Apparently people do not know what moral OCD actually is. It’s not “man, the things that are going on in the world are kinda fucked up and I feel bad for being complicit! Must be a mental illness!”
It’s “oh shit I need to read this text over 36 times to make sure I didn’t accidentally type out a slur” and “what if this funny cat meme has transphobic origins and I’m going to get cancelled for posting it” and “I have to wash my hands for exactly 5 minutes or else there will be another genocide”
thank you op - links for people who want more reading material related to what moral OCD actually is (no, it is not a political device):
Apparently people do not know what moral OCD actually is. It’s not “man, the things that are going on in the world are kinda fucked up and I feel bad for being complicit! Must be a mental illness!”
It’s “oh shit I need to read this text over 36 times to make sure I didn’t accidentally type out a slur” and “what if this funny cat meme has transphobic origins and I’m going to get cancelled for posting it” and “I have to wash my hands for exactly 5 minutes or else there will be another genocide”
girl the pattern you see is not divine or malevolent forces trying to reach you through the veil it’s just because you’re good at pattern recognition keep it moving
I never caught covid but it did incalculable irreparable damage to my OCD
I won’t call it trauma but some events in my life introduced entire new destructive ruminations in my head, I didn’t have POCD until I was falsely accused en masse of being a pedophile, I didn’t have harm OCD until my boyfriend’s abusive friend started stalking me & I grew terrified of being bad to him in the same way, i didn’t have contamination OCD until the pandemic. brain is just constantly topping up on new things to fucking worry about so repetitively that it makes my head hurt. the mental version of washing my paws until they bleed
my ocd will have been treated the moment I can honestly say i am no longer afraid of being a pedophile, and if that scares you, i don’t care
asking me to perform disgust and horror at my intrusive thoughts in order to prove i’m not going to rape a kid, it’d be the same as asking someone with contamination OCD to wash their hands to prove they’re not diseased. it is directly and materially harmful.
i feel like people only half get it. like OCD is real and intrusive thoughts don’t necessarily reflect on actions, but like, you still gotta rely on your disgust/fear reflex to reassure you that you’re not gonna do something horrible, because that’s just common sense. no, thats literally the opposite of what you’re supposed to do.
You’re both still misunderstanding, the ambiguity is the point. I’m incapable of being reassured, it is the reassurance that keeps me in the destructive cycle of OCD. Casting aside the question and accepting uncertainty is the end goal. I’ll have been treated if I no longer care one way or the other.
because the other post about this got the advice slightly wrong: person with OCD, that moral reblog bait may or may not be about you, people may or may not be keeping track of what you reblog, you may or may not be evil & bigoted, practice sitting with this feeling and refrain from doing whatever you think will help resolve that uncertainty because it will come back worse every time
thinking about something else is also trying to resolve the conflict, you have to be there with it and give it nothing. it gets easier
you might!! it’s hard to tell when there’s an overlap with general anxiety (and OCD is categorized as a type of anxiety disorder) but yeah, do you:
- find yourself needing to rewrite, reread, clarify, or follow-up to an unnecessary degree - overexplaining yourself to people to be perfectly understood, otherwise you feel like some harm might happen to yourself or others
- do similar things with your physical environment - re-checking and making sure everything is “where it should be” to prevent loss or harm - needing to know where everything is, having backup plans, with an anxiety attached to having these systems in place
- anticipate worst-case scenarios frequently, imagining that if you don’t do something, then a domino effect of things might happen to cause catastrophic harm
you may also have compulsions / rituals attached to these, ranging from kind of logical (cleaning & sanitizing spaces to prevent illness) to pure physical impulse (“i need to touch the doorknob to make sure it’s locked, even though I can physically see the lock without touching it”)
OCD can be associated with strong feelings about morality, religion, or other belief systems … it can be tied to anxious superstitious behavior
nail picking, skin picking, hair plucking, scratching at things on your body or clothes that feel out of place
there’s a lot but this is mainly the stuff that has been present for me in my life
I feel like I would have been diagnosed with OCD a lot earlier if the vast majority of screening questions (for mental illnesses in general) weren’t based on the person’s perception of their own behavior, in isolation. and what i mean by that is asking someone with OCD “do you wash your hands excessively?” is not a good question.
