Bel's Destiny sideblog (Posts tagged eclipse energy)

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Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna

Anonymous asked:

Quick note for the last ask

When Zavala and Bael get to talk that one time during the campaign, Bael does mention something along the lines of "why are you so upset, nightfall won't even affect you anymore"

Oh true! I just found it:

Lightless Zavala. The people of the Last City are governed by immortals we did not elect and who do not step down. You may paint yourselves as saviors, but the truth of your autocracy is shame. After all, the Nightfall weapon will not hurt you. Not anymore. You have given everything. What’s left for you to prove?

Re: this ask. I guess that also answers the question about the Awoken, since Zavala is both Lightless and an Awoken, and Bael claims Nightfall wouldn’t hurt him. Of course, unless Bael is mistaken in some way, but for now that seems to answer that question.

Also in the same mission, which I just remembered as well, whether Bael knows about us: as suspected, he very much does:

Tell me what it’s like to kill a god. To feel the life force of an all-powerful being drain by your own hand. You’ve done it so many times.

He seems to only be interested in how that feels power-wise which I think plays into his belief that Guardians don’t really care about anything other than themselves and their personal power.

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feiofthefae asked:

Random question:

If the Nightfall weapon can sever the Light (and theoretically the Darkness, according to Blue) but it can't hurt Lightless Guardians like Zavala, do you think it would still have effects on them? Like would they feel sick or something? Also do you think Awoken would feel similar effects?

(spoilers obv)

I do wonder about that as well actually. As far as I remember, it hasn’t been tested against Lightless Guardians, but since it affects all paracausality, we can assume it would have some effect on them? Especially if they’re also Darkness users? Maybe. Probably depends on how Lightless Guardians are perceived by Eclipse energy. Do they still fall under the rules of paracausality that would make Eclipse at least have some effect on them? Very difficult to tell.

Good point about the Awoken as well, they’re kinda nearly inherently paracausal with how they were created, but it again depends on how Eclipse energy really functions. It’s interesting because it’s being used to suppress the Hive, who are also inherently paracausal due to their link to the Worms and Darkness.

We might have to wait for some more information about Eclipse energy to figure out the details. If they want to go into those details or if they become relevant.

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Anonymous asked:

I myself havent played renegades yet, but I did somewhat spoil myself a bit and went looking more into this eclipse power everyone was talking about. I'm not sure why, but I'm not that fond of the concept of such a power and that the nine have it.

It makes paracausality feel less special? That there's even more ways our space magic can just be negated and even destroyed. By causal beings no less. It makes the entities like the Traveler and Witness also look...i wouldn't say weak but kind of useless? No that's not the word. Too vulnerable? The Traveler already wasn't allowed to do much in the story and the few times it did take action it kind of looked useless.

Would Eclipse energy kill beings like The Gardener and Winnover?

That such a thing even exists makes me wonder why it was never used before. It just showed up, would a blast of that kill the witness? Just blast big dangers like Savathun and Xivu to death? Nezarec and Rhulk dead in one attack? Why would the nine even have such power? It just looks like it exists to counter paracausality for plot, overpowering so. Could the light and dark even fight it or block it? Or will it always eclipse (hehe) those powers?

Would Traveler be able to even defend itself against one of the Nine? Or would it lose because of said eclipse? Poor space orb, always targeted by with evil intent

The nine don't seem to be able to use it all that freely without help, like without the help of tech from the Barant I guess.

I know there's tech and certain forces that could supress light and dark to varying degrees but this just seems like a bit much to me

Idk, maybe that's the whole point. Like it's supposed to make us uncomftable and squirm. Perhaps I'm just a hater. Looks pretty tho, the red beam reminds me of sour cheeries in a jar a bit.

Well, the biggest issue is getting too ahead of ourselves. We know more or less nothing about Eclipse energy right now, including where it comes from and how it’s being used exactly.

The assumption is that it has to be connected to the Nine somehow, but it’s entirely unclear if this is something they can just blast naturally or not. I sincerely doubt it, because of the nature of the Nine being that they’re in a higher dimension and in order for them to interact with us, they have to make themselves vulnerable. Is this power even something they can use directly, or is it only possible in this circumstance where one of them is bound to a person and has a vessel to transfer this power and then this power also has to somehow be put into a weapon and can’t be used directly? Like, maybe this is only usable when channeled through a huge machine and any other way is impossible to make it work. We have no idea.

