My Vietnamese immigrant mother just said to me,
"yeah the ending was alright, pretty good... but... I thought those two guys were gonna end up together" 😭
"I thought at the end they were going to say something" talking about them in the basement 😭
My Vietnamese immigrant mother just said to me,
"yeah the ending was alright, pretty good... but... I thought those two guys were gonna end up together" 😭
"I thought at the end they were going to say something" talking about them in the basement 😭
You can end the cycle El! You don’t have to kill yourself to release yourself from the trauma of abuse!
Kills herself
Look for these signals! Complete these steps! You can love yourself AND be loved! You’re not “different” and you WILL fall in love!
Literally nothing happens
“Mike is a skater rockstar boyfriend!” he’s a league of legends player that has d&d sessions over on discord and would probably break all of the bones in his body if he ever decided to get on a skateboard
queerbaited so hard i cried to my mom about it
I cried to my dad bro dw we on the same boat
My dad and I cried together 😭
queerbaited so bad that both me and my mom were upset and crying together and stopped watching anything
The answer to that is simple: we have largely overestimated the Duffers. They have never cared about us. They lied to us and we believed them. They wrote the show about themselves and for themselves but WE, real outcasts, gave it meaning, soul and LIFE.
In their childhood/teenage years they felt like outcasts who "did not belong", so they wrote a story reflecting on that and empowering the feeling of being different and not conforming.
This sentiment was passed down to the actors who actively preached this idea to the masses.
In the 2017 Sag Awards speech David Harbour emphasized this point and promised that the show's core theme is protecting and fighting for the marginalized groups.
And we believed them. Oh how we wanted that to be true. We, freaks, nerds, queers, neurodivergents, outcasts, those bullied, ostracized and othered, were relieved that we finally have a show representing us, protecting us, sympathizing with us.
And that was our downfall.
2. The Duffers weaponized bigotry under the guise of protection.
Based on their own lives and experiences, they wrote a story that is deeply personal to them: a story of boys who were bullied for their looks and playing DnD, a story of boys whose crushes didn't love them back, boys who hated school and dreamed of showing a middle finger to their principal.
It was never meant to be bigger than this.
Female characters were used to motivate the core four, traumatized victims were never meant to heal, queer characters were never supposed to get flashed out interests.
Because that has never been the Duffers' priority. They wanted to create a coming-of-age narrative about themselves.
Why did Henry, El and Kali get these horrible devastating endings? Because they were a means to an end. The supernatural aspect of the story had to be left behind in order for the boys to "grow up". These characters became sacrificial lambs. They were slaughtered because they have always been plot devices.
Byler didn't happen for the exact same reason. It was never meant to be considered more than just a macguffin.
3. We cared so deeply for these characters that we gave them meaning. We developed them more than the writers.
We were so attached to them that now these post s5 interviews feel like a slap in the face.
Misogyny, ableism, racism, homophobia. That's what the fans are facing now. Those nerds and freaks that you're supposed to fight for are being bullied online for caring about the characters the Duffers created. For looking for details and clues in the show that tells us 'I don't believe in coincidences', 'pay attention'.
And the worst thing? They encourage this behavior.
They literally admit that – the plot is there for shits and giggles. Nothing matters. It’s not that deep.
The decapitation of the first victim of the Mind Flayer was a fanservisy 'fuck yeah' moment. Yes, the main characters reflect on their trauma there. What about Henry Creel though? Is his trauma not important enough to show explicitly? Should we not sympathise with him at all?
"I guess so!" Whose show is that, Matt Duffer?
They even laughed at theorists and fans in the goddamn show.
Henry Creel enjoyers, El and Kali fans, Bylers, Mike Wheeler has character development truthers, time travel theorists, inconsistencies are not production errors believers, we were not delusional. We just interpreted the show differently, and frankly, quite better than the actual writers.
It’s a shame the show didn’t live up to its full potential and turned out to be an incel escapism fantasy. I hope one day we’ll get to see an actual media designed to stand for the outsiders.
I guess, at the end of the day, it really wasn't that deep, after all.
We just gave the Duffers far more credit than they deserved, and they ran all the way to the bank with it.
What upsets me is that they've been telling us over and over again, inside and outside the show, to pay attention to the details; that nothing is a mistake. I keep going back to that "look behind the curtain" scene in s2 and I wonder what they wanted us to take from that. We didn't make it up in our heads that this show had depth. They explicitly told us to look for it. And then they spat in our faces for trying.
Why the Duffers are bad Writers?
They had a really good concept, very interesting characters which a lot of people could relate to, and they are really good at taking cool shots, they know how film making works, they can make a scene look really good & epic.
Despite all this, I don't know how they managed to fuck up so bad. There are so many mistakes in their writing:
Season 1:
Season 2:
Season 3:
Season 4:
Season 5:
The First Shadow:
The use of plot armour was over abused, which is just bad writing. They gave plot armour to every single main character.
Props & other Problems:
Duffers can't write good characters, relationships & even plots. They drew parallels from so many different shows & movies for a lot of emotional scenes. Every good plot that they have written was a copy of some 80s movies or shows.
This show may have started for outcasts, minorities & freaks like us but in the end we all lost.