a person with OCD believes they are washing their hands the correct number of times. it’s not excessive. we believe we’re exhibiting best practices and helping to keep everything clean.
better questions might be, “does it seem like you wash your hands a lot more than your friends or family?” “do you get dry patches or cuts on your hands from washing your hands?” “do you find it deeply distressing, more so than how you’ve seen other people react, when you get something on your hands that you can’t clean off right away?”
being asked “are you overly preoccupied with bugs, symmetry, and contamination?” also got “no” responses from me years ago in my life. what they didn’t ask for, and didn’t know, was what *exactly* I was doing in my day to day life that genuinely ate up my time and mental space to a concerning degree, but I *didn’t know* that other people don’t do this.
“do you spend a lot of time cleaning?” -> no, it’s not a lot. it’s a good amount. why?
“do you become frustrated because it seems like no one else meets your organizational and cleanliness standards - do you often ‘take over’ for other people because they can’t do it right - do new friends seem surprised by how strict you can be about your living space?” -> oh. yeah. yeah I get it now.
tumblr: constantly be aware of your own privilege. constantly be aware of your capacity of be evil. hey i know you really like that new piece of media but make sure you’re aware of all of the problematic elements all the time. hey i noticed you reblogged a post from a designated Bad Person so please make sure you do a thorough background check on everyone you reblog from to make sure they’re not bad, otherwise people might get the wrong idea about you. always be aware of everything bad that’s happening in the world all the time because silence is violence. i see you not reblogging this post btw. activist burnout is a privilege so be aware of that. xyz people are required to reblog this post. if you’re not constantly fighting against designated Bad People you are inherently complicit and therefore a Bad Person.
Recently saw an insta vid where a musician was singing lyrics that described their intrusive thoughts as a person with OCD, and in the comments every so often there would be people writing like “bro what is this 🤨🤨” and “keep this between you and your therapist dont post it on the internet” and it just further fueled my belief that OCD symptoms and intrusive thoughts need to be talked about more because a majority of the struggle with the disorder is the shame surrounding its symptoms. OCD is not able to be easily romanticized or ‘quirky'fied like other disorders or neurodivergencies have been*, and as a result its symptoms are more quickly met with disgust or repulsion.
Other people in the comments were thanking OP because it captured the struggle of real intrusive thoughts instead of impulsive ones. Impulsive thoughts are more of the 'I’m gonna dye my hair randomly on a thursday night’ thoughts vs the intrusive 'what if I drove my car into that family and suddenly killed us both’ thoughts, the latter of which make OCD as a disorder truly debilitating. And the people that immediately assign bad morals to intrusive thoughts? They only further condemn people with OCD to never wanting to talk about the symptoms they’ve already been struggling with shame about.
I feel it needs to be made more blatantly explained to the public that OCD intrusive thoughts aren’t desire based. They’re fear and disgust based. You fear hurting anyone so badly your mind can’t stop thinking about what if you hurt someone. You fear molesting anyone so you never want to even touch anyone. Your mind fixates on the 'what ifs’ and distorts them into the idea that, because you think this way, you must want to act this way–when the reality is the exact opposite.
If a person with OCD ever confides to you one of their intrusive thoughts and you feel a knee-jerk reaction of disgust towards them, it needs to be reiterated that:
1. the person does not want to be thinking about this, their brain is legit hardwired to make those thoughts pop up
2. the person themselves also feels this disgust, often intensely, and they very likely resent themselves for ever thinking it
and
3. they have no desire to enact the intrusive thought, because its intrusive nature hinges on the person’s fears and dislikes.
