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“It doesn’t mean that I don’t wish that there could’ve been another way.”
Gotta love how Cas was all like, “No, this isn’t remotely comparable to your suicidal plan.” Because he’s right - what he did to Donatello wasn’t nearly as “necessary” as what Dean’s planning to do to himself. Rescuing Mary and Jack from another universe and risking all sorts of nasty things coming through the portal isn’t remotely comparable to Dean wanting to stop Michael from burning down the planet. Not even to mention that Dean’s plan doesn’t involve mind-raping someone else.
@kionasko replied: And yet just a few episodes ago…
“Dean doesn’t matter”
The writers really need to figure out what they’re doing with Jack. Acctually that goes for all the characters this season cuz they’re flip flopping all over the place.
Could you please remember the context of Jack’s statement? He was talking about how stopping Michael was more important than saving Dean - which is the exact same thing that prompted Dean’s coffin at the bottom of the ocean plan in the latest ep.
Disgruntled Dean!girls on my dash were raging about how Jack wanted Dean dead and what not, but that’s not what Jack said or meant at all. And Jack was ecstatic to have Dean back in The Scar.
I’m not too happy with the writing for Jack either, but I don’t see any inconsistencies in this case.
Also, this is a friendly reminder to everyone following me that I don’t tolerate Jack hate on my posts. It’s not like there’s not plenty of other posts where you can share it to your heart’s content.
Donatello never quit fighting so we could help him because he never gave up.
I guess I’m just too stupid, but it’s been over 24 hours and I still fail to understand what’s so positive and inspiring about Donatello’s fate?
Last season Cas mind-raped him until he was braindead.
In his braindead state he reached out to the next prophet in line and induced him to brutally murder two people and traumatise a third for life, before he then shot himself in the head once Sam and Dean told him that he wasn’t following God’s orders.
Then Cas declared that he could fix Donatello, that those murders were “a spark of hope” Donatello’s mind could be rebuilt.
He then succeeded in reanimating Donatello, who doesn’t remember being mind-raped now and naively trusts Cas to take good care of him.
A few people are dead, but hey, that was just Donatello fighting to survive. And if only Dean were just a little more reasonable, he’d do the same thing - accept a few or a few hundred casualties in the name of fighting the good fight! Who cares about their grieving families - as long as Sam and Cas don’t have to grieve, it’s all good.
I don’t get that either. Those attempts to make
Donatello into an example of what Dean should/shouldn’t do really didn’t work.
The one good thing about this is that judging from “It’s Dean Winchester. Yes, yeah. We’ve spoken before. I’m
Donatello Redfield’s nephew.”, Dean’s apparently been checking on Donatello at least somewhat
regularly.
The morals and ethics of this show are sometimes borderline.
But this was a Bucklemming episode and they’re known for dragging characters that literally NO ONE cares about and giving them a redemption arc that still no one cares about. Same happens with Lucifer/Nick. 14x12 combines these two and honestly, I never expected it to be a good episode. ESPECIALLY because when someone says there’s going to be a “turning point” re: Destiel (I apologize if they’re some non-shippers here, I’m not trying to make this about the ship but just trying to make a point) and it’s a Bucklemming episode, I learned not to expect ANYTHING. Because they fuck everything up, both the characters, the plot line, everything. It’s like they don’t watch the show at all.
They’re also very passionate about painting Dean as an abuser who always causes all sort of problems, because apparently in their sexist brains Dean only exists as an aggressive macho fuckboi and if he’s anything else, it’s because of his [insert any character trait form earlier seasons that all other writers already tried to bury six feet under]
I didn’t watch the episode yet because of this bullshit, but if I understand correctly, Cas suddenly claims Donatello can be cured after murdering people after Cas himself fried his brain extra crispy in order to save Sam and Dean. It does sound like Bucklemming Typical Bullshit™
. I would rather have Cas (or anyone else, Sam, Dean, the nurse, I really don’t care) killing him perma-dead so we can move on, but of course not, we have to put up with Donatello for the next season as well just so Bucklemming can have their way.
I have no idea why these people still get to write episodes.
I was waiting for someone to attack fandom’s favourite scapegoat. What made me - and countless other people angry was not Bucklemming’s fault, because the behaviour of the characters was completely in character and fully in line with what we’ve seen in the past no matter which writer was behind the episodes.
(And honestly, at this point I infinitely prefer the Duo episodes to what Berens comes up with - because a few squicky rape jokes and Mark P. are still easier to cringe my way through than the complete assassination of everything the show used to stand for that Berens served us in The Bad Place and Beat The Devil.)
