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1Q84 (1Q84, #1-3)
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A mere 29 days have passed since its release, but I have conquered the behemoth. I believe mp owes me 20 dollars for finishing first. Well, since no monetary guidelines were stipulated, I will also accept 3 cats and 2 metaphors that don't make any sense.
Before
As I eagerly await to tackle this tome
I am utterly afraid for the books that I own
Especially the texts populating my desk
My patience for "Brit-Lit" will be put to the test
But my grades will be of little concern
When these 900 pages will begin to burn
A hole of delight to last for the ages
And I won't care about homework while in his pages
Because it isn't grades that last but literary heaven
Then I'll always say, "I remember Murakami and 1984 in 2011"
After
As you might be able to deduce from my little poem and the rating, I was a bit disappointed by this book. I think the main reason was the unwarranted length. I wouldn't mind reading a 900+ page novel if it meant that the book was going to really take me places. From what I've heard about Infinite Jest, Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell and others like it, they are quite the journey. Where you begin and where the book leads, makes for such a arc of character, theme and plot so as to incur upon the reader the impression a fully fleshed out world. I find that exciting. I like to experience whole life-times within one novel. It is the complete escape from this world, when you feel as though you've lived inside another for so long. I felt no such experience with 1Q84. Instead, was 922 pages of repetitious prose. When it boils down to it, there is not much exposition in here. All it is is the same arc of a character moving from the world they are used to, then into the "Q" world and finding everything weird. That happens to three different characters. And we have to be told the same-sounding impressions followed by similar realizations. I think that underneath it all, there is a lot to be said about this book. But I honestly do not feel as compelled to want to do so, since everything was repeated so often and so frequently.
Occasionally, the book would break out of its redundancy and work the usual Murakami magic. But those moments were so far and few between, that any momentum gained would be slowed down by 50 pages of nothingness. Murakami loves to say every passing detail, significant or not, that goes through a character's head. He might write something like "Aomame went into the kitchen. She walked up to the refrigerator. She looked at the refrigerator. Then she thought I want to eat something because I know that I should. But I'm not hungry. I haven't been hungry in a long time, not since I parted with my one true love Tengo. She opened the refrigerator and looked inside. She closed the door after deciding that nothing looked appetizing. She thought about her one true love, Tengo. And the fact that she hadn't seen him since she was a child."
I think he used a similar technique with other novels, Wind-Up Bird for example. I don't remember it bothering me at all. In fact reading this has made me want to go back and re-read Wind-Up to see how it compares. Because I hate to say it, but this book may have ruined my patience for that type of writing, which I thought worked so well in Wind-Up. Another similarity between the two was the simplicity of the writing. Both books feature straight-forward prose and a plethora of telling. I remember it working very well in Wind-Up, another claim I'd like to re-read for, but in 1Q84, it falls flat on its face. In the kind of the book that this is, it needs something to convince the reader of the unreal elements. I'm not sure what the formula for that is, of course there's no exact way of doing this, but there has to be better ways of writing a convincing magical-realist story than lines like this:
"Aomame wondered if Fuka-Eri's dohta had been able to survive for long without her maza. The Little people had said that it was virtually impossible for a dohta to go on living without her maza. And what about a maza? What was it like for her to live after having lost the shadow of her heart and mind?"
That could easily be straight out of a YA, fantasy novel.
Then there were other lines that were just cheesy:
"Ushikawa had a sharp sense of smell, and something smelled fishy"
That last line may be due to translation, which I'm always willing to admit as a possibility. But I have faith in the translators, given that Jay Rubin has translated a majority of Murakami's works and the other novels were dissimilar in this regard to this book.
There was also some of the ideas, not flaws of translation, that I didn't agree with. A thematic thread that runs throughout, is a zen-like balancing between opposing forces, usually represented in pairs. Murakami reiterates the idea that whenever an imbalance occurs, nature steps in to stabilize itself. This might be cute to find inside of a fortune cookie or on a license plate, but when taken to real life situations or the events of this book, it becomes an unsettling bit of moral relativism. This is especially apparent in a scene where Aomame kills a child rapist. I was somewhat intrigued by this idea at first. I tend to be a fan of stories about vigilante justice. But when Aomame arrives, the rapist explains how he was powerless against the forces that made him to do it. This is when it started to get weird. Because after Aomame kills the man, the next scene is of Tengo having sex with a girl under 18, without him able to control it. When reading that in context of lines like "nature abhors a vacuum", it's pretty weird. It's a dangerous notion to consider something as terrible as child rape in the context of yin-and-yang and everything in harmony.
