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The Golden Compass by Philip Pullman
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9/8/17:

1. I cleared my rating. If that doesn't sufficiently refute the claim that I "just wanted" to give THE GOLDEN COMPASS 1.0 star, then you're irrational, and further discussion is pointless.

2. I am a BOOK REVIEW BLOGGER. That's what I do. If you want to make cracks about being a trophy wife, go right ahead, but to insinuate that I would "skim" a book to have the minimum knowledge required to give the appearance of having read it so that I can give it a bad review b/c reasons, is an attack on my character and work ethic.

I'm not some conservative religious zealot who think books with magic are sending our children straight to hell. I don't have children. I'm not a Christian.

I do, however, have four nephews, all under eight years old that I have already given HARRY POTTER and many, many other similar books, THE GOLDEN COMPASS not among them.

3. In regards to my perceived lack of faith in a child's intelligence, I'm baffled that you think that's the only issue. "Children aren't stupid. They have good instincts. Shame on you."

Are you going to tell me that children also have excellent impulse control? That they're always rational? That they aren't capable of making bad decisions when overwrought?

And am I also to assume that you all strictly adhered to the suggested age requirements on books? None of you were specifically informed that you read several grade levels ahead of your peers?

This isn't the simple issue some of you are trying to make it.

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You MUST know I'm a advocate for free thought, for going against the grain, for individuality vs. hive mentality . . .

I believe it's important to teach children to question, to think for themselves.

BUT.

I feel this book crosses a line for its intended audience. The two adults Lyra should be most dependent on are villains, and whether or not there are good role models among the secondary cast of characters, they are SECONDARY, ultimately insignificant roles as evidenced when dollface takes off on her own b/c her parents cannot be trusted, and she knows better than they do.

The fact that it's true in her scenario is exactly what concerns me.

You can draw a straight line through all the steps on the path to a child's inevitable conclusion that Adults are the Enemy, and to do good, to do right, you cannot trust or obey them.

I think that's a very dangerous, potentially harmful thing to teach a child.

You don't have to agree with me. In fact, the whole reason I'm writing this, years after I read the book, is b/c I didn't want to be that person who essentially outlines their own (possibly contradictory) review on someone else's post.

B/c those people suck. FYI. <------read between the lines.

I don't recommend this book for readers not in their teens. Yes, some children mature faster than others, and, especially, if the child in question is your own, you're the best judge of what is appropriate--I would never tell anyone what to do with their children. I am merely voicing a concern and suggesting that one might consider personally screening THE GOLDEN COMPASS before passing along to young, impressionable minds.

This is my opinion. If you are violently opposed to it, I invite you to WRITE AND POST YOUR OWN REVIEW.
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message 1: by [deleted user] (new)

Haha I love the pic at the beginning. :D
But great review. I've been meaning to read The Golden Compass for a while, and it's been sitting on my nightstand waiting for me...


message 2: by Alienor ✘ French Frowner ✘ (last edited Nov 08, 2015 03:57PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alienor ✘ French Frowner ✘ Great review Jessica. I loved these books when I first read them (a long long time ago) but I have no idea what I would think now. You brought an interesting insight actually, I didn't even notice it at the time!


Shadow Jubilee I think I read this when I was in middle school. I totally missed the adults are the enemy conclusion. /oblivious Now that I think back on the book, you are right about the no good adult role models.


message 4: by Liz (new) - rated it 5 stars

Liz If I remember correctly Farder Coram, John Faa, Serafina Pekkala and especially Dr. Mary Malone (who appears in later books) and Lee Scorseby, were all 'good', morally-upstanding but also complex adults who contributed to the dynamics of the world and helped Lyra on her journey. Mrs Coulter and Asriel are definitely quite evil but do show humanity and somewhat redeem themselves in the final volume.


message 5: by Lily (last edited Nov 08, 2015 05:40PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lily That's an interesting perspective! Although I can't completely agree (Lee Scoresby was my favorite character), it's true that the selfish/villainous adults really stand out in this book and the children often have to fend for themselves. Your insights make me want to revisit the series to see if I feel differently about it now, compared to when I was younger - especially since the whole story is quite focused on the theme of growing up.

