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for anyone questioning if they are intersex: remember to take a second and be gentle with yourself and your body.

for a lot of people, questioning if you are intersex means treating your own body like a specimen. it means reading medical papers that treat people like you like specimens. you have to examine your own body and scrutinize it, often multiple times, often inciting discomfort or pain in yourself to study it. you read medical explainers for parents that gender you every which way and talk about what's needed to "fix" bodies like yours to make it normal. you may have to make medical appointments to get exams that may be invasive, triggering, and ultimately might not even help or end with you being gaslit about your experiences.

so take some time to remember that you are a person. treat your body with softness and humanity. take a nice bath. wrap yourself in some blankets. touch your body, including your genitals, gently and loving and without any intention of making it all make sense. your body doesn't need to make sense! to anyone! it can just be and be loved!

you are not a specimen. you are not a patient. you are a person with a soft animal body that deserves care. the world imposes so much onto intersex people and our bodies. we owe it to ourselves to remind our bodies that they exist beyond diagnoses and diagrams and surgical ""solutions"". no matter what you find out about your body, you are so much more than could ever fit in a medical paper or on an exam table. you are a beautiful person with a beautiful body.

Anonymous asked:

the labris unfortunately has a lot of straight up nazi elements so i think its unusable. wasnt even made by a lesbian too, its a very unfortunate pretext considering how our community has been turned into the terf sandbox

Are.

Are you.

Um.

Bestie.

Are you calling the black triangle used to mark "socially dangerous" women in the holocaust.

Nazi symbolism????????

I. I don't even know what to do with this if I'm being honest.

Like, okay, setting aside the wildness of "it was designed as a gift to the lesbian community by gay men who lived through AIDS in large part because of lesbian activism" being reduced down to "not made by a lesbian" which is. Just. So much.

Do you understand how basic reclamation works?

Stealing things from Nazis and turning them into symbols of anti-nazi queer pride? Is???

Good actually?

We should absolutely be kicking the shit out of nazis and taking all their stuff anyway, but to then remake it from a symbol of our abuse into a symbol of our self determination is. Genuinely a great blessing for society actually.

Mate. Do you get like this about when we (jews) use the star of david? Do you think that ACT-UP was a secretly a nazi group for using the Pink Triangle?

Are you okay????

No One Can Produce Both Sperm and Eggs? Think Again.

[pt: no one can produce both sperm and egg? Think again]

Well, for what could have been the first undeniable documented case, we'd need to think of a world without intersex mutilation to grasp this historically denied reality. We would envision a man, unmutilated, peacefully living as a chimera

But instead, in 1998, we heard about an ovary from his absorbed sister that was removed from within him at just over a year old.

I had hypothesized about the possibility of such occurrences, discussing with others how it may be possible, albeit exceedingly rare. This case serves as an example of what could have been an earlier groundbreaking discovery of one individual maturing into the ability to produce both sperm and eggs. Advancements are commonly hindered by societal biases and bigotry, which slow down genuine discovery and understanding of human complexity.

while having conversations with intersex people, ive noticed a lack of language to discuss medical procedures and "treatments" that are pushed on intersex children, teens, and adults that are not intersex genital mutilation (IGM). so, im proposing a term which can be used so people have a wider term to describe these sorts of pressures and abuse from doctors.

coercive intersex (medical) interventions (CIMI/CII)

[pt: coercive intersex (medical) interventions (CIMI/CII)]

a term for medical procedures or "treatments" which were pushed or forced on intersex people (or their caregivers) without proper time to make their own decision, gain informed consent, or discuss other options.

examples may include surgeries (including "medically necessary" surgeries) where other options were not presented to the patient, IGM, providing hormone replacement therapy (HRT) without discussing alternative HRT options, gonadectomy without the patients full consent, recommendations for cosmetic medical changes such as laser hair removal, etc.

the word "interventions" was chosen due to these medical choices often not "treating" a patient, but rather pushing them to conform to perisex norms.

someone got really mad at me for being pro-pornography so i'd like to be annoying for a little longer:

-there are enormous problems with exploitation in the porn industry that harm and endanger the people within it, and that harm is carried out mostly against women and minorities

-this is Bad

-however the last century of passing laws against pornography hasn't actually helped any of those problems, and what sex workers tend to advocate for is the legitimization of their labor, so that they can then access the same protections and regulations that people in other industries can access

-for instance football players, miners, roofers, and warehouse workers are also exploited and endangered by their professions, have to work long hours, and can end up traumatized and disabled by unregulated and unsafe working conditions. these people are used up and thrown away by powerful bosses they can't individually challenge.

-however because these industries are not de facto illegal to participate in, when these people form unions and demand better working conditions, they can at least fight for their rights.

-sex workers, who engage in heavily stigmatized work that's also often illegal, have little recourse to demand better treatment.

