ok the other worst thing about titans is how much they want to manipulate the audience into judging the characters. i don't watch a ton of these things, so i'm not sure how much that is a thing generally, but ... they so blatantly either have characters judge each other, or like let them kill puppies, or whatever the trope is called, so we absolutely know not to interact with them.

i knew they were going to do red hood, but i'm not sure even in the comic red hood is being judged by the other characters or the story? but somehow in the show they decided that we cannot possibly come to a conclusion, we need to be shown how evil jason is and it never works??!! on me anyway.

and then paradoxically they let him invent a drug and crane drug him with it and still he's considered fully liable for everything. even tho he didn't even mastermind this whole thing. like, idk, pls make up your mind about who you are accusing here.

i want to make their jason feel safe and like have adults in his life who give an actual shit. or, have empathy. or something. anything but the incompetent adults he gets to hang with.

Oh yeah, the fundamental problem really is just that the writers aren't very good writers lmao

They tried so hard to go for the edgy, cool, grim superhero theme that almost all the "good" guys end up being deeply unlikable. (Sorry, I'm supposed to be sad that Hank was killed? What?? I would've stuck a bomb in that guy myself, Jesus Christ)

And they're so busy writing all the complicated drama that they forget to write the nice, fun, friendly interactions too, and then you end up having characters say they're like a family when they spent eight solid episodes lying to one another and arguing about it and splitting up.

I don't mind characters having their own opinions and judging the other characters so much, but it does annoy the shit out of me when they flip flop their stances with no good reason - like when you have Dick who didn't bat an eye at Conner killing people while brainwashed but can't fathom that Crane manipulated Jason, or a Starfire that happily takes a murderous Blackfire back to their home but gets mad when Dick arranges to meet Jason at a neutral location. Make it make sense, guys!!

Dawn and Donna know Dick better than Rachel and Kory. Dick’s self destructive pity party is on him, they’re not responsible for him. Gar and Connor however are in danger and need help, they see that as the bigger issue than Dick.

THANK YOU! Someone with reason!

I know this is an old issue, but it still pisses me off that the only ones who actually did something to help Gar and Conner were Donna and Dawn.

I mean, they didn't even knew them that much, but still they were fully aware of the dangers they were going through and the fact that if things went out of hands, they might be a threat to others....which they indeed were.

I don't understand how Rachel and Kory thought that a person trained since childhood how to fight and be a vigilante couldn't handle themselves in prison, what? Dick was fully capable to survive there, he WANTED to be there in the first place (unlike Gar and Conner obviously), and besides he proved that he was able to escape without anyone's help. He was doing alright, no mentally but still.

But not there others boys cuz it was hell get Gar and Conner out of Cadmus' control.

No, Titans!Jason isn't "stupid": an analysis of that chemistry scene by someone who took AP Chem

I'm so tired of seeing posts about how "oh titans made him stupid" because A. that smells like classism and ableism and B. it's simply not correct.

"But Dick said Jason doesn't read!" Yes.... Dick Grayson said that. The same guy who was extremely close to Jason and clearly paid enough attention to him to know things like that (sarcasm).

The show has shown us rather than told us that Jason is highly intelligent, meaning it's shown characters doing things rather than saying that they've done them. There's just no way Jason isn't highly intelligent. For starters, Bruce isn't going to pick someone he would deem unintelligent to be his partner in crime-fighting. Additionally, Jason's been shown to be a nerd. He takes Rose to the theatre and tells her about thespians. He literally quotes Hamilton while fighting Dick in s3. I think Jason's actions are more of a statement about his character than Dick's interpretation.

And if that isn't enough to convince you, let's examine that chemistry scene. If I had a dollar for every "that doesn't count, Crane gave him the formula" comment I saw, I wouldn't have to worry about getting a good job in the future. So yeah, as someone who took AP Chemistry (a college class), allow me to break it down a little for you guys.

This was what we were shown that Jason had. Obviously, there are some of his own notes in here too. I cannot begin to describe how complicated this is. Taking a chemical formula and converting it into an actual compound is very difficult and you absolutely have to know what you're doing because there is a lot of room for error. This is especially true when you consider the fact that Jason isn't just making something that's already been created, he's inventing something new. He's literally creating a new drug guys... that's no easy feat.

And when you zoom in, you can see how complicated this is. He's using the log formula to calculate the pH, he would have to figure out both the chemical and molecular formulas, the bonding structure, calculate the electrons... and you can see that he has some of that written out here. Here's a picture of what some of that process looks like:

This was a paper from the homework I did in AP Chem that I managed to find. Obviously, it's not the same thing but it's the same principles.

And even having the math and the formulas won't guarantee success. Chemistry is an exact science; when mixing these compounds you have to do everything a specific way or it doesn't work.

Also, he literally says that Crane gave him the wrong formula. So that would mean that not only would he had to have calculated everything to make the compound but he would've had to have figured out the rest of the formula too.

So yeah, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Jason would be able to pull this off if he was stupid.