*And to clarify what I mean by romanticization and 'quirk’-ifying, I do not mean to imply that romanticizing any disorder or condition is inherently a good thing. It’s only to state that conditions like anxiety and ADHD have been made such common/'trendy’ topics recently that they’re less taboo to speak about–leading to more people talking about their struggles with it, and helping others realize they might have it too and aren’t alone. Because certain OCD traits aren’t as marketable (obviously) a lot of those with it are left rather isolated.
I dont think a lot of people understand how agonizing it is to have your brain constantly, without your input or consent, vividly reenacting all of your worst, most horrifying fears to the point that it makes you loathe yourself only to have society answer any plea for help or understanding with “yeah you actually are a disgusting monster for thinking that, what the fuck is wrong with you, have you tried just not being a complete freak?” like there’s a reason I only talk about this stuff with my therapist.
A lot of people, including myself, talk about how freeing it felt to be diagnosed with ADHD bcs it was akin to someone finally telling you “you’re not a lazy idiot, your brain is just doesn’t regulate it’s chemicals correctly and it isn’t your fault” but like, god that doesn’t compare to the weight that was lifted off my chest when I finally had someone explain to me what real intrusive thoughts are and that they’re a sign of OCD, like you legit live life thinking you’re just secretly a horrible irredeemable monster who wants to maim everyone you love but no, it turns out your brain is just set to autoplay “would this be fucked up or what” 24/7 and it’s a fucking shame that people don’t even try to understand that.
If you get that depression and adhd and anxiety is irrational and involuntary pls extend that grace to people with “scary” symptoms bcs I promise you we don’t want to be thinking/feeling this way, we legit don’t have a choice, and most of us would rather be locked in a empty concrete room for the rest of our lives than even come close to enacting anything our brains like to torment us with.
i genuinely think ocd is incredibly underdiagnosed bc i will see people posting what are obvious rituals, compulsions, intrusive thoughts, spiralling, hyper morality, etc and its like Have You Considered This Might Be An Issue
it isnt actually good or normal to have moral dilemmas every day about which posts you reblog. it isn’t actually good or normal to check and recheck every message you send “just in case” you sent porn instead of a ‘hi how are you’. it isn’t actually good or normal to believe that your day will only go well if you have a specific keychain or whatever with you. like i’m not going to diagnose you but i do think some of you need to look into obsessive-compulsive disorder beyond “ha ha funny man wash his hands” portrayals.
I always tell people that even if they’re not pursuing diagnosis they should at least look at OCD support organizations’ pages on moralscrupulosity because that mindset is one you can literally see people developing in real time online.
I find this can help chip away a bit at stigma and confusion for people who have misconceptions that rituals can’t be mental (much of what people will describe as “checking for thought crimes” sounds a LOT like a mental ritual), as well as guide them towards tools for breaking the cycle of intrusive thoughts, obsession and ritual—or at the very least help persuade them that rituals reinforce, rather than “fix” those obsessions.
Like I do absolutely think people, especially ones who have access to counseling already, should raise and ask about these issues, including “I’m wondering if I might have OCD because…” (that is part of how I got diagnosed!), but these resources can be helpful for those who maybe haven’t had that kind of thought pattern before but encouraged themselves to do so because of social pressure to the point where they now have to un-learn it (essentially where it’s become disordered thinking) but will maybe balk at the idea of diagnosis because it hasn’t always been like that, or similar situations.
I try to emphasize that tools like this are open to anyone for whom they might be helpful, whether or not they have diagnosed OCD. Especially because some people who may get a diagnosis in future can still educate themselves now, and perhaps work towards one that way.
But for real, since I’ve started talking about OCD on my blog I’ve had literally half a dozen people talk to me (anon or not) about “…oh shit I had no idea OCD could look like [xyz thing]” and have The Realization, some of whom I know got diagnosed later and others of whom felt empowered to look into it when they hadn’t before because they were worried that seeking help with scrupulosity would be “appropriating OCD experiences” (people struggling with scrupulosity being scrupulous around needing help is definitely a bigger thing than I realized—it’s not just stigma or ignorance!).
