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Guardian's Vigil

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Kedreeva, She/They, Ace, 40. If you need someone to talk to, you've found me. You've found shelter where I keep vigil for those who need a solid wing under which to rest. Welcome. This is a personal blog with a lot of fandom stuff.

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Peafowl Masterpost - please look for the answer to your peafowl question before sending an ask, or I will just link you again. I love answering questions, but many I get asked repeatedly despite the answer being readily available.

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Since it's come to light that they're going to be lowering support for Tumblr, I'm letting you know that I exist on other social sites already, as backups.

I will be on Tumblr until the lights turn off, but if things do go south here and the doors close, these are the other places I can be found. I intend to wait and see how it falls out, and where the communities I'm in go, if anyhere. Or if Tumblr just manages to survive, I'll just keep being here until the end.

My other socials are below the cut.

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you could just make an absolute nightmare amount of creme brulee with the yolks and meringue cookies with the whites lol

I've never had creme brulee but it seems like it's made by Burning Things and/or Toasting Things, boh of which are illegal (to me).

I'm quite happy making ridiculous amounts of deviled eggs, tbh. I just really like deviled eggs, and the therapeutic repetition of peeling dozens of hard boiled while watching a movie cannot be argued (for me). Plus, since i'm picky about the whites looking nice, Bug gets a bonus bowl of mashed whites to gobble and slorp.

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Crème brûlée is a set custard that you melt the sugar on top of- but you can do that like. Any way you could melt sugar! You can just stick it under a broiler or melt sugar and pour it on. OR, just... don't melt the sugar, straight up flanning it! Dont bother with the sugar! You can make a set custard then pour maple syrup over it, that's pretty good! Ice cream is basically just frozen custard as well.

I've never had devilled eggs, though. What are they like? What spices devil them?

It's basically a hard boiled egg where you've removed the yolk, mixed the yolk with some other ingredients (mustard at least, usually mayo, and then maybe other stuff too) into a paste, and filled in the space where the yolk used to be with the new paste. Often it's garnished with other stuff on top after that. Your average deviled chicken egg looks like this:

I don't know if other people use other spices, but when I do it, I hard boil the eggs (for quail, bring to boil, add eggs for 6 minutes, remove whole pot from heat w/o dumping water, run under small stream of cold water for ~10 minutes). Then I peel and cut them all in half, removing the yolks to a separate bowl. The whites get laid out bowl-side-up in a 9x11" pan. I always make extra eggs, so I can toss (to the birds) whites that don't look pretty enough, but if you're just eating them at home, you don't have to do this. BUT. You will have less filling per egg if you don't, and I love deviled eggs with lots of filling. You can always make some potato, egg, or pasta salad alongside the deviled eggs, and add the extra whites to those.

For the yolk filling, I mix the yolks with mayo, dijon mustard (can use plain mustard + vinegar in a pinch, the mustard is one of the things that makes an egg "deviled" because it's spicy), a little pickle juice (to make the filling smoother/looser but not goopy), and then lowry's seasoned salt (I'm not sure what is in this, and it's not something I saw in other recipes, but it's really good on eggs) and regular salt. You will (probably) add paprika to the top, but you can also add it to the mix, I do. The amounts when I do it are measured by my heart, but it's more mayo than mustard. You want the insides to be slightly looser than spreadable margarin or peanut butter, like a smooth frosting, so you can pipe it easily. Add to a sandwich baggie (or if you have frosting bags + tips go for it) and cut the corner small, and then fill the eggs. You can fill them however you want, but I stick the tip deep into the egg and let it smoosh out around the tip, lift, smoosh, lift smoosh. You should get a fairly clean fill that looks good

If you don't stick it down in, the filling may not stick to the egg and come back out with the baggie tip.

This is what they look like too loose (first photo) or too firm (second):

You can also see relish chunks in the second, I don't like the texture. People make them different all over, putting different stuff in them but I like mine simple. They so garnish them differently; paprika sprinkled over the top is most common around me, but people put all sorts of stuff on them

And if you wanna get fancy, you can get some cheap piping tips and do fancier looking fills

And there's other variations, like cutting them different, or even deep frying them!