-even if you don't like porn, and especially if you don't like porn, if you care about the women who are exploited in pornography, you need to advocate for the legality of pornography.

-the more illegal the porn industry is, the less safe and fair it is, and people will still be working in it, no matter how illegal it is.

-again: the porn industry should be regulated like any other industry and subject to laws guaranteeing fair compensation for labor, safe working conditions, and legal resources for workers suffering exploitation and abuse.

-once it is legal to do sex work, then women can bring charges against the men who have broken their contracts and abused them.

-and that is why i push back against posts saying that pornography is evil. it is an entertainment product, made by people, to meet an ongoing demand. criminalizing the consumption and production of it may slightly lessen the demand at the incredible cost of endangering everyone involved. and i think that is what's evil.

the phrase “gooner behavior” needs to be obliterated from human speech. the fact that so many folks let anti-porn and anti-sex work dipshits get into their ears to the point that choosing simply to publicly exist in proximity of any expression of outward sexuality is treated as toxically immoral behavior is… frankly fucking sad. the people that want a chaste internet don’t have to socially police us anymore because they tricked you into doing it.

we have multiple unions. the APAG is the first that comes to mind. the porn industry needs societal reeducation so that the harmful stereotypes around porn and sex work, that are so common that people will argue it as irrefutable fact while quoting fiction as their source, can be entirely dismantled. we need full service sex work to be decriminalized so that providers can approach the authorities without fear of legal prosecution. we need our voices to be heard first on the subject - every single time.

When people in more marginalized bodies - particularly fat people, disabled people, transgender and nonbinary people, and people of color - request conversations that grapple with the thornier realities of our lives,which are formed more by other people's behaviors than our own internal self-image, those requests are often roundly rejected by many body positive activists. When fat people open up about our experiences, thinner body positive activists often rewrite these accounts of institutional discrimination and interpersonal abuse as "insecurities," whitewashing the vast differences between our diverging experiences. Fat people who tag photos with #BodyPositive are regularly met with accusations of "glorifying obesity" or "promoting an unhealthy lifestyle." Mainstream social media accounts still post before and after weight loss photos, claiming body positivity while celebrating bodies for looking less fat. The most recognized faces of body positivity, frequently models and actors, are disproportionately white or light-skinned, able-bodied, and either straight size (that is, not plus size) or at the smallest end of plus size. While it may not be an intentional one, for many fat activists, the message is clear: body positivity isn't for us. As a result, fat activists use a variety of terms to describe our work and distinguish it from the body positivity movement's largely interior focus on self-esteem. Some fat activists strive for body neutrality, a viewpoint that holds that bodies should be prized for their function, not their appearance, and that simply feeling impartial about our bodies would represent a significant step forward for those of us whose bodies are most marginalized. Others fight for fat acceptance, which seek to counter anti-fat bias with a tolerance-based model of simply accepting the existence of fat people and ceasing our constant attempts to make fat bodies into thin ones. Some urge us toward body sovereignty, "the concept that each person has the full right to control their own body." Fat activists' frameworks are as varied as fat people ourselves. While these approaches work for many, I describe mine as work for body justice... I yearn for more than neutrality, acceptance and tolerance--all of which strike me as meek pleas to simply stop harming us, rather than asking for help in healing that harm or requesting that each of us unearth and examine our existing biases against fat people. Acceptance is a step forward, but it's a far cry from centering fat people's humanity in our cruel and ceaseless conversations about fat bodies.

Perhaps a slightly contentious take but I'm hoping it can be taken in good faith that I'm sincerely asking a question in order to understand and discuss a nuanced situation with regard to trans-intersex relations.

(Full disclosure that OP is a perisex trans man in the UK. I'd also like to point out for credential reasons I'm an academic queer historian currently studying for a postgraduate degree on historical queer terminology).

[Content warning for discussions of historical transphobia and intersexism in this post. It is also a long post. For much of the post I'm talking about perisex trans experiences when I use the term trans, but recognise that there are also intersex trans people]

I've seen a post recently where a perisex trans person was talking about how their (US) doctor removed references to their transness from their medical record and instead put something along the lines of "hormone disorder" (read: intersex) for the safety of that transgender person. I come from the UK where we don't have the insurance system like the US has - but presumably the doctor did this so their trans patient could continue to access HRT without being flagged up as trans.

The notes of that post were really varied, but one thing kept coming up from intersex people, namely that it was inappropriate for a perisex transgender person to recieve this designation (note: it's unknown if the person specifically assked for this) for safety reasons on a few grounds. E.g. that being designated intersex on medical papers won't necessarily make someone safer, or might make them even less safe. And (rightly) brings up how much intersexism is ignored in the queer community and society in general. To be absolutely 100% clear I don't think in a majority of cases, being labelled intersex incorrectly by your doctor (whether you asked for it or the doctor attempted to do this to "protect" you) is going to help you avoid discrimination or problems. I do think that the intersex people in the notes of that post were right in pointing out that in these times, this is not necessarily the most ideal solution for that perisex trans person.

