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Yellowface by R.F. Kuang
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it was ok
bookshelves: 2022, arc, contemporary, racism

2/5

i feel weird writing this review. for one, Yellowface isn’t out until next year. two, the book is very meta about twitter and book reviews—ratings on goodreads even make up several important plot points. i feel like me and the book are engaging in some inside joke.

i’ve decided not to include any quotes from the book and talk in general terms with minor details to avoid spoilers (not anything that’s not in the premise, anyway), but i’m still talking about how i felt about different parts of the book, including the middle and end, even though I won’t be talking about what happens in them. so if you want to go in blind, beware. i know this runs the risk of me describing something one way, but then you going and reading it and interpreting a different way, but until it actually comes out and i can drop the ‘extended’ (and hopefully more sophisticated) review, this will have to do.

yellowface is meant to be drama and dark satire. it’s a bit hilariously grim and grimly hilarious to anyone who’s ever needed to close booktwt and touch grass, but also interesting to anyone moderately familiar with books, writing or publishing. the prose isn’t babel, where i was stopping every page to savour the writing style, but it is fast-paced and fairly easy to get through. and i’m kind of torn about yellowface, but the worst part is that i can’t figure out whether it’s in a “this didn't work for me, personally” way, or a more objective “this is a Critique” way.

my problem with yellowface comes down to the fact that i cannot separate the narrative voice from rfk’s voice at all. a lot of the experiences of a certain character lines up very much with what i know is rfk’s own, and that is on purpose and not necessarily bad—she’s an author who’s always been very open about putting a lot of herself into her books and it’s one of the things that can add to their emotional depth. a lot of readers will likely proclaim the fact you can’t unsee the hand of the author in the writing is The Point. however, when the characters start to receive criticisms that are very similar to criticisms rfk has faced, but represented somewhat flatly, i cock my head a bit. see: problematic representation of Taiwanese indigenous people (a criticism in isolation that depnding on the book may be valid, but in yellowface is shown to be made by people who are just jealous of the author and don’t actually know what they’re talking about), privately-educated, rich western diaspora writing about traumatic histories of working classes from the homelands they’ve only visited a few times (a criticism in isolation that depending on the author may be valid, but in yellowface is made from the perspective of the racist white woman using it to justify her horrible actions), etc.

this may not bother other readers, but i can’t help but side-eye it. she gets around it by having these criticisms be made by mouthpieces—that’s another thing about yellowface, by the way. so many mouthpieces. i don’t think this is a book where readers will get very attached to the characters, not just because the mc is an unreliable narrator, but because yellowface is more of a book where characters are tools that represent different things and perspectives and are meant to be grimly watched, observed and laughed at from above. which is mostly fun, until you start to distinguish between rfk’s mouthpieces a bit: which ones she represents more flatly and more caricatured, and the one she gives more nuanced paragraphs to, from under which i think I can make out the haze of her opinions. and i’m not fond of them all the time.

as always, it’s certainly interesting, but the middle of the book is basically all twitter discourse. it had me wondering if i could just scroll through my timeline and get the same experience instead. it’s veryyy meta—sometimes fun, sometimes obnoxious. maybe it’s too ‘high concept’ for me, sorry, or maybe it's heavy-handed. and it makes my job writing this difficult, because how much can i attribute to the unreliable narrator, satirical style or rfk herself? where does one end and the other begin, if they do so at all?

(which was a big thing that irked me with tpw. people would make criticisms of rfk's narrative choices and plot points and the response would be ‘well, rin is an unreliable narrator!’ yes, but there is such thing as framing and context which are important things to consider when trying to figure out what an author actually is saying, intentionally or not. but anyways.)

speaking of slightly more well-written unreliable narrators, juniper song is… a character. more of an awful ball of jealous, racist, liberal misery who you get to follow the entertaining downward spiral of throughout the book than a person. at least, when she's not hindered by rfk's blunt writing style striking her on the head. the commentary and discussion yellowface wants to have about publishing and racism is genuinely interesting and important, but I enjoyed yellowface most when it doing less back-and-forth with its own themes and more about the fucked up relationship between athena liu and juniper song/june hayward/athena liu. ie, when it was more about actual people than rfk's comemntary. despite athena dying at the very start of the story, she haunts the narrative, sometimes through flashbacks, sometimes through other people’s experiences, sometimes literally. and the narrative is juniper. i love a good fucked up friendship/rivalry/impersonation?/whatever the fuck this is. there's a flashback where we find out about a fucked up thing athena did regarding a traumatic event juniper went through--something which in no way justifies the scale of what juniper does throughout the book, but muddies the waters and makes everyone involved seem like more flawed, three-dimensional people. keyword, people! and whenever that relationship had the spotlight, i couldn’t put yellowface down. it's insane the narrative spent more time on its self-indulgent satire than it does on its genuinely compelling emotional core.