Also if I ever need just egg whites, I will poach the yolks in a pan, make deviled eggs filling, and spread it on crackers. VERY tasty use of yolks.

So yeah! lots of cool ways to make them, and they're pretty tasty. I prefer the quail eggs deviled because they're bite sized so it's cleaner to eat them, and the white-to-yolk ratio is better (you can see in some of these there's not a lot of filling..... but the filling is the best part imo....).

Ah. What's the mouthfeel like on it? I'm not that big a fan of hardboiled eggs, due to the graininess, but is this less grainy?

It's generally less grainy because of the mashing and the fat added to it. Adding on that I really like to put a little bit of pickle juice in my filling bc I like the pickle taste but not the texture

@ospreyonthemoon I agree it's less grainy, but I also want to say that quail egg yolks in general are a LOT smoother when hard boiled than chicken eggs, even with nothing done to them. It's an exceptionally silky yolk when hard boiled, and the main difference I tell people who ask. They don't really taste any different than chicken eggs, but the nutritional profile is a bit denser and the yolks are smoother hard boiled. Adding fat/oil to it and whipping it/mashing it into a paste only adds to that.

@raygender exact same reason I add the juice, and not relish. Cannot stand little Things in my smooth texture. That's NOT supposed to be there.

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Post Upside Down Eddie who is one foot in grave but still makes sure that Steve takes care of himself while taking care of him. He makes him change his own bandages - “You tortured me, so now it's your turn!”. He promises not to die while Steve takes an hours' nap. He threatens to refuse food unless he sees Steve eat a proper meal first. He even gets Dustin to support him, which the boy of course does, and Steve stands no chance against the two of them together.

Steve is deeply confused because he is not used to people actually caring about him.

I’ve noticed some posts around about how you can’t romanticize your life during a fascist regime and while I deeply sympathize with this sentiment, I want you to try to understand that’s what they want you to believe.

Fascism thrives best in the cesspool of hopelessness. They want us so confused and hopeless that we give in. When you give in, you don’t fight back.

If you wait for life to look good to do the things that bring you joy; life will still be bad - you will just have less joy.

As someone who has struggled with my mental health a lot for the last thirty years, I know this struggle firsthand. And changing this belief system - the one where you spend all of your time expecting bad things so you won’t be surprised when they happen - it’s the hardest work that I have ever done. And I’m not perfect; I still have setbacks. I still experience really real fears about the state of the world and the US, in particular, because that’s where I live.

But I made a vow to myself that I will not let the choices of others ruin my life. When I made that vow, I was thinking of my parents - but it applies to the state of the government right now, too.

There are still flowers in my garden, and ripe tomatoes, and it’s almost pick-your-own apples season, and I have plans with my friends to go to as many cemetery ghost walks as we can find this October.

I still deserve to live. I still deserve to laugh. I still deserve to love. I still deserve to be as happy as I can be.

And you do, too.

Dan Savage.

*gestures broadly at the resistance movements in europe during the last reich*

“Where there's hope, there's life. It fills us with fresh courage and makes us strong again.”

— The Diary of a Young Girl, Anne Frank

“One is responsible to life: It is the small beacon in that terrifying darkness from which we come and to which we shall return. One must negotiate this passage as nobly as possible, for the sake of those who are coming after us.”

— The Fire Next Time, James Baldwin

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Anonymous asked:

you could just make an absolute nightmare amount of creme brulee with the yolks and meringue cookies with the whites lol

I've never had creme brulee but it seems like it's made by Burning Things and/or Toasting Things, boh of which are illegal (to me).

I'm quite happy making ridiculous amounts of deviled eggs, tbh. I just really like deviled eggs, and the therapeutic repetition of peeling dozens of hard boiled while watching a movie cannot be argued (for me). Plus, since i'm picky about the whites looking nice, Bug gets a bonus bowl of mashed whites to gobble and slorp.