However, I'm familiar with a lot of trans history in which perisex trans people have had to claim to be intersex to avoid very real persecution, with some success. There are examples of this with individuals from the 18th to the 20th centuries that I'm aware of - and possibly many more.

Part of the problem is that transgender people and intersex people have been, at various points, considered one and the same by the medical establishment and society. Often, both of the above groups were grouped under and referred to by the h-slur (which is primarily associated with intersex people, but sometimes applied to other groups conflated with intersexuality). Transness was historically incorrectly posited to be an intersex variation which happened entirely in the brain (a presupposition which is obviously wrong in the modern day, but this viewpoint prevailed until the late 1960s).

There's three historical trans men I know of who were either presumed intersex or consciously presented themselves as intersex to avoid discrimination. There's likely examples of trans women doing the same, but I'm most familiar with transmasc history.

James Barry was an Irish trans man born in 1789 and lived his life as a man until his death, after which point he requested that his body be buried without inspection in the clothes he died in. This was disregarded by the charwoman who came to attend to his body, who attempted to tell Barry's superiors in the military that he was, in her view, "actually a woman". She had tried to tell Major D. R. McKinnon, who issued Barry's death certificate. But he wouldn't listen to her, instead, he speculated that Barry was intersex instead (note: we have no evidence which points towards this being the case):

(Cw for historical intersexism)

"Amongst other things she said Dr Barry was a female & that I was a pretty doctor not to know this & that she would not like to be attended by me. I informed her that it was none of my business whether Dr Barry was a male or a female – that I thought it as likely he might be neither, viz. an imperfectly developed man... my own impression was that Dr Barry was a [h-slur]"
- Major McKinnon, in a letter

In this case the presupposition of being intersex was done post-mortem, but to me, McKinnon's position that Barry must have been intersex when it was revealed he wasn't a perisex cis man like he thought seems to stem from wishful thinking that he wasn't mistaken about Barry's agab for years and that the only reason he didn't twig Barry was not a perisex cis man was because he must have been intersex. Meaning, to McKinnon at least, it was perfectly acceptable to have not noticed anything unusual about Barry as his physician. Obviously, McKinnon's viewpoints are directly informed by both intersexism and transphobia - and it is not to say *at all* that intersexuality was better recieved than possible transness in this period (both intersexuality and transess were severely frowned upon) - but that on an individual level, McKinnon would have preferred a scenario where Barry was intersex rather than transgender (to use our modern terms) because to him he could justify his ignorance of Barry's agab as being a result of Barry being intersex. If McKinnon viewed Barry as not intersex he would have considered himself to have been tricked or deceived by Barry, which was unfathomable and shameful to most well-to-do British people of the period. In Barry's case - him being presumed intersex post-mortem (when he was likely perisex) spared his memory from being tarnished further. The British Army certainly felt perturbed enough to attempt to seal away his records for the next 100 years to prevent scandal.

Society does not value non-perisex or non-cisgender individuals in this world. Both trans and intersex people are routinely targeted by horrific amounts of bigotry. But that's on a societal level. On an individual level, it's a bit different. You may get a bigot who doesn't really care about intersex people, because they believe that it's just something that happens that can't be helped (with the caveat that they endorse IGM). But that same person may vehemently hate trans people because to them, transness "can be helped" (I.e. they may view being trans as a choice). The same can occur the other way around- a bigot may tolerate trans people if they're transitioning to "correct" themselves, but doesn't tolerate intersex people because they believe the political identity of intersex is invalid and they believe intersex people to be "disordered". Does this make sense? I hope I'm managing to be be clear in that depending on the individual, passing as trans or as intersex might be useful if a certain individual is against one but not the other. It's entirely circumstantial.

To give two more examples of historical perisex trans men, Andrea's Bruce, a Swedish trans man, was born in 1808. His family were tolerant of his masculinity to a degree and he was able to live as a man. In order for the family to justify their "daughter" living as a man, they took him to a doctor and had him declared intersex (note: they used the h-slur in those times). So that fron that point onwards, Bruce's masculinity was not seen as masculinity on a "woman" but as a result of being intersex, which made it more permissible to some (emphasis on *some*). Again, there is a heady mix of transphobia and intersexism at play, but like with Barry's case, the presumption of being intersex spared him from transphobia and harassment he might have experienced without the false diagnosis to back him up. But it goes without saying this did then open him up to intersexism, too.

