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@bluiela

22/Half German half japanese (please forgive any of english errors i make)/ Just a random academic validation seeking girl who keeps sane because of makeup,art, anime, music and books

Friendly Reminder: If someone argues that we don’t need Elain’s POV because her actions already tell us what she’s thinking, then they're proving how lazy, shallow, and flat-out not credible they are.

Because this is the same series where, in book one, Feyre:

repeatedly begged Rhys to break the bargain,

told him she hated him,

threw a literal shoe at him,

demanded to be sent back to Spring Court because she believed that was her home,

insisted she didn’t want his company, his presence, or anything to do with him.

If we only judged by her actions, the conclusion would be simple: Feyre wants nothing to do with Rhys. End of story.

Except it wasn’t.

Because we had her point of view.

And that POV is the only reason we understand she was traumatized, defensive, in denial, and already developing complicated feelings she didn’t know how to name yet.

So after reading books one and two after watching Sarah J. Maas explicitly show us how misleading actions can be without internal narration coming into book five and saying “we don’t need a character’s POV to know what they’re thinking” isn’t clever. It just tells me how you're not credible at all.

And honestly? I’m glad those arguments live on that side of the fandom. Every time I see them, it just reinforces how flimsy the foundation is. I don’t even argue anymore, I read it, nod, and move on, because nothing makes me more confident in my ship than watching people argue against it by throwing out the most basic narrative tools the series relies on.

So yeah. Keep making that argument.

It says a lot, just not what you think it does.

The argument that Elain/Lucien is “bad” because Elain said she wants nothing to do with Lucien is genuinely one of the dumbest fandom takes I’ve ever seen.

By that exact same logic, anyone who shipped Feyre and Rhysand during A Court of Thorns and Roses, before the rest of the series was out, would have been called a misogynist.

Let’s remember what canon actually looked like at that time.

Feyre explicitly said she hated Rhys. She wanted nothing to do with him. She saw him as cruel, manipulative, and morally corrupt. Meanwhile, Rhys sat on his ass while she nearly died Under the Mountain. From Feyre’s POV, he did nothing but make things worse.

So if your standard is:

“She said she doesn’t want him, therefore shipping them is wrong, immoral, or anti-woman”

then congratulations you would have been anti-Feysand in book one, and you’d be shaming every woman who saw the setup coming.

And yes, there was setup. Tension. Narrative contrast. Emotional friction. Growth potential. All extremely common romance tropes.

This is not some niche or toxic dynamic, this is how romance is written.

What Ewriel stans are doing now is the same thing: pretending that early-stage resistance, or avoidance automatically means “never happening,” while ignoring the obvious set up because they don’t like the ship.

You cannot disprove Elain/Lucien with canon text. So instead, you moralize it.

You claim it’s misogynistic.

You claim it’s forcing a woman.

You claim it’s disrespecting her autonomy.

If Elain saying “I want nothing to do with Lucien” is your end-all argument, then you are functionally a Feyre/Tamlin shipper in ACOTAR book one, screaming at anyone who noticed the Rhysand setup.

The difference is: some of us actually read romance outside of one series.

This kind of tension and slow development is normal. And pretending otherwise just because you self-insert as Elain and don’t like Lucien is honestly pathetic.

Hope that clears it up.

A very hot take:

People who believe that not liking Elain, finding her boring, or liking other characters (even if they’re men 😱) is somehow a personal attack or misogynistic genuinely NEED to touch grass.

Because at that point, it’s very obvious that a parasocial relationship or extreme self-insert is happening. When people criticize Elain or say they like another character more, it feels personal to them not because it is, but because they’ve attached themselves to her way too deeply.

And this is exactly why the reaction is so unhinged.

When I see people say they hate / dislike / find Nesta, Feyre, or Gwyn boring, I genuinely do not care. Like… okay? That’s your opinion. It’s not that deep. I don’t feel attacked. I don’t feel the need to hunt them down, screenshot them, post them in private spaces, and dogpile them with moral superiority (yea they...do that)

But the second someone says they love Lucien or Azriel more than Elain, or finds Elain boring, or god forbid narratively useless so far 😱, all hell breaks loose. Suddenly you’re misogynistic. Suddenly you’re a bad person, anti women and what not. Suddenly your post is being screenshotted and passed around like you committed a crime.