which is why i was really loving the third act, in which a lot of my criticisms seemed to fall away and the mess of the premise was really coming to a head. i was reading it late at night and, even though it’s not a horror, i got actually creeped out by several parts. to be honest, if yellowface had stuck the landing, it could have been four stars.

and that’s my final problem with yellowface. it has a decent plot, interesting cast of characters, interesting themes and discussions, but my only feeling on the ending was, ‘…that’s it?’ i know i said i wouldn’t do quotes, but im making an exception for the bit where our narrator says, ‘I’ve written myself into a corner. The first two thirds of the book were a breeze to compose, but what do i do with the ending? Where do I leave my protagonist, now that there’s no clear resolution?’ Which is very meta, because based off the ending, i feel that’s the position rfk was in at that exact point. i can somewhat tell she struggled with where to take the ending and i have more thoughts on why i felt underwhelmed by it, but i guess that’ll be for 2023, for when it's no doubt on all the 'Very Important Books of the Year' lists. for now, i can see myself rereading babel and parts of tpw, but i don’t see myself rereading yellowface.

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trigger warnings for this book: racism, c slur, suicidal ideation, sexual assault

edit 24/05/2023: unsurprisingly, some people on twitter cannot fucking read, so to clarify some things: 1) i am not white. i am asian, 2) I DO NOT CARE THAT JUNE WAS IRREDEEMABLE. I DID NOT WANT A REDEMPTION FOR A RACIST. my main problem was that i found the way yellowface handled its themes came at the cost of other aspects of the story when it should have been making them better. 3) "[insert criticism here] is literally the whole point of the story omgggg how could you miss the point so bad did you even pass english lit in school etc etc." personally, i do not enjoy 300 pages of on-the-nose commentary through uncompelling mouthpieces. i especially find it questionable when some of these mouthpieces flatly reflect criticisms the authors has actually received in regards to her previous work. if you do, more power to you! if what i disliked about the book is what you enjoyed about it, well, that's just how having an opinion works. i don't know what to tell you. i can definitely understand how someone who isn't as aware of some of the meta-commentary would have more enjoyment. but i find the response that i "missed the point" (to be honest, the writing constantly tries its best to be Desperately Sure You Are Not Missing The Point) that this book is about racism by some white readers when i'm intimately familiar with racism, both as it pertains to real life and in media, kind of... well. racist.

in a way, i guess this book is perfect for booktwitter. a lot of recognisable discourse where the Message and Themes are written out for you in big bold letters, constantly, all the time, throughout the story, just in case you missed it—that way, even your average reading-comprehension-starved twitter user can pick up on it—padded with enough relatable material about being chronically online and plenty of fictional ragebait to distract from a narrative that can’t get its teeth into its own premise and a third act that can’t deliver. target audience acquired.

in line with the theme of the book, i’m going to completely steal another reviewer’s words that i can’t stop thinking about. 'the problem with kuang is that, despite a reputation for in-depth research, she refuses to interrogate beyond her scope.' go read it. and i’d like to add to that: a lot of her most avid readers don’t have the appetite for anything beyond that, either. and take it incredibly personally when at the end of the meal, you’re still hungry.

and to be clear, this isn't a blanket response to everyone who disagrees with me (i've had interesting conversations with people who do)--just to some people who are determined to take the most uncharitable opinion possible of a frankly lukewarm review.

a book can be about an important subject matter and i can still feel it fell short of what it was trying to do. that is not me putting personal attack on the author, the author's identity, the subject matter itself, or any readers who enjoyed the book or their identities. i didn't even hate the book. i liked parts of it quite a bit. i just wanted more.
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Finished Reading
June 30, 2022 – Shelved
June 30, 2022 – Shelved as: 2022
June 30, 2022 – Shelved as: arc
June 30, 2022 – Shelved as: contemporary
June 30, 2022 – Shelved as: racism

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richa ⋆.˚★ Very well summarised my thoughts, cannot wait for this book to be thoroughly dissected by twitter and readers. A detailed window in the world of publishing, writing and reviewing business. ❤️


ishika Richa wrote: "Very well summarised my thoughts, cannot wait for this book to be thoroughly dissected by twitter and readers. A detailed window in the world of publishing, writing and reviewing business. ❤️"
AHHH thank u ! :P


