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Being Mortal by Atul Gawande
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Many people avoid the subject of what should be done when the elders in their family become too frail or sick or demented to live by themselves or if a family member, whether old or young, is told they have a fatal disease such as cancer. When such news happens, and it will happen, the fraught, sometimes guilty, sometimes extremely distressed, yelling and arguing which follows the diagnosis can produce wrong incompetent rushed decisions that can lead to lifelong regrets and self-recriminations which will hurt everyone involved forever.

Before those emotional conversations occur, I strongly recommend reading 'Being Mortal'. It may literally save you decades of horrific guilt-ridden recollections about how things worked out for a loved one who died. I think I need to emphasize the book does NOT use an approach of standardized lists or a how-to or for-dummies short descriptive set of procedures which should be followed. Instead, Dr. Atul Gawande writes beautifully and sensitively, without sentimentality, of his own observations about his patients and of his personal experience when his father died.

This is a grownup man writing about real situations. The case histories he has included may cover every question the reader may have, but while he demonstrates what people should be prepared for, he makes it clear every person has to decide how to proceed for themselves. His primary conclusion is that the person who is dying not only ought to be allowed to provide the family with guidance, even if indirectly, the family should try to accommodate as much as possible what those wishes are, even if the dying one cannot speak rationally, even if such accommodations shorten one’s life. This is, in my opinion, the right procedure to take. There is no question that a certain amount of personal toughness and a giving up of irrational hopes is required by everyone involved. The one who is dying needs to be cleaned and fed despite whatever wishes they may have, but if the family insists on a surgical procedure (for example, cutting out a cancer, or a third round of chemo and radiation) which provides no benefit of lengthening life expectancy, this is plainly insane and it cries out for some sort of counseling. Unfortunately, patients often cannot depend on their doctors to speak plainly, since as Dr. Gawande makes clear, doctors do not get much training, if any, on telling patients they have a disease which is killing them or that they have aged out of possible medical solutions.

One part of the issue is often the person involved will not discuss what should happen if they are dying or they ask for what is impossible to accommodate. These will not be easy conversations. However, there comes a point when talking it through cannot be avoided. This book definitely helps in what can be a confusing and distressing time. It offers many ways to open the discussion and what sort of things should be discussed. That in itself makes the book an essential read.

However, Death is not as terrible as living ‘independently’ for your last five years. Independence is hellish for many of my neighbors, but there is nothing on earth which will convince them they should have elderly care. I see many visits by adult children who vainly try to convince their parents they need assistance. What I see most often is service calls to cable companies, plumbers, electricians, neighbors, police and family members for help with household electronics and fixtures which inexplicably cannot be made to perform by the older person.

I live in a park of trailer homes which are primarily sold to those who are of age 65+. When we moved here, I actually was too young - I did not meet the age set as minimum (my husband met the qualifications). The cul-de-sac we moved into had mostly empty houses. We didn't know it at the time, but there had been kind of a 'die-off'. It seems most of the former owners were in their 60's when they had bought these trailers - like us - and all had aged to their 80's together. At that point, they all began to 'fail'. Now, I am seeing it happen again before my eyes, since I am one of the youngest owners and most of the people who bought in when we did are now turning 80.

The number one issue I have been seeing is the complete denial that aging problems are multiplying beyond one's personal capabilities. It is not so much they do not have access to care, it is more that they refuse care. In my state, there are almost no remedies to legally force an elderly person to accept care if they are able to prove under a quick brief test (conversation, mostly) they can answer questions logically. This problem of a lack of acceptance of personal frailty is covered by Dr. Gawande in “Being Mortal’ too. Based on the people in my senior park, I’d say it is the predominant problem that younger family members will face when trying to discuss their elder’s growing difficulties in living alone. This issue alone should put this book on everyone’s ‘must read’ stack.

I walk every day so I have met everybody in my neighborhood. I take fewer than four medications a day (a criteria for impairment) so, based on that, I’d have to conclude that I am among the healthiest here.

Most of these folks have trouble walking now for differing reasons (most of them were walking when I moved here ten years ago) and all of them take many many medications. I have watched them deteriorate from walking strong initially, standing straight on firm legs, to now being bent over and walking with unsteady steps, tottering in a very scary manner, obviously needing walkers.

The interiors of houses inevitably become dirtier and dirtier from a lack of cleaning and a growing number of various types of spills and falls and accidents. Seniors lose their abilities to taste, smell, hear, walk, and see. Many cannot hear the birds chirp, or the wind in the trees. I have caught some of my elderly neighbors eating spoiled food. Some have required me to pull them out of chairs from which only a year ago they were able to push themselves up. Bathing is impossible now for most without aids, especially shower chairs. The regular toilet seats are being replaced by puffy, inches-thick seats from which my feet almost dangle above the floor (I now try to avoid using their bathrooms). Others have become incapable of typing or operating a computer mouse because of deteriorating spacial processing and/or weakening, shaking hands. I saw that a neighbor no longer possessed strength to hold a book in her hands.

