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[ Villeneuve film reviews at the bottom of this article ]

Introductory notes:
Some initial notes for building my impressions of Dune where book references are denoted by D1-D6 for the 6 volumes of the trilogy - warning - there are some spoilers below, but once again if you have read this far into the Dune series, they are hardly spoilers because you already know all of this, or most of it.

Royal Houses
Atreides
Harkonnen
Corinno

It is interesting to me that despite the massive scale of Dune, it remains a tale concerning really only three families (initially) competing for power.

Power Bases
Bene Geserit (female)
Bene Tleilaxu (male -females reduced to living axlotl tanks for breeding (D5)
Ix (unknown, only contact with male ambassadors)
Honored Matres (female - returning Bene Geserit from the Scattering hellbent on destruction)

There are also only three extra-royal organizations (and later a fourth) that operate within the walls of the first 6 books. Of course, each of these (yet not always described in a homogeneous amount of detail) are incredibly complex societies with interesting dynamics which made for great reading.

Religions
Zensunni (overall fusion of Islam and Zen Buddhism which is sort of the ambient religion across the Known Universe)
Sufi (closely related to Zensunni - very close to Bene Tleilaxu core beliefs)
Freemen Worship of Leto II / the God Emperor / the Tyrant (for Bene Geserit) / Guldur (for Honored Matres)
Orange Catholic (remnants of Roman Catholic faith)
Note: The Bene Geserit, while originally derived at least partially from Roman Catholic Monastical practices views religion as a tool for manipulating the masses and opportunistically plays religions off each other)

I liked the mashup of Zen Buddhism and Islam and found that it was a creative way of projecting out human development. One should note that - other than perhaps futars late in D5 and D6), no aliens are in the Known Universe so the humans are all descendants of a diaspore from Terra in the distant past. The idea being that the Zen Buddhists and those of the Muslim faith blended together whereas - apparently - the Roman Catholics split into Bene Geserit and then disappeared. I found no mention at all of polytheist beliefs such as Hinduism or Dualism beliefs such as Taoism.

Armies
Saudukar (males from Salusa Secundus in service of Harkonnens and Shaddam IV of the Corrino family)
Fish Speakers (females from Rakis in serivce of Leto II)
Honored Matres (females with mix of various Scattering populations with sexual skills honed to an extreme but also the physical prowess of the Bene Geserit but with extreme violence and no regret or pity)
Bene Geserit (females with extreme martial arts skills and body control)

Some of the most exciting writing in Dune is of course the battle scenes and it is interesting how the elite forces switch from all-male to all-female on the advent of Leto II. The Honored Matres are pretty badass (and very scary) and it was awesome how Miles Teg evolved into a godlike fighter before his doom on Dune.

Planets
Dune / Arrakis / Rakis (home to the Freemen, planet of the Sandworms, sole natural source of melange in Known Universe)
Caladan (home planet to Atreides clan)
Giedi Prime / Gammu (home to Harkonnens)
Salusa Secundus (prison planet - previous home to House Corrino)
Hidden Chapterhouse planet (home to Bene Geserit)
Tleilax (home to Tleilaxu)
Ix (home to Ixians)
Junction(s) (waystations for the Guild Navigators)

I was frustrated that we never visited Is or Tleilax and learned precious little about any planets besides Dune, Giedi Prime/Gammu and Chapterhouse. One would think that in a galaxy of billions and trillions that there would be more planets, but I suppose that Frank needed to simplify somewhere.

Bene Geserit hierarchy
Mother Superior
Reverend Mother
Breeding Mothers
Acolytes (1st Degree - 3rd Degree)

The BG became a sort of mashup of the military and a female monastic order that was interesting to read about. Unfortunately, there are many revelations for which the reader has to wait for D6 to learn about.

Famous Mentats
Thufir Hawat (D1)
Miles Teg (D5, D6)
Duncan Idaho's last ghola becomes both Mentat and Zensunni philosopher (D6)

Like for the BG, we learn only scattered things about mentats until late in the series. The idea of replacing "thinking machines" after the Butlerian Jihad with human computers is fascinating and one of my favorite innovations in the Dune Universe.

