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The Varieties of Religious Experience by William  James
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I wanted to like this classic book, but I can't do it: too many things are wrong. A shame, because I completely approve of the idea. William James, writing around the end of the 19th century, sets out to take a cool look at how people experience religious feeling, basing his investigation on state-of-the-art psychological theory. What do we discover, and what do the findings tell us about the nature of religion? For the first two or three chapters, I enjoyed it and thought it was going in a good direction. James is evidently intelligent and well-read, and he's capable of writing excellent prose. Unfortunately, it rapidly started going off the rails in several ways.

First, the style. Yes, James is able to write wonderfully, but a lot of the time he seems to have lost all sense of self-criticism. Above all, he just won't cut anything: the book could comfortably have been shortened to half its length. Looking around, I see many editions which have far fewer pages, so I'm guessing that some editors have done just that. In the original version, which I read, he has endless, repetitious quotations, often stuffed into footnotes which can go on (literally) for two or three pages. It's worse than Infinite Jest, where at least the footnotes are intentionally annoying and often funny. These are anything but.

Next, the science. All well and good to say you'll use up-to-date psychological theory: but psychology at that time was barely a science at all, and it shows. The "scientific" explanations are in most cases not much more than hand-waving and fanciful ideas with Latin names. There are no experiments, no statistics, no falsifiable claims. It's just a mass of case studies, selected and reported according to criteria that are never in any way made clear. Just: oh, this is interesting, let's stick it in. When you cherry-pick your data this way, you can prove anything.

To be fair, James does have an informal plan for selecting his examples, but it's one that I feel very dubious about. He says he will focus on the most extreme examples of religious feeling, since it is in such cases that we will see it in its purest form. We are thus treated to hundreds of pages of quotations from born-again converts, saints and mystics. The greater part of these passages are tedious in the extreme: few of the people in question write well. And, more important, I am not at all sure I agree that religious feeling is best studied in these extreme cases. There's an analogy which suggested itself to me more than once. Imagine that most people never experienced sexual desire, and you wanted to investigate the minority who claimed that they knew it from their own experience. I would definitely not start by reading accounts of people who were into extreme BDSM; The Story of O is interesting in its perverse way, but it would probably give you all sorts of odd ideas about what sex was like. I hate to say this, but some of the saints James discusses rather reminded me of O.

At the end, I was surprised to see James unequivocally claiming that he thought religious feeling was a good thing, and that its object was some definite spiritual reality. I do wonder if he truly believed this. If he did, why pick such bizarre and unconvincing examples? I am quite capable of being moved by religious authors: for example, I love The Divine Comedy, Ash Wednesday, Jan Kjærstad's Jonas Wergeland trilogy, Flaubert's La tentation de saint Antoine and Selma Lagerlöf's Jerusalem, to name just a few. If James had actually wanted to convince his readers, I think he could have done better. He says himself that he was a person who never experienced religious feeling much at first hand; you often get the impression that he was rather sceptical about it. He is certainly quite willing to poke fun at many of the subjects he quotes.

All in all, then, an annoying and frustrating book. If you're interested in these matters, I'd instead recommend reading Gide's La porte étroite and L'immoraliste , and Smullyan's Planet Without Laughter . They're shorter, better written, and, in my humble opinion, considerably more insightful.
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March 9, 2013 – Shelved
May 2, 2013 – Started Reading
May 2, 2013 –
page 20
6.64% "James's style was sufficiently informal that many specialist philosophers have felt uneasy with it: how dare he be so interesting?