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Crème brûlée is a set custard that you melt the sugar on top of- but you can do that like. Any way you could melt sugar! You can just stick it under a broiler or melt sugar and pour it on. OR, just... don't melt the sugar, straight up flanning it! Dont bother with the sugar! You can make a set custard then pour maple syrup over it, that's pretty good! Ice cream is basically just frozen custard as well.

I've never had devilled eggs, though. What are they like? What spices devil them?

It's basically a hard boiled egg where you've removed the yolk, mixed the yolk with some other ingredients (mustard at least, usually mayo, and then maybe other stuff too) into a paste, and filled in the space where the yolk used to be with the new paste. Often it's garnished with other stuff on top after that. Your average deviled chicken egg looks like this:

I don't know if other people use other spices, but when I do it, I hard boil the eggs (for quail, bring to boil, add eggs for 6 minutes, remove whole pot from heat w/o dumping water, run under small stream of cold water for ~10 minutes). Then I peel and cut them all in half, removing the yolks to a separate bowl. The whites get laid out bowl-side-up in a 9x11" pan. I always make extra eggs, so I can toss (to the birds) whites that don't look pretty enough, but if you're just eating them at home, you don't have to do this. BUT. You will have less filling per egg if you don't, and I love deviled eggs with lots of filling. You can always make some potato, egg, or pasta salad alongside the deviled eggs, and add the extra whites to those.

For the yolk filling, I mix the yolks with mayo, dijon mustard (can use plain mustard + vinegar in a pinch, the mustard is one of the things that makes an egg "deviled" because it's spicy), a little pickle juice (to make the filling smoother/looser but not goopy), and then lowry's seasoned salt (I'm not sure what is in this, and it's not something I saw in other recipes, but it's really good on eggs) and regular salt. You will (probably) add paprika to the top, but you can also add it to the mix, I do. The amounts when I do it are measured by my heart, but it's more mayo than mustard. You want the insides to be slightly looser than spreadable margarin or peanut butter, like a smooth frosting, so you can pipe it easily. Add to a sandwich baggie (or if you have frosting bags + tips go for it) and cut the corner small, and then fill the eggs. You can fill them however you want, but I stick the tip deep into the egg and let it smoosh out around the tip, lift, smoosh, lift smoosh. You should get a fairly clean fill that looks good

If you don't stick it down in, the filling may not stick to the egg and come back out with the baggie tip.

This is what they look like too loose (first photo) or too firm (second):

You can also see relish chunks in the second, I don't like the texture. People make them different all over, putting different stuff in them but I like mine simple. They so garnish them differently; paprika sprinkled over the top is most common around me, but people put all sorts of stuff on them

And if you wanna get fancy, you can get some cheap piping tips and do fancier looking fills

And there's other variations, like cutting them different, or even deep frying them!

Also if I ever need just egg whites, I will poach the yolks in a pan, make deviled eggs filling, and spread it on crackers. VERY tasty use of yolks.

So yeah! lots of cool ways to make them, and they're pretty tasty. I prefer the quail eggs deviled because they're bite sized so it's cleaner to eat them, and the white-to-yolk ratio is better (you can see in some of these there's not a lot of filling..... but the filling is the best part imo....).

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Despite it all

Fandom: Stranger Things

Characters: Steve/Eddie (pre-slash), Nancy/Jonathan, Robin

Summary: They all gather at Steve's. Steve's nervous about it.

A/N: Please god bring my family back together.

Words: 1.9k

Steve isn’t sure if any of them realizes how much of a front he’s putting up. How strange it is, seeing them all in his living room, and as he forces himself to stay absolutely still where he’s sprawled out on the couch, he doesn’t know if he’s doing it out of excitement or nerves. It’s kind of stupid, being nervous of people you know and have saved the world with sitting in your living room.

Eddie’s pretending too. He can tell. He’s much better at acting natural, maybe because his nervous energy translates much easier into something restless which can almost be mistaken for curiosity. Because why would Eddie Munson care about what movies Steve’s parents have lined up along the TV mostly for show, or about why one of the pictures on the fridge has someone cut out of it at the far left?

“An uncle, you say?” He’s leaning closer to the fridge. Steve can see him from where he’s laying, despite the low lighting.