A final example I know of is Baronet Ewan Forbes of Craigievar, born in 1912. He was a Scottish trans man known for his previously hidden court case in which his right to male primogenture (for the right to inherit the baronetcy) was challenged by his cousin, because Forbes was not a cisgender man. Forbes had transitioned as a young man in Weimar Germany, leaving just as the Nazis began to crack down on queer communities there. By 1952, he was able to re-register his birth as male and marry his wife. A lot of string pulling went on to enable this. His cousin's challenge threatened not only to remove Forbes' right to the baronetcy, but also to make his marriage void (since, if Forbes was declared a woman his marriage to his wife would be illegal) and Forbes' profession as a male doctor would be ended. In 1965 he was able to win his cousin's lawsuit by the skin of his teeth after convincing the judges he was intersex (being a doctor, Forbes was uniquely positioned to argue convincingly he was). Being declared intersex instead of trans was the only way to prevent his life from crumbling down around him. It bears repeating that this in no way suggests intersex people had it easier back then - or that it was safer to be intersex than trans. That's not the case at all. But to some individuals, passing as intersex was the only way to avoid transphobic discrimination.

It's also something that occurs in other queer identities. E.g. I'm bisexual and in some situations, just saying I'm gay is easier than saying I'm bisexual because some people are fine with monosexual gay men and lesbians, but are less fine with bisexual people (see: biphobia and the AIDS crisis). Notwithstanding that I consider myself both gay and bisexual, sometimes passing as a monosexual gay man is preferable to being openly a bisexual man. Not a 1:1 to the trans/intersex relationship I'm talking about in this post, but hopefully you get my point. I can also envision other members of the queer community needing to pass as a gender/sexuality they're not for safety reasons. While I don't know any any examples (if you know any please tell me) but if an intersex person needed to pass as trans in order to avoid intersexism, I'd be 100% fine with that. It'd be correct of me to point out that this would theoretically open them up to transphobia, but if the benefits of avoiding intersexism outweigh the potential risks of transphobia, then I trust that individual to make that judgment for themself.

The point of this post really is that I don't see much discussion of the historical relationship (and conflation) between the trans and intersex communities, which is a real shame because we share so much history. The dearth of trans-intersex discussions and lack of knowledge of our shared history means that people aren't aware of how and why historical trans people had to pass as intersex sometimes (and presumably vice versa, depending on the situation).

Which leads me to wanting to make this post because I feel that some of the arguments against perisex trans people asking for their documents to say "hormone disorder" (or any other medical euphemism for an intersex condition) ignore of the ways in which the trans and intersex communities have long had an intertwined history and should have a strong allyship between them. Some of the backlash against perisex trans people considering this has been unsympathetic to the perisex trans people who feel terrified at the rise in transphobia occurring globally. Like I said at the beginning of this post - I agree doing so would open up said trans people to intersexism and not necessarily save them from all bigotry, but might possibly save them from a big chunk of transphobia. But I do feel some of the responses from intersex people on the post I'm talking about were a bit knee-jerk and while I wouldn't go far as to say were transphobic, they were at the very least a bit dismissive of the reasons why trans people might have been considering doing the action in the first place.

So, to conclude, this leaves me with a few things.

If other members of the queer community can be trusted to know themselves and their needs best if they conclude that passing as a different gender/sexuality might make them safer (even if that brings a risk of experiencing a different kind of bigotry) - then why can't we trust trans people to do the same with (in often very limited senses) passing as intersex? If you wouldn't condemn a bisexual person for passing as gay to avoid biphobia (notwithstanding the risk of homophobia), why would you condemn a trans person for passing as intersex to avoid transphobia (e.g. potential loss of HRT) (notwithstanding risk of intersexism)?

If you believe trans people are the only group who should not pass as another group for safety, why do you believe that? /gq. As I've said, I think it'd be perfectly fine for an intersex person to pass as trans for safety from intersexism if they deemed it necessary (I'd trust their assessment of the situation). If you believe this is fine but the reverse isn't, why is that? /gq.

Additionally, if you believe that trans people should never pass as intersex for any reason (notwithstanding all the reasons I've listed where it has been the only thing shielding a trans person from transphobia) - in what way should we perceive historical trans people who have done so for safety (or had the term intersex retroactively applied to spare the feelings of bigots)? People like Barry, Bruce and Forbes? How should we perceive such people if the practice of trans people passing as intersex for safety is condemned? Do we condemn them also? Or do we take a measured approach and understand that the nuances of their situation (and indeed the situations of many living trans people) demand an unsatisfactory means to a legitimate end? /gq

Genuinely, I ask all of these questions because I want to establish more trans-intersex dialogue about these things and actually explore the ins-and-outs of these situations. I feel like the trans and intersex communities sometimes talk at each other instead of with each other - and I think we have a lot to gain by discussing together on nuanced topics like this! I'm asking in good faith and I really, really hope that has come across. But I'd like to respectfully ask for other trans people and intersex people to weigh in if you'd like. What do you think about any of the issues I've raised here? How do we move forwards as trans and intersex communities together?

