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Lord of the Flies
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Feb 23, 2009
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A hard book to rate as although its well written and is very thought provoking, the content gets unpleasantly graphic and some aspects are awkwardly dated (eg the assumption the British boys should be jolly good chaps - “we’re not savages, we’re English”).
Plot
It starts off as a conventional adventure: a mixed group of boys (some know each other; many who don’t) survive a plane crash on a desert island and struggle to survive. It is somewhat confused and confusing at first – perhaps to make the reader empathise with the boys’ confusion.
From the outset there are issues of priorities (Jack’s instant gratification of hunting or Ralph’s long term need for shelter and maintaining a fire signal) and leadership. It’s inevitable that standards of “civilization” will slip.
There is also an infectious fear of “the beast”, although whether one interprets it as animal, airman, hallucination, or symbolic may vary at different points in the story. Certainly the tone of the book changes after Simon’s first encounter with Lord of the Flies.

Image: Teaching Lord of the Flies, by The Jenkins Comic (Source)
Group Dynamics
Eventually the boys split into two groups: hunters who become ever more “savage” in appearance and behaviour, and the remainder who want to retain order, safety, common sense – and their lives. Why do the obedient and angelic choir turn to savagery - does the fact they have an identified leader, who isn't the overall leader once they're on the island, contribute? One also wonders how the story might be different if it was a mixed sex group, or even an all girl group. Very different, certainly, and I suppose it would provide a distraction to what Golding was trying to say about human (or just male?) nature.
It illustrates how petty bullying can be condoned and encouraged within groups (exacerbated by rituals, chanting, body markings etc) and how it can escalate to much worse. Nevertheless, one of the main victims, Piggy, is proud of his differences, demonstrates knowledge and intelligence and actually grows in confidence as his leader loses his.
Milgran, Zimbardo, Christianity...
It questions whether it is power or the environment that makes some of the boys so bad (echoes of Zimbardo’s prison experiments and Milgram’s obedience experiments - if a book can echo things which came after it was written).
In fact, Golding "experimented, while a teacher at a public school, with setting boys against one another in the manner of Lord of the Flies"! See HERE (thanks Matt).
The more Christian concept of original sin runs through it, which was probably Golding's intention (his editor made him make Simon less Jesus-like), along with other Christian analogies relating to snakes, devils (aka Lord of the Flies), self sacrifice, and redemption/rescue.
And then there are the conch and fire as symbols of order and god, respectively, in total contrast to the warpaint etc of the warriors.
Lots to think about, but more the stuff of nightmares than dreams.
Compared with The Hunger Games
It's interesting to compare this with The Hunger Games, which modern teens probably find much easier to relate to (see my review HERE). I think one problem Lord of the Flies has is that the period is tricky: too far from the present to seem "relevant" (though I think it is), but not long enough ago to be properly historical.
Compared with I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
For another dysfunctional group trying to survive a very different ordeal, see Harlan Ellison's horrific short story about an evil supercomputer, which I reviewed HERE.
Plot
It starts off as a conventional adventure: a mixed group of boys (some know each other; many who don’t) survive a plane crash on a desert island and struggle to survive. It is somewhat confused and confusing at first – perhaps to make the reader empathise with the boys’ confusion.
From the outset there are issues of priorities (Jack’s instant gratification of hunting or Ralph’s long term need for shelter and maintaining a fire signal) and leadership. It’s inevitable that standards of “civilization” will slip.
There is also an infectious fear of “the beast”, although whether one interprets it as animal, airman, hallucination, or symbolic may vary at different points in the story. Certainly the tone of the book changes after Simon’s first encounter with Lord of the Flies.

Image: Teaching Lord of the Flies, by The Jenkins Comic (Source)
Group Dynamics
Eventually the boys split into two groups: hunters who become ever more “savage” in appearance and behaviour, and the remainder who want to retain order, safety, common sense – and their lives. Why do the obedient and angelic choir turn to savagery - does the fact they have an identified leader, who isn't the overall leader once they're on the island, contribute? One also wonders how the story might be different if it was a mixed sex group, or even an all girl group. Very different, certainly, and I suppose it would provide a distraction to what Golding was trying to say about human (or just male?) nature.