The other thing I disagreed with was the premise by which the entire book hangs. The two main characters are supposed to have held hands once, as ten year olds, and have been desperately in love for all the years that have followed. I didn't really buy that at all. There are many things that can pass off as unreal in a Murakami novel, but absolute, undying love because of a single encounter in elementary school is not one of them. Call me a cynic, but I don't believe that ever happens. This idea comes from a short story called "On Meeting the 100% Perfect Girl" that Murakami had written. Quite the opposite of 1Q84, it runs for only a couple pages. I think I can handle undying love at first sight when condensed down into a few pages. But when repeated over and over and over through 700 pages, it loses me completely.
Of course, not everything is bad about this book, hence the 3 stars. As mentioned there are more than a few Murakami magic moments. He was still able to make me shudder, make me stare off into space for minutes at a time in quiet fascination. But I hope for his next book, his editor is given a little more power than he had here.
Before
As I eagerly await to tackle this tome
I am utterly afraid for the books that I own
Especially the texts populating my desk
My patience for "Brit-Lit" will be put to the test
But my grades will be of little concern
When these 900 pages will begin to burn
A hole of delight to last for the ages
And I won't care about homework while in his pages
Because it isn't grades that last but literary heaven
Then I'll always say, "I remember Murakami and 1984 in 2011"
After
As you might be able to deduce from my little poem and the rating, I was a bit disappointed by this book. I think the main reason was the unwarranted length. I wouldn't mind reading a 900+ page novel if it meant that the book was going to really take me places. From what I've heard about Infinite Jest, Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell and others like it, they are quite the journey. Where you begin and where the book leads, makes for such a arc of character, theme and plot so as to incur upon the reader the impression a fully fleshed out world. I find that exciting. I like to experience whole life-times within one novel. It is the complete escape from this world, when you feel as though you've lived inside another for so long. I felt no such experience with 1Q84. Instead, was 922 pages of repetitious prose. When it boils down to it, there is not much exposition in here. All it is is the same arc of a character moving from the world they are used to, then into the "Q" world and finding everything weird. That happens to three different characters. And we have to be told the same-sounding impressions followed by similar realizations. I think that underneath it all, there is a lot to be said about this book. But I honestly do not feel as compelled to want to do so, since everything was repeated so often and so frequently.
Occasionally, the book would break out of its redundancy and work the usual Murakami magic. But those moments were so far and few between, that any momentum gained would be slowed down by 50 pages of nothingness. Murakami loves to say every passing detail, significant or not, that goes through a character's head. He might write something like "Aomame went into the kitchen. She walked up to the refrigerator. She looked at the refrigerator. Then she thought I want to eat something because I know that I should. But I'm not hungry. I haven't been hungry in a long time, not since I parted with my one true love Tengo. She opened the refrigerator and looked inside. She closed the door after deciding that nothing looked appetizing. She thought about her one true love, Tengo. And the fact that she hadn't seen him since she was a child."
I think he used a similar technique with other novels, Wind-Up Bird for example. I don't remember it bothering me at all. In fact reading this has made me want to go back and re-read Wind-Up to see how it compares. Because I hate to say it, but this book may have ruined my patience for that type of writing, which I thought worked so well in Wind-Up. Another similarity between the two was the simplicity of the writing. Both books feature straight-forward prose and a plethora of telling. I remember it working very well in Wind-Up, another claim I'd like to re-read for, but in 1Q84, it falls flat on its face. In the kind of the book that this is, it needs something to convince the reader of the unreal elements. I'm not sure what the formula for that is, of course there's no exact way of doing this, but there has to be better ways of writing a convincing magical-realist story than lines like this:
"Aomame wondered if Fuka-Eri's dohta had been able to survive for long without her maza. The Little people had said that it was virtually impossible for a dohta to go on living without her maza. And what about a maza? What was it like for her to live after having lost the shadow of her heart and mind?"
That could easily be straight out of a YA, fantasy novel.
Then there were other lines that were just cheesy:
"Ushikawa had a sharp sense of smell, and something smelled fishy"
That last line may be due to translation, which I'm always willing to admit as a possibility. But I have faith in the translators, given that Jay Rubin has translated a majority of Murakami's works and the other novels were dissimilar in this regard to this book.