If you got this far, thank you for reading this post, I know it turned into a long one.

Okay so, full disclosure on my end: I haven't used this blog in a decade; I barely remember the tonality I was going for. I have had the longest imaginable week, and I'm very tired. I may have misread some key points in your OP.

But I can say a few things with certainty:

1) You have been lied to.

You refer regularly to the death of trans-intersex dialogue, but that is a blinkered approach, especially for a historian with such a depth of knowledge of western queerness. We are undergoing a period of upheaval that makes every subset of the queer alliance more defensive than usual, but the allyship between trans and intersex people is centuries old and will weather this decade without tarnish. Take heart in that.

2) You have been hurt.

In the past handful of years, and I truly mean the last 3 years or so, there has been a shocking and violent animosity between online social spaces for trans people and online social spaces for intersex people. You have clearly been caught in that crossfire and attacked relentlessly. You are pre-apologizing for things that aren't simply normal and acceptable to ask, but necessary, too.

3) In spite of 1 & 2, you are correct.

There are countless situations in which trans people and intersex people can pass for each other for safety. Indeed, the entire concept of queerness as alliance hinges on the fact that we can grant each other safety that would not be possible alone.

What right do I, as an intersex person, have to look at a trans person in life threatening danger and say, "No, you must put yourself at higher risk if you want me to consider you moral and righteous."

I'm not fucking Immanuel Kant over here.

It would be a violation of my obligations to the rest of the queer community to tell people to fucking die because my words are too sacred to save them.

And the reverse is also true. At this moment, in this part of the world, the danger is lesser for adult trans people who hide behind the label of intersex. But that is not true everywhere, and it has not been true across every time period. There have been times and places where choosing transness was safer, even holier, than being intersex, and in those times and those places we likewise owe it to each other as an alliance to open our arms and protect each other.

The intersex people crying out that trans people should die in ignominy rather than save themselves by using any and all means necessary, are intersex people speaking from a position of shocking privilege.

A position where they have never been faced with immediate death.

And good for them! I'm glad that's true!

But fuck them for ever saying that fighting for your life is immoral and unjust. They deserve a solid kick in the shins at least.

And finally, 4.

4) Queerness exists, as a concept, for the explicit and specific purpose of keeping queer people alive long enough for us to fight for our rights to safety and freedom.

Telling trans people to fucking die rather than update their medical records is fundamentally Fed Behaviour. It's transphobic, it's intersexphobic, and hell man, it's even homophobic.

It's acting in direct opposition to the entire goals of the queer rights movement.

It's shameful.

And I get it, I do. It's a natural defensive behaviour. Queer spaces are notoriously hateful of intersex people, and in light of that, it's easy to read everything perisex queer people do in a negative light.

But it's still telling other queer people to go die because they used the "wrong word" to describe themselves.

It's fucking unacceptable.

So I saw someone discussing this on my dash, but it looked like possibly a private conversation or just an offshoot of another conversation, and I didn’t feel right butting in.

But I feel fine with making my own post about the subject, and that subject is:

The Origin of Pan(sexual)

At least, the origin in so far as I lived it. Obviously the term spread for a variety of reasons in a variety of places. This post is a personal testimony of one experience with this political movement, but I think it’s one people need to hear.

Imagine, if you will, The End of the Nineties. I know many of you weren’t there for that (hell, I barely was, I was like apparently eleven at the time of most of this stuff, but I was also being dubiously raised by a rotating assortment of Very Queer People so there’s that at least). 

So any, imagine the era roughly from 1999-2003.

We’ll give you riots until you give us rights was still a rallying call of our people, but the desperate fervour of the AIDS epidemic was beginning to dial down to a more manageable level. New treatments existed, the government wasn’t as out for our blood as before, and the fact of the matter was so many of us were dead and scarred by all that death, burnt out from all that anger. To a certain degree, there was a deep exhaustion in our communities.

Decades of attempted genocide will do that to you.

As well, the systems we had relied on for introducing new queer youth to queer culture has begun to fall apart because there’s just not enough queer elders who are both alive and able to take that task on. Not everywhere, not like there had once been.

Pamphlets and manifestos had always been critical outreach, but now they became some of the only things available, especially in rural and suburban areas where there weren’t large enough populations of queer people to self sustain, or where organizing in a large way was effectively a death sentence in itself. 

Queer groups had always been localized and closed, but now populations were patchy enough that state and national networking through mailing lists were rising to prominence out of necessity.

And with this, there was increased exposure to each other’s different definitions of queer. 