From the Introduction."
May 3, 2013 –
page 120
39.87% ""I accept the universe" is reported to have been a favorite utterance of our New England transcendentalist, Margaret Fuller; and when some one repeated this phrase to Thomas Carlyle, his sardonic comment is said to have been: "Gad! she'd better!""
May 6, 2013 –
page 150
49.83% "Certainly, the unhesitating and unreasoning way in which we feel we must inflict our civilization on 'lower' races by means of Hotchkiss guns etc, reminds one of nothing so much as the early spirit of Islam spreading its religion by the sword."
May 17, 2013 –
page 215
71.43% ""Homo duplex, homo duplex!" writes Alphonse Daudet. "The first time that I perceived that I was two was at the death of my brother Henri, when my father cried out so dramatically, 'He is dead, he is dead!" While my first self wept, the second self thought, 'How truly given was that cry, how fine it would be at the theatre.'"
May 18, 2013 –
page 285
94.68% "The believers in the non-natural character of sudden conversion have had practically to admit that there is no unmistakable class-mark distinctive of all true converts. The super-normal incidents, such as voices and visions, may all come by way of nature, or worse still be counterfeited by Satan."
May 20, 2013 –
page 315
100% "As one medical doctor commented: the only reliable cure for dipsomania is religiomania."
May 20, 2013 –
page 335
100% "As the irritated waves dashed around us, I could not help experiencing a certain degree of satisfaction in my mind. I pleased myself with thinking that those mutinous billows, under the command of Him who does all things rightly, might probably furnish me with a watery grave. Perhaps I carried the point too far, in the pleasure which I took in thus seeing myself beaten and bandied by the swelling waters."
May 20, 2013 –
page 350
100% "'To omit, says Stevenson, is the one art in literature: "If I knew how to omit, I should ask no other knowledge."'

Well, Mr. James, funny you should say that..."
May 20, 2013 –
page 390
100% "Between his own and Jehovah's enemies, a David knows no difference; a Catherine of Sienna, panting to stop the warfare among Christians which was the scandal of her epoch, can think of no better method of union among them than a crusade to massacre the Turks."
May 21, 2013 –
page 425
100% "Far better is it for an army to be too savage, too cruel, too barbarous, than to possess too much sentimentality and human reasonableness. If the soldier is to be good for anything as a soldier, he must be the exact opposite of a reasoning and thinking man."
May 21, 2013 –
page 465
100% "The Primal Love "may fitly be compared to Nothing, for it is deeper than any Thing, and is as nothing with respect to all things, foreasmuch as it is not comprehensible by any of them. And because it is nothing respectively, it is therefore free from all things, and is that only good, which a man cannot express or utter what it is."

Pity me: I have just read a whole chapter of this."
May 22, 2013 –
page 500
100% "In delusional insanity, paranoia, as they sometimes call it, we may have a diabolical mysticism, a sort of religious mysticism turned upside down. The same sense of ineffable importance in the smallest events, the same texts and words coming with new meanings, the same voices and visions and leadings and missions, the same controlling by extraneous powers."
May 22, 2013 – Finished Reading
May 23, 2013 – Shelved as: history-and-biography
May 23, 2013 – Shelved as: linguistics-and-philosophy
May 23, 2013 – Shelved as: transcendent-experiences

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Leonard William James gave a useful model of experience, with the subject, the stimulus and the processing. Although there are other models, I find this one helpful in understanding experiences.


Manny So far, I also like it! Though I'm still only on the third lecture.


Leonard Ah, there is still hope...


Manny Having now read about two-thirds of it, I must say that I am less positive. It is too anecdotal, and his criteria for choosing the anecdotes are unclear.


Leonard For the book, the anecdotes illustrate his points and are fine. But since these are his lectures, you're right, they aren't rigorous enough in terms of the empirical method.


Manny Nearly finished... I will have plenty to say in my review :)


Leonard Manny wrote: "Nearly finished... I will have plenty to say in my review :)"

Look forward to it.


Manny Check out Smullyan's essay, if you haven't already done so! It is brilliant, and makes so many of the points James wants to make in a much better way...


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Karen· I never managed to finish this. It has been languishing on my 'will-come-back-to-promise-really-truly-honestly shelf for a couple of years. The repetition just got too much for me. Maybe I should just skip to the end.


Manny I know what you mean. I really had to grit my teeth to get through the chapters on saintliness and mysticism.


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Paul Bryant Great review. I often use my goodreads friends like miners used canaries - check if they get poisoned before i venture forth. or perhaps there's a friendlier analogy - I admire the boldness of some who such as yourself will tackle the craggier ranges of literature and report back; and I am often glad to hear I dodged a bullet. I now realise my own non-review of this book was a way of avoiding actually reading it...


Manny Thank you Paul! I'm afraid this canary is still lying passed out on the floor of its cage...