So, i know you're the go to expert on peafowl. But is there a go to expert on quail? Do people look into quail genetics or is this another case of it being a rather neglected subject?

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So. Yes and no. There ARE actual, scientific, quail geneticists. Quail are used in research, and their gene mutations are actually mapped! We know which chromosome and upon which locus the genes reside, the genes have scientific names, and we know what processes they affect in the body.

There are also a lot of laypeople claiming to be experts, that still say things like "pharaoh base" and "fawn enhanced" which is tech bro language for genetics. Unfortunately, these are the people largely accessible by most people, and is where most people are getting their genetics knowledge about quail. Translating from these people is a headache, but possible if you learn some about actual genetics first. When pressed, some of them even know the actual genetics, and may think they're making things easier by trying to "dumb it down" for the masses, but honestly all that does is make it more difficult to learn, because people then become reliant on those people for info, rather than being able to take the correct language out and learn for themselves on the side.

So yes! there are actual real experts! no they are not generally interacting on social media. yes some of the ~influencers~ know what they're talking about and choose not to influence things in that direction and so no, I have not found any of them that I actually like enough to recommend them. The closest I could come to that is Bre Patz of Pips n' Chicks, who has a section of her website dedicated to quail genetics. she is not a web designer, and it's difficult to find the updated info because her site is split into "the old site with outdated/minimal info" and "the new site with good info that cannot be navigated because she quit halfway through making it??? or something??"

So that's fun!!

Thoughts on the ginger coturnix quail morph? There’s a line I’m eyeing that’s celadon with roux, ginger, pansy and sparkly mixed possibilities as hatch eggs. (On fawn base I think?)

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It's a sex linked recessive like roux. SLB roux, and ginger are alleles, and there's an order of dominance involved in phenotype expression (SLB > roux > ginger) meaning SLB and roux males can carry ginger silently. I don't deal with it personally so that's kinda where my knowledge ends. As far as I know, there are no genetic issues with ginger.

Celadon is the one that most people get wrong. There's a LOT of incorrect info being parroted about it.

It DOES NOT turn the eggs blue. It removes the outer coating of protoporphyrin (the dark spotting and base coat), revealing the color of the shell. But if you want nice blue eggs, you are gonna be working for them constantly. You CAN line breed to get all birds that lay nice blue, but it takes generations. What you get from a breeder won't likely be that- they will (hopefully) select the nicest blue ones to send, but that doesn't mean their line is throwing that color consistently. Celadons are the hardest ones to keep a nice line for, because you're selecting for everything you'd normally have to select for (health, temperament, type, size, color, etc) and adding in the egg factor.

You're gonna hear a lot of people talk about "bases" and your going to have to rewire your brain to understand what they're talking about is pattern. Patterns can appear in multiple colors. Pattern is how the color is displayed, the shapes of the color. Fawn is a pattern. Sparkly is a pattern. I'm pretty sure pansy is a pattern (I don't know much about pansy.... It could be a morph, which is a phenotype name not necessarily a gene name... There are also two kinds of pansy and I don't care enough about them to find out what the difference is for sure but I think one is a gene and one is a multi-gene morph... you might want to ask which it is before getting them, because there's a big difference between introducing one gene and introducing multiple genes together). There are pattern mutations and color mutations. A "base" when referring to phenotype isn't a thing. People are always talking about a color or a pattern when they say base.

This is a REALLY IMPORTANT thing to rewire your brain about. Because you're GOING to see people who don't know what they're talking about yammering about bases, and it's going to be REALLY CONFUSING compared to just calling it a fucking pattern, or talking about the genes themselves. "fawn base" is meaningless. Het fawn tells you the bird has one copy of fawn. Homo fawn tells you it has two copies. Understanding it's a pattern and not a color means you will understand it can come in other colors. Understanding it's a pattern and not a color means you will understand other patterns can interact with and change it. Knowing sparkly and fawn are both patterns makes it easier to understand that the sparkly pattern is changing the fawn pattern, but that the color is not affected. Understanding that fee is a COLOR not a PATTERN (and what the color DOES, which is reduce/eliminate most reds in the pattern, possibly yellows as well in homo form) will help you understand why a fawn bird:

turns into this when fee is added:

That's still a fawn pattern, and you can see the similarity. But it has no reds because the fee eliminates them. It's not a "base" it's just a pattern.