Immortality Strategies
Bene Geserit- selective breeding, Others Memories, all powered by mélange addiction
Tleilaxu - axlotl tanks (deformed females) with selective breeding

Major Historical Moments
Before Dune
Butlerian Jihad - end of “thinking” machines, calculations monopolized by Guildsmen, Mentats and Bene Geserit
Creation by BG of Miossionaria Protecta
Establishment of BG Archives (?)
Birth of preborn Paul and his sister Ayla (the Abomination) to Leto and Jessica due to spice addiction. Jessica had disobeyed the BG and had a son first rather than a daughter which is a massive rock in the BG genetic pond for which we see the ripples over 5000 years of Known Universe history over the 6 books.
Dune
Paul Atreides passes Bene Geserit “box” test by Mother Superior - first male ever to pass the test
Move of Atreides family from Caladan to Dune under Emperor Shaddam IV’s direction ostensibly to protect the spice trade
Betraval and Assassination of Leto I
Flight of Paul to Fremen and their acceptance of him as their messiah, the Muad’dib
Victory of Paul Atreides Muad’dib over Shaddam IV and Baron Harkonnen at Arakeen using worm-fremen army and the Voice and death of first Duncan Idaho, Lady Jessica, Gurney Halleck, etc
Dune Messiah
Birth of preborn twins Leto II and Ghamina to Paul Muad’dib and Fremen Chola
Assasination atttempts on Leto II and Ghamina
Death/disappearance of Paul Muad’dib
Children of Dune
Abomination / possession of Ayla by spirit of Baron Harkonnen
Appearance of Preacher
Destruction of Ayla
Leto II assumes a Golden Path to save humanity by fusing with the sand trout and becoming Shai-Hallud / Shaitan / God Emperor
God Emperor of Dune
Peaceful reign of 3000 years under Leto II
Creation of Fish Speakers
Allowance of Aix technology
Deliverance of Duncan Idaho gholas by Tleilaxu to Leto II
Leto II killed during festival
Heretics of Dune
2000+ years of Scattering
Writing and distribution of Zaire ideas Manifesto (ghost written by HR Odrade daughter of Teg and future Mothre Superior)
Tleilaxu murder each of the delivered Duncan Idahos until last one
Appearance of Sheeana with power over worms on Rakis near Sietch
Waking up of Duncan Idaho by Teg and failure of Lucille to bind him to Bene Geserit
Breeding of Duncan Idaho ghola and Honored Matre Murbella
Conquering of Gammu by HR
Destruction of Dune by HR and death of Teg
Chapterhouse: Dune
Hunting of Bene Geserit by Honored Matres
Transfer from Lucille to Rebecca
Secret Israel
Agony of Murbella
Battle of Junction
Escape of ghola Duncan Idaho and Sheeana

And now for my review of Chapterhouse: Dune
Wow, that was quite a tumultuous and somewhat anti-climactic end to the Dune saga. I will write a long post here with plenty of quotes summing up all my Dune impressions for those who wish to read them.

"When she thought of the largely passive non-Bene Desert populace 'out there', Odrade sometime envied them. They were permitted their illusions. What a comfort. You could pretend your life was forever, that tomorrow would be better, that the gods in heaven watched you with care." (p. 49)

Odrade is the daughter of Bandar Mentat (and overall badass mofo) Miles Teg who becomes Mother Superior of the Bene Geserit following the events at the end of Heretics of Dune. She has a deadly standoff with the Honored Matres which dominates Chapterhouse (the hidden BG headquarters planet). She is a great character - full of depth and insight such as the quote above. The Bene Geserit thanks to melange and some genetic engineering created a form of immortality which is threatened with extinction by the Matres flooding into the Old Empire from The Scattering (see God Emperor and Heretics) and Odrade's strategy is a fascinating one to see being put together and then executed.