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Cecily Good point, Paul. This way we get the best of both worlds: enough insight into a book that we can blag about it if we want to, without the inconvenience of actually reading it, unless it really appeals to us!


Warwick Unfortunately I read this too long ago to be able to quote any passages in support of the argument I'm about to make: but I loved it. As you rightly say, psychology was in its infancy then, and I love texts from this period which show intelligent people stumbling around trying to tackle massive psychosocial subjects like this with primitive tools...so much more exciting than cool modern academic studies. The anecdotal approach which bothers you is exactly what I like about it – it's more of a bizarre human tapestry than a scientific study, and all the better for it in my view.


Manny Well, if only he'd kept his text under control I might have felt the same way. But those interminable quoted passages were just too much. I found the chapter on mysticism almost physically painful - there was surely no need to inflict quite as much of that on the poor reader?


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Paul Bryant so what to the mystics actually say? & why are they particularly awful?


Manny It can be quite pleasant to read a couple of paragraphs of people expounding on the Ineffableness of Being and the Vision of God. But forty pages of it...


message 18: by [deleted user] (last edited May 24, 2013 08:40PM) (new)

Thank you, Manny for your review and for your giving attention to this book. I have to say that I love this book because it was life-altering for me. I would not disagree with your criticism of its accuracy, nor would I disagree that it is generally unsound methodology to emphasize extreme cases. But I think James helped me to look at religion in a completely different way. Scales fell from my eyes. In the USA, especially in certain states, we are surrounded by many forms of "extreme" religion. Some of us were raised in it and embarked on long torturous journies out of it at some personal cost.

Moreover, a number of his examples (as I recall) were of people like Pascal, Bunyan and Tolstoy whom I had already read before coming to James. But it's complicated and fairly personal for me, so I think I would like to save my reasons for loving this book (and to conserve my strength to articulate them) for my own prospective review. Well done. You tackle some very impressive books and topics in your reviews, which I always enjoy.


message 19: by Manny (last edited May 25, 2013 01:02AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Manny Thank you Steve, and, as I said, I wished I could have liked this book more. Not all his examples were tedious! But I found the tedious ones VERY tedious, and there were far too many of them.

Thinking about what he says at the end, I maybe do agree with him that people have a strong desire to believe in something larger than themselves, which they can talk to and draw strength from. But I am far from convinced that this is God. It seems to me that something quite similar is going on, for example, when a scientist like Einstein ("a deeply religious atheist", as Helge Kragh calls him in one of his articles) thought about the structure of the universe, or when some Marxists think about history, or, unfortunately, when some Nazis think about the Aryan race. I wish he'd broadened his field of inquiry to consider such cases, and spent less time telling me about the absurd things certain so-called saints did.


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Paul Cockeram The first two criticisms in this otherwise insightful review confuse me. First, a complaint that the book is too long tells me more about the reviewer than the text--namely, that the reviewer lost patience with James. Granted that James got very excited about offering abundant examples to drive home his point, but the examples are the point. Removing them would run counter to his entire purpose here. The second criticism about the lack of data seems to miss a point essential to James' book--namely, that the scientific, rationalist, materialist worldview has nothing to offer a real discussion of religious experience. Otherwise, I am happy to see a fellow reader take such a serious look at this text, and I'm grateful to you for your insights.


Manny Well, I lost patience, but I didn't think it was with James so much as with the people he quoted. I didn't see why many of the passages needed to be so long, and often they felt too similar to each other.

And do you really think he's saying that the scientific worldview has nothing to offer the study of religious experience? He often stresses that he is speaking as a psychologist.


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Moira At the end, I was surprised to see James unequivocally claiming that he thought religious feeling was a good thing, and that its object was some definite spiritual reality.

Yeah, I think he really does think this. WJ is a great writer, but a sorta bad scientist.....altho it's sort of not his fault, given how resolutely unscientific psychology was at the time.


Manny Well, he seemed sincere, but did he change his mind halfway through? He describes many of his twice-born converts and saints as though they are lunatics, and he is only a little kinder to his mystics. I got the impression from his Postscript that I wasn't the only puzzled reader...


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Paul Cockeram I actually lost patience myself with some of the passages, as you say, so I understand your point. But I also came to see their significance to James' argument, not always in expanding upon his points so much as reinforcing them.

