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The Argonauts by Maggie Nelson
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Um.

'The Argonauts' is about gender, pregnancy, and other things. The name 'Argonaut' is borrowed from a book passage in Roland Barthes by Roland Barthes. It refers to a boat, and the answer is if you replace every particle of the boat, it is still the same boat called Argonaut, and how that compares to saying "I love you" to a person, renewing the meaning by each use, "the very task of love and of language is to give to one and the same phrase inflections which will be forever new." The author thinks the passage is romantic. Her partner sees it as a possible retraction.

o _ O

I know, right? Too too precious.

I'm supposed to either love or respect this book because of the intellectually elastic writing interwoven with high-end educated philosophical musings with a lot of quotes and passages from famous Intellectuals and writers pasted in here and there; and because of the author Maggie Nelson, who is a respected poet and critic; and because its disjointed narrative pieces and paragraphs of subject matter are artistically wobbled about and around in a post-modern literary style, which amounts to stray thoughts, philosophy, autobiography and TMI medical shi* pasted in willy-nilly, perhaps artistically.

A subject is dropped for awhile for a digression, which is examined briefly before the author returns to what she had been thinking about or doing, or not. Ideas and musings and autobiographical bits are mixed in with no particular linkage, except the subject rolls around female body issues and pregnancy. Some bits are extremely clinical and detailed about the vagina and anus, other bits are dealing with personal and public confusions with gender definitions which have become as fuzzy as quantum physics (my interpretation and words - I finished a science book recently about quantum effects).

There is a lot of brief intellectualized literary sketches of bliss, wonder and fear about babies, the process of getting pregnant, the pains of carrying a growing fetus, how various types of people react to babies and pregnancy filtered through culture and gender perceptions and unwanted medical fad advice given on the streets or standing in line for a movie or with smokers, etc.

Actually, despite the literary clever Modern/Post-Modern academic filter of the author's writing, she appears to me like a 13-year-old girl who wore a dubious fashion choice to school (I mean the pregnancy and her sexuality), and is alternating between defending and explaining the effect she was going for, while harboring secret doubts that it is a really stupid outfit and so she asks all of her best friends in the bathroom if she should go home and change..

The author feels outraged or conflicted or confused or thoughtful in language which is written in poetic university-speak code words usually used for Ph.D. thesis-level papers, only fragmented and memoir-personalized, although this stuff is what every mother goes through whether she is a Ph.D. Literature or Philosophy professor or a 16-year-old. The difference is the author has the ability to use $5 words, concepts and ideas in a post-modern stream of consciousness layout (at least it is punctuated and in paragraphs), about a subject most people would rather read if written more familiarly like in a typical memoir using 5-cent words and jokes.

The author is a lesbian, the book chronicles her pregnancy and some of her relationship with her partner, the artist Harry Dodge, who is a transgendered FTM. I understand why pregnancy is fraught with emotional and intellectual baggage for her, after all, she is a brain who processes everything in a prism of high-end thinking and academic literary concepts, but this book is an ego project, self-centered and unpleasant to read.

I found the book a chore to read and boring once I understood it is about her personal angst about pregnancy, with heavily-freighted emotional and philosophical observations filtered through her education, cultural experiences, relationship and gender anxieties, written in a style only academic literary intellectuals would want to bother with deciphering. A book club selected this for the read of a month; I don't know if it was for the challenge, if so, I don't think it is worth the struggle. If, gentle reader, you want to simply enjoy a read about person having a typical pregnancy while having lesbian anxieties on top of the usual issues of having a baby, written in literary academic coded language so that this little 100-page or so fragmented, name-dropping, literary- and philosophical-loaded allusion-heavy memoir will take you a month of re-reading to understand, this is perfect.
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Reading Progress

May 6, 2016 – Started Reading
May 8, 2016 – Shelved
May 8, 2016 – Shelved as: dnf
May 8, 2016 – Shelved as: forgot-to-turn-on-the-oven
May 8, 2016 – Shelved as: memoir
May 8, 2016 – Shelved as: non-fiction
May 8, 2016 – Finished Reading
July 9, 2016 – Shelved as: too-sensitive-to-live-cuz-im-artist
March 10, 2021 – Shelved as: lgbtqia

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message 1: by Cecily (new)

Cecily Replacing the particles of the boat reminds me of an old poem of a Beefeater showing a tourist round the artifacts in the Tower of London, including an executioner's axe:

"Tho’ it’s ‘ad a new ‘andle and perhaps a new head
But it’s a real old original axe."
http://monologues.co.uk/Beefeater2.htm
Possibly more fun than this book was for you.