Molly K this is a super interesting take - I gave the book 5 stars based on its satirical nature / the criticisms it raised, but your points about how Kuang embedded her most frequent criticisms into the MCs voice is fascinating (I had no idea)


ishika Molly wrote: "this is a super interesting take - I gave the book 5 stars based on its satirical nature / the criticisms it raised, but your points about how Kuang embedded her most frequent criticisms into the M..."

yeahh i imagine the book is much more enjoyable if you arent aware of rfk's wider social media activity/prescense lol. just as someone whos followed her author journey since tpw i found it hard to overlook such aspects


Myra Walia literature doesn't exist so you can point to characters and say "omg i kin them" literature exists to enrich and reflect society I don't see anything in this review that supports the rating


ishika Myra wrote: "literature doesn't exist so you can point to characters and say "omg i kin them" literature exists to enrich and reflect society I don't see anything in this review that supports the rating"

no idea where you got the impression i was creaming my pants to kin a racist bitch lmao.

literature exists to be good, and yellowface was mediocre. i literally went through the characters, the plot, the writing style, and the ending, how i felt about each of them and where they fell short and why i settled on my rating. if you can't read that much, then i don't know what you're doing on goodreads, much less my comment section. weirdo


Bilqees (thebellekeys) haven't read it, but the aspect of kuang projecting her criticisms on to the mc of the book is something really interesting! love this review!


Celeste Gonzalez Ramos I always seem to find out about an author’s less than stellar takes, stances and views through Good Reads. I have no idea how to work Twitter because I’m sure if I did, and I found out how problematic some authors can be, I probably wouldn’t be buying their books. Now I’m curious to find out what exactly RFK has said and been criticized for because I loved and reas her Poppy Wars trilogy and am going to read Babel after I finish Princess of Souls. Great review btw!


message 9: by Jim (new)

Jim amazing review! i tend to prefer my social issues in non-fiction. in my opinion, fiction gives the reader an out - "it's only fiction!!" - and allows them to minimize the issues or just make them melodramatic, when they are factually true.


message 10: by Mary (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mary Feels super weird to criticize a book for being able to tell the author’s point of view. As a designer it would really annoy me if someone told me they didn’t like a garment I created because they could see too much of my point of view in my work.


message 11: by Nikki (new)

Nikki I agree with Mary! You guys like when authors project themselves into their work only when you relate to it, but you "side-eye" if you can't lmao


message 12: by Mary (new)

Mary Laine 'rich western diaspora writing about traumatic histories of working classes from the homelands they’ve only visited a few times' is a very valid criticism of so many 'identity experience' authors, Kuang included. Disappointing to hear it isn't taken seriously in this text, especially as these types of writers are the first to jump on white authors for writing too far outside their experiences.


message 13: by H. (new) - rated it 4 stars

H. C. I am struggling to understand why it is bad that the characters represent the author’s viewpoints since that is what many authors tend to do, but interesting review nonetheless!


message 14: by Mary (new)

Mary Laine If the authors viewpoint is ‘all my critics are just jelly haters’ then reader critique is perfectly valid, more so then if anything


message 15: by Chris (new)

Chris I had similar issues when reading "The Poppy War" trilogy, as at many points it felt as if she was stealing from history rather than inspiring her story from it as the books went on.


message 16: by Eve (new)

Eve This is exactly how I felt about Babel, actually. Characters so flat they felt preachy, terribly “that’s it” predictable ending. So the fact that you loved Babel and saw all those flaws in this tells me I will not enjoy this at all. Thank you for writing this!


message 17: by ishika (last edited Jan 31, 2023 02:23AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

ishika Mary wrote: "Feels super weird to criticize a book for being able to tell the author’s point of view. As a designer it would really annoy me if someone told me they didn’t like a garment I created because they ..."

it's not the author representing their viewpoints that bothers me, that's what all authors and artists do. it's when the characters stop being three dimensional and instead become mouthpieces to these viewpoints, and furthermore, these themes are written without subtly to the point of seeming clumsy. if you've heard of the term "hand of the author", it's where i can too clearly see it to the point it took me out of the story. i don't design, but i imagine a comparison wouldn't be someone being able to recognise your viewpoint in a garment, but rather if the way you did it pulled them out of the piece and took away from their enjoyment of it. you're free to feel differently about yellowface, but my reasoning is clear.