One of the terms that, it turned out, was the least uniformly established was bisexual. There were basically two ways “bi” was used in those days. In some circles, it meant “neither gay nor straight.” If it was analyzed at all, it was generally decided to be a catchall term for anyone else who showed up, a very broad umbrella. For the most part, it just meant “whoever I like.”

And in many other places “bi” meant two. 

It meant men and women. It meant “real” men and women, that is to say, cis ones. 

But the 90s had also given prominence to this previously undefined group of gender nonconforming people who had previously just sort of shrugged when asked their gender. There was a new word on the block, and that word was genderqueer.

The 90s had also given prominence to transsexual/transgender people and began to impress upon the populace that trans women weren’t Super Ultra Gays, but were in fact their own group of people with unique experiences. (Trans men, I am sure you have heard by now, were basically invisible at this point in time: either they were classed as hard butch, or they were stealth and had no association with queerness).

It’s worth noting that the 90s also gave prominence to the inclusion of intersex people, but that’s a subject I’m less well versed in (unfortunately). I never met another intersex person- to my knowledge- during that formative period of my life, and if I did I wouldn’t have known or understood what it meant anyway.

So, as the nineties drew to a close and all these previously indeterminate groups started becoming more well known and more recognized and more seen at all, there was inevitable conflict. 

There were bi people who had never even heard of transness and who were revolted by it in the way cis people always are. There were bi people who had never heard of genderqueerness and insisted that genderqueers were really men/women based on their sex organs. 

There were also bi people who learned, to their alarm, that according to these complete strangers halfway across the country their own identity literally excluded themselves. Or their partners. Or just people they had never even met but still recognized the inherent humanity of.

And worse, that definition of Real Men and Real Women was getting more and more well known as networking continued to expand. 

It was easy for cis gay and lesbian people to understand and include in queer literature that was even then dominated by gay voices, but more importantly, it was easy for Straight people to understand and pass around in their own dangerous and damning ways. 

Especially in places where queer community was patchy and inconsistent, often with gaps where people were dead or had fled, the national scale information was the best thing many of us had.

That meant “bi means 2″ became the dominant interpretation pretty quickly.

So, there were basically two responses to that.

The first was to reclaim and redefine bisexual.

That movement is the one, I think, that has been the most consistent. 

It has also had varying levels of success, given that every year or so we have another rousing round of “well actually, bi means 2 or more.” But by 2016, most people seem to either naturally understand that bi includes trans people, or are open to learning that fact quite quickly.

The second response to the corruption of bi was to break ties with a word that was rapidly being used as a way to seriously hurt people, and make something new. Something that would be self defined rather than reclaimed from medical studies, and that would be clearer and more transparent even in its basic design.

That was basically how pansexual rose to prominence. (Some people say pansexual as a term existed even into the 80s, but I have seen no evidence or firsthand accounts of it before the 90s. Certainly if it did exist in the 80s, then this political context is why it became a Big Deal rather than staying a niche concept).

And, that’s part of why, today, pansexual remains its own unique identity.

Even though at this point bisexual has mostly been cleansed of the horrible debacle that was binarism-and-transphobia-in-the-90s, pansexuality literally is a separate political group from bisexuality. The identity fractured off and became its own unique culture and label.

The old claim that “bi is transphobic” is nonsense today, but that claim came from a very real historical problem. 

The pansexual identity spread as a way to try to combat that problem- and there are people on this very website who will attest to the fact that in the 90s and 00s knowing someone was pan rather than bi was fairly similar to seeing someone wearing a “trans ally” pin today: it marked the potential for a safer relationship.

Whether pansexuality is still “necessary” today, when bisexual is more often accepted as meaning 2+, is irrelevant.

The fact is, pansexuality is here and it’s not going to go anywhere any time soon.

“Pan is biphobic cause it was made to say Bi people excluded trans people” Heres a first hand account of Why.

If that was your takeaway of the life I’ve lived, then please understand that you are the problem here, not me.

I find it suspicious that you never see posts along the lines of "cishet people should stop using the word 'queer', that's a word that only queer people get to use." Not because I think that it's necessarily true, but because that's the normal way social conversations around reclaimed slurs & pejoratives evolve. You rarely hear people on tumblr saying "black people/hispanic people/asian people aren't allowed to say [slur that has been used specifically against them]." Because most of us recognize that that's nonsense, and that you don't get to tell minorities which words they can and can't reclaim.

But tumblr didn't do that with the word 'queer'. It didn't go the usual route of discussion around who can and can't say what. Tumblr just jumped straight into trying to erase the word completely. And that is because the discourse around 'queer' isn't a conversation that evolved naturally within our community. It was purposefully (and successfully) created out of thin air from a sudden, relentless onset of terf propaganda. Terfs who hated having a trans-inclusive umbrella term for our community, who wanted nothing more than to disrupt unity. Well congratu-fucking-lations, it's been disrupted.

