru.413chan.net/post/view/138730

Poor Derpy...we'll always have Cloudsdale. Here's lookin' at you, kid.

No, no, I'm over here...

I don't follow MLP but that pisses me off almost as much as the censoring on Dragon Ball Kai. =P

TLDR iTunes is the only place that has the mucked up Derpy.

Stop getting your panties twisted in a knot.

Then I pose to you this: Should iTunes have that power? Considering how much Apple wants to dip its hands into media of every type? Is that worth a knot?

[REDACTED] No its not worth a knot because its not worth griping over until we have confirmation thats its only iTunes that has the edited version. Once w do THEN its worth griping over. Until then people should hold their tongues.

Until it airs on The Hub again, we have no 100% confirmation that iTunes is the only place it's edited.

It's still the exact same as it was before on both Hub's site and the DVD.

Yes, it's the same on the DVD. (I can't find it on Hubworld though...link plz)

What I'm saying is that it could still be edited on TV airings. afaik it hasn't even aired again since its original air date.

Personally I don't mind the voice change. On the other hand I do not think they should have changed the lines spoken or the animation for the eyes. When I first saw the episode in question I was really hoping they would not go the rout with the voice that they did.

I was hoping she would be normal sounding, in the case of I have had several mentally handicapped friends and kids that I have helped growing up and none of which sounded like that dizzy clumsy and slow yes but accepted. That is what Derpy should have stood for in the first place, ditsy and clumsy but accepted...

It always makes me feel sad when they display things that are different with that kind of voice, I don't know why it bothered me still but it did. The clumsiness and the eyes on the other hand I saw no problem with, same with calling her Derpy.

They changed her from Derpy Hooves to Ditsy Doo with that change....T.T

...No they didn't. Her name was never "Ditzy Doo" and it never will be.

I mean personality-wise....I mean, they made her into a bloody little BARBIE GIRL with that new voice...x.x

Indeed. She sounds like a dumb blonde now.

you sir should read also: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/.....-to-derpy.html if you don't have already.. so much for "will never be" ;>

What? It never was. Unless you want to really nit-pick and claim that early draft names are canon.

.. the name would have been ditzy doo in that episode if they would not have said "we do that shout out" so i'm not really seeing me nitpicking here, rather relating to a given fact from an official source. as i said farther down in the comments here, for me her name is ditzy doo and her nickname is "derpy hooves" i'm in fact supporting both. if more people would do that no one would have to be upset at all. but i assume its easier to blame people for nitpicking than just enjoying the show :)

Keywords: WOULD HAVE BEEN. The name was not final. They DID do the "shout out", that's what matters. Under your logic, you could claim that the episode "Read it and Weep" is really called "Reading Rainbow", because that's what the episode was originally going to be named, according to official sources.

Draft =/= Final.

The name pretty much is final to the author and the rest of the team. They just decided to use the name "Derpy" for the shoutout, which wouldn't necessarily mean that they would always stick to that name. While the usage of the name "Derpy" was canon before the edit it is unlikely to appear again due to people complaining about its "offensiveness". Also just because RD calls Derpy "Derpy" doesn't necessarily mean that it is her real name, since all ponies also call Pinkie "Pinkie" despite the fact "Pinkie" is just a nickname for Pinkamena and "Dashie" is just a nickname for "Rainbow Dash". It is more than likely that "Derpy" would have been considered just a nickname for "Ditzy Doo", a pony whos name also canonically appeared in series one, so it clearly was not an early draft name. Even Lauren Faust suggested back in series one that Ditzy could be Derpy is anyone likes her to be, so that's were people got their idea, that Derpy and Ditzy were the same character in the first place. "Word of god" from the author of that episode even makes it more concrete, that "our" Derpy is considered to be "Ditzy Doo".

While I think that the word of the author should be enough to concretize that subject, I guess we all have to wait until Derpy again will be mentioned by name onscreen and while I don't think that that would happen anytime soon (if ever again) I highly doubt that any pony would ever call her "Derpy" again.