Many are clearly developing various degrees of dementia. They all are finding the ability to follow instructions harder, so the continuous updates of technology, especially cell phones and cable TV, are requiring a growing reliance on service calls. A few of my neighbors are requesting my husband to visit three or more times a week to fix whatever they have messed up on their remotes, having punched so many wrong buttons the programming on their remotes no longer works. There were only four people besides myself who were able to use computers ten years ago; of those, one is now completely unable to make sense of the monitor screen or Windows operating system any longer.

At least once a month a firetruck and ambulance pulls up somewhere in my park. I have seen several of my nearby neighbors have a firetruck and ambulance pull up to their houses near me, needing medics to put them back on their feet after falls that neither they or their spouses could get up from. I saw one of my neighbors having CPR performed on him. I saw one of my neighbors set herself on fire trying to cook on her stove, shakily picking up a pot while dipping her sleeve into another hot burner. I saw two people burn their hands taking objects from an oven, on two separate occasions, because they each forgot that stuff baked in an oven is hot. Four of my neighbors have died or been moved to Hospice.

At first, I was as startled by all of this as a deer in headlights. It didn’t seem possible this stuff was happening all around me to people I knew.

Old people often fight off all advice and families by tooth and nail, yet the price of leaving them in their own homes could be a shortened life or a serious injury. People dying of a deadly disease may insist on operation after operation, experimental procedure after procedure trying to find a cure. On whose authority should adult care be decided - the elderly or dying adults? The families? The state? Who makes the call enough is enough?

Frankly, I'm now beyond being amazed at how much 'autonomy and independence' society continues to allow the elderly infirm and demented if they refuse to recognize their infirmities. My state is now going to what they call 'Silver Alerts' when old people have disappeared for a few days from their house and someone has noticed. That seems to be the extent of care that my state can provide if someone past 65 refuses help.

What is frightening me is that no one can ‘make’ people stop trying to live as if they were physically as adept as they were ten years ago if they clearly can no longer live unaided, but they are refusing to accept their deficiencies or weaknesses are causing life-threatening incidents. There have been several emergency calls to police caused by various serious, bone-breaking falls, faints and cuts, as I mentioned earlier, but I have learned there is no mechanism in place to force compliance with medical care if the adult has no wish for professional care. Families only have the power of speech and intimidation, unless they resort to legal mechanisms which can take months, when they can be used at all.

I used to think, well, these elderly folks are adults and have rights to live as they please, and Dr. Gawande also argues this viewpoint to some degree. But after having seen the urine and poop everywhere in bathrooms bedrooms and living rooms, not cleaned until a younger person happens to visit whenever, or seeing mostly blind (cataracts, retina issues) adults eat rotten food they can't taste or smell, or seeing adults catch themselves on fire or burn their hands on stoves and ovens because they forgot that things are hot, or my closest friend here, who died this year, walking about on sharp stones barefoot in a bathrobe, when she had always dressed up, or people who repeat the same story in EVERY conversation and visit from neighbors, or my neighbor who fell in the bathroom and lay there for 4 hours calling for her husband, who couldn't hear her because he is almost completely deaf, so when he finally missed her, it took him another 20 minutes to walk 15 feet to the bathroom because he has dizzy issues and must use a walker that he is too weak to use well, after struggling out of his chair, and after finding her calling 911 because it needed three young men to lift her despite her small frame....etc etc etc., I don’t know anymore what the answers are. Yet, many elder-care institutions are nothing but prison cells, and the costs to insurance companies, families, personal savings and taxpayers are ruinous.

I have learned, for example, that a drug-addicted alcoholic 68-year-old woman, bent over now, needing a walker, who broke her hip last year, could hold off the police, fire dept. medics, social service workers and her family for two weeks while she lay in her own filth immobile on her couch! She could answer questions coherently. It wasn't until in a moment of uncertainty she agreed to go to the hospital she finally was taken to have her hip operated on. However, she screamed about having changed her mind all the way to the ambulance! She created so much attitude while in the hospital and so much resistance, that when she checked herself out, called a cab, and moved back into her trailer, people did not try very hard to talk her out of it. We neighbors cleaned her house, but we have no power whatsoever to help her, primarily because she quickly accuses everyone of stealing and abuse. She picks up temporary home helpers by picking them up from grocery store parking lots, and they scare the rest of us. She had a lawsuit against a grocery store because she fell, but she created such misery for her lawyer from dementia-induced conversations, he dropped her case. She takes a cab to a casino regularly, and falls asleep at the slot machines. The employees don't touch her or wake her. She has stayed the night with her head propped up on a machine. (Sometimes she calls my husband to drive her home, which is how we know.) She has two dogs. They poop all over the inside of her house. Occasionally, someone will scoop it up, when they visit, when she asks someone to do it.

This is the worst case so far where I live, but not the only terrible one I see occurring to lesser degrees all around me.