As to James' role as psychologist, I think it's more correct to see him as a psychoanalyst, along the same lines as Slavoj Zizek. That is, James certainly discusses the human mind and its processes, but he does so without confining himself to the scientific method, for he is much too wary of the limitations imposed on framing human consciousness through such a materialist worldview. Whereas science can only see consciousness as an object of study, James seems more interested in trying to view the subjective experience of consciousness. I think of our great war writer Tim O'Brien in his landmark collection The Things They Carried, where O'Brien insists that the most important thing about a war story is that it capture what it was like to be there fighting the war, as opposed to more "objective" facts like the body counts or the battle's historic signficiance. Science seems alergic to subjectivity, seeking to eradicate it at every opportunity, whereas James explicitly positions subjectivity as the most significant element of religious experience. That fact turned out to be what I most appreciated and enjoyed about his book.


Manny It's interesting to see how differently we interpreted his remarks about subjective experience! I'm in no way denying the validity of your interpretation, which may well be more correct than mine - but I couldn't help reading him as prefiguring the 20th century revolution in physics, where the role of the observer suddenly became all-important. Bishop Barnes, in Scientific Theory and Religion, has some thought-provoking things to say in this context.


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Lawrence Came aross this title in a New York Times story about Barbara Ehrenreich's new book Living With A Wild God. Enjoyed reading your review. I tend to be more affected by the mystical elements and would probably forgo a rigorous examination of his methodology but it sounds like James certainly sets himself up for one and I will have your perspective in mind if/when I dip into the book. I agree with the commenter who mentioned the value of reviewers like yourself who take the time to write reasoned critiques the rest of us can use in deciding whether to commit our own time and intellectual energy to a book like this one. Along with the examples of titles with similar topics, it is much appreciated!


Manny Well thank you Lawrence! It is obvious that readers have very different reactions to this book, and some people love it, but I think that my take on it is not going to be that unusual if you start from an analytical science/math background...


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Darwin8u Manny, I agree with you BUT still love it: "And Yet it Moves...me?". His psychology and rigor seems a bit simple, but I still just love it.


Manny Well, hard to argue against that...


Philip Cartwright It's worth noting that James's father was something of a Christian mystic; he grew up in that environment. James himself moved away from mysticism in his youth but then was reconciled to it following a spiritual crisis/breakdown. Many of the examples from "twice-born" people are actually disguised accounts of his own experiences.


Darwin8u Philip wrote: "It's worth noting that James's father was something of a Christian mystic; he grew up in that environment. James himself moved away from mysticism in his youth but then was reconciled to it followi..."

His father was a mystic and his mother prayed to elderberries.


Darwin8u Manny wrote: "Well, hard to argue against that..."

Yeah, it is hard to argue with those whose star rankings are based on faith and feeling and not rationality and empiricism. Too damn squishy to push.


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Aaron The sex analogy is not really fair. He does not want to read ABOUT the mystics but read them as they are. Also, BDSM is a particular fetish--simply because someone is into BDSM doesn't mean they know a lot about sex in general. In the hypothetical world you created, we would want to learn about sex from the people who had the most experience with it, in all its forms--and that is precisely what James does in his book.


Manny But are these mystics the people who have the most experience with religion, or just the ones who've had the most extreme experience? That was the question I wanted to suggest. Why do you know God better by sitting alone at the top of a column for 37 years than you would by just quietly and undramatically trying to love and understand the people around you to the best of your abilities?


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Manny wrote; "In the original version, which I read, he has endless, repetitious quotations, often stuffed into footnotes which can go on (literally) for two or three pages. It's worse than Infinite Jest, where at least the footnotes are intentionally annoying and often funny. These are anything but."

So, are you saying that DFW perfected the concept? He certainly did come close, to say the least.


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What I find insufferable about this book is the multitude of testimonials. I suppose there may be distinctions, but with so many, they all started sounding the same.


Manny Yup. I can see why many editions have been edited down.


James I have nothing but admiration for this book. That it consists of the 1902 Gifford Lectures, is part of the attraction. IOW, it takes no account of Freud; though it does take some account of drug-induced states.