There was also some of the ideas, not flaws of translation, that I didn't agree with. A thematic thread that runs throughout, is a zen-like balancing between opposing forces, usually represented in pairs. Murakami reiterates the idea that whenever an imbalance occurs, nature steps in to stabilize itself. This might be cute to find inside of a fortune cookie or on a license plate, but when taken to real life situations or the events of this book, it becomes an unsettling bit of moral relativism. This is especially apparent in a scene where Aomame kills a child rapist. I was somewhat intrigued by this idea at first. I tend to be a fan of stories about vigilante justice. But when Aomame arrives, the rapist explains how he was powerless against the forces that made him to do it. This is when it started to get weird. Because after Aomame kills the man, the next scene is of Tengo having sex with a girl under 18, without him able to control it. When reading that in context of lines like "nature abhors a vacuum", it's pretty weird. It's a dangerous notion to consider something as terrible as child rape in the context of yin-and-yang and everything in harmony.
The other thing I disagreed with was the premise by which the entire book hangs. The two main characters are supposed to have held hands once, as ten year olds, and have been desperately in love for all the years that have followed. I didn't really buy that at all. There are many things that can pass off as unreal in a Murakami novel, but absolute, undying love because of a single encounter in elementary school is not one of them. Call me a cynic, but I don't believe that ever happens. This idea comes from a short story called "On Meeting the 100% Perfect Girl" that Murakami had written. Quite the opposite of 1Q84, it runs for only a couple pages. I think I can handle undying love at first sight when condensed down into a few pages. But when repeated over and over and over through 700 pages, it loses me completely.
Of course, not everything is bad about this book, hence the 3 stars. As mentioned there are more than a few Murakami magic moments. He was still able to make me shudder, make me stare off into space for minutes at a time in quiet fascination. But I hope for his next book, his editor is given a little more power than he had here.
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Sep 08, 2011 12:36AM
witty... I too am eagerly waiting for this one... Its releasing on 21st October right?? Its my birthday... couldn't have expected a better present
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Hello everyone. I believe that Ian will be setting up some form of group discussion for this book. Sounds very exciting! I'd love for as many people as possible to contribute thoughts and topics for conversation!
I have started the discussion group and already invited everybody (but Vishal).Vishal, would you like to join?
Also please start some topics for discussion.
My copy hasn't arrived yet.
I have joined already but unfortunately my copy too hasn't arrived yet. The release date here in India is postponed to early November and I cant read it right away as my exams start next week. So hope to hear a lot from the ones who can.
Ian wrote: "At the very least, you deserve three vegetarian cats."Well, with that special American holiday only a day away, I expect it to be tofurkey brand.
mp wrote: "Look up at the sky tonight. You may just see a second moon with three cats skipping around on it."
My goodness, your Haruki powers are tremendous indeed. I have only managed to conjure the "cheek scar", a side effect of an "inner-well" experience.
Yeah, but I've got used to working out (or divining?) what you mean. To err is human, but to divine is forgiving.
Regarding your concerns about how things that worked well for Wind up... didn't seem to work for 1Q84, here is what my thoughts are: when reading Wind up... I was completely drawn into the book and I never tried to look at it objectively but went on dreaming along with the story. I was never that engrossed in 1Q84 and that left some room for objective analysis of writing technique, plot structure and so on.
mp wrote: "I was never that engrossed in 1Q84 and that left some room for objective analysis of writing technique, plot structure and so on."That's a good point. Although, I'd like to think that there is an objective reason, as you put it, for why Wind-Up worked and 1Q84 didn't. Thinking back, it might have to do with a single protagonist and less specific magical elements. In 1Q84, the 'dohta' and 'maza' made the magical-realism too literal. In Wind-Up it seemed to always stay in metaphor.
...and less specific magical elements. In 1Q84, the 'dohta' and 'maza' made the magical-realism too literal. In Wind-Up it seemed to always stay in metaphor. Yes, that's there too.
Also, I notice that in 1Q84 everything is explained to a good extent, unlike most other Murakami novels. He doesn't leave any loose ends. This is not a bad thing, it just makes for a different kind of reading experience.
I have read many books, and murakami is a true master of long form fiction. But your review is spot on. I wanted to love this book so much, and in the end, I did. But you are correct...there's just too much redundancy. Even After Dark, for me, was lacking. Even though he lets his wife keep track of the money, I wonder if maybe he's becoming too conscious of being "a writer." I like him best when he just does what he does well. Condense the immense to a very digestible tome.
His translator, Jay Rubin, said that he prefers Murakami's short stories to his novels. This may be because the surrealist and metaphorical elements in his stories do much better when everything isn't explained or long bits of exposition are not needed. The "magic" that I find in his writing takes center stage in his short stories, instead of basic plot and character development, which for me, is not Murakami's strong suit.