So, as long as her final name isn't mentioned anywhere, let's jut assume that she is named like whatever we want. Derpy is pretty much the closest thing to an OC after all with all the alternative fan interpretations like her being mentally challenged or not, like her being Dinky's loving mother or not, like her being Equestrials most reliable mail mare or not, like her being a muffin addict or not, does it really change something how she is officially named? She will still be our beloved most favorite grey pegasus, no matter what.

Once again, draft =/= final. Under this logic, "Read it and Weep" is actually called "Reading Rainbow" because that's what the episode was called during production, but they changed it before the episode was finished. Draft =/= Final.

And I don't see how "Derpy" is a 'nickname' for "Ditzy Doo", they're completely different names. At least Pinkie and Dashie are short for their actual names. And no, "it appeared in season 1" isn't a solid reason, because this "Ditzy Doo" pony was never seen, only mentioned.

Oh, and btw, on the topic of "offensiveness", "Ditz" is just as, if not more offensive than "Derp", seeing as it's derogatory towards women specifically. So don't try to use that argument.

Why are people clinging to "Ditzy Doo"? It was never, ever her name. Started out as Derpy, then everyone started ASSUMING that this "Ditzy Doo" mentioned character was her, even after Faust said it wasn't, that they only ***MIGHT*** use that name, and oh look, they didn't, it was changed to Derpy in the final script. What's the problem, here?

The problem is some people would rather cling to a name that never happened than accept a name that happens to have originated in the fandom. I swear, they're like a bunch of prissy little hipsters. "Oh, that name's mainstream, it's not usable anymore! I'm gonna insist her name is something entirely different!"

The problem in this case appears to be people to be overly insistent about their point of view to be considered canon.

Derpy as a cartoon character is a fictional thing, an idea, a concept, nothing more than that. She was created by the fans who took her design, assigned a name and a personality to it. So far, so good. But since the fandom grew big really fast there were many people who had alternating views and character interpretations about her. So people proposed many names in many fanfics, changed and tweaked her personality and so there were many different versions of Derpy out there. And anyone liked his personal interpretation the most. And that's fine too.

The point is, that Derpy pretty much was treaten like an OC, an original character, with only a very loose connection to anything canon, by her general design. And because there never was a certainty about her character as anything more than an average background character that now seemed to become officially a comic relief character, there never was a way to prove which interpretation was the most canonical one.

Then the unexpected happened. Derpy got a speaking role and was even referenced by her popular fanon name. Oh the joy. Everything could have stayed that way but some people were ungrateful or begrudged the bronies for the shoutout. They were so inventive in seeing an offensiveness in something silly than a cartoon characters name and succeeded to make that name disappear again.

As sad as that was even possible, it has happened. So basicalls it's back to fanon status with that name again. But to claim that the name is still canon, even if it is extremely unlikely for it to ever appear again is just plain illogical. And to claim, that the name a team came up with which an author chose to use, should be considered less canon than a popular fanon name and that this name even "never happened" even if the author stated it was considered that characters name in the first place is just disrespectful to the author. And to bitch over the canonicity of something rather unimportant than a name is even more disrespectful towards the team that gave is Derpy in all her glory to enjoy.

Like I said before, the name is almost irrelevant, it is the idea that counts. Ideological conflicts concerning specific details won't change what Derpy means to her fans at all. That would always be the same, no matter if she was called "Derpy" or "Ditzy".

I guess we never find out what the problem behind all the fuss is really about. In the end it doesn't matter anyway if that grey mare is called "Derpy" or "Ditzy" or whatever else. She will remain the fan favorite background pegasus and nothing would change that anyway. So the problem surely isn't her name or her role in that show or the shoutout to the bronies or something like that. Part of the problem appears to be that people had an irrational fear of her removal based on various rumors without checking for facts. And that kind of issue was blown way out of proportion.

And the worst part is that people claim their very own points of view are true. Some people think Derpy is disabled? So, let's complain about that. Some people think the name "Derpy" is offensive? Let's complain about that. Some people think the edited version is worse than the original? Let's complain about it. Right now there is nothing the team behind MLP:FIM can do to fix the situation. No matter what they do, people still would complain. So the wisest thing would be not to act at all.