Patterns can also interact and co-express!

here's the fawn pattern interacting with the sparkly pattern:

That's not "sparkly on a fawn base" it's just a co-expression of two different patterns.

It seems pretty obvious in these two examples, because they all LOOK like fawn. Describing it as a "base" might seem to make sense looking at those two examples. Describing it as a base makes way less sense when you know this is also fawn (I think):

Now you're up shit creek without a paddle, because what the fuck is that, it doesn't look at all like the other fawns. But understanding that this is homozygous sparkly fawn, and understanding that both are patterns and that this is what sparkly does, will help you parse what's going on when you look at the birds. This is also sparkly, but not fawn, and also isn't EB:

This is EB!

And while there's enough of a difference to be able to tell, talking about fawn as a "base" like it's a foundation is. kind of meaningless in the end. It's actually SO meaningless a term that you're ALSO going to hear things like "fawn enhanced." Which is another (imo stupid) phrase that shouldn't exist, that just means the bird also has signs of having fawn genes. EB can be "fawn enhanced" and it is the most pretentious way of saying the bird also has fawn genes.

I don't bother trying to argue with anyone in the quail groups about their language use. But it's needlessly confusing, imo, and understanding why is important to actually understanding what's going on compared to trying to memorize practical knowledge.

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I recently had pickled eggs, and they were surprisingly good! I feel like the process should be the same for quail eggs, right?

Yep! I say, while not sure what process some people use.

There is no safe, approved way to make shelf-stable pickled eggs at home.

I just wanted to throw that out there because a lot of people are gonna tell you they do it, but the USDA has not found/approved any way to safely do this in a way that protects against botulism. Therefore pickled eggs at HOME are gonna be like doing fridge pickles. Make the brine, boil and peel the eggs (check for defects, make sure NONE of them have holes to the yolk), combine, and fridge. Quail eggs pickle well enough in about a week (this is all the longer I can keep myself from eating them....). I just made them the same as I make dill pickles since I know I can eat that flavor, and they were REALLY GOOD. Even my neighbors who were super skeptical took a jar home to eat and really enjoyed them.

Learn from my mistakes: Fish them out with a SPOON, or TONGS, not a fork, do NOT stab them. You'll get gunk in the brine and they will look gross after a day.

Double check my bad habits before replicating: If the brine is clean, I normally reuse it a couple times before ditching it (meaning I just add more eggs when the first ones are gone). I'm not sure if that's okay to do or not but so far it seems to work fine if it's just short-term use. The first batch of eggs supposedly keep for a few weeks, so I use the original "expiration" date as my ditch date.

General advice: learn to hard boil quail eggs appropriately before trying to pickle them. The texture changes between fresh hard boiled and pickled, and overcooking them is a nightmare of texture. I boil mine like so: bring water to boil, add eggs (listen to the delightful popping noises as the shells rapidly expand in the heat and pop away from the membrane, ensuring clean peeling later!), boil for 6 minutes, remove from heat and run under a thin stream of cold water for ~10 minutes (do not dump the hot water, let it just cool in the stream of water). And less than 6 minutes and you'll start to see softer yolks which is good for eating them immediately but not good for pickling.

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I'm honestly a fiend for eggs, and I've been restricting myself because of chicken egg prices, which breaks my little heart. I've been thinking about quail. How many do I need to cause that kind of egg problem which is a problem I'd love to have?

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they each lay an egg a day every day, provided you're feeding them right and give them 14 hours of light a day. So. however many eggs you want per day, that's how many hens you should have. Plus a few extra in case someone's slacking. I currently have ~50 breeders and 20-25 extra hens that just haven't sold yet, so I'm getting around 70 eggs a day. I drop the light under 14 hours october to new years, to let them molt and rest, so I don't get eggs for those months, but you don't necessarily have to do it that long.