Dr. Gawande makes a good case that the reason elderly people resist being placed in nursing homes is that many institutions for the aged and infirm are too regimented and rule-bound, and rely heavily on stupefying drugs, more for the benefit of warehousing adults than actually caring for elderly people. He argues for providing care which takes the adult individual’s previous life into consideration, making allowances for their desires as much as what is necessary to keeping them alive. Being kept alive is a horror if all pleasure from being alive is erased.

Elderly people, including those with dementia, should be allowed those things which make life worth living - pleasant surroundings, reasonable privacy, pets, personal furniture, plants, etc. If they wish to sleep all day and watch TV all night, it should be permitted. A regimented activity-filled day without any input from the resident is one of the causes behind a lot of the elderly fighting off any efforts to get them out of their increasingly dangerous personal homes.

I'm 100% behind assisted suicide, by the way. It should be obvious to you, gentle reader, that Aging does not mean a quick romantic death, like that often imagined of a healthy adult dropping dead or dying in their sleep after a vigorous happy day, but instead is a protracted, often painful, ugly, ignominious and slow-wasting process. The best health care can't give an aging person back their abilities to walk, hold a book, or clean their own bodies. The person often is aware of their smelly decrepitude, mental losses and physical incapacity, and is ashamed. Here in my state, there has to be two doctors to sign off on giving drugs to die and there must be an estimation of six months to live.

After seeing how old age robs the person of good health, I am alternatively terrified and depressed. I have been seeing typical clues among my neighbors of oncoming death - such as not understanding what is on the TV, but staring at it 24/7, falling on the floor but being content to not call for help despite hours passing, eating spoiled food because the person no longer can judge on any level the condition of their groceries, continual body-waste accidents in one's chair several times a week without asking for help, missing meds even while they insist they took them, trying to walk around inappropriately dressed or attempting to drive, but instead ending up sitting in the car trying to move levers or get the key in the slot, etc. Reading is a lost art to these folks!

I suspect almost no elderly person who had a house will ever completely agree that they needed to be in an assisted living or nursing home. I suspect an older family member who has been installed in an institution will never fully accept that they no longer are competent. I think those of you who are anticipating such a struggle with their own elderly family members (or someone young who has been told they have a life-threatening disease) should definitely read this book. ‘Being Mortal’ will help readers be firmer and more knowing what to expect in that conversation, and be more knowledgeable in what to look for while shopping for a place of elderly care, or for medical care for someone who actually cannot be helped by another operation or new drug despite what the doctor offers.


We treat pet animals better, I think, generally. In America, our ethics are a bit all over the map on this, mine too. This book not only sheds some light on the problems, it also offers some methodology to help cut through the misery and confusion. Ultimately, resources and family input, along with the involved adult must be consulted and information synthesized. No one will be entirely happy with the result, in my opinion. But until the Fountain of Youth is discovered, we are all going to have to accept compromises and the despair of no happy endings, sometimes, of the person we are trying to help.

Something which helps me is reciting, “where you have no power, there is no responsibility.” I think it is VERY helpful in deciding what you can actually do about terrible situations.
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November 22, 2015 – Started Reading
November 22, 2015 – Shelved
November 22, 2015 –
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17.73% "Absolutely superb book."
November 27, 2015 –
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99.29% "Fantastic book. This is one to keep."
November 27, 2015 – Shelved as: favorites
November 27, 2015 – Shelved as: non-fiction
November 27, 2015 – Shelved as: unbearably-sad
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Lilo I am about to go to bed. So I have to postpone reading this review. If I haven't LIKEd it by Sunday evening, please remind me.


message 2: by Cecily (new)

Cecily "Superb book", you say. Superb review, I say. Very powerful.


message 3: by Janebbooks (last edited Aug 09, 2017 10:10AM) (new)

Janebbooks All we older folks should be better off in this modern America we live in. When I read your first sentences, I was hoping this book would counsel young baby boomers to help their parents in making good choices for the last years of their lives. Perhaps it does do just that. Cautionary tales of sordid older lives, which remind me of an Erskine Caldwell novel about living conditions in the 1930s in the Deep South, teach nothing.
We are in a healthcare crisis now that affects all but especially the elderly. We need to strength Medicare and have a single payer medical insurance like Medicare for all.
I'm old enough to remember situations before Medicare. Young folks had to put their dreams on hold to take care of elderly parents, to help them emotionally and financially. Maybe I'm being a pessimistic but I don't think we have instilled enough appreciation in our children. We haven't taught them to honor their parents or given them strength and education to make right decisions for them. It's a monkey-see, monkey-do world out there!
Medicare has over the years provided professional care, provided medicines, and provided special nursing (in or outside the home) for our elderly. Both young and old should be grateful that our government has given us a dignified way to enjoy last years of life.
Your review is powerful aPril...just not convincing. Except for assisted suicide for our terminally ill...with which I agree.
Jane


message 4: by aPriL does feral sometimes (last edited Aug 09, 2017 02:13PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

aPriL does feral sometimes There is a general pattern to lower and middle middle-class American aging for this generation. A married couple ages out of being able to take care of their 'stick' (wood) home, so they sell it - gaining about $500,000 in savings. Maybe they both have pensions, but for this generation, usually only the man has one. Social security - the woman maybe has it, maybe not. The man has about $1500-2500 a month in social security benefits but usually the woman has far less ($500-1500) or none at all.