Nice review, and that pic is awesome. :)


message 6: by Lyd's Archive (7/'15 to 6/'18) (last edited Nov 08, 2015 06:01PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Lyd's Archive (7/'15 to 6/'18) I generally believe in free thought but (view spoiler) It's an interesting concept but...


Anita Medina Isn't that kind of the theme for Romeo and Juliet as well? The adults ruined everything pure.


Jess ❈Harbinger of Blood-Soaked Rainbows❈ Awesome review, girl! Ive avoided these books because I saw the movie when it came out and had a very negative reaction to it.

I know that you should never judge a book by its movie, but something about it rubbed me completely the wrong way and I was left extremely cold for reasons I still cant really place. It seemed like exactly the kind of thing Id love but nope. Didnt at all. I kinda felt like I had just watched two hours of a writer using a fantasy plotline to shove his own ideas and biases and mentalities down my throat. And those ideas arent necessarily something I hate nor condone nor disageee totally with. I just felt manipulated. And then every single person I know who has read these books loves them which made me feel even worse. So Im glad to see someone go against the grain. Thanks for this!


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Yasmin wrote: "Haha I love the pic at the beginning. :D
But great review. I've been meaning to read The Golden Compass for a while, and it's been sitting on my nightstand waiting for me..."


Best of luck to you, Yasmin ;) Tons o' people absolutely LOVE these books, so there's a decent chance you will, too. And thanks!


message 10: by Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ (last edited Nov 09, 2015 01:52AM) (new) - added it

Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Alienor ✘ French frowner ✘ wrote: "Great review Jessica. I loved these books when I first read them (a long long time ago) but I have no idea what I would think now. You brought an interesting insight actually, I didn't even notice ..."

Thank you! I know the majority of people--adults and children--who read TGC don't take that message away from their reading experience, but even the merest hint of that possibility isn't something I'd want to risk with a child of my own. ESPECIALLY if that child was of a similar dispostion ;)


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ The UHQ Nasanta wrote: "I think I read this when I was in middle school. I totally missed the adults are the enemy conclusion. /oblivious Now that I think back on the book, you are right about the no good adult role models."

Again, I'm the oddball, LOL. But yeah, all the adults are seriously awful in this book.


message 12: by Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ (last edited Nov 09, 2015 01:47AM) (new) - added it

Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Liz wrote: "If I remember correctly Farder Coram, John Faa, Serafina Pekkala and especially Dr. Mary Malone (who appears in later books) and Lee Scorseby, were all 'good', morally-upstanding but also complex a..."

Never read the final volume ;) And as I said, it's been years since I read this one, so maybe I should have said there were no adults in a lead role who weren't awful, but the point remains true--Lyra did the things she did, running off hither and yon, b/c that was her only option.

I can see my younger self drawing the "Adults are Bad" conclusion. Admittedly, I was a difficult child, and what I'm warning of is an extreme and rare reaction. But I think it's worth holding TGC back a few extra years to ensure that a similarly difficult and/or odd child doesn't take the message to heart and end up doing something dangerous they've been told not to do, b/c mommy and daddy are mean and stupid, too.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Sami wrote: "I thought that in later books Lyra's parents take on more dimension, but I may be wrong (I read some spoilers a while back but still haven't read the second two books myself)."

Again, I never finished the series, so I can't speak to that. *shrugs awkwardly*


message 14: by Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ (last edited Nov 09, 2015 01:48AM) (new) - added it

Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Lily wrote: "That's an interesting perspective! Although I can't completely agree (Lee Scoresby was my favorite character), it's true that the selfish/villainous adults really stand out in this book and the chi..."

