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Struggle Makes Us Human: Learning from Movements for Socialism
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Sep 05, 2022
bookshelves: theory-socialism-marxism, econ-real-world-socialism, 2-brilliant-intros-101, 1-how-the-world-works
Much-needed uplifting perspectives on building for social needs...
Preamble:
--This introductory book (interview format) is in some ways an inverse of Vijay’s other recent intro, Washington Bullets: A History of the CIA, Coups, and Assassinations. Instead of unpacking imperialism's depravities, this book is a celebration of the censored struggles for decolonization and socialism that best captures Vijay’s constructive encouragement lost in many deconstructive critiques. Vijay has been a favorite speaker as well: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS...
Highlights:
1) Pure critique greets disillusionment:
--How much has the Western academic Left silently adopted capitalism’s TINA (There Is No Alternative, ex. Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?), leaving space for the Alt-Right to parody populist discontent (The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Donald Trump) during recent crises?
...Vijay refers to Left “post-Marxists” as “pre-Marxists”, where Western Marxism abandoned real-world conditions of political economy/mass movements (steming from rejection of USSR and disinterest in the Global South) in favor of abstract philosophical/cultural critiques.
--With the USSR’s dismantlement, Western anticommunist social democrats soon learned their welfare state compromise with capitalists was revoked to implement TINA globally (“globalization”). Vijay counters the Left’s echo-chamber subcultures (narcissism of small differences, see The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity) with the messy commitments to real-world solidarity and empathy.
2) Real-world peoples and “new intellectuals”:
--Vijay frames socialist history as “a series of experiments”, “zigs and zags” as we must recognize human limitations and contradictions. “Part of being political is not to run away from the people but to draw the people into confrontation with the present toward the future.”
--Most interpret Antonio Gramsci as identifying “traditional intellectuals” (serving status quo power structure) and “organic intellectuals” (organic to their specific class/group). Vijay's interpretation adds the communist as “new intellectuals” who:
i) learn from within the dispossessed/moments (which have their own “organic intellectuals”), rather than merely from a distance in academia (“traditional intellectuals”)
ii) isolate the “contradictory consciousness” (where the exploited are also targeted by status quo education/culture industries/divide-and-rule); the “new intellectuals” makes use of their privileged time/resources which “organic intellectuals” of the dispossessed may lack
iii) present the contradictions back to the dispossessed, acting as “permanent persuaders” seeking synthesis, rather than merely report back to academia (a power structure funded and exploited by corporate think tanks/military intelligence; i.e. “traditional intellectuals”).
...Consciousness is not enough, as the dispossessed require opportunities to build confidence to change their conditions. Vijay has switched from teaching in formal academia to directing the Tricontinental Institute for Social Research, etc.
3) Real-world histories and the censored Global South:
--Vijay’s magnum opus The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World challenges the notion that theory comes from the Global North/West, whereas the Global South only produces survivalist guerilla manuals.
--The Global South shares a similar context with the USSR just liberated from the Tsarist monarchy with mostly rural peasantry exhausted from the imperialist WWI and facing further imperialist/fascist threats. Thus, the Global South's Left did not so readily succumb to the West's bi-polar Red Scare Cold War; the USSR was critiqued within the context of communist experimentation (including recognizing the successes, from social programs that pushed the West to compromise on domestic welfare to aiding decolonization/buffer against direct US imperialism, etc.). For more on the mechanisms of imperialism, see:
-intro: The Divide: A Brief Guide to Global Inequality and its Solutions
-dive (by Vijay’s favourite political economists): Capital and Imperialism: Theory, History, and the Present
--This legacy is connected to today’s examples of socialist community participation in social experiments (ex. producers' cooperatives) and struggles (ex. COVID19 responses prioritizing social needs) in Kerala (India), Cuba, Brazil’s Landless Workers’ Movement, Vietnam, Laos, etc. Socialism is hardly “big government”; these are examples of vibrant communities with various social organizations, which includes/interacts with a Leftist government (if in power). For Vijay on China: https://youtu.be/8-m-DZHLNGs
--Juxtapose this with Western “democracy”, with sham elections (periodic/low turnout/financed by money-power/divisive, narrow topics avoiding economic power that can unite the public; see The Democracy Project: A History, a Crisis, a Movement) andeconomy-first profit-first responses to social crises such as COVID-19 (the abysmal responses of the US/UK despite their vast imperialist resources, as well as Brazil/India besides Kerala) that ironically rely on “big (capitalist) government” given the absence of robust community organizations! Of course, the capitalist state is always there to bail out the capitalists. This is sophisticated capitalist authoritarianism and alienation.