My neighbor is 95. She can no longer drive. She is getting $500 a month in Social Security. She could live on it thirty years ago, with a bit of pension money coming in. Inflation, however, has ate up the value of $500. The pension is gone - we old people outlive our pensions, if we had them at all, in about 20 years, give or take five years, depending on what illnesses we have.

Medicare and MedAdvantage plans have NO coverage for using nursing homes. Medicaid is available for nursing home care after all savings and assets are gone, excepting any one main house and a car.

I wonder what those Republican State citizens are doing since their governors refused the extras made available under extended Medicaid programs.

Old people do not need to stay in nursing homes forever for awhile. We ping pong for a few years. We go in then out, in and out, then finally in for good.

Credit card companies reduce their available credit limits on old people's cards or cancel them.

Lots of pharmaceutical drugs have no or minimal MedAdvantage coverage -none at all under straight Medicare. Let me repeat that. Medicare has NO pharmaceutical drug coverage.

Under MedAdvantage, depending on what plan an old person is buying for the year (old people still have to pay for a health insurance plan if they want coverage beyond the very minimal Medicare plan), there is none to minimal coverage for many drugs. Most people over 60 are on an average of 8-15 drugs a month, with that number going up every year. Asthma drugs are barely covered by most insurance plans. Most of the 70-year-olds around here pay out-of-pocket hundreds of dollars for an average of 15 necessary drugs a month.

We mostly have heart disease, diabetes, kidney failure, eye diseases, lung diseases. If you go without drugs, your body gets sicker and tries to die. Old people become mentally stunned, slow thinking, dull witted, when sick. However, someone inevitably sends you to the hospital where they keep you alive for thousands of dollars without really asking old people what they want. We elders who are in a health crisis tend to think slower if we are conscious, and in the moment many of us can't remember how to talk (really really true) or think in truisms, plus family insists on their elders being saved, although adult children do not pay because they don't have the money either - If the family can come - many adult children move far away.

Ambulance rides are not covered or fully covered in most plans. Deductibles and co-pays for hospital stays are thousands of dollars. My other neighbor - diabetes, a paralyzing stroke which caused half of her body to become non-functional 15 years ago - needed an ambulance seven times in the year before she finally died. Usually the hospital was needed to stabilize her diabetic issues which caused the medical crisis of the month. While she took her drugs and watched her diet, the body simply loses the ability to respond to drugs and diet -slowly. Years of slow decline, usually about five, once such issues of not responding to care begin.

My husband had double pneumonia a few years ago - induced coma, vent, two hospitals and a nursing home - in a bed for five months - it cost almost a million dollars. I got bills for thousands of dollars for things Medicare and MedAdvantage did not cover. The nursing home cost $8,000 a month - he needed to relearn how to walk and eat and sit and talk and think after the coma - two months of a stay in a nearby (I cannot choose the nursing home, it depended on available space) this time, but the illness weakened him irreparably nonetheless. No exercise causes muscles to melt away in a few weeks.

The heart is a muscle. It enlarges. More drugs needed. Smokers need three times the drugs to live. Multiple organs stress out every year past 70, but the miracle of healthcare means elders are living to 90, even if the body is half gone. Three-fourths of my neighbors are 85-95.

Out of curiosity, I sat down and worked out how long savings would last if someone had savings of a million dollars if someone went into a nursing home. It would have lasted about 5-8 years of nursing home bills. We qualified for Medicaid and we still owed thousands to the various hospitals and nursing facilities and doctors and medical supplies. Yes, hospitals will charge $100 for a toothpick.

Most in-home aide services have been cut by Medicare and Medicaid, so a helper can come maybe three times a week. Meals for seniors programs have been cut back - five days only, one meal. My car expenses have increased as has my insurance - insurance goes UP when you get old.

My senior park insists we pay for rent, electricity, and landscaping. If we want cable and internet, we pay. Most of us have to pay for a gardener since we can't do the heavier stuff. We have to pay to keep up the aging trailers - paint, rotting wood and skirting, leaking roof and plumbing failures ($7,000 for a new roof, minimal, using non-union off-the-books construction). Rent is currently $700. Thankfully no mortgage on the trailer, but some of us have that too. Apartments are going for $2,000 a month for a studio. Electricity runs about $400 a month in winter (we keep it turned down).

From my experiences at the park, savings and IRAs and pensions are gone around age 82-85, depending on illnesses.


aPriL does feral sometimes P. S. Does anyone wanna talk about funeral costs? A casket can be $5,000. Just the casket.

Religion strictures, customs and mores often mean funeral directors can clear $25,000 to $50,000 a middle-class death. Some religions and personal beliefs mean no cremations.


message 6: by Kalin (last edited Aug 10, 2017 01:17AM) (new)

Kalin April, thank you for your detailed overview. I'm sending it to a couple of friends who are curious about how US social security works (or may need to use it one day).


aPriL does feral sometimes Kalin wrote: "April, thank you for your detailed overview. I'm sending it to a couple of friends who are curious about how US social security works (or may need to use it one day)."