The Nine are kinda like… They seem to have immense powers that are largely incomprehensible to us, but they also have severe limitations because they exist outside of our dimension. This is also why they’ve been trying to escape it for a long time because it’s kinda like what’s the point of having these powers when you’re contained to a higher dimension. So a lot of answers to “why hasn’t this just been used before?” are simply “The Nine can’t use this on their own and not without risking themselves.” And also, ofc, their motivation. They have zero reason to fight our enemies for us, and as a matter of fact, they probably had plans to direct us into the role of a weapon that we don’t fully understand. That’s actually the biggest thing in question since Edge of Fate: how much of our path has been directed from the background of a higher dimension by the Nine? I don’t think it’s all of it, but they’ve definitely been setting things up to suit themselves.

There is also an option that the Nine are vulnerable to Eclipse energy too. So exposing it to us earlier wouldn’t have been very wise. Hell, most other Nine don’t agree with VI at all, so maybe the others didn’t want us to know about Eclipse at all. That is, if Eclipse IS at all something that is exclusive to the Nine. There’s simply way too many unknowns right now.

I do think it’s meant to make us feel uncomfortable and a little exposed to the wider universe, including giving us insight into the fact that the universe is a big place with much more going on that we still don’t understand.

But the most important thing right now is to not jump to conclusions. It’s the start of a new saga, we likely won’t have answers to many of these questions for a while, and things are being set up for future plotlines. Most of the new stuff is about things we are just being exposed to for the first time so it’ll take a bit to understand them fully!

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thorough-witness-enjoyer asked:

*puts on tin foil hat*

!!Renegades Spoilers!!

I was rereading some old Edge of Fate lore tabs when I read the “Ulterior Observation” entry on Ishtar.

On my first read, the color descriptions of the Collapse art pieces were strange as they were so different to the magentas, blacks and blues we associate with the Pale Heart portal, but revisiting them, I think they are hinting at something much bigger!!

“// Third image: Acrylic paint on wood. Bold blocks of color. Two spheres: the larger one blue with green swirls, the smaller one eggshell white. A deep red fills the background. The lines are mostly crisp. Some red has bled into the white sphere, where the artist left a light smudge trying to correct the error. //“ (Ulterior Observation)

Post-Renegades, I am inclined to believe that the red background bleeding into the Traveler might be Eclipse Energy and was a reason the Collapse failed!

Halting the Witness from entering the Traveler is a massive feat as it is resistant to both dark and light efforts, making anti-paracausal technology a plausible Sol defense as I doubt the Witness expected or was prepared to counter an unfamiliar energy at such a precious moment. It has such a mastery over darkness and light seems to wash over pyramids unless it’s a concentrated beam unfit to deal with a whole fleet, leading me to believe that there is another factor at play that lead to it retreating.

Eclipse would also explain why humans were able to survive a force strong enough to rid Sol of aggressors, as they are not paracausal, and why the Aionians in that entry did not receive any side effects a light blast would bring (like post-Red War where defeating Ghaul sent a wave beyond the heliopause).

The Traveler and the Veil being together in that drawing additionally implies this was before Savathûn hid the Veil and the chaos of the eclipse blast could be a strong alibi in her favor as to why everything went wrong! It might be capable of sinking pyramids and can be blamed for downing a certain nightmarish disciple! Savathûn’s interest in black holes, her interactions with Lavinia, plots against the Witness, and a want to transcend this universe gives her strong ties to Nine association.

From a writing standpoint, it would also be strange to include Collapse lore in the introduction to a saga about the Nine if the Nine were not involved in the matter, plus introducing a red energy called Eclipse only to have the emphasized red energy from this entry be a different force would be an odd choice.

But maybe I’m just cooking slop, idk, I just wanted to hear your thoughts on this! I’m always interested in your lore reads!

Take care!

Oooh, that’s a really interesting catch. My original reading of that drawing was just that the red symbolised something negative/angry/violent/bloody going on (perfect for a children’s hospital), but maybe there’s more to it than just the symbolism of the colour red.

If this energy is that powerful, this might also be a long-term thing we investigate and look into for dealing with bigger threats like the Conductor and the Nine.

Could also be a one time thing as a tie-in to Star Wars, but it definitely feels like a lot of effort to not consider it for more than that. Especially if this lore tab could be an early hint about it, something to look back on later and wonder.

We definitely need more information about it first and to see if they continue developing it (maybe we learn something new in the dungeon), but I’m definitely intrigued. New lore trenches unlocked. Will be paying close attention to anything in the same symbology for potential hints and information.

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