Which is why I try to emphasize that everyone can and should take some time to learn about this stuff! The worst that can happen is you go “hm that doesn’t describe my experience” and you still know more about OCD and are better-prepared to support people who do have it.
A lot of people w OCD tend to have symptoms emerge when they’re younger and then it gets more manageable as they get older and even sometimes seems to recede completely, which is kinda wild if you’re someone who did not in fact ever get diagnosed w OCD but you did clearly definitely have it at some point, even if you wouldn’t fit the diagnostic criteria anymore. Me thinking about 8 year old me and going huh remember when I thought the devil was gonna kill my mom. Weird time ig
While cleaning out my room I found a paper that my therapist gave me some time ago to deal with obsessive and intrusive thoughts. Sorry the paper is a little crinkled and stained, but I figured I’d post it in hopes that it will help someone like it helped me.
Here it is again with text for anyone who can’t see the picture
That thought isn’t helpful right now.
Now is not the time to think about it. I can think about it later.
This is irrational. I’m going to let it go.
I won’t argue with an irrational thought.
This is not an emergency. I can slow down and think clearly about what I need.
This feels threatening and urgent, but it really isn’t.
I don’t have to be perfect to be OK.
I don’t have to figure out this question. The best thing to do is just drop it.
It’s OK to make mistakes.
I already know from my past experiences that these fears are irrational.
I have to take risks in order to be free. I’m willing to take this risk.
It’s OK that I just had that thought/image, and it doesn’t mean anything. I don’t have to pay attention to it.
I’m ready to move on now.
I can handle being wrong.
I don’t have to suffer like this. I deserve to feel comfortable.
That’s not my responsibility.
That’s not my problem.
I’ve done the best I can.
It’s good practice to let go of this worry. I want to practice.
If you have TikTok or Instagram, I am borderline begging you to check out their posts there. The work they have done to normalize and destigmatize some of the ugliest components of this disorder, which I have never seen anyone else speak on, is tremendous. But you can get good info on their website too!
You might often see me insist again & again that OCD is different from other anxiety disorders & also that avoiding triggers & engaging in reassurance makes OCD worse,
but knowing that doesn’t mean you have the full picture. And even if you do, so what? How do you deal with the extreme discomfort that comes with effective OCD treatment? I wouldn’t expect anyone to simply start exposing themselves to triggers with no further info or guidance.
So once again, I am pointing y’all to Made of Millions, an OCD & mental health focused nonprofit that I think is doing amazing work!
Seeing Spongebob memes about something I was once so scared to bring up to my therapist that I threw up…well, it’s somehow funny in a very healing way.
I know OCD treatment & exposure therapy sounds extremely difficult and scary. And tbh it is difficult. But you have to believe me when I tell you that the relief & recovery is real and NO amount of discomfort and panic you experience in treatment can possibly be worse than the torment you’ve already experienced due to OCD itself.
I genuinely believe people surviving daily with OCD are some of the strongest people alive. People without this disorder may never truly understand what it means to experience it. How can you have survived this long and still think you don’t have the strength to recover?
I remember a time in childhood when I was badly injured, but I told my dad it barely hurt. When he told me I’d need stitches, I burst into tears. I begged him not to take me to the hospital, because I thought getting stitches would hurt. He was so confused, he laughed at me. He said, “they can’t possibly hurt more than the reason you NEED them!”
And he was right. The pain of treatment was nothing compared to the wound.
You might think you don’t have what it takes to do OCD treatment & recover, but if you’ve survived OCD this long, I know that you do.
I don’t mean to be harsh, but I wasn’t allowed to give up on myself & accept a life of suffering, and neither are you! You’re just as tough as I am.