It illustrates how petty bullying can be condoned and encouraged within groups (exacerbated by rituals, chanting, body markings etc) and how it can escalate to much worse. Nevertheless, one of the main victims, Piggy, is proud of his differences, demonstrates knowledge and intelligence and actually grows in confidence as his leader loses his.
Milgran, Zimbardo, Christianity...
It questions whether it is power or the environment that makes some of the boys so bad (echoes of Zimbardo’s prison experiments and Milgram’s obedience experiments - if a book can echo things which came after it was written).
In fact, Golding "experimented, while a teacher at a public school, with setting boys against one another in the manner of Lord of the Flies"! See HERE (thanks Matt).
The more Christian concept of original sin runs through it, which was probably Golding's intention (his editor made him make Simon less Jesus-like), along with other Christian analogies relating to snakes, devils (aka Lord of the Flies), self sacrifice, and redemption/rescue.
And then there are the conch and fire as symbols of order and god, respectively, in total contrast to the warpaint etc of the warriors.
Lots to think about, but more the stuff of nightmares than dreams.
Compared with The Hunger Games
It's interesting to compare this with The Hunger Games, which modern teens probably find much easier to relate to (see my review HERE). I think one problem Lord of the Flies has is that the period is tricky: too far from the present to seem "relevant" (though I think it is), but not long enough ago to be properly historical.
Compared with I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
For another dysfunctional group trying to survive a very different ordeal, see Harlan Ellison's horrific short story about an evil supercomputer, which I reviewed HERE.
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This is another one that kinda slipped away in the stream of time. Thanks for the review; now I'm going to have to go find it and re-read it. :-)
I've read Lord of the Flies and taught several times. I read the first of The Hunger Games. Personally I prefer the former. They both do contain the same themes, but I found Lord of the Flies richer because of the language. I'm sure kids would prefer The Hunger Games because the simpler language and the frequency of violence.
Suzanne wrote: "I found Lord of the Flies richer because of the language."Yep - and the symbolism.
Suzanne wrote: "I'm sure kids would prefer The Hunger Games because the simpler language and the frequency of violence."
It's also easier to draw parallels with the modern world (not necessarily better, but easier).
Luckily for the future generations, I'm retired. I was never known for taking the easier roads. They always said that I took literature and my job too seriously.
Unluckily for future generations, by the sound of it. :(Taking literature too seriously?! What a sad and awful thing for someone to say.
Most of what 15-18 years olds say, especially to their English teachers, is pretty sad and awful. Listen to the lyrics of their music. They grow up, or at least some do. I've met a few, 10 years later who have fond memories of books and their false bravado. Maybe in reverse order.(-:
Joanb wrote: "The book is not dated, actually, it's written for a certain time period. It's like saying "The French Lieutenant's Woman" is dated."I don't quite agree. The French Lieutenant's Woman is a period piece, too distant from our current time for direct comparison with it, whereas Lord of the Flies is recognisably modern in some ways (aeroplanes, for instance) and although it has something to tell us today (e.g. about power), other aspects can be distracting or make it less appealing to the youth of today (eg the assumption the British boys should be jolly good chaps - “we’re not savages, we’re English”).
I was surprised in finding out that even the characters symbolized something; voilence, intellect, justice...and that's why some got along and other didn't. The notion of 'the beast' brought me to think of our own society's beast. Is he made up too? Needless to say I'm not scared of the beast anymore =)
Alaa wrote: " The notion of 'the beast' brought me to think of our own society's beast. Is he made up too? Needless to say I'm not scared of the beast anymore =) "Whether or not the Beast is made up perhaps depends on whether you think the devil is made up. And there are plenty of adults who are scared of him!
Hahahah yes indeed, and as I've figured out, the 'beast' is within us. It's very nicely potrayed in the lord of the flies
A very interesting review as always Cecily. That Guardian article did not paint a very pretty picture of Golding. Have you by any chance read his biography?
Thanks for linking to me :)I wonder if mentioning Golding's own experiments in a review is considered as judging author's behavior? That would be a mortal sin, according to GR standards ;-)
Maybe it's different for authors who are dead.
Caroline wrote: "A very interesting review as always Cecily. That Guardian article did not paint a very pretty picture of Golding. Have you by any chance read his biography?"Thanks, Caroline. In answer to your question, I'm your opposite: I mainly read fiction. Were I big fan of Golding, I might read a biography of him, but I'm not, so I won't. Have you?