As for the whole “turning point” thing - maybe you should also have learnt from the past that the canon!Destiel crowd loves to turn every tiny quote about the show into a big promise of Destiel action on screen. I remember very vividly how I attended Jensen’s panel at Jibcon in 2016 and read afterwards on Tumblr, to my very great surprise, that Jensen had apparently promised a major Destiel scene for the S11 finale - something which I had apparently missed completely. Except that when the finale did air, we got exactly what my eyes and ears had registered during the panel - a quick “I get why you did what you did” scene between Cas and Dean, and that was all.
I’ve rarely been more proud of Dean than I was during this scene, because for once he didn’t go along with Sam’s “Woe me, dumb emotionally stunted Dean doesn’t understand what smart sensitive souls such as myself are going through” routine and stood up for himself instead.
Also, Donatello’s been in this state for a whole year. Seems to me like Sam’s successfully avoided thinking about it so far.
@3dakota60 replied: I could buy Dean’s giving up if they hadn’t already established several scenarios for his survival. This season hasn’t spent nearly enough time setting up Dean’s complete capitulation to defeat. They’ve tried everything.Really?Like what. We know that killing the angel doesn’t kill the host or is Nick more special than Dean. We know that Jack can kill archangels. We know that they can extract angel grace. When did they try any of that? There is no logic to Deans throwing in the towel. We needed more episodes dealing with his spiraling depression and hopelessness.
You’ve left comments over all my posts, but that doesn’t give any more weight to your statements, I’m afraid.
As a matter of fact, we do not know if Jack is able to kill archangels. Jack thinks he would have been able to kill Michael in the S13 finale, but we don’t know that for sure. And that was before Lucifer took Jack’s grace, which apparently takes several centuries to replenish or whatever. And even if Jack could still kill an archangel with the magic that’s burning off his soul it would no doubt consume the rest of his soul, leaving him soulless. Not a great alternative if you ask me.
Likewise, Nick surviving made ZERO sense. He should already have been dead a hundred times going by SPN’s vessel logic. The only reason he’s around is because Andrew Dabb’s crushing too hard on Mark P. to ever consider sparing us having to watch him yet another season.
If Michael is stabbed while inside Dean, the most likely outcome is Dean being dead as well.
And if Michael is forcefully cast out, in all likelihood it will kill Dean too. Because humans were not made to contain that kind of power.
As for the grace extraction ritual - if they extract Michael’s grace, Michael will be human inside Dean’s body with zero possibility of ending the possession, just like Cas continued to occupy Jimmy’s body when Metatron took his grace.
I’m not gonna repeat the other things I already said in other posts because I’m pretty sure you commented on those too.
But please do me a favour and stop pretending that it’s all so easy to solve and Dean’s just throwing in the towel because he’s too stupid or too desperate or both. It’s simply not true.
Dabb’s probably going to go for a LOL!canon solution in the end, and then you’ll be magically right, but until then the show’s previous canon still applies and it contradicts everything you’ve said.
I’m still waiting for Sam (and a large part of the fandom) to acknowledge just once that Sam doesn’t owe Dean forgiveness because all things considered Dean did reasonably well, because it’s so far in the past Sam had plenty of time to get over it, or because Sam is generous enough to be the bigger man - but that Dean should never have been placed in this position to begin with and that any discussion if Dean was a good abuse victim or a bad abuse victim completely misses the point.
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Seriously, “stuff I found on Google” people are the worst.
If you think that “I followed you to Hell and back” is a touching Winchester variant of “I love you to the moon and back”, you probably want to stop reading now, fair warning.
I’m still waiting for Sam (and a large part of the fandom) to acknowledge just once that Sam doesn’t owe Dean forgiveness because all things considered Dean did reasonably well, because it’s so far in the past Sam had plenty of time to get over it, or because Sam is generous enough to be the bigger man - but that Dean should never have been placed in this position to begin with and that any discussion if Dean was a good abuse victim or a bad abuse victim completely misses the point.
I like this gifset for what it shows about some very old behavior patterns that still need to be broken down between them. What I believe will really heal the brothers’ relationship and stop them both from feeling beholden and apologetic in turns is for them to recognize the ways in which they had the same shit to blame for their respective childhood experiences. Like, that they were in it both together doing the best they could and that they were both children.
This isn’t anti-Sam. I adore and empathize with him a ton. I think it’s just saying that, in a fully realistic way, he still hasn’t thought of his older brother and functional parent as someone who was also a child (because he wasn’t to Sam). The difference between how Dean appears in “After School Special,” where he’s in Sam’s POV and is a tall, badass teenager, and how he appears at what would be almost exactly the same age in “Bad Boys,” where he’s got a lot of bravado but is inescapably young and vulnerable, is the difference between how Sam and Dean remember him at 16…and before.