--I’ve referenced 2 David Graeber books. Graeber, a diverse “anarchist”, was the first author to inspire me with constructive social imagination (of a global scale that does not neglect the Global South) beyond deconstructive critiques. I’m re-reading his works, and while there are plenty of debates on history/theories/strategies with a diverse Marxist like Vijay, there are still much more to synthesize; a messy world demands a diverse toolbox.
--To finish according to the book’s uplifting spirit:
Preamble:
--This introductory book (interview format) is in some ways an inverse of Vijay’s other recent intro, Washington Bullets: A History of the CIA, Coups, and Assassinations. Instead of unpacking imperialism's depravities, this book is a celebration of the censored struggles for decolonization and socialism that best captures Vijay’s constructive encouragement lost in many deconstructive critiques. Vijay has been a favorite speaker as well: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS...
Highlights:
1) Pure critique greets disillusionment:
--How much has the Western academic Left silently adopted capitalism’s TINA (There Is No Alternative, ex. Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?), leaving space for the Alt-Right to parody populist discontent (The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Donald Trump) during recent crises?
...Vijay refers to Left “post-Marxists” as “pre-Marxists”, where Western Marxism abandoned real-world conditions of political economy/mass movements (steming from rejection of USSR and disinterest in the Global South) in favor of abstract philosophical/cultural critiques.
--With the USSR’s dismantlement, Western anticommunist social democrats soon learned their welfare state compromise with capitalists was revoked to implement TINA globally (“globalization”). Vijay counters the Left’s echo-chamber subcultures (narcissism of small differences, see The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity) with the messy commitments to real-world solidarity and empathy.
I would prefer any day to spend my time fighting to build popular unity among people than just being critical of the world.
You see, here’s the problem with abstract intellectualism. It is too easy to stand outside the practical activity of building the future and offer one’s criticisms. You might end up with the best criticisms of everything because you have taken a step outside the stream of reality, and take the position of objectivity. You’ve taken a god-like perch. […] All the things you are saying are probably true, but I learned something very early on from Marx. In the 11th Thesis on Feuerbach, Marx writes, “The philosophers have interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it.” What he’s talking about is the intellectual that leaves the stream of reality, stands outside it and says, Ah, I interpret that world over there. You understand things best if you are in the midst of changing them. You have to root yourself in the stream of history; […] It’s difficult because it means you have to make commitments to people; you are to understand the limitations, but you have to find a way to exit our problems rather than judge the world one way or the other. [Bold emphases added]
2) Real-world peoples and “new intellectuals”:
--Vijay frames socialist history as “a series of experiments”, “zigs and zags” as we must recognize human limitations and contradictions. “Part of being political is not to run away from the people but to draw the people into confrontation with the present toward the future.”
--Most interpret Antonio Gramsci as identifying “traditional intellectuals” (serving status quo power structure) and “organic intellectuals” (organic to their specific class/group). Vijay's interpretation adds the communist as “new intellectuals” who:
i) learn from within the dispossessed/moments (which have their own “organic intellectuals”), rather than merely from a distance in academia (“traditional intellectuals”)
ii) isolate the “contradictory consciousness” (where the exploited are also targeted by status quo education/culture industries/divide-and-rule); the “new intellectuals” makes use of their privileged time/resources which “organic intellectuals” of the dispossessed may lack
iii) present the contradictions back to the dispossessed, acting as “permanent persuaders” seeking synthesis, rather than merely report back to academia (a power structure funded and exploited by corporate think tanks/military intelligence; i.e. “traditional intellectuals”).
...Consciousness is not enough, as the dispossessed require opportunities to build confidence to change their conditions. Vijay has switched from teaching in formal academia to directing the Tricontinental Institute for Social Research, etc.
3) Real-world histories and the censored Global South:
--Vijay’s magnum opus The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World challenges the notion that theory comes from the Global North/West, whereas the Global South only produces survivalist guerilla manuals.
