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Ringworld by Larry Niven
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it was ok
bookshelves: sci-fi, space, aliens

I’d wanted to read this because I’m a fan of the Halo video games, and I’d heard that it was a big influence on those. I gotta say that I’d have liked it more if the Master Chief would have shown up and started chucking some plasma grenades around.

Set in 2855, human Louis Wu is recruited by an alien named Nessus to go on a hazardous mission to explore a strange structure that rings a distant star. Another alien called Speaker-To-Animals from a warrior race apparently descended from some really tough tomcats is also recruited. A human woman named Teela joins the group almost by accident.

When they get to their destination, they find a giant ring with a habitable inner surface that has an area many times greater than the earth. After an accident strands them on the world, they start exploring to find a way to get their ship back out into space.

This had some really big sci-fi ideas in it, most notably the Ringworld itself. But this is one of those books where the social attitudes of the time it was written have become really painful to read. Because even though it’s supposed to be 2855, the women in this book exist only to: 1) Sleep with Louis. 2) Be good luck charms. 3) Act as ship’s whores on long space flights.

You’ve come a long way, baby!

I generally try to avoid judging a book by the era it was written, but 1970 couldn’t have been this bad, could it? And if so, I’d expect a guy who could come up with concepts this big to have put a little thought into gender roles in 800 years. Plus, while the Ringworld idea is pretty clever, I found the rest of the sci-fi kind of crude and dated. Maybe that’s just because there’s been 40 years of material since it was published, but I didn’t get much enjoyment out of reading this.
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December 15, 2009 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Dan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Dan This is one of those books where I liked the concept a whole lot more than I liked the actual book.


Kemper Dan wrote: "This is one of those books where I liked the concept a whole lot more than I liked the actual book."

Exactly. I should have just written that instead of 6 paragraphs of bitching about it.


message 3: by Dan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Dan Bitching is important. It's what seperates us from the animals.

Back to Ringworld, as I was reading it, I kept thinking how less talk and more violence would have made it much much better.


message 4: by Kemper (last edited Mar 03, 2011 07:04AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kemper I agree that more ultra-violence and less talking would have made for a better book. I've got even more respect for the Halo creators because they read this book and said, "Cool idea, but you know what would make it better? War!"


TK421 Even though I found the book interesting, Master Chief would have definitely made it a better book.


Nate Aww man maybe it's nostalgia talking but I loved this book since I was in high school. And what's wrong with a ships whore?


Kemper Nathan wrote: "Aww man maybe it's nostalgia talking but I loved this book since I was in high school. And what's wrong with a ships whore?"

Maybe it wouldn't have seemed so sexist if there would have been male prostitutes for the ladies, too.


Nate That's the same attitude that got starbuck turned into a girl on that battlestar galactica remake.


Kemper Nathan wrote: "That's the same attitude that got starbuck turned into a girl on that battlestar galactica remake."

Careful, now! There will be no disrespect of the new BSG or Katee Sackhoff Starbuck on one of my reviews!


message 10: by Nate (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nate I'm just saying that dirk bennedict could be sexist and even the ladies liked it.


Kemper Nathan wrote: "I'm just saying that dirk bennedict could be sexist and even the ladies liked it."

Ah. Yeah, but it was the '70s. They were all out of their minds on quaaludes back then.


message 12: by Jim (new)

Jim Okay, I'm going to give away my age here, but I read this in the 70's and back then it really impressed me. I was more caught up in the ringworld itself, including the weather system, etc., than I was with the social commentary on women.

I'm sure it did not age well, as you've explained. But back in the 70's, wow!


Kemper Jim wrote:

Yeah, it may be one that just hasn't aged well. Like I said in the review, I loved the ringworld concept but I just kept getting pulled out of the story when the women were treated like secretaries on an episode of Mad Men.


message 14: by Chip (new) - rated it 4 stars

Chip I am surprised you cared so little for this. I recall it as a classic of te genre.


Kemper Chip wrote: "I am surprised you cared so little for this. I recall it as a classic of te genre."