Matt wrote: "Thanks for linking to me :)"It seemed only fair.
Matt wrote: "I wonder if mentioning Golding's own experiments in a review is considered as judging author's behavior? That would be a mortal sin, according to GR standards ;-)
Maybe it's different for authors who are dead."
Ha! Good point, but I think the answer is in your final line. Almost all the infamous off-topic deletions were of authors who were able to object.
Another interesting tidbit I found in the book Was geschah mit Schillers Schädel? (trans: What happened to Schiller's Skull).In an interview Truman Capote claimed that Lord of the Flies were almost identical to A High Wind in Jamaica; accusing Golding of plagiarism.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/...
Cecily wrote: "Thanks, Caroline. In answer to your question, I'm your opposite: I mainly read fiction. Were I big fan of Golding, I might read a biography of him, but I'm not, so I won't. Have you?...."I haven't. Whilst I do enjoy biogs - and particularly autobiogs, I don't often read about writers.
Nice to find your review on this, Cecily! Thanks for bringing out the Original Sin obsession. Yes, the book can be seen as an attempt to show the degraded nature of all humanity. An irremovable smear which is kept covered by the 'veneer of civilization' and is always waiting to be exposed...
Thanks, Riku. Coming from you, I'm flattered. It would be interesting to read something closer to Golding's original version - even though I expect I'd dislike it!
There are no new plots under the Sun, Cecily. Some people are optimistic others pessimistic, but writers copy each other ( the polite word for this), it has always been so, and will always be this ...
Indeed. Even the idea of a limited number of plots is not original, even if people can't agree on the number:The Seven Basic Plots: Why We Tell Stories
Twenty Master Plots and How to Build Them
Sabah, don't feel ashamed - just relish the fact you'll have a new slant when next you read it.Poor, poor Piggy. I think you're exactly right.
A most insightful review, Cecily.Even when I read this as a kid, I felt that it was already dated.
Still a great read though.
Upon the ousting of dictators, we've seen how quickly anarchy can establish itself. Where would civilisation be without the sanctity of rules?
Not that I'm advocating the renewal of dictators!
Kevin wrote: "A most insightful review, Cecily.Even when I read this as a kid, I felt that it was already dated."
Thanks, and it was and is. There's still a lot of merit in it, but I don't think I'd recommend it to YAs today unless they were really keen.
Kevin wrote: "Upon the ousting of dictators, we've seen how quickly anarchy can establish itself. Where would civilisation be without the sanctity of rules?
Not that I'm advocating the renewal of dictators!"
Well, benevolent dictatorship is the most efficient form of government. The difficulty is finding a suitable candidate - and keeping them immune from absolute power corrupting them absolutely.
Great review Cecily. I hated this book as a teenager, but these days I do have a new found appreciation for it.
David wrote: "Great review Cecily. I hated this book as a teenager, but these days I do have a new found appreciation for it."Thanks, David. I don't think I read it as a teen. Being at a girls' boarding school, it would have felt very alien.
I've come to this via your comments on Glenn Sumi's review. Yours is clearly expressed and perfectly fair, considering that you do not particularly relate to it either by gender or (I would guess) generation. But as an Englishman who began boarding school in the forties, the basic premises ring very true. "We're not savages; we're British" was indeed how we were brought up. Golding's book says, in effect, "Hang on, that's not necessarily so!" Any irony belongs to a later generation (perhaps yours?) which has taken Golding's point and laughs at that smug assumption. Points like this, the school uniforms, the at-first-unquestioned hierarchies, make it every bit as much a period piece as Tom Brown's Scooldays or Stalkey and Co. R.
Roger wrote: "Yours is clearly expressed and perfectly fair, considering that you do not particularly relate to it either by gender or (I would guess) generation. But as an Englishman who began boarding school in the forties, the basic premises ring very true...."Thanks, and you're broadly right. I did attend a single-sex British boarding school, but it was all girls, and it was late 70s to early 80s, so a little different to what you and Golding knew, but only a little.
Stephen wrote: "I see this copy has the best cover"It's suitably and artistically grim.
It's not actually the edition I have, but I no long remember why.