Excellent.


message 8: by Janebbooks (last edited Aug 10, 2017 02:51AM) (new)

Janebbooks aPriL does feral sometimes wrote: "There is a general pattern to lower and middle middle-class American aging for this generation. A married couple ages out of being able to take care of their 'stick' (wood) home, so they sell it - ..."

Pattern needs to be broken!
Lifestyle needs to be lowered!
Diet needs to be stricter.
(I've been a widow for 40 years ... retired for 20 years. I have two grown daughters. I've lived--and live--with relatives. I cost-share reasonable food--shelter. I have pay-as-you-go Medicare. I had parents who grew up in the Great Depression and taught me the way.)

All one needs is a bed, a kitchen, and a nearby library!
And ice cream every now and then.
And a small Social Security check--a reward for working hard since age 16...
And a good mind-set.

Jane


message 9: by Lilo (last edited Aug 10, 2017 12:27PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lilo Hi, aPril,

When I first came across your review of the above book, I had to postpone reading it and, then, forgot, not necessarily because of dementia (even so I am sure I have a bit of it) but because of too many activities on GR and also in real life.

When I just got an e-mail notifying of comments on your review, I finally read your review and also the following comments.

I can only say that I am deeply moved, and I cannot thank you enough for describing what "living independently" means when one is no longer able-bodied and/or has dementia.

I will be 78 years old in November; my husband will be 75 in January. Luckily, we have assets, but who knows how long they would last if we became long-term nursing cases.

My husband and I do not have any living descendants. (My daughter from my 1st marriage died in a car accident, in 1987, at age 25.) Nor do we have any other relatives we would want to have much to do with. Just like almost all elderly people, we are terrified about possibly ending up "institutionalized" and losing all our freedom. Therefore, ever since 2002, we have been been hiring quite a number of people (male and female), one after another, to work for us as a household help and caretaker (and when we are out of town as a petsitter) and who should later be our caregiver in case we were not so lucky as to drop dead but were to become nursing cases.

The results have been catastrophic. Most stole from us. (Could not even wait until we were demented enough not to notice it.) Two tried to "take over". Those who were petsitting failed terribly. We came back into a pigsty and found our animals in bad shape. (One ailing cat died earlier than he had to. Some other cats almost died and could be barely saved. The rather resilient dogs were found without food and water.) Can you imagine how these people would have taken care of us once we had become helpless?

We presently have a household help, who functions as petsitter when we are out of town. She works out fairly well but not quite as we had been hoping for. Her whole family (husband and 2 grown daughters) had promised to fill all our needs (they knew that they would inherit plenty), but the husband has been (ethically) very disappointing, and the daughters, who live in Salt Lake City, (who were supposed to take care of our yard of our 2nd home in SLC) let us down completely and caused us lots of trouble and unnecessary expense. Our household help herself is also problematic. When she applied for the job, she assured us that she was very able-bodied and could do not only all inside but also all outside work, while her husband could do the very heavy work.

As it turned out, she has severe health problems (bad back, bad knees, just as I have), frequent migraine attacks, and the habit of cooling off after sweating, causing her to come down with colds and risking my life. (I have a history of 8 pneumonias and an uncountable number of serious other respiratory infections, some of which life-threatening. The last one left me with severe shortness of breath. Any simple respiratory infection I catch can be my last one.) Besides, she does not quite meet our hygiene standards. Thus, instead of being our housekeeper/caretaker, she is now only our household help, and we worry quite a bit about her ability to be our caregiver. Besides, she is very religious (Mormon), and we are not too fond of organized religion. This has already caused some friction. Nevertheless, she is the best petsitter we have had since we have animals here (i.e., since 1998). She and her husband have lots of animals themselves and would take over ours (with our property) if we were dead or no longer able to care for them. (I am not so sure, however, whether they would keep our chickens for pets once they stopped laying eggs. They slaughter their own chickens.)

Just as you, we are 100% behind assisted suicide. Unfortunately, this is not an option in our state (Utah). Moving is not an option. We have 19 cats, 2 dogs, and 9 (also beloved) chickens. Our animals are our children. Besides, we have numerous real estate properties here in Utah, some of which are rental properties. We have tried to downsize but "missed the boat". We live in oil country, and with the oil price down, real estate cannot even be sold at dumping prices (and 3 of our 4 rentals stand vacant).

With our household help not able-bodied (and her husband rarely available when needed and also with a bad back), we had to hire a Peruvian spot worker for heavy work. This guy is nice and friendly but doesn't speak English and has the brains of a soda biscuit.

So here we are--overloaded with work and worried sick about our future. I can hardly do anything, other than planning and organizing (for which my husband is absolutely not talented). My husband (who only weighs 120 lbs) is fairly able-bodied for his size, but is not all healthy either.