It’s not Sam hate to say that he has some progress to make on this still. He’s a developing character and that’s a great thing. He needs some kind of ah-ha moment similar to Dean’s with Mary where he sees how unfairly they were both treated. I’m crossing fingers and toes that this is a thing they might get with John’s return. They certainly foregrounded a lot in their 14x12 conversations (in addition to some in 14x11) so I’m thinking it’s at least possible.
I feel like we’re getting there? But not quite yet. Understanding, of course, how mandatorily cyclic this show is and that progress is always sort of finite in a way that it doesn’t have to tie into an endgame immediately – that is to say, stretchable for a renewal, at any point, but also nearing issue resolution – I still feel like their current status stacks up better. Wherein Dean has come to understand it’s not just his kid brother anymore (barring this histrionic episode in 14.12) – he’s a friggin’ leader and has his shit under wraps, so “take care of Sammy” is ironically less on the burning front end of his mind. His current direction is more “save the world,”
We can banter opinions of if it’s the right course or not to try again. I know from following the OP they have very strong opinions about the team free will ending that don’t align with mine, and that’s fine. Personally, considering they still have the stupid box, they could totally reasonably put Dean in it without dropping him into the ocean if push came to shove (though I’m a bit mystified of him just wandering around Lebanon in 300, but cest la vie).
I’m baffled by people who insist this episode displayed codependency. Which is where I’ve made giant assed posts that like bare minimum half of what this fandom calls codependency isn’t codependency, but independent traits that can align with codependency. Yes, there’s codependent moments in the show, but a moment of grief-stricken histrionics is not, unto itself, codependency. Histrionics can be part of codependent behavior, but so can depression, so unless anyone here who struggles with depression wants to think that automatically qualifies their depression streaks as codependency, we have an inherent problem with this narrative.
It wasn’t written with the finesse of other authors, because BuckLeming, but what we’re seeing is the MHI and stressed attributes of characters in grief, some of which build into true codependency. Being overly emotional to the verge of childish (while inebriated at that) during a grief stricken episode and essentially grieving is not codependency. Sorry. To both brodependency fans and people who talk about wanting the codependency to die, this fandom has passed around that term so casually and disproportionately at any sign of any trait that *does* match their true codependent spinouts, that it’s lost all meaning.
I hope you don’t mind OP jumping in here - because I would really like to know what prompts you to embrace the ending of the episode as something other than the codependency which Cas fans have raged against for years?
I for one completely fail to see how Dean’s decision to rather damn the world than cause his friends and family pain is different from the so-called “toxic codependency” that fuelled similar decisions in the past, such as Sam’s choice not to complete the trials, or Dean’s choice not to kill Sam in S10 - except that in this case Cas was part of it.
And I would also say that it’s also the same toxic mechanisms which prompted Cas, Dean and Sam to rip Jack from Heaven in Byzantium. So I really fail to see how the show’s narrative is moving away from that sort of thing rather than re-inforcing it (and making it palatable for Destiel fans by including Cas perhaps)?
Anyone else think Dean had flashbacks to his childhood when he comforted Sam after Sam punched him?
You can’t tell me he hasn’t been through that again and again with a drunk John.
Reblogging this for all the people who can’t read. I know that Dean’s punched Sam several times in the past. I also know that Sam’s punched Dean several times in the past. What I was talking about was the specific combination of someond being punched and then comforting the person who punched them.
I don’t think that John was physically violent on purpose. I think he sometimes lost control when he was drunk. Which he was quite a lot, according to Sam. (And we also know that he wasn’t the easiest guy to be around, considering that he seems to have had a falling-out with pretty much everyone he ever met.)
So I can easily picture him starting to cry after hitting Dean because he hadn’t really meant to do that, and Dean putting a hand on his shoulder or an arm around him and telling him, “It’s okay, Dad,” just like he did when John came home wrecked after his hunting trips.
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think we’ve ever seen that kind of combination before when one brother punched the other. Maybe keep that in mind before you start patronising me. Thank you.
I have to say it annoys the shit out of me that they don’t put the archangel-restraining handcuffs on Dean and leave them on until they find a way to safely get rid of Michael.
Michael could break through that door at any time, there is no way for them to know. The “guys who save the world” should not be so careless about the fate of millions and millions of people.
Stupid, stupid storytelling.
When Michael breaks free, they’ll all be like, “Ooops, never that saw that coming.”
Never mind that both Sam and Cas understand what it’s like to be possessed by an archangel, as I’ve been reminded several times this weekend, and should therefore remember that if either of them only managed to wrench control from Lucifer for like a minute,
assuming Dean can hold off Michael indefinitely is just wishful thinking.
But hey, maybe Michael will be polite enough to stick round for a bit and use them all as his personal punching bag, so that they’ll have the chance to slap the cuffs on him then?