(And presumably Barthes borrowed the name Argonaut in his turn from Jason in Greek mythology.)


aPriL does feral sometimes Cecily wrote: "Replacing the particles of the boat reminds me of an old poem of a Beefeater showing a tourist round the artifacts in the Tower of London, including an executioner's axe:

"Tho’ it’s ‘ad a new ‘and..."


: D

Excellent poem!

Everything old may be renewed to honor the original, like names and love - and executioner axes, hehe!, but in the context of this book, even though she meant a comment about people growing old together, it felt more like an allusion of a 'plastic surgery' of writing about love, as in not authentic, but of course, this is just my opinion. : )


Elisa Dell'Aglio Cecil of course he did.


message 4: by aPriL does feral sometimes (last edited Aug 24, 2016 12:19AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

aPriL does feral sometimes I love ancient Greek mythology. Sometimes though it seems as if EVERY literary writer MUST have a reference to some ancient Greek poem, play or myth somewhere in the book. In this book it is upfront and center.

One of the versions of Jason and the Argonauts I have linked to below:

http://www.pbs.org/mythsandheroes/myt...

Interestingly, in this version, Jason is killed by a decaying beam from the rotting ship 'Argo' falling on his head.


message 5: by Yoy (new)

Yoy I stopped. I would have stopped anyway, but stopped sooner thanks to you and so did not spoil my New Year holiday with it. Very good review. Thx!


message 7: by Katugers (new)

Katugers thanks for saving me the time! I'm quite sure your review was far more entertaining than the book. 🙂


message 9: by [deleted user] (new)

Actually, despite the literary clever Modern/Post-Modern academic filter of the author's writing, she appears to me like a 13-year-old girl who wore a dubious fashion choice to school (I mean the pregnancy and her sexuality), and is alternating between defending and explaining the effect she was going for, while harboring secret doubts that it is a really stupid outfit and so she asks all of her best friends in the bathroom if she should go home and change." hahaha this was exactly how i felt reading it. loved your review. it seems odd to me that everyone is praising this for its bravery when the author can't even come to her own conclusions


aPriL does feral sometimes Right on! Thank you for your comments, Madi.


Yigru Zeltil If ”gender definitions which have become as fuzzy as quantum physics”, you certainly haven't managed to figure them out. Harry isn't simply FTM and the author isn't simply a lesbian, a big point of the book - that such categorisations fill in a more fuzzy reality - was lost on you - I guess, all the more a reason for you to blame the convoluted style...


message 12: by aPriL does feral sometimes (last edited May 11, 2018 06:52PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

aPriL does feral sometimes I did not think much of the writing, Yigru. That is most of my disappointment. Secondarily, it seemed to me the author was making too big of a deal of her personal gender issues. Today, all she needed to do was stop overthinking it, given where she lives and her support network and her resources.

I knew a transgender person in college (1987) who we all tried to help, but s/he could not accept herself. We close friends were completely ok with her transforming herself from male to female, but maybe it wasn't going well outside our circle. Anyway, her struggle and emotional pain was internal and external, and she was physically attacked, her family rejected her, etc. She killed herself. I think of her a lot and I wish we or someone could have made her feel safe and good about herself. I still feel great sadness and loss over her. But in that day and year, no one understood transgender, we all thought she was gay - a different story altogether.

We cried a lot for her, Yigru. She truly suffered. This author, however, seems more, idk, shallow, in her fears. Maybe a little self-aggrandizement is going on.

Regardless, it was the writing of this book, though. Most pretentious.


Anastasia BEST review ever!


Hannah Oud-Biemold Exactly! I just stopped at page 41 and can’t take the jumping and whining anymore.


aPriL does feral sometimes Hannah wrote: "Exactly! I just stopped at page 41 and can’t take the jumping and whining anymore."

😄


message 17: by Cyan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Cyan The review is one thing, some books arent for everyone and that is fine. But your response to Yigru made my blood boil as someone who is transgender. How dare you try and call judgement on someones struggles (which mind you, isnt vapid moaning but I guess that was above your paygrade) with using someones death to prove your point of kinship and understanding. This mentality of “we didnt understand it back then” is also severely mistaken. We did. You didnt. Your tokenism is not only disgraceful but whatever merit your review had seems like hot air now. I hope the next time you use her death to pat yourself on the back you will also feel a deep pang of shame for not being better for the next generation.


aPriL does feral sometimes Cyan wrote: "The review is one thing, some books arent for everyone and that is fine. But your response to Yigru made my blood boil as someone who is transgender. How dare you try and call judgement on someones..."

I understand you didn’t like my review. I understand you are outraged. However, the rest of your rant is a mystery.


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