And about the name, I always said about that, what I said about Derpy's characterization in general: I support whatever appears to be canon. While the name "Ditzy Doo" was planed, it was changed to "Derpy" for a shoutout but then taken back because of complaints. Right now both names have the same canonical status, they both aren't canon for that character right now. So it's basically up to everyone to call her like however people like her to be named.

Normally I wouldn't even care about that topic, but I just thought how sad it is to see people bickering about something as unimportant as a loved cartoon characters name and then to claim that a fanon chosen name has to be more canon than a name chosen by officials just because it was used for a shoutout even if it was removed again. That's just silly.

If the word of the author as well as the acceptance of the things she said by a majority of the fandom isn't enough to convince people that this argument is ridiculous then probably nothing will. The one thing that might change that might be another time she is referenced by name in a future episode but I guess we won't ever get another chance after the shitstorm that was caused by the first major shoutout.

So, basically, there isn't a problem at all, unless we all decide to have one.

Normally I wouldn't even care about that topic, but I just thought how sad it is to see people bickering about something as unimportant as a loved cartoon characters name and then to claim that a fanon chosen name has to be more canon than a name chosen by officials just because it was used for a shoutout even if it was removed again. That's just silly.

Third time now: Draft =/= Final.

Name started as "Derpy"
Fans started ASSUMING that this "Ditzy Doo" was Derpy
Turned out to be false with TLR, now edited to no-name.

How is her name "Ditzy Doo", again? Your reasoning is just as "silly", "her name isn't Derpy in canon anymore...so it must be Ditzy!".

Let's not forget that The Hub recognizes her name as Derpy as well, with the flash filenames and Facebook page naming.

But eh, people can desperately cling to their fanon if they desire, I won't stop 'em.

i see you're getting the same replies from those two that i got. kinda a circle isn't it? :)
they're not worth to out-circle.. trust me..

lol.

I also got the same treatment apparently.

I was about to say:

I haven't claimed her name to be Ditzy at all, I just stated it is the most likely name for her right now.

My reasoning appears to be valid considering several examples I already brought up. Right now we are just arguing about what should be considered canon.

Wikipedia has following to say about that:

[quote]In fiction, canon is the conceptual material accepted as "official" in a fictional universe's fan base. It is often contrasted with, or used as the basis for, works of fan fiction, which are not considered canonical. It is used in two slightly different meanings: first, "it refers to the overall set of storylines, premises, settings, and characters offered by the source media text".[1]:28 In this sense, canon is "the original work from which the fan fiction author borrows,"[2] or "the original media on which the fan fictions are based."[3] Secondly, it is used "as a descriptor of specific incidents, relationships, or story arcs that take place within the overall canon"; thus certain incidents or relationships may be described as being canon or not.[1]:32 The alternative term mythology is often used, especially to refer either to a richly detailed fictional canon requiring a large degree of suspension of disbelief (e.g. an entire imaginary world and history), or to a central thread of storytelling running through a broad fictional canon that may episodically wander into many side plots with little connection to that thread.

All fandoms consider appearences in the primary medium canon. That would be the show itself. Most fandoms accept statements from the authors or the team behind something to be the closest thing to something canon.

The canonical facts are: The name "Ditzy Doo" appeared in the show, so it is canon that this name exists for at least one pegasus at all. Our Derpy was called "Derpy" by another character. That name was edited out again. It was undone.

So all that remains is what the officials had to say about that. And all they said was that her name should have been "Ditzy Doo" but was changed into "Derpy" for the shoutout. A change that was undone again. Make of that what you will. But it should be clear by now that "Derpy" was previously just a placeholder name for the staff.

Right now everything is possible again, but please don't claim something to be a fact just because you want it to be.[/quote]

But I guess ignoring people is way more easy than to have a logical discussion. In the end it's pretty weak to misinterpret the things someone else said and then to block him, but I guess that shows again the price for participating in an already ridiculous discussion. Shame on me, I should and did have it known better.