Thanks, Lily! And that might be my favorite meme ever ;)

Good luck if decided on a reread. I doubt more than 1 in 100 children (maybe even 1 in 1000+) would take away the same message I did, but if that one child were my child . . . o.O


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Marya the Monarchist (formerly Grand Duchess Olga) wrote: "I generally believe in free thought but [spoilers removed] It's an interesting concept but..."

I'm not touching that one with a twelve foot pole. A practitioner of one of those religions or an extreme equalist is obviously going to object to Pullman's not-so-hidden agenda, but this is a book intended for children, and I seriously doubt many children are going understand those implications.

As I said, my reasons for disliking this book are not the usual reasons. I'm more concerned about the extremely unlikely possibility that some kid somewhere is going to take an evening walk down a busy street b/c ice cream for dinner is an excellent idea, and mommy and daddy are too stupid to see it.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Kristina wrote: "Isn't that kind of the theme for Romeo and Juliet as well? The adults ruined everything pure."

I think trying to ascribe a single theme to anything Shakespeare is oversimplification. PLUS, Romeo and Juliet isn't a children's book, so I'm less concerned about mature minds and their extreme reactions to it.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Jess ❈Harbinger of Blood-Soaked Rainbows❈ wrote: "Awesome review, girl! Ive avoided these books because I saw the movie when it came out and had a very negative reaction to it.

I know that you should never judge a book by its movie, but something..."


Writers using their art as a platform to soapbox is certainly not a new thing, and I have various issues with that as well. In my case, it's mostly about the lack of enjoyment. I read for FUN. I read to be entertained. And when the goal of a book isn't to entertain, but to cleverly metaphor, it often comes across as pompous and self-satisfied, so, like you, whether or not I agree with the ideals, I'm going to be annoyed b/c I don't buy books to be preached at.

That being said, I read this book b/c, at the time, it was getting so much attention. I wanted to form my own opinion. And that's probably why I took away the lesson I'm warning against. I was reading with the intent to decide how I felt about the author's underlying message. Instead, I became concerned about something else entirely.

But regardless of our differing reasons, you definitely are not alone ;)


message 18: by Markus (last edited Nov 09, 2015 04:32AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Markus Once again, I can't help but love seeing a one-star review for an amazingly popular book. I haven't read this one yet. I got it recommended to me like two days ago, but I'm not sure if I want to read it.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Markus wrote: "Once again, I can't help but love seeing a one-star review for an amazingly popular book. I haven't read this one yet. I got it recommended to me like two days ago, but I'm not sure if I want to re..."

Obviously, you're passed the point of danger, LOL. But in all honesty, I wasn't too keen on Lyra even without my main issue, but you often enjoy difficult characters, so who knows? You might like it ;)


Markus Jessica ❁ THE BOOK ENABLER ❁ Rabid Reads wrote: "Markus wrote: "Once again, I can't help but love seeing a one-star review for an amazingly popular book. I haven't read this one yet. I got it recommended to me like two days ago, but I'm not sure ..."

Heh, I have no problem reading kids' books if they're good. But still, I get the impresssion this one is not.


message 21: by Anne (new) - rated it 3 stars

Anne I really hated the Christians Are EVIL thing getting smashed in my face with these books. An I'm an ATHEIST! Still, I don't like it when an entire group is thrown under the bus like that. It was obnoxious and reeked of propaganda. Kids thinking for themselves is a good idea to have in books, but (like you said) the all adults are bad thing went too far, as well.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Propaganda does indeed stink . . . *heavy sigh*

Okay, so there are a LOT of things I didn't like about this book.


message 23: by Anne (new) - rated it 3 stars

Anne *dies laughing* I thought so...


Evelyn (devours and digests words) Why is it that instead of discouraging me from reading the book, you made me want to read this book even more? o_o xD NEVERTHELESS, great review Jess.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ B/c the paths of your mind are dark and twisty ;) KIDDING. I'm the same way. Sometimes. And thank you!