If my husband, whom I love more than my life, died before me, I would not only be devastated but would be, more or less, a nursing case. (I need assistance when taking a shower. I can't lift anything. And when I bend down [e.g., to put on shoes] for longer than 1 second, I get to regret it for days or even weeks or months.)

On the other hand, if I would die before my husband, it might end up disastrous as in the cases you picture in your review. We both have a bit of dementia (my husband more than I). Yet while I am aware of it and work around it (i.e., never rely on my memory, keep things tidy, and keep notes and lists), my husband does NOT take his dementia into consideration. He keeps relying on his memory (which always fails him), and he is a messy hoarder. And what's worse: He is a do-it-yourselfer and despises to delegate anything. I am afraid that if I died before him, he would let our household help go, and the result would be disastrous. Besides, without me fighting with teeth and claws and regularly kicking my husband's ass, our house would be total chaos.

Well, maybe our new "Great Dictator" will soon cause a WWIII, or a major EMP or cyberattack will happen, and then, in a year's time, only about 10% of all Americans living now will be alive after one year, and it is unlikely that we will be among these.

Nevertheless, we are presently doing doomsday prepping (knowing that this will be of very limited use in any of the above cases) because my husband has a very strong survival instinct and our animals do, too. :-)


message 10: by Lilo (last edited Aug 10, 2017 01:22PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lilo @ Janebooks:

I am sorry, but I have to say that you fail to take a lot of things into consideration.

You are lucky that you can live with relatives you seem to get along with. Only very few people are so lucky.

What you don't realize is that most people do not just need a bed, a kitchen, a nearby library, and an ice cream now and then. They need more than that. They need transportation. They are no longer able to do their own cleaning. They need assistance with taking a shower and getting dressed. Some need more expensive diet food. And how about dentist bills? They are not covered by medicare. Neither are meds. And co-pays for doctor's visits also add up.

Take me, for instance. I can no longer do any physical work to speak of. I need assistance taking a shower, getting dressed, and putting on shoes, lest I end up with back pain that lasts for days, weeks, or even month, and lest I might take a fall. If I didn't have my husband, I'd need caregiving. (I just fell twice within 12 hours, 2 1/2 weeks ago. Injured myself. Could have ended up dead or, worse, a human vegetable.)

With my chronic respiratory problems, I need at least 1 big box of Kleenex per day. I also need Omeprazole (for my acid reflux), and I Albuterol (for my asthma), which is not exactly cheap. Actually, I should be taking some regular asthma medication that costs $ 300 for a month's supply. It did help my asthma, but I no longer take it because it gave me a terrible rash in my face.

And, of course, like everybody who does not live next to a bus stop (and is able-bodied enough to take a bus), I need transportation. The upkeep of a vehicle is rather costly. (And using cabs is not cheap either.)

All these things cost money and would be a major problem with a social security cheque of only $ 500.

And there I am not even talking about other things that determine quality of life, such as keeping a pet. If pet food won't get a person broke on a $ 500 cheque, vet bills will.

While you, in your present (!) situation might get by with a $ 500 social security cheque, most elderly people would not. And here I am not talking about people who waste money (which, unfortunately, most Americans do) but about people who are frugal and spend their money wisely.

I fully agree with whatever aPril says.


aPriL does feral sometimes Thanks to everyone for your comments. I find them very interesting and they certainly add to the conversation.

Janebbooks - the way life plays out for people does not permit them to be able to have or to make the choices you have. Severe illnesses and family issues - and money, social class and life history - close and open doors with different opportunities and tragedies for each of us. At some points of our individual timelines, each of us has a choice, but at other points we are helplessly swept along in unavoidable disastrous flash floods, or into lucky safe havens. This has certainly happened to me and most people I know. When I have a choice, that is best, but often my life has been derailed by things that were as bad and unexpected as if I was pushed in front of a train from behind by someone.

Lilo - although many details of our lives are different, we are SO on the same wavelength emotionally and intellectually! I had the exact same thoughts about 'the Great Dictator' and the maybe war he is trying hard to start as well! Wow!

The beloved animals about which we have shared a few stories with other before this clearly are not the only thing we agree on! ; )


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Lilo aPriL does feral sometimes wrote: "Thanks to everyone for your comments. I find them very interesting and they certainly add to the conversation.

Janebbooks - the way life plays out for people does not permit them to be able to hav..."


You are right. We ARE on the same wavelength emotionally and intellectually. So how about you send me a long-overdue friend request?


aPriL does feral sometimes : O

I thought we were! Probably dementia, Lilo....never mind! I will remedy this IMMEDIATELY! Gosh where was my mind? Well, what's left of it.....

: )


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Lilo aPriL does feral sometimes wrote: ": O

I thought we were! Probably dementia, Lilo....never mind! I will remedy this IMMEDIATELY! Gosh where was my mind? Well, what's left of it.....

: )"


Your friend request has just been graciously accepted. :-)


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David Gustafson This is certainly a topic that deserves a much broader discussion. Even some of the more sophisticated European countries with excellent elder care seldom bring this difficult conversation into the public domain.