Let’s be very clear:

The person calling a fictional character boring or useless is NOT the problem.

The problem is the person who thinks that opinion is a personal attack on them and then goes after a real human being for it.

And don’t even get me started on the “you’ll regret it when Elain’s book comes out” argument.

Regret WHAT exactly?

Obviously if there’s a whole ass book centered on a character, I would HOPE it’s interesting and well-written. Nesta was disliked by a LOT of people before her book, and guess what? Her book made people love her. Hopefully the same thing happens with Elain.

But attacking women in real life because they currently find a character boring when there is objectively very little written about her is actually INSANE.

CRAZYYY behavior.

And yes, trolls exist everywhere. Every fandom has misogynistic idiots like we have entire groups of people weaponizing Gwyn’s sexual assault when it suits their agenda, so let’s not pretend this is about morals or protecting women.

This is about people being unable to separate fiction from reality.

Finding a character boring is okay.

Finding a character useless right now is okay.

Liking male characters more is okay.

Harassing, dogpiling, and attacking actual humans over fictional preferences is NOT.

Get a life.

p.s- I don't dislike elain. I do like her and am excited about her character but I'm tired of seeing the antis harass and attack people left and right for not liking elain.

Happy New Year’s Eve to all the lovely people here 🤍✨

I’m so grateful for every single one of you for making this space such a warm, happy place. This fandom has brought me so much comfort and joy (to all my gwynriels, nessians, feysands, emories and eluciens)

As we head into a new year, I’m sending love, happiness, peace, and healing to everyone 🤍✨

Yes, the bullies and trolls will keep doing what they do but we don’t owe them our energy. Block, ignore, and protect your peace.

Here’s to a kinder, happier, drama-free fandom year ahead 🥂✨

So much love to you all 🤍

They treat our arguments the Same Way they treat Canon and they really need to work on their one sided obsession with us:

The anti-Gwynriels seriously need to seek help for the one-sided obsession they’ve developed with us going into the new year.

We’ve all seen it: 20+ posts dumped into our tags, ranting, whining, and spiraling about Gwynriels. It came from the trolls, sure—but watching antis themselves spend this much time talking about us is honestly unhinged. We disagree with opposing takes and debunk them when necessary, but I’ve never seen our side fixate on them the way they fixate on us. It’s embarrassing.

And reading their posts actually exposed something very funny: they treat our arguments exactly the way they treat canon by willfully misinterpreting it or outright ignoring it to prop up their own fanon.

Case in point: the tired “Gwynriels call Azriel an incel/fickle because of lust” meltdown they couldn’t shut up about. What we actually say is painfully clear:

the lust is surface-level, misguided, and not endgame-coded just like every other non-endgame dynamic in the series.

What they hear?

“Incel.”

“Fickle.”

That leap alone should disqualify them from literary analysis. But it perfectly mirrors what they do with the text: twist words, invent meanings, and then argue with the version they made up in their heads.

Honestly, seeing all of this just made me more confident in Gwynriel. Because wow we use logic, pattern recognition, actual canon, and Sarah’s own words and inspirations.

So yeah they can keep spiraling, keep flooding our tags. We’ll keep blocking, muting, and enjoying our side of the fandom. Because if this is the opposition? We’re doing just fine.

14 year old bluiela in the TOG fandom defending rowan + aelin ship because it was just that Obvious but people still insisted that that it would either be dorian +aelin or Chaol +aelin based on numerous illogical and easily disproved reasons:

22 year old bluiela in the acotar fandom defending Gwyn + Azriel because they are just that Obvious but people still insist it's e/riel or Bryceiel based on numerous illogical and easily disproved reasons:

Friendly reminder: if you see people online being excited, confident, or hopeful about Gwyn potentially getting the next book and your immediate reaction is annoyance, disgust, or “cringe” that is a you problem.

That is not a normal or healthy response. That is parasocial behavior.

Someone else’s excitement, confidence based on their own reading of the text and the author’s setup, should not be impacting you emotionally in a negative way. If it is, you need to step back from the fandom and ask yourself why another reader’s confidence feels threatening to you. That level of irritation over fictional predictions is insecurity.