--The Global South shares a similar context with the USSR just liberated from the Tsarist monarchy with mostly rural peasantry exhausted from the imperialist WWI and facing further imperialist/fascist threats. Thus, the Global South's Left did not so readily succumb to the West's bi-polar Red Scare Cold War; the USSR was critiqued within the context of communist experimentation (including recognizing the successes, from social programs that pushed the West to compromise on domestic welfare to aiding decolonization/buffer against direct US imperialism, etc.). For more on the mechanisms of imperialism, see:
-intro: The Divide: A Brief Guide to Global Inequality and its Solutions
-dive (by Vijay’s favourite political economists): Capital and Imperialism: Theory, History, and the Present
--This legacy is connected to today’s examples of socialist community participation in social experiments (ex. producers' cooperatives) and struggles (ex. COVID19 responses prioritizing social needs) in Kerala (India), Cuba, Brazil’s Landless Workers’ Movement, Vietnam, Laos, etc. Socialism is hardly “big government”; these are examples of vibrant communities with various social organizations, which includes/interacts with a Leftist government (if in power). For Vijay on China: https://youtu.be/8-m-DZHLNGs
--Juxtapose this with Western “democracy”, with sham elections (periodic/low turnout/financed by money-power/divisive, narrow topics avoiding economic power that can unite the public; see The Democracy Project: A History, a Crisis, a Movement) and
--I’ve referenced 2 David Graeber books. Graeber, a diverse “anarchist”, was the first author to inspire me with constructive social imagination (of a global scale that does not neglect the Global South) beyond deconstructive critiques. I’m re-reading his works, and while there are plenty of debates on history/theories/strategies with a diverse Marxist like Vijay, there are still much more to synthesize; a messy world demands a diverse toolbox.
--To finish according to the book’s uplifting spirit:
There’s a line from the eighteenth-century poet Akbar Allahabadi, aadmi tha, bari mushkil se insaan hua. We were people; with great difficulty we became human. The process of struggle is a humanizing process. It’s in the process of struggle that you and I learn to be better people.
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"It's in the process of struggle that you and I learn to be better people." After 73 years of life, I see little evidence that supports this high minded claim. Struggle in and of itself is just as likely to make one a scoundrel, or anything in between, as it is to make one a better person. Would that it were so because the struggles imposed on the hapless populations afflicted by socialism and its variants would, by now, have made them lights to the world. And the Gulag would have become a moral improvement society. But we know from eyewitness accounts that the opposite was true.
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Douglas wrote: ""It's in the process of struggle that you and I learn to be better people. After 73 years of life I see little evidence that supports this highs minded claim. Struggle in and of itself is just as l...""73 years of life" gathering "evidence", just so you could interpret a one-liner on "struggle" as gulags?
Douglas wrote: ""It's in the process of struggle that you and I learn to be better people. After 73 years of life I see little evidence that supports this highs minded claim. Struggle in and of itself is just as l..."I recently read a social media post you’ll like. It claimed “those poor Isis fighters” are being killed by the Iraqi government. How terrible!
Michael’ wrote: "Douglas wrote: ""It's in the process of struggle that you and I learn to be better people. After 73 years of life, I see little evidence that supports this high minded claim. Struggle in and of its..."Please explain.
"73 years of life" gathering "evidence", just so you could interpret a one-liner on "struggle" as gulags? Is this a one-liner?
Doug to-struggle-is-to-gulag must think the West greets the rest with fair competition, just play by the rules and be merry, where colonization was just a phase, where Western sanctions and bombs are just decoration or a prophylaxis against scary scoundrels blinded by envy. The licensed fools of royal courts were a noble profession compared to this vulgarity.
John wrote: "Doug to-struggle-is-to-gulag must think the West greets the rest with fair competition, just play by the rules and be merry, where colonization was just a phase, where Western sanctions and bombs a..."I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if you are trying to make a case for moral equivalency (or inferiority) of the West and those regions plagued by communism and its offshoots, then you are making a false comparison made possible by the fact that, compared to the hapless populations of such countries, you are living well and free and have no experience as to how bad it can get. However, there is a vast literature out there which can give you some idea of what it is like. Seek that out.
Douglas wrote: I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if you are trying to make a case for moral equivalency (or inferiority) of the West and those regions plagued by communism and its offshoots, then you are making a false comparison...""there is a vast literature out there"...you mean your Robert Conquest books on the USSR is suppose to represent all the global struggles for social needs?
You do realize the "vast literature" states the life expectancies of countries prior to their 20th century revolutions were horrendous, "you are living well and free and have no experience as to how bad it can get". "Seek that out".
China and Russia with life expectancies in their 30's (you've lived twice their life expectancies, you "have no experience of how bad it can get"), feudal rural masses without industrialization, China in its "Century of Humiliation" as the "Sick Man of Asia", Russia being defeated by industrializing Japan. "Seek that out".