I think it might be like sprinting versus marathons.Your mind probably wanders (and wonders) a lot more during a marathon.
Ian wrote: "I think it might be like sprinting versus marathons.Your mind probably wanders (and wonders) a lot more during a marathon."
Good point. The sights off the path of the marathon better be beautiful or else it's going to be a long and strenuous run.
Occasionally, the book would break out of its redundancy and work the usual Murakami magic. But those moments were so far and few between, that any momentum gained would be slowed down by 50 pages of nothingness. Yes, this nagged at me as well, I have to admit. Heh, I made a point of not reading other reviews until I finished the book, but we're on the same page with key points. High-five! Great review, sir.
RandomAnthony wrote: "Yes, this nagged at me as well, I have to admit. Heh, I made a point of not reading other reviews until I finished the book, but we're on the same page with key points. High-five! Great review"Thank you. I think the pacing was a problem for a lot of people. I wonder what this book would've been like if it had been edited down much more.
I strongly agree with what your saying here. I feel like this could have been told in 350 pages. When I read 900+ pages I'm hoping for a powerful ending. I feel like so much was left unanswered. Why all those pages about Sagigake pursuing Aomame when that went nowhere. Fuka Eri just wanders off; what was the point? Did Tengo sleep with Mahta of Fuka Eri or the Dohta? All those pages about Tengo's mother and father also went no where. Grrr! Just seemed like a lot of wasted pages to me.
Does it have an epic feel? I don't get the point of trudging through so many pages for the usual Murakami experience...
I don't think it has an epic feel. Some may disagree, but there is no transportation of narrative, or feeling as though one is witnessing themes on a global, human scope as do books of similar length. You could get the same Murakami experience, and an even better one, in my opinion, with Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World. I probably enjoyed Ian's thoughts about 1Q84, more than the book itself.
+1 to Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World. And of course there is The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle too.
Stephen M wrote: "I probably enjoyed Ian's thoughts about 1Q84, more than the book itself. "That is true for quite a few books :)
Thanks for the reply. I'll demote this in my reading list then.
mp wrote: "+1 to Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World. And of course there is The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle too."Of course. One of these days I'll be re-reading Wind-Up and writing the review it deserves.
Riku wrote: "Thanks for the reply. I'll demote this in my reading list then."You seem to be getting through books a lot faster than me, so maybe it's not as much of drudge for other people. Any exciting new books on the horizon, then?
Stephen M wrote: "Riku wrote: "Thanks for the reply. I'll demote this in my reading list then."You seem to be getting through books a lot faster than me, so maybe it's not as much of drudge for other people. Any e..."
Ulysses is the looming one right now... I also flipped through the first few pages of 'The coming of the third reich'.. debating if I should get into it or not.
I read a lot of books in parallel so that shouldn't matter. Keeps me fresh.
Riku wrote: "I read a lot of books in parallel so that shouldn't matter. Keeps me fresh."I do it more from my ADD tendencies than anything else. I've been thinking of tackling Ulysses as well. It'll be a fun adventure.
Stephen M wrote: "Riku wrote: "I read a lot of books in parallel so that shouldn't matter. Keeps me fresh."I do it more from my ADD tendencies than anything else. I've been thinking of tackling Ulysses as well. It..."
When do you plan to start? maybe we can move in parallel...
Riku wrote: "When do you plan to start? maybe we can move in parallel... "It may be a while, since I'll finish Infinite Jest first. I'd say you should go ahead and read it, but if in a month or so, you still haven't, I'd love to read it along with you.
Stephen M wrote: "Riku wrote: "When do you plan to start? maybe we can move in parallel... "It may be a while, since I'll finish Infinite Jest first. I'd say you should go ahead and read it, but if in a month or s..."
Alri. Will see how it goes.
I have this book setting on the shelf and have pulled it off the shelf several times and riffle the pages. I then pick another book to read. Of course I'm avoided the inevitable. I will need to read it...someday. Great Review Stephen.
Thanks Jeffrey. If you do end up reading it, I will look forward to your thoughts on it. It seems to have split people, even a lot of the diehard Murakami fans.
I just quit this book a third the way through. Your review validates my decision. Is ther another title from this author that you recommend?
Oh yes. There's some Murakami that I love and some that I hate. He provokes such an interesting reaction out of me. But the books that I've loved absolutely are The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World and after the quake. The last is a collection of short stories. These are all well-worth reading. I hope you enjoy!
BTW, I noticed Ian supplied a link for this guy's posters:http://www.incidentalcomics.com/p/pos...
Thank you, Ian.