I've seen this for four years now, ever since Silver Flames. Countless E/riel shippers openly admit that they “hate,” “cringe at,” or get irrationally annoyed by Gwynriel readers simply… existing and being excited and confident about our ship. That mindset is toxic, joy-killing, and deeply entitled.

You need help if you think that way...

What’s genuinely funny at this point is that no one in the ACOTAR fandom takes e/riel arguments seriously anymore except other Elriel shippers.

The vast majority of those arguments aren’t even related to the canon text a bit. They’re basically moral posturing, purity-culture rhetoric, and this bizarre insistence that if they don't like something then the other people liking that are misogynist or worse things. The constant reframing of preference as moral superiority shows their level of maturity and mindset.

So yes, I find it genuinely amusing that the only audience left for these takes is an echo chamber of people reassuring each other that they’re right while the rest of the fandom ignores them and simply enjoys their stuff while waiting for the book.

If someone else’s joy ruins your fandom experience, the solution isn’t to police them it’s to log off and reassess your relationship with fiction.

Because sucking the joy out of other people’s excitement doesn’t make you a "kind" "we don't do anything wrong" "perpetual victim"

It just makes you the problem.

E/riel ‘problematic’ according to their own logic.

These past few days, watching this whole nonsensical “Gwynriel is problematic” (not true but we're not going to talk about that). Made me realise that by their own logic their own ship is the most problematic...

Because if we actually look at the text, Elain showed zero interest in anyone except Graysen before her kidnapping. Not Azriel. Nothing. The very first time Elain acknowledges Azriel in any remote way happens after he saves her, when she kisses his cheek. That’s the moment people point to.

So if the claim is that a woman developing feelings, attraction, or emotional awareness toward a man because he saved her is inherently shallow, unhealthy, or “problematic,” then congratulations that argument fits Elain and Azriel far more cleanly. If Elain’s feelings are sparked by the rescue, by the trauma of the incident, by Azriel being her savior in that moment, then by their own rules that’s textbook problematic.

Basically if Elain’s feelings for Azriel originated because of the rescue because he saved her, because of the trauma, because he became associated with safety in that moment then that’s exactly the kind of thing they insist is “problematic.” That’s not a slow burn built on mutual connection, that’s a reaction born out of a single incident. Which they themselves see as problematic in their own words for gwynriel,

If saving a woman and her later noticing you is wrong, then it’s wrong across the board. If it isn’t, then this entire argument collapses. You can’t selectively moralize the same narrative beat depending on which ship you’re emotionally invested in that’s hypocrisy and internalized misogyny.

I will never understand the people who argue that Azriel has surface-level and shallow feelings for Elain right now, and therefore him ending up with Gwyn would somehow be lesser or “not enough,” or that Gwyn deserves better than that. That argument is purity-culture nonsense, and honestly embarrassing. But then these same people go on and ship lucien and Vassa when canonically Lucien longs and yearns for elain (acosf cass pov) so wouldn't that be "not good enough" for vassa? Or is this argument only applicable for Gwyn and the condition is you have to ignore common sense?

I don’t even know how they stretched their logic this far.

Azriel eventually choosing Gwyn would be “bad” because he currently has shallow, misguided, surface-level feelings for Elain.

But Lucien choosing Vassa is perfectly fine even though his feelings for Elain are far deeper, more sincere, and much more entrenched?

By their own logic, Lucien ending up with anyone but Elain should be far worse.

The double standard is so blatant it’s almost funny. The mental gymnastics, the selective reasoning, the total loss of common sense it’s actually impressive. I can’t even laugh out loud.

Antis: Azriel didn't have a 'mate reaction' when he didn't go on to save Gwyn in the Rite or simply didn't throw a temper tantrum."

Also them: "Azriel saved Gwyn so their dynamic is extremely problematic, can't even read."

....saving is problematic...and not saving is "not a mate's reaction"... (Also them shooting on their own leg with this argument because then their own ship is problematic 💀)

Also them: "When Azriel saved Elain oh my god it was so hot… what if Elain was lured, kidnapped, gagged and Azriel was mutilated fighting for their life, it's ABSOLUTELY ROMANTIC AF. And well what if it's the same dynamic for Gwyn and Azriel as well…?? No no, that doesn't count, it only applies to Elain."