Molly *sigh* Maybe I should reread it. I don't remember much of the books, but you got a point there.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Personally, I only reread books that I LOVE ;)


Khanh, first of her name, mother of bunnies I never even thought of that. I just didn't like it because it was boring...


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ HA. I wasn't particularly entertained by it either, but this definitely bothered me more :P


Sophie Hauser What about all of the gyptians? Most of the scholars aren't evil, Lee Scorseby? also if you read the subtle knife and amber spyglass there are adult that are good guys. You could also argue that it's not a case of 'evil' but they have become more lost as their ideas become more greyscale rather then black and white, which is very true for adults compared to children.


message 31: by Richard (new)

Richard I disagree, I think Mary is a good role model because she is used to show the joy in scientific discovery juxtaposed with the tyranny that the authority holds on humanity via the magisterium (catholic church) in how they try and teach that dust(chaos) is sin.


message 32: by Lila (new) - added it

Lila hello, child here
omg, there will be a bloodbath after i say what i have to say so here we go...
im 12, and i currently live in brazil and got this book in the brazilian version and its really, really boring - at least the start - and im not all in for lack of action i just stoped reading it for a while -woah, i really sound younger than i am. anyways,from what i gotten so far, yeah, i guess there are no responsible adults that set an example for us kids but - not being rude or anything - it would be pointless if there was. when me or my friends read a book we dont stop to think the impact that will have in our lifes, if this means adults are good or bad,or that we should rebel. i understand some doctors say that it settles in your subcouncious and stuff but all of the books ive read none had really a responsable adult figure, and im okay. seriously, we find our perfect adult figures in the real world we dont need them in stories as well -of anyone wants to yell it me please remember that its my opinion and also, im 12,and im sensitive, be aware, i may cry.


Linnea I am a young teen who read and thoroughly enjoyed this book. Kids aren't stupid. They know that most adults are good people. We as a society need to stop bubble wrapping children and let them thrive by standing back and letting them figure out stuff on their own.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Linnea wrote: "I am a young teen who read and thoroughly enjoyed this book. Kids aren't stupid. They know that most adults are good people. We as a society need to stop bubble wrapping children and let them thriv..."

I was more concerned about 6 - 8-year-olds, actually.


message 35: by [deleted user] (new)

The reading level for His Dark Materials is 12+ from the Scholastic website, so your argument about very young children taking the wrong message from this book isn't really valid considering they are not the targeted demographic. That being said, there are many respectable adult figures in the first book alone. Notably, John Faa, Farder Coram, Ma Costa, Serafina Pekkala, Lee Scoresby, and (although not human, still technically an adult) Iorek Byrnison. Of course, different strokes and all of that, but I can't help but to wonder how you came to the conclusion that there are no good - or even redeemable - adults in the entire first novel.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Ashley wrote: "The reading level for His Dark Materials is 12+ from the Scholastic website, so your argument about very young children taking the wrong message from this book isn't really valid considering they a..."

Right. B/c people always pay attention to the recommended age group. As to how I came to the conclusion that there aren't any good adult ROLE MODELS, I stated very clearly that it's been years since I read this book, so any secondary characters who aren't awful didn't make enough of an impact to stay with me, and for the rest of it, I don't believe any of the main characters were good--or even redeemable--enough to balance the negative impact of the obviously bad ones. Not at this stage of the book.

Maybe some of the characters you listed grew in importance as the series continued and colored your perception of them. Maybe I'm an idiot who has no idea what I'm talking about. Maybe eleventy billion other things. This is a review, which is ultimately an opinion, and I've stated mine.


message 37: by Anne (new) - rated it 3 stars

Anne No opinion for you!
(that was my Soup Nazi voice, btw)
You're welcome. I'm here all night...