1) Having tried my hand at writing I came to the conclusion there were only 3 plots: Davy vs Goliath, Red Riding Hood, and Cinderella. You can work all sorts of variations on them but everything seems to boil down to those essential concepts.2) As for an all-girl cast, I'm surprised the Japanese haven't done a version of it. I see so many movies where they cast innocent school girls in bad girl mode. It must have something to do with those plaid skirts.
3) I saw the 1960 version of the book as a kid on a late-nite sci-fi broadcast (?) and never understood a word of it. The scene of the kid facing off against the pig is completely incomprehensible without the book's dialogue.
James wrote: "1) Having tried my hand at writing I came to the conclusion there were only 3 plots..."That's pretty condensed. It's an interesting exercise. Kurt Vonnegut argued for seven:
Words and pictures: http://www.openculture.com/2014/02/ku...
Him on video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP3c1...
There's also this: The Seven Basic Plots: Why We Tell Stories
Or maybe three, or thirty six: https://www.theguardian.com/books/boo...
James wrote: "2) As for an all-girl cast, I'm surprised the Japanese haven't done a version of it...."
Good point. And maybe they have, but we don't know about it.
James wrote: "3) I saw the 1960 version of the ...."
I don't think I've seen it on screen.
Required high school reading. Hated it then but read about 10 years ago. Understood the book far better as an adult.
I forgot to mention that Capote had a point about A High Wind in Jamaica, a subversive masterpiece that should be more widely known. I see that I went into the comparison a bit in my review. R.
Kathy wrote: "Required high school reading. Hated it then but read about 10 years ago. Understood the book far better as an adult."It was commonly taught in my school, too, but my group didn't study it, so I came to it as an adult.
Roger wrote: "I forgot to mention that Capote had a point about A High Wind in Jamaica, a subversive masterpiece that should be more widely known. I see that I went into the comparison a bit in my review. R."So I see. Excellent review, and thanks for the link.
I also gave this a three. I agree with you on the awkwardly dated aspects of the novel. Should have read this as a public schoolboy back in 1963.
Steven wrote: "I also gave this a three. I agree with you on the awkwardly dated aspects of the novel. Should have read this as a public schoolboy back in 1963."In 1963?! Isn't that before you were born?
I went to a girls' boarding school (not in the 1960s!), and this was on the syllabus for some sets, though not mine. It may have worked for boys back then, but must have been strange for a cloistered group of girls.
Roger wrote: "Someone ought to write a girl-oriented version. Or perhaps someone already has? R."I've wondered, too, though not actively searched for one. I'm sure it must have been done, even if it never became popular or well-known.
Roger wrote: "Someone ought to write a girl-oriented version. Or perhaps someone already has? R."Plans for a film last year, apparently: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...
or
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017...
I agree that a group of boys crashing on an island without anyone was a little convenient. I thought it was confusing how half of them were in a cult-like group but Ralph and the other boys were not. I thought it was odd how Ralph and the rest of the boys on the island acted as if they had never met before even though they were on the same plane moments before. Although the beginning of the book was confusing, it was very descriptive throughout the entire. I thought that some of the events like the pig ritual or killing Simon were a little gory and disturbing. I agree with you that it was odd how a disciplined group of choir boys turned into savages with face paint and rituals almost overnight. They went from walking in formation with caps and gowns to killing, hunting, and rebelling order in a matter of days. The book was really drawn out and detailed when it could have been more interesting for the reader if Golding had more events and less detail. I agree with you that with the book being so detailed the end would be just as detailed, however, the end (resolution) was quick without much explanation to it. I thought it was odd how the officer was not faced with what he had found.
Jade wrote: "I agree that a group of boys crashing on an island without anyone was a little convenient. I thought it was confusing how half of them were in a cult-like group but Ralph and the other boys were not..."Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Jade. It's a long time since I reviewed this, but I don't think it's especially surprising that they divided into groups and those groups became antagonistic and therefore opposite. The fact it was the disciplined choir boys who turned vicious so quickly is perhaps because they had more to rebel against, but they were used to working as a team and obeying a leader.
Have you read other books on a similar theme you enjoyed more?
But I certainly agree that some of the rituals and deaths were gory and disturbing.
I liked this novel but, per your remarks, I learned in recent years that the Zimbardo prison experiment was a fraud.https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/1744911...
There's been some re-thinking of Miligram, as well....
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...