Books: Rhys sat on his ass and pretended to look bored when Feyre was being humiliated and tortured because of the situation and the narrative choice made by the author because it was supposed to be Feyre's moment, so Rhys was purposely not involved.

Antis: "You see, if Azriel was Gwyn's mate he would have a visual alpha male Wattpad reaction and go save her in the Rite and not care about how it would ruin ALL THEIR LIVES… and also we’ll completely forget that it’s a deliberate plot choice for the girls just like Feyre… because it was all about the girls so they simply weren’t involved… so basically we’ll ignore common sense."

Goes on to have 90% of their arguments being based on "the author can't do this" "the author can't write about it" "there's no chance in hell any other character is getting a story before my self insert" "shaming readers" "weaponizing someone's SA because obviously the books don't help their case and it's their only last resort" "weaponizing toxic feminism and promoting toxic masculinity" "so much buildup, the buildup isn't even 3 pages .." etc.

Like… sister we get it… obviously you ship Elriel. And honestly you shipping Elriel is making us have more confidence in my ship because if someone interprets the books like this… then I'm glad they don't ship my ship…

E/riels: weaponizing gwyn's SEXUAL ASSAULT to try to desperately validate their ship. (And failing only to prove how low they are willing to fall, because apparently canon, logic, and basic reading comprehension were too difficult, so they went straight to exploiting a survivor’s trauma for ship validation)

Me and sarah j (sex is a positive thing in my book and wrote other SA victims having romantic arcs) maas af:

E/riel: "gwynriel dynamic is problematic"

Me and sarah j mass coz the same dynamic is between feysand, nessian, quinlar and even elain and Azriel (their beloved Elain's kidnapping scenes, oh yeah they romanticize the hell out of it)

Them : "Gwyn is a lightsinger who lured Azriel and manipulated him to feel all those feelings for her and made his shadows love her" obviously the infamous terrifying shadowsinger is just being a victim btw who can even sense the cauldron luring but Gwyneth Berdera is apparently stronger than the cauldron...?

Me af after being forced to see them say Gwyn's SA is not something Sarah would touch (not true ofc) but she'll use the same person to make into a luring LS...?

(Yes babe, in the same breath Gwyn is “too traumatized for romance” AND somehow a seductress mastermind seducing shadows more powerful than their creator (unknowingly or knowingly) like please pick ONE delusion and stand on it, this multiple-choice misogyny is getting embarrassing.)

Me seeing recently all their arguments weaponizing Sexual assault, misogyny and then showing toxic feminism and promoting toxic masculinity knowing damn well cause that's the only thing they can do because obviously the books disprove them easily and this close to the announcement they are insecure and desperate to hate on other women for just existing and preferring a different fictional ship ..

These past couple of weeks, the anti-Gwynriel side of the fandom has genuinely hit a new level of aggressive, unhinged toxicity. And it’s become obvious that their insecurity is sky-high right now especially after BB removed the pinned post. They know an announcement might be coming soon. And you can literally feel the insecurity leaking through.

Like:

“Gwynriels are stupid for interpreting the books differently than I do.”

“Azriel threw his cloak at Gwyn after she was SAed and he didn’t act like a ‘territorial mate on their first meet when she was SAed so their ship is delusional.”

“He passed her to Mor.”

“Gwyn is a SIDE CHARACTER AND NOTHING ELSE NOTHING NOOOTHINGGG.”

“Elain is a side character too but somehow infinitely superior so Gwyn can’t possibly have a book.”

“Anyone who thinks Gwyn has a chance is stupid.”

It’s all just a frantic, desperate meltdown.

They’re also dripping with toxic masculinity when it comes to Lucien and Azriel. Apparently, according to them, men are not allowed to have complicated or prior emotions for a girl , because “if it was real mate feelings, they’d be instantly down bad for their girl!!!” But of course when Feyre and Nesta weren’t instantly “down bad” for their mates, that’s totally fine and acceptable, because men are different in sjm verse.” The toxic masculinity and feminism is...just needs to be studied and someone needs to give them a hobby/life.