But, I'm not sure it's CHEAPER to keep the quail than it is to buy chicken eggs, though that depends on the price of chicken eggs and the cost of feed and the cost of startup.

A wood and wire tower setup (3x2' tower, 3 levels, autowater system + J feeders, wire floors + poop trays) will likely run you around $450 to build (or $400-600 to buy a plastic rack + autowater from someplace like hatchingtime, but I'm not super stoked about that rack as long term breeding space), but it will last you a very very long time with cleaning/upkeep (you may have to replace the flooring once in a while). Let's say it lasts you 5 years before needing any repair, you'd be looking at an operating cost of around $7/month over the life of the cage.

You'll be hard pressed to find a good quail feed so you'll be mixing 2 feeds, which means 100lbs of feed at a time, at around $20/bag for game bird feed/good laying feed. Jumbos eat around 1/8-1/4 a cup a day each, meaning your 100lbs of feed would last 8 birds for ~200 days, which isn't bad. For ~2 dozen eggs a day, you'd be looking at around $20/month for feed.

If you're using wire, you won't "need" bedding but a lot of people put it on the poop trays to make them easier to clean off. You'll be using water for cleaning, and electricity for lighting, and you'll probably want to give them sand baths, so let's just tack on $5/month "misc" operating costs for 24 quail.

Which means for 8 quail, you'd be looking at around $15-18/month and for 24 quail, you'd be looking at around $32/month upkeep, plus the work of taking care of them. If you can use the quail poop for gardening, then that factors into it. If you want to be sure your animals are getting good food and care and are happy, then that factors into it. But if you want to get a significant number of quail to give you a significant number of eggs, if you wouldn't normally spend $x/month on eggs, then they won't really be cheaper.

imo, it's worth it. and selling some extras can significantly cut the costs; dozens here go for $2.50-6 (depending where you get them), so if you can find customers, sacrificing a few days worth of eggs can pay for the month. If you really love eggs and want fresh eggs at your fingertips constantly, quail are a great option. they're quiet, they don't take up a ton of space, they lay consistently, and their care is simple/strightforward. plus they're cute and stupid.

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Legit that seems like such an affordable way keeping poultry, looking at the chicken bills at my workplace is just like woah. Cheers for the breakdown!

Mmm dreaming of eggs...

Oh it's hands down way cheaper than keeping chickens. On top of just straight up being cheaper, taking up less space, being quieter AND less work than chickens, the quail rarely get injured (anymore. After I culled heavily against aggression) and in 5 years of keeping them they've gotten parasites one time- and that was coccidia from me bringing home birds from another breeder that kept her birds on raw ground, not something they caught here first. Up on the wire... They're good. like, going into any chicken group is a nightmare wade through all the health issues and horrific injuries. Even my spoiled rotten peafowl get feather lice every spring from the wild birds and at least once a year I have to treat coccidia or worms or both because they pick up parasites from eating wild bugs and bathing in dirt in their pens. The savings on general parasite treatments alone between chickens and quail is significant. The quail have never gotten ill at all.

And importantly here (and one of the original deciding factors), they don't need any special equipment to butcher from cage to freezer. No cones, no pluckers, no tools, nothing. Good kitchen shears make it easier, a vacuum sealer makes them last longer in the freezer, but you could grab shears from any knife block and an off brand zipper plastic baggie and still be fine. Which means it's easy to cull birds and not worry about wasting them.

But the question is do they cost less than buying eggs at the store. I also forgot the cost of the birds in my factoring of the cost; unless you're breeding more yourself (need to buy an incubator, plus keep males) you'd be looking at replacing the hens every 2 years to keep up that level of production. Hens are generally $6-15 depending on the type and quality, so add more for that over time.

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you could just make an absolute nightmare amount of creme brulee with the yolks and meringue cookies with the whites lol

I've never had creme brulee but it seems like it's made by Burning Things and/or Toasting Things, boh of which are illegal (to me).