I think you're just hoping a little too hard that her name has been changed. And wishing too hard that her name was intended by more than one single writer to be Ditzy Doo.

Which, again, it hasn't. Derpy is still canon, they're just not gonna be saying it anymore.

The only thing I'm hoping for is for clarity about that sooner or later. I'll accept the canon anyway, so let's just wait until that issue is resolved. And I still say claiming a name to be canon, that was explicitly removed from a show and will probably never be used again doesn't exactly makes much sense at all. That's all I was saying all along. To me it doesn't really matter which name it will be in the end, although I have a clear preference. The character will be the same in any case, so whatever it will be will be fine by me.

Part of me hopes that this is just some Apple thing that was forced on the show's creators, that The Hub and Hasbro didn't cave to unreasonable complaints. But I'm just going to have to do what everyone else is going to have to do and wait and see.

And wait for my pre-ordered DVD to arrive in the mail. :3

Wow for real? They actually edited that episode to take out Derpy ? @A@ But I LOVE THE DERPY!

Hopefully when the DVD comes out they will have the scene with Derpy in it and not a edited version *fingers crossed* Can't imagine why they would take her out though? Unless they want her to be a voice less character? Like a little easter egg in the background? Like what they did in "feeling Pinky Keen", she was there for a few seconds as a spotlight character.

Besides, I think we would all love too see a Derpy going on an adventure with her mail services and muffin love XD. NOW that would be a show worth while. XD

From what ive heard its just the iTunes version that altered. The up coming DVD will still have Derpy in all her glory. So it was probably Apple responding to the online controversy.

I guess we'll know a bit more of who's doing the editing when the reruns of that episode show.

yeah it's really sad when people ruin good things, i freaking died loveing when derpy spoke,and rainbow's expression showed that derpy/ or ditzy really was. ditzy, she was a klutz but some people are like" i'm a mom or not, and i think this is very offensive because it's showing kids to laugh at disabled kids" but they a wrong, so bad it hurts, derpy is so funny because, well doesn't the word derpy mean silly? it's not what derpy is but what she does that makes her so funny and if people like that killed a famous character, then this world, or america at the least has gone in the crapper....

i just noticed something.....

DITZY IS THE PETER GRIFFIN OF THE PONY WORLD!

literaly, they both break things all the time but they have jobs.

It's rather questionable if Ditzy kept her job after dumping all that stuff onto Twilight, that stuff looked expensive, not to mention Twi's hospital bills. I guess she will also have problems finding an affordable insurance. Who would like to insure such a jinxed pony against casualties?

Its not you, Derpy, its the world and all its shit that's the problem.

Stay as you are, Derpy, don't you dare change for us.

Heaven forfend there be a character in a children's cartoon that has googly eyes and acts dumb.

There's no precedent for that.

Cute picture, I dont find to many pictures of Ditzy that I Fav, so rejoice! ;P (J/K, about the last part)

Episode edits. Bad voice overs. Hmm... Nope, something like this never happens in Anime!

Isn't there places online where you can download or view the original episode in it's unchanged glory?


I just don't see the big deal, really.

My roommate and I were talking about the whole edit of the episode the other night... We knew it had to be some oversensitive mother-of-an-autistic-child individual getting butthurt about the comic portrayal, and I pretty much just said "oh boo hoo, that comedy may possibly hurt that ten-year-old's feelings inadvertantly if they think about it too hard."

So according to Hasbro, they caved to quote-unquote "some viewers", ie. A VOCAL MINORITY, because they didn't feel Derpy fit in with the show's message of friendship and acceptance.

So apparently, "friendship and acceptance" means treating the clumsy, dumb or disabled like they don't exist. The "core message of friendship" must include not becoming friends with such people just because they're different.

I think I finally hate Hasbro. Those reasons are godawful and what they did contradicts the values of the show. I'm not going to go crazy and send a whole bunch of hatemail or anything, but I really hate Hasbro now.

I hope this video helps explain this unexplained phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqnNURx3Y6Q. Second, if what your saying about Obama is true then you might want to keep your mouth shut (just look at what happened to the founder of WikiLeaks). That said, the background of this image looks more like Dinosaurland than Ponyville (but maybe that is just me).