Their takes are not only disgusting they’re genuinely embarrassing. They lack basic reading comprehension, they twist scenes beyond recognition. They think Azriel doesn't care of Gwyn’s trauma, but also the trauma of every woman who was raped, attacked, murdered in that temple. That he doesn't care about Nesta Emerie and Gwyn getting kidnapped.

And now they’ve fully crossed boundaries stalking and harassing Yazthebookish, invading her space. That weird, creepy parasocial obsession they have with her (and with Elain) is not normal. It’s not “shipping discourse.” It’s not “defending canon.” It’s harassment. Full-on cyberbullying. And the their side of the fandom applauds it because it aligns with their ship preferences. They’re enabling and rewarding abusive behavior because they think it gives them some imaginary moral high ground.

And the troll who reposts their content in our tags? It’s obvious what they’re doing. They want to force their toxicity into our spaces because they know most of us have them blocked. just look at how they stalk Yaz because they can’t stand that we simply exist without paying attention to them. They need the attention. They need the reaction. They need to feel superior. It’s pathetic.

So if you’re feeling disgusted by that side of the fandom, it’s not just you. Anyone with basic empathy, basic reading comprehension, or basic sense of boundaries would feel the same. Their behavior is rooted in insecurity, jealousy, and this bizarre parasocial worship of Elain and, apparently, Yaz, whom they’ve turned into a focal point of their obsession purely because she doesn’t cater to their delusions.

Stay grounded. They’re exposing themselves more than anything we could ever say.

Something that never fails to amuse me every single time is the sheer hypocrisy from the antis.

Like really according to them, Sarah J. Maas is out here leaking top-secret, “confidential,” fandom-shaking info about who the next ACOTAR main character/ship is… to completely random media outlets. "To soften the blow for the fandom"

But apparently, that same Sarah who is giving such info to random media outlets is keeping her actual irl friends in the dark...

btw whom trusts them enough to be in a private group chat with them, who actually interacts with them somehow wouldn’t tell them anything. Because apparently strangers on the internet are more reliable than the people in her actual life.

And to add Sarah asked her thoughts on the BC and told her about the sprinkled hints..

Like yes she will use random media articles to "soften the blow" "soft launch" but not her actual friends whom she knows interacts with the fandom..?

Make it make sense.

Like if Sarah wanted to “prepare” the fandom, why would she choose Random Publishing over her literal besties? The logic is nonexistent.

The funniest part? If the roles were reversed if her besties even hinted at supporting their ship they’d treat it like holy scripture. Instant confirmation. Suddenly, “Sarah’s best friends know everything!!”

But they don’t support their ship.

Sarah’s Pinterest doesn’t support their ship. (That too after they worked so hard to get all of them🤭)

Nothing that actually connects to Sarah supports their ship.

So now they’ve downgraded themselves to trusting unnamed media articles over the woman’s own friends and her own Pinterest board. That’s how desperate it’s gotten. Their ship is so catastrophically doomed that clinging to random articles feels safer than acknowledging what’s right in front of them.

Like obviously these guys ship elriel....

E/riel side of the fandom mistreating gwynriel/eluciens in fandom weeks they host:

Us: holding them accountable for their immature, toxic and pitiful actions/behaviour.

E/riels: go make your own week then

Us: goes on to make our own week so we can celebrate peacefully without them

Them: they can't co-exist with us, they didn't even participate in our weeks (whines about us making our own week when it's what they claim they wanted..)(insert insolent child whines)

Goes on to stalk our events and tries to create pitiful drama (even steals our names...💀 How sad their lives must be)

bfr they're weeks just bland and they're jealous our events are actually interesting and we're entertained by our stuff so we don't need to stalk people like they do ...

They simply want us to participate and give them content because clearly...our content is that great...while they treat us like shit and can bully us..

Something that has absolutely creeped me out lately and honestly? Weirded me out on a level I didn’t even know fandom drama could reach is how the e/riel side of the fandom knows gwynriel accounts so much... Like. Why do they know us like that? The other day when that troll was doing their little clown show and posting our screenshots, they were talking about me like they know about my posts and content well.

They’re over there like, “Yeah that bluiela, she always posts like this, ughh she's so insert colorful adjectives which I would never stoop low like that to say.."

And I’m just sitting there like… ???