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aPriL does feral sometimes David wrote: "This is certainly a topic that deserves a much broader discussion. Even some of the more sophisticated European countries with excellent elder care seldom bring this difficult conversation into the..."

I suspect American aging elders and people who have slow-growing fatal diseases will continue to be swept under the rug until baby boomers, of which I am one of millions in our generation, are either wandering about our annoyed adult children's homes underfoot needing constant attention or we are filling up all the available beds in hospitals everywhere without any ability to pay.

Hundreds of sick people in this neighborhood or that one are beneath general notice. Hundreds of thousands of sick or dying people will finally become a real distraction, especially if their bank accounts fail to supply enough funds to pay hospitals, many of whom by law have to accept desperately ill folks.

The question is though, will 'death with dignity' ideas predominate, overcoming Christian teachings against suicide, or will government and families step up to provide assisted housing and expensive end-of-life healthcare? Or will we simply accept sick and wandering old people in the streets like we are doing with the mentally ill, with their bodies occasionally being found on business doorsteps and alleys?

Based on what I've seen in the last forty years, I am betting on the last suggestion I made, frankly.

I watch the news from Japan rather avidly, I admit. They are resorting to robots for the infirm. Nobody seems to like dealing with human bodies that aren't young and healthy.


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Kim Davis Wow, April. You said so much in this review. This is a huge issue we are currently sweeping under the rug in America. I am in the thick of this with both my parents, one in assisted living, the other so far away, there's nothing I can do but worry. Both are in various stages of anger, denial, and depression about losing their independence. I, meanwhile, waver between wishing I could do more for them and resenting their bull-headedness. I know I am one of many in this situation brought on by a dying generation of baby-boomers who thought they were immortal. Our society is a wreck, and this, like the disintegrating education system, is just one more example of the breakdown in relationships that used to be handled much more humanely when the economy allowed time for families to take care of their own.


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Lilo Kim wrote: "Wow, April. You said so much in this review. This is a huge issue we are currently sweeping under the rug in America. I am in the thick of this with both my parents, one in assisted living, the oth..."

I agree with everything you say.

And I would like to add the following:

While most of the dilemma is lousy politics, there is in most cases also individual failure: Part of the reason our society is a wreck is this "Buy Now, Pay Later" attitude. I do not understand why Americans don't save. Many don't make enough money to save much, but most of those who do, don't save either.

And let's face it, the Baby Boomer generation got spoiled by their parents and spoiled its children even more. Many of these, meanwhile grown up, kids never learned responsibility.

Add to all this: Older people tend to get less flexible in their habits. They also tend to get more egocentric, demanding, selfish, and stubborn. Most older people seem to be unable to recognize that their demands towards their (grown) children are unreasonable and significantly affecting their children's quality of life. It's either "Do what I want you to do for me," or "I'll see to it that you will have a bad conscience." This is nothing new. I think older people have been like this for thousands of years.

The main reason for this attitude of older people is probably that their bodies are failing and basic chores (such as getting dressed, keeping clean, and whatever else they can still do themselves) have become more strenuous and exhausting. Thus, their exaggerated demands are a bit of a survival attitude. Not only their bodies are failing, their brains are failing, too. Planning and organizing gets more difficult for most of them. In other words: They no longer cope one way or another.

Take my husband and me:

My husband is still much more able-bodied than I am, while I am quite a wreck with severe shortness of breath, a bad back, (so far undiagnosed) crucial pain between my ribs, a bad shoulder, and bad knees. Being in such bad shape, I tend to overburden my husband with physical work. It's so much easier to say, "Please get me this, please get me that", than to get up myself when it hurts so much and I might fall (which I just recently did and hurt myself), and while I am so terribly short of breath.

My husband, on the other hand, makes things so difficult for me and himself by not adhering to my instructions and goofing up all my planning and organizing on a regular basis. My husband (who has Asperger's syndrome) has always been bad at planning and organizing, and now with progressing dementia, he has become terribly dysfunctional and should count his blessings that I am still good at planning and organizing. Unfortunately (like most men), he can be stubborn as a mule. Since he wants to avoid confrontation, he usually claims afterwards that he forgot my instructions. (I put major planning in writing, but I cannot put every little shit in writing. Our dining area is already overflowing with lists and notes. Anything my husband takes to the office gets buried. And while my husband has notes in his smart phone, he rarely looks them up.)

Yes, I know, older people get more difficult to live with and deal with. And there is probably little that can be done about this, because older people have little talent to learn something new.

I think the most important thing is to get them to face it when they have memory loss or dementia (I don't really know at what point memory loss officially becomes dementia).

My husband and I both have memory loss or even dementia. (My husband has it more than I have it.) The main difference is that I am aware of it and work around it; that is, I rarely rely on it that I might remember something but, instead, make notes and keep things fairly tidy, whereas my husband usually relies on his lousy memory capacity, looses his notes if he makes any, and is not only untidy but creates chaos wherever he goes. Therefore, a lot of things go wrong and we use valuable time and also money. Yet my husband has very little insight and thinks all our problems are that "I don't give him enough time [to do things right and avoid making a mess]". I have told him many a time that I am not God and don't create time. I keep telling him that it takes less time to keep things in order than to tidy/clean up a big mess and spend hours to look for misplaced things (I have found deeds of our real estate properties carelessly deposited in the garage), but it is fruitless. Part of my husband being dysfunctional is Asperger's, yet part is memory loss or dementia.