I particularly liked WJ’s strong emphasis on ethics. For years now, I have been unable to decide whether or how far I agree with his testing phenomena by their usefulness, or by their purported origin. This book has made me think, and change my mind, and for that I can only be grateful. It is an even-tempered, judicious book; when he advances a thesis, he shows his working. The book is liberal-minded in the very best sense.

I did not find this book a page too long, or tedious in any way. His English style will not be to everyone’s taste, but it was perfect for his subject and purpose. I would recommend this to anyone, regardless of their position on religious matters.


Manny I like his style too, and as I said I think the idea is admirable...


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Ethan Pepin Robert Abzug’s abridged version which cuts the length in half is definitely reccomended to anyone who is intimidated by the length of this. Abzug does an excellent job cutting repetitive material while maintaining cohesion and all of James salient points.


Manny It sounds like he may have improved it. I've got nothing against long books, as long as the space is needed, but here I just didn't feel that was the case.


Farouk Ramzan When exploring the subject perception of religious experience, you cannot use objective measures such as statistics and experiments. James is fundamentally a phenomenologist, which means he assumes the subject's validity over the object. In that case, the empirical method is turned on its head. That is why there is an emphasis on personal anecdotes. Otherwise, James accepts how materialistic science does not recognize religion at all. James is trying to construct a new "science of religion" in which one can objectively view subjective experiences hence the analysis of endless anecdotes.


Manny If you interpret these principles completely, and confine the investigation to what goes on in your own head, then I agree with you - no statistics or experiments are possible. But then you'll never be able to tell anyone about your findings either. As soon as you're looking at what goes on in other people's heads, it's mediated through words and other signs in the material world and becomes another kind of objective data.

Or at least that's how I'd look at it...


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Michael Perkins Farouk's characterization of the book sounds like one many anthropologists might agree with. As one anthropologist connection I have on GR likes to say, "it's not a science." Seems valid.


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Brooke I'm so glad you read and reviewed this! It's quoted in another book I'm reading and I was thinking about adding it, but . . . Probably not! Your review summarizes well.


Manny Maybe I should have read a condensed version or something...


jadon experience by nature is confined “in your own head” — because experience by nature is not objective, he literally said this in the book. religious experience in particular is a very hard feeling to properly convey and nail down into a cohesive and comprehensive explanation/text as to what the actual experience constituted and what it was like. words and the material world interrelate however they also constantly change and shift, so im not really sure how that qualifies as “objective data” in the traditional and empirical sense of the word per se. maybe im being pedantic however.

also, your BDSM sexual experience bit analogy is kind of an odd one to draw, BDSM isn’t a form of extreme and intense sexual desire, BDSM is a fetish that elicits or satiates extreme and intense sexual desire, it is a medium for the feelings that people have expressed in an extreme and sexual manner, these mystics are having these revelatory fashions mainly through alleged divine revelation and/or the consumption of substances, participation in rituals etc. the religious feeling is bestowed upon the seeker, not necessarily expressed.


Manny The problem that experience is in your head is not specific to the study of religious experience. Many branches of psychology constantly have to deal with this. In the end, you are collecting data about what people say and how they behave, otherwise all you can do is study yourself and not communicate your findings.

Oddly enough, I am currently reading the last volume of Proust's A la recherche du temps perdu, a very philosophical book which contains a long gay BDSM scene. Proust explicitly argues that it's not gratuitous: it illustrates how what people desire is in their minds, not in the world.


jadon …it kind of is. mysticism is the heart of all religions, most religions aren’t solely formed off the basis of proofs and reason, they are formed off of revelatory experiences that a seeker has. that’s why in Eastern philosophy in particular, albeit they lay out developed and thorough philosophical frameworks for their spirituality, they emphasize worship and practice above all else, certain concepts and ideas remain hard to grasp (such as say Buddhism’s Indra’s Net or Tathata) without some sort of experience that one can connect to the concept.

yes, the desire can be in one’s mind, but that desire is quenched through action(s) that satiate it, such as being whipped or demeaned within a BDSM fetish. even if what they want isn’t necessarily in the world, they attempt to rectify that desire through the world.


Manny I'm really not trying to knock religions or mysticism. Just the wannabe-but-in-fact-not-at-all scientific way James approaches the subject.


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