"The presence of Others Within who subtracted none of her attention from what went on around her had filled her with awe. We call it. Simuflow. Speaker had said. Simuflow multiplies your awareness." (p. 60)

Chapterhouse opened a whole new line of inquiry into the fate of Israel with the characters of the Rabbi and Rebecca - the few last remnants of the diaspora now on a galactic scale. Rebecca is pulled into the Bene Geserit in order to save the Others Within that were massacred on Lampadas by the Honored Matres. While this is an interesting interlude, it is a little frustrating that Herbert throws this in in only the last book of the series and dies before developing this idea any further. The primary interest of this interlude was in fact a bit more information on how the Bene Geserit functioned with the Others Within which was helpful in better understanding them.

"God formed me to deceive the powindah! His slight, childlike appearance was formed in a grey skin whose metallic pigments blocked scanning probes. His diminutive shape distracted those who saw him and hid the powers he had accumulated in serial ghola incarnations." (p. 84)

The last Tleilaxu, Scytale, was an interesting character. Tleilaxu having been destroyed by the Honored Matres, Scytale is a prisoner on the no-ship on Chapterhouse. Perhaps Herbert sensed the end coming because the potential he built into this character (especially the whispering which was supposed to serve as a trigger for the ghola of Duncan Idaho) was never exploited in this book. That being said, he is fairly one-dimensional and serves as almost an albeit morbid comic relief.

"Honored Matre assumptions about control fascinated Lucilla. You controlled your universe; you did not balance with it. You did not train yourself to sense your own subtle responses, you produced muscles (forces, powers) to overcome everything you defined as an obstacle. Were these women blind?" (p. 100)

Lucilla was one of the most enigmatic and powerful characters in the later Dune trilogy I found. Here she is prisoner to the HM and studying them hoping to get a message to Odrade in time for the BG to prepare a defense. It was interesting to compare the BG before Paul/Leto II/The Scattering (all powerful, mystical, and mega fighters who subjugated emotion completely and sex as a precise weapon and the BG who viewed sex only as reproductive function.

The key issue in Dune is the disruptive impact of LOVE which ignites the first crisis in D1 when Lady Jessica falls in love with Leto I and rather than giving birth to a girl as her Bene Geserit masters would expect her to do, gives birth to Paul who then exhibits characteristics of the Kwisatz Haderach and becomes Maud'dib to the Freemen when he survives the BG test and achieves prescience. Paul’s love for Chani of the Fremen dooms his political mariage to Princess Irulan and it is Chani that bears his two children, the preborn twins Ghamina and Leto II, soon to be God Emperor and to set humanity on the Golden Path. The next crisis occurs because Leto II loves humanity and wants them to survive. The last crisis is when Duncan Idaho and Murbella fall in love and do not fulfill (once again) BG plans. Unfortunately, we never really get to the end to know whether "love conquers all" or just fucks everything up.

Fantastic and legendary read. Please comment!

[UPDATE] I am looking forward to Denis Villeneuve's Dune in October 2021. The previews I have seen so far seem to be quite coherent with respect to the book. I was a fan of Lynch's Dune and am curious to see what Villeneuve does with this one. Feel free to comment below.

[UPDATE 2] It has been a few months, but personally I felt that Villeneuve’s Dune was respectful both of the spirit of the original books and of Lynch’s cult classic movie.

[UPDATE 3] Villeneuve made one of sci-fi’s greatest sophomore movies with Dune 2. Just absolutely perfect for casting, cinematography, action scenes, color, sound…and best of all, the door is open to film Dune Messiah!