I'm quite happy making ridiculous amounts of deviled eggs, tbh. I just really like deviled eggs, and the therapeutic repetition of peeling dozens of hard boiled while watching a movie cannot be argued (for me). Plus, since i'm picky about the whites looking nice, Bug gets a bonus bowl of mashed whites to gobble and slorp.

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Since you don't have a sense of smell you could always throw the excess eggs at things on your property everyday until it all smells really bad. This won't achieve anything but the smell wouldn't bother you.

I would never, because I live in a society (there are crows in my yard that would be very sad if I smashed the eggs instead of putting them out whole for them)

I'm sure you're getting flooded with this suggestion, but I'm adding my voice because I had the hardest fucking time getting quail eggs this new year. Sometimes I can get them fresh from a store (at a reasonable price), but the canned ones were a nightmare to find. I don't know if you have any asian stores/restaurants near you, but I would assume they'd be excited to buy fresh eggs.

I'm a big fan of hard/soft boiling them and brining in soy sauce and lao gan ma chili flakes but I realize that might not be your taste. Super envious of your bounty lol.

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The only local asian market in rural michigan is like half an hour away, and they already stock quail eggs. I'm also not really sure that "backyard" eggs would be legal to sell to a store without certifications/permits that I don't have. Even Cottage Law in some places can be tricky. The cost of those sorts of business permits can often outweight the benefit. I usually just advertise on craigslist- if you're having a hard time finding them, check there, I am always seeing ads by others there.

I'm honestly a fiend for eggs, and I've been restricting myself because of chicken egg prices, which breaks my little heart. I've been thinking about quail. How many do I need to cause that kind of egg problem which is a problem I'd love to have?

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they each lay an egg a day every day, provided you're feeding them right and give them 14 hours of light a day. So. however many eggs you want per day, that's how many hens you should have. Plus a few extra in case someone's slacking. I currently have ~50 breeders and 20-25 extra hens that just haven't sold yet, so I'm getting around 70 eggs a day. I drop the light under 14 hours october to new years, to let them molt and rest, so I don't get eggs for those months, but you don't necessarily have to do it that long.

But, I'm not sure it's CHEAPER to keep the quail than it is to buy chicken eggs, though that depends on the price of chicken eggs and the cost of feed and the cost of startup.

A wood and wire tower setup (3x2' tower, 3 levels, autowater system + J feeders, wire floors + poop trays) will likely run you around $450 to build (or $400-600 to buy a plastic rack + autowater from someplace like hatchingtime, but I'm not super stoked about that rack as long term breeding space), but it will last you a very very long time with cleaning/upkeep (you may have to replace the flooring once in a while). Let's say it lasts you 5 years before needing any repair, you'd be looking at an operating cost of around $7/month over the life of the cage.

You'll be hard pressed to find a good quail feed so you'll be mixing 2 feeds, which means 100lbs of feed at a time, at around $20/bag for game bird feed/good laying feed. Jumbos eat around 1/8-1/4 a cup a day each, meaning your 100lbs of feed would last 8 birds for ~200 days, which isn't bad. For ~2 dozen eggs a day, you'd be looking at around $20/month for feed.

If you're using wire, you won't "need" bedding but a lot of people put it on the poop trays to make them easier to clean off. You'll be using water for cleaning, and electricity for lighting, and you'll probably want to give them sand baths, so let's just tack on $5/month "misc" operating costs for 24 quail.

Which means for 8 quail, you'd be looking at around $15-18/month and for 24 quail, you'd be looking at around $32/month upkeep, plus the work of taking care of them. If you can use the quail poop for gardening, then that factors into it. If you want to be sure your animals are getting good food and care and are happy, then that factors into it. But if you want to get a significant number of quail to give you a significant number of eggs, if you wouldn't normally spend $x/month on eggs, then they won't really be cheaper.

imo, it's worth it. and selling some extras can significantly cut the costs; dozens here go for $2.50-6 (depending where you get them), so if you can find customers, sacrificing a few days worth of eggs can pay for the month. If you really love eggs and want fresh eggs at your fingertips constantly, quail are a great option. they're quiet, they don't take up a ton of space, they lay consistently, and their care is simple/strightforward. plus they're cute and stupid.

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