Post-revolution, despite Western sanctions (thus global, as the West dominated global capitalism) and invasion (vs. Russia), and fascist Japan and Germany invasions (sacrificing the most lives to defeat fascism), and the chaos of rapid industrialization in decades (which took the West centuries on the backs of slaves/Global South colonies), these countries still somehow managed to double their life expectancies in decades, reaching striking distance of the West while other post-colonial countries who did not prioritize social needs (ex. India) lagged behind. "Seek that out"
Captain To-struggle-is-to-gulag. 73 years of Red Scare fanboying over Robert Conquest. Vulgar.
John wrote: "Douglas wrote: I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if you are trying to make a case for moral equivalency (or inferiority) of the West and those regions plagued by communism and its offsho..."Someone is living in a bubble, I think. You are indoctrinated, no point in pursuing this. Have a Diet Pepsi. Good day!
Douglas wrote: "John wrote: "Douglas wrote: I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if you are trying to make a case for moral equivalency (or inferiority) of the West and those regions plagued by communism a..."Shame 73 years of Red Scare indoctrination didn't prepare you for even mainstream stats on life expectancy and pre-revolution conditions.
On the plus side, this thread has come up with some good material for a band:
"To Struggle is to Gulag"
"Bombs as decoration"
"Prophylaxis against scary scoundrels blinded by envy"
"The noble profession of licensed fools"
"73 Years of Vulgarity"
Douglas wrote: "John wrote: "Douglas wrote: I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if you are trying to make a case for moral equivalency (or inferiority) of the West and those regions plagued by communism a..."Get some help with that denial, it's never too late.
John wrote: "Douglas wrote: "John wrote: "Douglas wrote: I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if you are trying to make a case for moral equivalency (or inferiority) of the West and those regions plague..."What's interesting is I could do a better job critiquing socialism.
--The problem with indoctrination is you externalize and thus sacrifice portions of reality so you cannot even try to process it, leaving you with "no point in pursuing this".
--These parts of reality may indeed be full of contradictions. It's not like I somehow have my "side" 100% figured out with a universal answer; that would indeed be "vulgar". The contradictions are at least recognized and engaged with.
...So of course I have (contextualized) critiques of socialist rapid industrialization, siege socialism/war communism, decolonization's nationalism, market socialism, Left adventurism, intellectual biases, working-class biases, etc. etc. etc.
--I'm reminded of the distinctions in status quo ideology:
a) Default: "apolitical", thus by default adopting the status quo. (note: I provide much more patience here).
b) Devoted: 73 years of Red Scare Robert Conquest: Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies.
...also, what separates:
a) Classical political economists like Adam Smith, David Ricardo... and later variants (Weber, Schumpeter, Henry George), all not "leftists" and often status quo apologists, but at least capable of recognizing many real-world contradictions. Thus, plenty to debate here, usually around interpretations/social imagination/class biases etc. Not to mention the massive debates within the "Left" smh.
b) "Vulgar" economists/social theorists: Malthus, Marginalists (Neoclassical and Austrian, i.e. Anti-Classical), Ayn Rand etc. ...I'm actually privileged to have started in this swamp, with Austrian School's Mises and Hayek, experiencing their lures and omissions, before wading through the Neoclassical reformists (Krugman, Stiglitz, Sen, Robert Reich, Partha Dasgupta, bit of Piketty). This whole "someone is living in a bubble" accusation is typical vulgar projection.
...This group is often in a coma with the Dunning-Kruger effect. They cannot even process the debate, squirming around it:
Ex. I was critiquing Struggle-Makes-Gulags for posting a critique based on a one-liner inspirational quote, as one-liners inherently cannot capture nuance. Critique content (I even reviewed the book if you refuse to read outside your bubble), not one-liners. Struggle-Makes-Gulags proceeds to identify another one-liner ("Is this a one-liner?"), thinking he found a fallacy, gotcha! ...I guess one-liners are easier to process.
Ex. responding to a post on the context of global decolonization struggles for social needs with "look at the vast literature I read on USSR gulags, you must be justifying gulags, you must be doing crude comparisons without context (West vs. socialist) because I cannot process otherwise, aha! Moral equivalency! Gotcha!"
Ex. sure, let's talk about the Red Scare fear-mongering targets of Stalin (and Mao) since that must be all you've read in your "vast literature"; what were their pre-revolution/WWII context? How did they compare to countries in a similar 20th century context, like India? ...Shoot, what did the "vast literature" of Robert Conquest have to say about this?