How do you know me? How do you know my posts so well?, I had never seen that account in my life, and even if I had, I definitely didn't remember it ..

I mean I know that they stalked and obsessed over other more popular gwynriel accounts but I never knew they kept tabs on ALL of us...

How do you know all that?

Why do you know all that?

Are you… okay?

like the way they know about more popular gwynriel accounts is on another level, like they go “Yes the commissioner does this, and this other person does that—” Like PLEASE. Why do you have a whole encyclopaedia of our posting habits stored in your brain?

Do these people not have jobs?? Do they not have families?? Plants?? Hobbies?? A window to stare out of?? Anything???

How is your internet funded? In this economy?

It’s actually creepy.

It’s sad. Truly. Deeply sad.

Imagine your life being so uneventful that you become a full-time, unpaid surveillance intern for fandom accounts you claim to hate. Wow.

“Gwynriels also use E/riel commissions without asking or to hate.”

No. We don’t. And when anyone does something like that, we call them out and report them. Because unlike you, we don’t have a parasocial relationship with fictional ships. We actually recognize that shipping characters isn’t some moral or ethical stance it’s just preference.

So when someone acts out of line, we don’t defend them just because they’re a “fellow Gwynriel.” We hold them accountable. And honestly, if someone had done that, you would’ve already plastered screenshots all over like you do by stealing art. Don’t pretend you wouldn’t that’s literally your whole shtick.

So no, we don’t do what you do.

"We are allowed to talk about whatever art I saw on my blog."

Sure. You are allowed to talk about it. Nobody’s stopping you. Is it distasteful, cringy, and pathetic. Yes. But yes you absolutely have the right to talk. And judging by your content, you seem very comfortable marinating in that pathetic energy.

The problem isn’t your opinion. The problem is that you’re stealing artworks from multiple artists just to mock, belittle, and trash them. That’s not “criticism,” that’s art theft, plain and simple. If you want to whine about a ship, do it with your own screenshots and your own effort. Stop taking from artists who actually put time, talent, and love into their work.

Think of it this way if some incel preteen wants to post his weird, embarrassing incel nonsense, fine. That’s his little echo chamber, and his audience is there for it. But the second he starts stealing other people’s creations to fuel his hate-posting, it crosses the line. He’ll get called out. Just like you are now.

“We were just supporting our claims that you stole OUR moment.”

First of all, get a life. Second, that’s still stealing. You can’t justify theft by saying you were “proving a point.”

And third who told you that you own a “moment” where someone asks about someone else’s hobbies? Like, do you seriously think only your ship can have that? By that logic, if my fiancé asks about my hobbies, I’m apparently “stealing an E/riel moment”? The entitlement is insane.

You stole art. You acted immature. You embarrassed yourself trying to justify it. And you gave the rest of us secondhand embarrassment in the process.

“We don’t have to be happy or appreciate the artist for drawing E/riel.”

No one’s asking you to. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to say a single kind thing about it. But what you don’t get to do is steal it, post it without permission, and mock it. That’s harassment. That’s bullying. That’s theft. And that’s where you crossed the line. Multiple times

You don’t have to “appreciate” art that doesn’t fit your preferences. But you sure as hell don’t get to weaponize someone’s work to feed your hate-blogging addiction.

“We didn’t say anything, we just said E/riels shouldn’t commission her.”

That is saying something. That’s called targeted harassment. You’re encouraging people not to support an artist based on the ships they draw and then acting like your hands are clean. Be serious.

And imagine if the situation was reversed if we said, “Don’t commission her because she drew your ship.” You’d all lose your minds. You’d flood dashboards crying “harassment” and “anti behavior.” But when you do it, it’s suddenly okay? The hypocrisy is exhausting.

“All our artworks have comments where people say things like ‘I’m an Elucien shipper, not E/riel etc etc.’”

And? Congratulations, so do we. that’s the internet. Every platform Pinterest, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok has people with different opinions under the same post. You’re not special. We get those comments too.

But here’s the difference: we don’t steal other people’s art to feed our hate posts. We scroll. We move on. You don’t.

So maybe stop pretending you’re fighting for “fandom ethics” when you are the toxicity you claim to hate.

You don’t get to steal art, harass artists.

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