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Reading Progress

November 28, 2016 – Shelved
November 28, 2016 – Shelved as: to-read
May 12, 2018 – Started Reading
May 12, 2018 –
page 42
9.63% "Ok, so, like Dune Messiah, this one picks up right after Heretics. Those Honored Matres make the Harkonnens look like Girl Scouts!"
May 13, 2018 –
page 95
21.79%
May 13, 2018 –
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27.52%
May 14, 2018 –
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36.7%
May 16, 2018 –
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50.46%
May 16, 2018 –
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60.32%
May 16, 2018 –
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60.32%
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60.09%
May 16, 2018 –
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60.09%
May 17, 2018 –
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65.37%
May 17, 2018 –
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65.37% "I wish the plot would move forward already..."
May 18, 2018 –
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70.64%
May 18, 2018 –
page 362
83.03% "Warning: big Dune overview post coming following completion of the last 80 pages of the 6 canonical volumes..."
May 18, 2018 –
page 386
88.53%
May 18, 2018 – Shelved as: sci-fi
May 18, 2018 – Shelved as: fiction
May 18, 2018 – Shelved as: series
May 18, 2018 – Shelved as: american-20th-c
May 18, 2018 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Alexander Did your edition have a final tribute to Frank Herbert's late wife? I dimly remember this, but my copy's now in storage.


Michael Finocchiaro Yes, it did at the end. No mention of the gay son though. Did I nail my summary notes? (i extensively edited the review since you wrote your comment)


message 3: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Alexander Your notes are very good, especially in fitting this book into the whole sequence.

The Tleilaxu bothered me in this one. They felt cartoonish, almost stupid, well out of character for a Herbert creation.

Nice point about love.


Michael Finocchiaro Agreed that Scytale could have been far more sinister. That reminds me to add something to the review, thanks!


Mark You just encountered the mother of all cliffhanger endings, I wish I could advise you to read his sons continuation with the notes for his fathers book 7, but I like you and your taste so I won't do that.


Michael Finocchiaro Thanks Mark! SoC Hunters and Sand-worms are really that bad?


Mark They are not up to the quality of Frank Herbert


Michael Finocchiaro But do they scratch the itch somewhat as to what happens to Duncan and Marbella?


Mark Hmmmm would be my answer, sometimes answers fail


Michael Finocchiaro Hopefully, Mark and Bryan, you read my augmented review because I touched it up a bit :-)


message 11: by Mark (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mark I followed your Dune heroics, and I do consider them a great read all six of them.


Michael Finocchiaro Me too. Did I miss anything major in my
summary iyo? I really tried to put together the pieces without too much help from the Dune Encyclopedia or the Dune wikia


message 13: by mwana (new)

mwana Great review Fino. But I will not be picking up Dune or any Dune-verse books any time soon. You review can be very tempting to any Herbert virgins though


message 14: by Chris (new)

Chris Gager Not to be overly picky but, it's "SecUndus" ... Love the 'Dune" overview BTW.


Michael Finocchiaro Thanks Chris!


♑︎♑︎♑︎ ♑︎♑︎♑︎ I'm consistently amazed at the enthusiasm and stamina of Dune readers and chagrined that I've yet to progress beyond book 1 chapter 1 (which is a really great chapter tbh so I don't know what my problem is)


message 17: by Chris (new)

Chris Gager Maybe you dune't like them?


Michael Finocchiaro Well, I hoped that my review here would serve as an encouragement for folks to "dune' out on Dune!


♑︎♑︎♑︎ ♑︎♑︎♑︎ For some reason there are two hard-bound copies, really nice editions, in my bookshelf! So, one day.


Michael Finocchiaro Wow, sounds like a killer bookshelf


message 21: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Alexander Lark, read on. Book 1 sets up an awful lot of stuff.


message 22: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Alexander I like where this review ended up.

The Honored Matres... I wonder about them as a representation of gender and sexuality in 2018.


Michael Finocchiaro Thanks Brian.
Interesting point, but what would the rabies-infected, knuckle-dragging, tractorpull Drumpfist women be running from?


message 24: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Alexander I wasn't thinking of that so much as charges that Herbert created a misogynist nightmare.


Michael Finocchiaro Ah, ok. I am not convinced of those charges. I think there was more to it. The story is not 100% misogynist in that there are strong three-dimensional female characters (Chani, Ghanima, Sheeana, Reverend Mother Marwi Odrade and Imprinter Lucilla) that were independent and in control of their destiny. It was also interesting to see the Honored Madres as women using violence and sex to achieve their goals rather than men using rape and pillage to achieve the same.
While it is true that the Dune universe reserves few roles for women (outside of the dying Freeman culture), but them men are also rather restricted and there is a balance of power where the Bene Geserit hold their own.
There is no clear critique of the patriarchy and there is the latent homophobia of Herbert, but I don’t see the outright misogyny. On the other hand, there is a major critique of organized religion - both Catholicism and Sunnite/Shiite Islam are clearly targets and monastic cults such as Zen Buddhism and Sufist strands of Islam are singled out as models.


message 26: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Alexander That critique of religion surely irks many people, perhaps just below the surface.