Forgive me if any of this has been posted before, but there are way too many comments here for me to read.

I am one of the people who complained. And so is my wife, who is disabled, and who has been mocked by being called "Derpy" by a brony before. So this did not come from a vacuum.

I am not exactly in favor of PC Policing the entire world, but what I think keeps getting lost in the controversy is this: My Little Pony is a cartoon aimed at little girls. Yes, the brony fanbase is big and, yes, Hasbro is and should be pleasantly surprised at having a new demographic to market to. But the primary audience is, and always will be, little girls and their parents. (I have seen Nielson ratings data which indicates that for one episode in particular, "Hearts and Hooves Day," there were somewhere around 300,000 kids watching. I would be shocked if the brony fandom in its entirety has half that number.) And these people have absolutely NO idea of this odd little subcultures memes, in-jokes, and gags. The only thing they're going to get out of that scene is that Rainbow Dash lost her temper at a pony who has something wrong with her eyes and a slow, deep voice. Removed from the brony context, I don't think there IS a way to read that scene other than "RD yells at the retarded pony."

tl;dr: It's a show that's supposed to teach positive lessons about friendship and tolerance to little girls, and if anything being a little sensitive towards not hurting the feelings of other people ought to be counted as one of its virtues.

- I don't think there IS a way to read that scene other than "RD yells at the retarded pony."

Here's a way: RD acts like she does to everyone, this time to a clumsy pony who happens to have crooked eyes.

Now it's "RD talks to a flat-out annoying pony like she's talking to a "slow" child and looks at her like she feels sorry for her."

Boy, hope you never watch Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. Cheese, who acts like a mentally retarded 3-year-old, and the way he's screamed at by Frankie and Bloo would scar you both for life.

Putting aside the fact that Foster's is a different show with a different target audience, if you will recall Cheese's debut episode, you will also recall that, by the end of it, Bloo wound up freaking out about how he had been treating Cheese up to that point and apologized for it in the end.

Again, where was RD's apology to "Derpy?" This is basic cartoon writing here, the animated moral equivalent of Chekhov's Gun. You do not mock the "different" character unless you have a plan to reveal that there's more to them than meets the eye by the end of the episode. Unless you're just using them as a throwaway gag. Which they were, which is kind of the whole source for the complaint.

- Putting aside the fact that Foster's is a different show with a different target audience

We go from families to...families. Ah yes. Quite the gap in demographics there. :/

- if you will recall Cheese's debut episode, you will also recall that, by the end of it, Bloo wound up freaking out about how he had been treating Cheese up to that point and apologized for it in the end.

And then look at the next episode he's in, where everyone simply sees him as the biggest nuissance ever and the whole thing culminates in Frankie screaming like a madwoman at him. But no one flipped their shit about that.

And seriously, no one mocked Derpy. At all. Dash losing her temper and saying "Just sit there and do nothing" after Derpy manages to destroy town hall in front of the whole town, that's mockery to you?

And hey, know who else is used for tons of throwaway physical comedy gags, talks in a dopey voice, visually looks like a fool, isn't all too bright, and is a frequent target or outbursts from one of his friends? GOOFY. Who has existed for over 80 years without a single complaint.

PS. If all of you who complained {all 10 of you} hadn't jumped up and screamed "ABLEIST", they could've had an opportunity for an episode featuring Derpy that teaches not to judge people by their disabilities. But nope! Instead, friendship and acceptance means "hiding/correcting the disabled"!

Because, naturally, there is no opportunity for them to do that ever now.

This isn't about "correcting" and "hiding." I have no desire to see the show avoid the topic of disabled ponies entirely. However I'm also not interested in seeing, say, a pegasus in a wheelchair named "Cripply" being yelled at by Rainbow Dash because he can't fly.

Just sayin'.

Look, Dash yelled at Derpy simply for being a klutz. It happens ALL THE TIME in cartoons. And hey, notice no one has complained about any other character like this until now.