2 years is all it took. 2 years of relentless comments and inbox messages from people pretending to be concerned strangers, friendly anons who wanted you to know 'you should maybe not use that word 🙂.' 'a lot of people have trauma around it so maybe use a different word 🙂 a less inclusive word 🙂.' 'queer isn't an identity it's a slur 🙂.' and suddenly our most powerful trans-inclusive umbrella term is blacklisted.

2 years of this and suddenly you had half a generation of lgbtqa+ teens who had been told this over and over again, by friendly trustworthy strangers, to the point it passed the evidence threshold and just became a Belief. because young teens heard it so often from so many 'random’ people, and weren't aware of where it was actually coming from. hint: the discourse around queer has ALWAYS been about disrupting unity

So the thing is, right. The base foundation of TERF thought, from which everything else stems, is:

  • Men are always, inherently, the oppressors and aggressors, continually trying to speak over and dismiss the needs of women.
  • Women are always, unilaterally, the oppressed, hurt, and spoken-over.
  • The patriarchy (defined as "men oppressing women") is THE primary source of oppression, and while other forms may exist, none can ever be as powerful. Patriarchal oppression always trumps.

In the most visible form of TERF-ness, we combine this with "trans women are men, and trans men are women," to get

  • Trans women are the oppressors and aggressors, continually trying to prioritize themselves over cis women.
  • Trans men are victims of the patriarchy and should be forced to detransition to save them from themselves.
  • Being trans is far less of a factor in oppression than being a "man" (because, again, patriarchy trumps all) therefore cis women are, unilaterally, more oppressed than trans women.

But the thing is, you get fun stuff when you take the exact same base TERF principles above, but instead combine them with "trans women are women, and trans men are men".

Because then you get:

  • Trans men are, inherently, the oppressors and aggressors, continually trying to speak over trans women and prioritize their own whims over the needs of trans women. (And those of cis women.)
  • Trans women are automatically, inherently, always more oppressed than trans men, because the oppression of being a woman (who is trans) is far more weighty than the oppression of being trans in general. (Or disabled, or indigenous, or in an intensely bigoted region...)
  • Not only that, since men-over-women is the most powerful factor in oppression, we could possibly further conclude that a trans man is automatically the oppressor in any interaction with a cis woman. (Because, again, while within genders a trans woman may be more oppressed than a cis woman, and a trans man may be more oppressed than a cis man, the trans-ness is not as important as the Patriarchy, so trans men are still 'over' cis women.) For this reason, we should probably exclude trans men from safe spaces.
  • But regardless, trans men definitely must, in any interaction with a trans woman, be the oppressor, aggressor, and speaker-over-er, because men are, always, the oppressors, etc.

If you agree with the last group of bullet points you might wanna think about whether you actually intended to accept the base principles of TERF ideology?

I'm weary of gatekeeping wank that tries to do the whole, "oh, well, gatekeepers are big meanies, but they're still LGBT, so we have to respect them, uwu!"

No. I'm putting my foot down. If you're going to be the Gay Police and try to define other folks' identities for them, well, then, the queer community has a protocol on what to do with cops.

Fuck off or get the brick.

Anyway, some people off this hellsite suggested that the platform might be in recovery, so I thought I would swing by and check it out.

Alas, it is exactly as much a vile cesspool of bigots using the shroud of “no sex on tumblr” to hide their violent sexual exploitation of queer youth, and then calling anyone who actually seeks to give queer youth a safe place to grow into queer adults “the real problem”

It’s all just DARVO and Swerf-n-Terf. It’s rape cults and bigots given infinite platforms, and somehow.

Some fucking how, it has become so normalized and acceptable, that people are now reporting it as “over” on other sites, because much like you cannot taste your own tongue, when your entire mouth ahs been filled with shit putrid bullshit for a decade, you stop noticing the stink.

So, my ass is ollying right tf back out. This was a fucking mistake.

Live and learn, I guess.

So, about that flag...

Not to start a Discourse Riot or anything, but the entire lesbian flag debacle? Like, literally the whole entire thing?

It’s all a terf thing.

All of it. Not just the labrys flag. Not just the lipstick flag. Not just the butch flag. The entire fact that we’ve been trapped discussing a fucking flag design for multiple years and it’s literally tearing our community apart at the seams benefits one group and one group only:

TERFs.

Note how bi men and bi women use the same flag. Note how ace men and ace women use the same flag.

Note how trans men and trans women, the literal people for whom gender is the defining issue of queerness, the people for whom a gendered division of flag politics could actually, arguably be considered a real issue, use. The same. Flag.

Note how the first lesbian flag is now a TERF symbol.

Note how every subsequent lesbian flag has all the same flaws, which cause it to realistically only be possible for the design to be re-created by large companies rather than independent queer creators on any kind of significant scale, forcibly excising actually poverty-level queers from participating in anti-capitalist revolutionary praxis.