ishika Nikki wrote: "I agree with Mary! You guys like when authors project themselves into their work only when you relate to it, but you "side-eye" if you can't lmao"

please don't try and project bad faith interpretations of my review onto me. i never once criticised yellowface for its "relatability", whatever that means. shockingly, i *do* only like it when an author projecting themselves onto a work adds to the story, not takes away from it. read my reply to mary above.


ishika H. wrote: "I am struggling to understand why it is bad that the characters represent the author’s viewpoints since that is what many authors tend to do, but interesting review nonetheless!"

it's not that they represent the author's viewpoints, it's that they do so clumsily. i prefer to read about people, not mouthpieces, but ymmv.


ishika Molly wrote: "this is a super interesting take - I gave the book 5 stars based on its satirical nature / the criticisms it raised, but your points about how Kuang embedded her most frequent criticisms into the M..."

i can definitely see how this would read very differently to someone who doesn't have as much background context lol, and to be honest i think that's the most ideal way to read the book! i think if this was my introduction to rfk i would have liked it a lot more


message 21: by Jillian (new)

Jillian Brown Excellent review, one of the best I've come across in awhile. Thank you for addressing some of the issues that came up in my mind while reading the synopsis. The traditional publishing industry and social media book communities deserve, NEED to be satirized, and I'm disappointed that this isn't quite it.


message 22: by Jillian (new)

Jillian Brown Mary wrote: "'rich western diaspora writing about traumatic histories of working classes from the homelands they’ve only visited a few times' is a very valid criticism of so many 'identity experience' authors, ..."

Thank you, and thank you ishika for bringing this up. It's a long-held criticism I've had about the otherwise very necessary Ownvoices movement in publishing, and yet I have rarely seen it addressed on this site or on social media soapboxes.


message 23: by Evie (new) - rated it 3 stars

Evie I found this review whilst trying to make sense of how I feel about this one. Really great insightful review


message 24: by Ange (new) - rated it 4 stars

Ange I think this review actually motivates me even more to read it. Not in a "I disagree with you" way, but in a "I wonder how I will perceive it" kinda way. Because surely I will be thinking more deeply about it, considering your view point while I read it


message 25: by Anna (new) - rated it 4 stars

Anna I really liked the “not so personal” way she writes her characters in yellowface and was entertained by the satirical, but still quite true, way it portrays the publishing industry and our society at large today. Even if not so deeply, and mainly from a highly unreliable POV. I don’t have any insight to her own experiences as a writer with Twitter etc and I guess that was good, as I just read is as entertainment. Even if I kept wondering how she felt herself about her main character. Does she hate her or sympathise toward the end? Since it’s so meta it’s hard not to wonder what her own feelings are. I really liked your review and to read your take, as it differs so much from my own. I feel this book is going to be very much up for discussion later this year.


message 26: by Lauren (new) - added it

Lauren Khoury Since this will be my introduction to R.F.Kuang I really appreciated the insight and I have to agree with Angela that I'm more intrigued to read it now than before.


message 27: by RabidCheese (new)

RabidCheese you thought babel was good? what?


Summer (speaking_bookish) Kuang said in an interview that the book is meant to be satirical.


message 29: by Mia (new)

Mia I considered reading this when it popped up on my timeline and an email from gr, but as someone who couldn’t finish tpw because of how the first book ended and doing some research into the author’s views, I think I’m better off not reading any of her works. While it’s good to embed yourself within your works, it’s problematic when you move into racist territory.


Rachael Agree with other commenters. I found your review while trying to process my own feelings and confusion after reading. Appreciate your thoughts and perspective.


gabriella escoto I think this review doesn’t have any real points and this actually made me want to read it more lol


message 32: by ishika (last edited May 24, 2023 11:37AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

ishika Ella wrote: "I think this review doesn’t have any real points and this actually made me want to read it more lol"

wow really congratulations!!!! and i personally don't write reviews with the intention of making people read or not read something, just to say how i feel about it. so i hope you like it more than i did!! for super real!!!!


ishika Summer wrote: "Kuang said in an interview that the book is meant to be satirical."

yep, it definitely is. some of the bits drag, in my opinion.


ishika RabidCheese wrote: "you thought babel was good? what?"

yep! though i don't think it's perfect i found the history and magic system compelling, and the main character's arc and development was a big highlight for me.


ishika Anna wrote: "I really liked the “not so personal” way she writes her characters in yellowface and was entertained by the satirical, but still quite true, way it portrays the publishing industry and our society ..."

yeah, i can definitely understand why the things about the book that didn't work for me are exactly what work for other people.