It just didn't do much for me. Between the sexism and the dated sci-fi stuff, I didn't enjoy it.


message 16: by Nate (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nate It's all part of the fantasy. Sexism seems to go the other way around in the real world.


Petrohawk Read his known space series then the ringworld books, they all relate.


Justin Actually, the Culture series had more of an influence on Halo, if I'm not mistaken (books include Player of Games, Use of Weapons, etc).


Steve It was and still is a great book. Too many worried about offending. It's fiction!


Kemper Steve wrote: "It was and still is a great book. Too many worried about offending. It's fiction!"

Holy shit! It's fiction?!?! I had no idea! I thought a story set hundreds of years in the future with aliens and spaceships and giant rings around stars was non-fiction. And I thought I didn't like it! But you say it's great so I'm obviously wrong about my own opinion.

Wow! I was all upside down on this thing. I'm so glad you set me straight!


message 21: by [deleted user] (new)

Kemper wrote: "Steve wrote: "It was and still is a great book. Too many worried about offending. It's fiction!"

Holy shit! It's fiction?!?! I had no idea! I thought a story set hundreds of years in the future ..."


You would have looked so stupid if it wasn't for him.


message 22: by Trudi (new)

Trudi Kemper wrote: "Yeah, but it was the '70s. They were all out of their minds on quaaludes back then."

That's the only way to explain the clothes. To quote Denis Leary: "Bell bottoms are coming back in style? I don't think so!!! I wore them once, they sucked, I didn't get laid, I'm NOT wearing them again!"


message 23: by Toby (new) - rated it 2 stars

Toby Kemper wrote: "Steve wrote: "It was and still is a great book. Too many worried about offending. It's fiction!"

Holy shit! It's fiction?!?! I had no idea! I thought a story set hundreds of years in the future ..."


If I could like this comment I would.


Kemper Anthony wrote: "You would have looked so stupid if it wasn't for him.

He saved me from myself.


Kemper Tfitoby wrote: "Kemper wrote: "Steve wrote: "It was and still is a great book. Too many worried about offending. It's fiction!"

Holy shit! It's fiction?!?! I had no idea! I thought a story set hundreds of years..."


The way Goodreads has been lately, even if there was a Like button for it, it wouldn't work.


Kemper Trudi wrote: "Kemper wrote: "Yeah, but it was the '70s. They were all out of their minds on quaaludes back then."

That's the only way to explain the clothes. To quote Denis Leary: "Bell bottoms are coming bac..."


I was just a kid but I'm pretty sure my parents put 'ludes in our cereal. Because that's how they all rolled back then.


message 27: by Toby (new) - rated it 2 stars

Toby I believe the term "on fire" could be applied to you right now.


Kemper Tfitoby wrote: "I believe the term "on fire" could be applied to you right now."

Me and Katniss.


message 29: by Trudi (new)

Trudi Kemper wrote: "I'm pretty sure my parents put 'ludes in our cereal ..."

Ludes in the cereal, bourbon in the milk bottle, dry cleaning bags for toys, and no seat belts in cars. Kids these days have no idea just how soft and untested they really are.


message 30: by Toby (new) - rated it 2 stars

Toby Jeez the 70s sounds so hardboiled


message 31: by Kemper (last edited Sep 12, 2012 07:15PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Kemper No helmets while riding bikes, playing lawn darts and high fructose corn syrup in all our food.

Oh yeah, we were stone cold bad asses...


message 32: by Trudi (new)

Trudi Kemper wrote: "playing lawn darts..."

Oh Jesus, I forgot about those. And chemistry sets (with real chemicals)


Kemper Trudi wrote: "Oh Jesus, I forgot about those. And chemistry sets (with real chemicals)"

I had one of those. I built my first meth lab with it.


message 34: by Trudi (new)

Trudi haha ... you and Walt :)


Veronica Teela is absolutely the most stale character. Where's the character development? I guess us ladies don't get personalities in outdated sci fi lit. ;)


Kemper Veronica wrote: "Teela is absolutely the most stale character. Where's the character development? I guess us ladies don't get personalities in outdated sci fi lit. ;)"

Who needs a personality when you can be a good luck charm instead?


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