Note how the profusion of lesbian flag designs has been used as a tool to fracture queer solidarity and further feed into the increasing and almost entirely TERF-motivated and TERF-empowering belief that lesbians are somehow Separate and Especially Hated by the rest of the queer coalition.

Now, this doesn’t mean that every person who participates in lesbian flag discourse is a terf or everyone who designs lesbian flags is a terf or whatever. Don’t get your heads that far up your asses.

But really take a step back here.

Really think about this entire shitshow from a greater perspective.

Who benefits from this?

Not even straight people are particularly empowered by this, or at least, no moreso than they are by any kind of queer fracturing.

But TERFs? Oh yeah, TERFs get a HUGE power boost by isolating lesbians from the rest of the queer community and turning them into an easily targeted and abused population.

Literally step one in indoctrinating someone into a cult is to fucking isolate them from their greater support systems, for fucks sakes.

And this whole, “look how much all the other queers hate you! They’re just as bad as the everyone else! They won’t even give you a flag!” shit?

It 100% isolates lesbians from the queer community and makes them accessible to TERF indoctrination.

So, how do we solve this problem?

Well, in my personal opinion, the obvious solution is to fucking eliminate all TERFs on sight by silencing them until they actually fucking learn to be decent human beings, and re-claim the Actual Historical Lesbian Flag from their disgusting, bigoted, abusive hands.

It’s a good flag, Brett.

  • An image of a puppy, holding a labrys flag. The dog is also wearing a first place ribbon that is rainbow colored.

I mean, really, look at that flag. What did TERFs ever do to deserve a flag that features such a beautifully designed melding of yonic and phallic feminine symbolism? That is so unrepentantly destructive towards societal norms? They’re such fetishistic, conservative shitheads.

But, like, listen. This is just an idea.

The real fucking thesis statement here is that this entire fucking flag debate is a fucking TERF propaganda piece.

I am losing my mind over the fact that no one ever seems willing to acknowledge this, we all just keep barreling forward in making it even harder and harder for independent queer creators to actually integrate lesbians into our work, and making it easier and easier for TERFs to isolate lesbians from the queer community and turn them into more fucking TERF shitheads.

OP explaining how the lesbian flag is a terf conspiracy designed to *checks notes* indoctrinate women into our cult, prevent anti-capitalist revolution, and force small business owners and artists into poverty 🤡

Me: Actually, a lot of the controversy surrounding the multiple lesbian flag designs is oddly beneficial to TERFs at the expense of every other lesbian on earth. Should we not seek to uplift all lesbians, not just the bigoted ones?

This clown: Wow can’t believe you think all lesbians are evil.

Me: Where tho

Anonymous asked:

Lmao Terfies are big maaad 😂🤡

In fairness, TERFs are always mad.

It's a critical part of how their cult works.

Indeed, it's a critical part of how most modern cults work, because it's so disgustingly effective and, now, easier than ever.

That ease ties to a lot of things around capitalism and modern communications technology where you're not allowed to exist in a small, community space wher eyou can engage with others as people, you are required to have everything you do be in global broadcast at all times. Because if you exist in a controlled space, you might not go completely bonkers from it, which might lead you to not produce a endless barrage of content that platform holders can monetize.

But the effectiveness is, unfortunately, just an inborn aspect of the human brain. If you can trigger a threat response in the audience, you can get them to do things that would normally never be acceptable to them.

If you can keep that threat response going for an extended period, you can give them time to justify it to themselves, though due to the threat response itself, those justifications will necessarily be absolute nonsense. It won't matter, though, because the justifications will allow the audience a sense of control, which eases the threat response.

This causes the brain to naturally conclude "well, wild justifications of my actions made the threat stop before, I will just do it again." And now, all you have to do is repeat that process a handful of times, and they'll begin self-policing.

Or, in the words of more formal cult researchers, "In order to maintain cult members in a state which is supposedly pure and free from contamination by the evil world, they are taught to cultivate an antagonistic and resistant attitude towards any doctrine or person contradicting the cult’s views."

And then you end up with Marjorie T. Green.

Or you end up with an entire movement of people who call themselves "anti-child sexual abuse" go around sexually assaulting children as a punishment for writing the wrong kind of short story.

People who are engaging in such openly abhorrent behaviour that it's beyond reason.

Because their reasoning was, quite literally, turned off by the cult manipulators who sought to induce and profit from panic.

Anonymous asked:

Miss your insights and still appreciate the times you answered my questions or vents. I hope you’re staying safe and well.

I lost my job and home.

Homelessness is not better in 2021 than it was in 1996.

Safe is relative though. I didn’t catch the plague, for example, which is great because I am very much in the highest risk category haha

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