Danielle Just wanted to say that I think this is a great review, and thank you for taking the time to write it! I haven’t finished the book yet and am still reserving judgement, but I appreciate the thoughtfulness you’ve demonstrated here.


message 37: by AndiMan (new)

AndiMan Nothing I love more than a book review that makes me think. Your critiques were really compelling to read. I haven't read any R.F. Kuang yet but this definitely gave me a more critical eye for when I do.


Momma Leighellen’s Book Nook I absolutely LOVED this book. But I also really appreciate this review and the ways it made me think about the book and your perspective.


ishika Momma Leighellen’s wrote: "I absolutely LOVED this book. But I also really appreciate this review and the ways it made me think about the book and your perspective."

that's great, and tbh i think that'll be most people. i can see how yellowface is going to click with a lot of readers


Julie Cooper As a cis white middle aged woman who is working on facing ingrained white supremacy, I worried a bit the book wasn't satirical enough for people like me to understand how RACIST it is no matter what things Juniper comes up with to justify herself - I am not part of the publishing world, nor do I use Twitter very much so my experience with the book and yours will also be different this way. But I purposely came to the review sections (where I normally don't want other's opinions to cloud mine on a book) because while an important issue, I wondered how others were interpreting it. I resonated more with your update to your review than to the actual review but appreciated this repsonse


message 41: by mar (new) - rated it 3 stars

mar dude. although i will admit i do not entirely agree with all of your points, a few of your main points are EXACTLY what i've been feeling throughout the book and how i feel now that i've finished it. i was a bit confused as to how to word my thoughts about it, especially since i loved tpw trilogy and babel, but i guess it really is just that it was a bit TOO in your face? which i know it was the point, and that is completely fine - i guess i just didn't personally prefer it since i would've liked it illustrated more in a story format? and i totally agree with you about wanting sm more with june and athena's dynamic, because it just seemed so wild! especially considering that the point of the story could've definitely been told a bit better if it was through the dynamic of the characters rather than the constant twitter and instagram comments! (which i also know was ~the point~ but i still would've liked a bit more of a creative spin on how to portray those comments. more personality i guess?) and yeah, the ending was definitely like... i get it. i do! and i actually did like it! i just wish there was something MORE. like something more insane? like something to end the build-up better?? i'm glad your review exists and that it's such a recent edit so i saw it first HAHA bc it really did articulate some feelings i had towards the book. i did enjoy this book and it indeed was quite good, i just wish it had a few more spins and different execution on some parts. i think i also just didn't like the prose (is that what it's called? like the style of writing? i'm a bit new to the review world) as much as babel, but that makes sense since they're completely different books LOL. thank you for your review friend!


ishika Mariel wrote: "dude. although i will admit i do not entirely agree with all of your points, a few of your main points are EXACTLY what i've been feeling throughout the book and how i feel now that i've finished i..."
lol i'm glad my review was able to articulate some of your feelings! i didn't mind the writing style as it was fast-paced which i thought was good, but i felt the prose was definitely less tight than babel. like in that book you could really tell how finely chosen and edited the writing was and i really wanted to stop to savour the craft, but i felt yellowface was less .. carefully done? it might not have been something i would notice normally but knowing was rfk can do with words it was a bit noticeable


Julie Gavin You nailed it! So many people said they couldn't put this book down! And I'm like.. Why...? It dragged so bad from the end of the first chapter until the penultimate. None of the characters were remotely likeable. And we were hit in the face with The Point so many times it became a very 1-dimensional story. I almost gave it 1 star, but good storycraft bumped it up to 2.


Eliza Pillsbury this is……simply a masterful review


message 45: by Emma (new) - rated it 4 stars

Emma Holmes Question… why do you say it comes out next year? The books release date was May 16th 2023


Emma Griffioen one of the best reviews ive ever read


message 47: by Eirini ♡ (new)

Eirini ♡ such a well written review


Rhiannon I didn't realize that so much of what June is criticized about mirrored Kuang! I'm going to go do a deep dive into that.


message 49: by kay! (new) - rated it 3 stars

kay! One of the best reviews I’ve read! You’ve articulated most of my thoughts on this book perfectly.


message 50: by taliwa (new)

taliwa Emma wrote: "Question… why do you say it comes out next year? The books release date was May 16th 2023" The original review was from June 30, 2022, so at that time the book wasn't going to be out for another year.


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