I am telling you this to take into account that most of the unreasonable behavior of older people cannot be remedied. All you can achieve, with a lot of luck, with some (but not all) older people, is that they acknowledge that they have memory loss or dementia and, therefore, can no longer rely on their memory but have to get all the help they can to work around it, that is, make notes, keep everything tidy, and first and foremost, set alarms so that they won't put the house on fire.

My husband and I took care of my mother (together with a nursing service) when she became a nursing case in 1996. My mother (a narcissist) was terribly demanding. She drove me nuts, and I still admire my husband's patience with her. My mother could hardly walk (with a bad hip), had a clostridia hospital infection that caused untreatable diarrhea, had no control over her bowels due to radiation of her colon cancer, had, thus, run diarrhea over her arms and hands while trying to clean herself when sitting on the toilet. Can you imagine my mother with diarrhea all over her, my husband and I helping her to the bathtub (where my husband would rinse her off), my mother stopping on the way, holding herself on the sink (which was not strong enough to hold her but might crash down), and my mother not listening to us telling her not to put her weight onto the sink (as we had told her numerous times before) and ordering us in a commando tone to immediately get her her lip balm because she had dry lips?

(Btw, my mother was addicted to using lip balm. We buried her with her lip balm.)

We spent every day from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. at my mother's apartment. (The nursing service came early in the morning and also at noon and at 6 p.m.) I spent the mornings cooking. We ate dinner (!) at 10 a.m. before we drove to my mother (for whom we had rented an apartment 10 driving minutes away from us). We could neither use my mother's bathroom (clostridia is contagious, besides my mother spent most of her time in the bathroom) nor her tiny kitchen ourselves. Thus, our needs had to wait until we would get home after 7 p.m. Then, at 11 p.m. my husband would return to my mother and take care of her. It would usually take him until 1 a.m. to get her cleaned up. Then, when we were finally in bed and asleep, my mother would phone us between 3 and 4 a.m. and ask my husband to come again because she had to go pee. We'd tell her every day that this was impossible because my husband needed his sleep badly. We were sorry, but my mother would have to pee into her diaper. Most times, my mother reacted with being mad at us. A few times, my mother reacted with pulling the string of her emergency device. Then, we had to jump out of bed, get dressed, make it down 3 fleets of stairs, jump into our car, race to my mother's place, that is, park where we would find a spot (usually not very close), and struggle in our slippers through a foot of snow to make it to my mother's apartment before the ambulance did lest they would break in the door.

So we had our share of troubles with my mother.

Thank God, we don't have any responsibilities with my husband's nasty mother, who is now 94 years old and in Germany, in a nursing home. (But this is another story.)


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Reet Ay, aPriL, what a review!
You give an eye-opening pov about the reality of end of life, for those who haven't gotten a first-hand look, of their own life, or the life of their loved one.
I personally believe our government (rather the elite and their corporations, who are our real rulers) take a hands-off approach to the elderly, the mentally ill, the poor, in the hopes that they'll just die off massively and quit taking up Medicare and Medicaid dollars.
When my widowed father, living two states away, living with my mentally ill, disabled, resentful brother, began falling down in his home, with my brother either with his caretaker girlfriend or lying on his bed with the door closed, and I found out about it, I started plans to get him moved in with me. It's not my home, i have to live by the charity of my ex-husband, who ruined me financially in our divorce. He agreed to let my dad come live with us. None of my siblings offered to care for my dad, though two of them had incomes over $200K a year.
My dad was already so sick that he didn't live Longer than 9 months with me, in and out of the hospital and nursing home. I washed him, gave him his meds, took over his bill-paying and managing his doctor appointments and driving him to them, cooked for him and brought him his meals, settled him on the couch with his doggy and Netflix (and instructions on how to navigate it, which he could never follow), helped him go to the bathroom and cleaned up his accidents, in the last year before my retirement.
I tried my best but I wish I had read this book before. I know he missed his home. I have regrets that I didn't know better how to care for him, yet I know I did my best at the time.
Thank you for your important review. You are a wonderful person.


aPriL does feral sometimes Thank you, Rita, for the compliment and for adding your personal experiences. I am hoping someone political or maybe some elitist billionaire looking for a cause, or even only seeking tax breaks, will take notice there is a tsunami of old and sick with no money for the health services they are getting despite having no money, going bankrupt and who are kneecapping their adult children and health providers with unpaid debt. There are more and more old people and fewer young people. I must admit I am very curious about what is going to happen when the tipping point of unpaid medical debt happens, and it WILL happen. The debts old and sick people rack up are incredible, so far an apparently invisible catastrophic financial weight happening to more and more people.


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