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ HA. Speaking of opinions, did you see that Robin posted her review of book 2 in the Fire & Thorns trilogy b/c it's on sale? Just FYI. ;)


message 39: by Anne (new) - rated it 3 stars

Anne I'm going to look right now...


message 40: by Iris (new) - rated it 4 stars

Iris I did not get that at all while reading this book. Yes the human adults were devious devils, but what about Iorek? He certainly wasn't a cub, but an adult bear. He made a few mistakes but he was good and brave and loyal. A noteworthy idol.


message 41: by Sanja (new)

Sanja Aleister Crowley for children.


Ivana Books Are Magic that's exactly what I though...the language is simple enough for a kid to comprehend, but the violence inflicted on children in this novel is very distrurbing. I don't think it is a good lesson for kids to have adults who are more than willing to harm kids and use them for their own purpuses. Not that it doesn't happen...but wouldn't learning that at such an early age make kids fear adults?


Michele Cotter I would really recommend you finish the series. your review sounds like you read Genesis and shelved the Bible because it was senseless. there are more positive role models than poor ones in the adult crowd, and any kid with a good amount of sense will be able to tell that, so i don't think youneed to worry. kids arent dumb, they know there are good people and bad people. if you think the books are really that much of a threat-well, I think that's rather telling.


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siejay I respectfully disagree that there are not positive adult role models. What else are Ma Costa, John Faa, or Farder Coram? (And, deeper into the series, Lee Scoresby, Stanislaus Grumman/"Jopari", and don't forget Dr. Malone.)


Sebastian I just finished reading this extraordinary book and was going to respond and say the exact thing as siejay above ^. I would say this 'review' makes it seem as if you skimmed the book to say you'd read it, but really you had wanted to give it 1 * from the outset. I also think you also underestimate the intelligence of children to think for themselves! Not cool!


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Iris wrote: "I did not get that at all while reading this book. Yes the human adults were devious devils, but what about Iorek? He certainly wasn't a cub, but an adult bear. He made a few mistakes but he was go..."

And adult bear is not an adult human. I am not concerned that children are going to ignore their parents in favor of a grizzly 😉


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Sanja wrote: "Aleister Crowley for children."

I have no idea what that means.


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Ivana wrote: "that's exactly what I though...the language is simple enough for a kid to comprehend, but the violence inflicted on children in this novel is very distrurbing. I don't think it is a good lesson for..."

And it's not just generic adults, it's HER PARENTS 😱


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Michele wrote: "I would really recommend you finish the series. your review sounds like you read Genesis and shelved the Bible because it was senseless. there are more positive role models than poor ones in the ad..."

Do you have much success with your recommendations? I'm just curious, b/c I clearly didn't enjoy this book, yet your first statement was that I should read several more books worth of what I flat-out stated I had no use for.

Not exactly a good start. Then you follow that with an senseless analogy: I drew conclusions based on a book in its entirety, and that is somehow like DNFing another book after reading the first chapter? Even if your argument is that GC is just the first installment of the series, that's still roughly 33% of the whole, whereas according to google, Genesis is somewhere between 1.33 - 2.0% of the Bible.

And that doesn't address that you choose a book that Christians believe is the divine word of God as a point of comparison to a mediocre children's novel. A children's novel with anti-Christian sentiments, no less.

*snickers* How can you possibly expect to be taken seriously?


Jessica ❁ ➳ Silverbow ➳ ❁ Sebastian wrote: "I just finished reading this extraordinary book and was going to respond and say the exact thing as siejay above ^. I would say this 'review' makes it seem as if you skimmed the book to say you'd r..."

Yeah, well, I could infer all kinds of things about you, cool guy. Either you unwittingly insulted me in the most offensive manner possible b/c you're thoughtless and inconsiderate or you did it on purpose, which would make you significantly worse things.

OR. How 'bout this: you don't know me and I don't know you, so why don't we refrain from making assumptions about each other?


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