I agree with your take, Michael, and actually see the 6 books as an arc of gradually increasing female characterization, roles, and scope. The earlier books strike me as right for US sf in the early 60s, and also for the kinds of traditional, conservative societies Herbert drew on. Remember that D draws on anthropological sf, and that he wasn't exactly celebrating the imperium.

The critics I've been seeing focus on the RM as sexist caricatures, creatures that hypersexualize women while seeing them as scary.


message 27: by M (new) - rated it 1 star

M Love your chronology, Michael! Just wanted to point out a few things:
-we do get a brief glimpse of Tleilax from Waff's point of view at the start of D5
-Jessica shouldn't be listed among the etc who die at the end of D1 because she visits her grandchildren and witnesses the destruction of Alia in D3
-on the topic of typos, Alia not Ayla, Ix not Aix, Chani not Chola, Mother not Mothre
-AFAIK Paul was not preborn, only Alia; after their short-lived first son Leto was born in D1, Paul drank the Water of Life, underwent the spice agony for three weeks, then awoke prescient


Michael Finocchiaro Ah man, thanks M! I’ll correct all of those. I am glad that someone actually read through and enjoyed it :-)


message 29: by Liz (new) - rated it 4 stars

Liz Nice commentary, only a couple of notes to add. In Children, Leto mentions “Dao” several times, which may be an alternate spelling for Taoism. Also, Duncan’s first ghola, as husband to Alia in Children, is a mentat.
I have also wondered if the Orange Catholic Bible is the book of catholicism/christianity with a small “c”, as it reminds me quite a bit of the Anglican “Book of Common Prayer”. But as we never read of anything but the book title, which is naturally in caps, it’s hard to tell.


Michael Finocchiaro Thanks Liz! Great point about the OCB!


Ivana Books Are Magic Very detailed review. I enjoyed reading it a lot. I think the last book in the series shed some light on the whole Mentat school that always fascinated me. It left many questions answered but I prefer new interesting questions to inadequate answers.


Michael Finocchiaro Thanks Ivana


message 33: by Mark (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mark Great review and overview, thank you very much


Michael Finocchiaro You’re welcome


zed I enjoyed my journey through your Dune journey so much! Thank you, Micheal.

The trailers look great. October is too far away.


Michael Finocchiaro You are most welcome. And yes, October is a long way off yet


message 37: by Aswath (new)

Aswath I believe it’s mentioned Hinduism exists in a few insular pockets.


Binati Sheth Now that is some reviewwwww!
Kudos Sir 🖋🖋🖋
Fantastic summary and I definitely agree with you about everything :D


Galowa Thanks for sharing. Nice review. Correct spelling is mUAd'dib? ;- )


Michael Finocchiaro :-)


Michael Finocchiaro @ye, @binati, @suzanne thanks!! And corrected in the article!


message 42: by Dave (new) - rated it 3 stars

Dave Coffee Would you explain what you mean by the crisis caused by Leto II loving humanity and the crisis caused by Duncan and Murbella falling in love?


Veronica Great review, Michael, wondering what you made of the two face dancers and the net in the end?


message 44: by Nati (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nati B fantastic review! 🙌🏻


Gerhard On a reread, still one of my favourite Dune novels, contemplative and nostalgic, with some of Herbert's best nature writing. I think he wrote this during his first wife's battle with cancer? Odrade is one of Herbert's best characters.


Michael Finocchiaro @Veronica and @Natalia thanks!


Michael Finocchiaro @Dave I meant a crisis in that it went against the Been Geserit planning


Michael Finocchiaro @Gerhard I would have liked to see more of Odrade also!


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