rune's shit in the bottle (SITB) adventures
the problem fountain pen in question is an asvine v800, genuinely one of the best budget fountain pens ever made. came out this year. huge fucking #8 nib in EF F M 1.1 stub, vacuum filler that detatches at the section so you can fill it japanese eyedropper style, giant awesome acrylic body, thick grip, great balance, lot of colors, clip, ~2.5ml capacity when filled with an eyedropper. harder to get a full fill with the actual filling mechanism.
~$35. #8 nibs alone being available in lens under, fuck, $200? is pretty fucking new even though only a few companies are doing it right now. AND a shut-off valve. meaning the flow of the main ink chamber to the feed can be shut off, making these very attractive pens to use in situations where they get jostled a lot or experience temperature changes. more on the pros and cons of this in another post.
i have taken hundreds of pages of notes and journaling with this pen model holy shit. balance is really good. some of the best bang for your buck on the market if you know how to clean pens, adjust nibs, and use vacuum fillers, because a lot of the nibs need adjusting. the new acrylic body does not smell like the resin c80 (which has a fucking 5ml capacity as an eyedropper hubba hubba), it posts when the valve is not extended. never post with the valve open. the acrylic material is less strong than the resin on the c80 and the back knob is acrylic on metal which sucks. I put silicone grease on there and...was that the right move? anyone have a better suggestion
it comes with a wrench for disassembly! and you can buy extra parts from asvine for a few bucks, and spare nibs in 2 packs for pretty damn good. so far I have tried the asvine and jinhao #8 nibs, and asvine is, of course, way better. if you get a jinhao #8 make sure you get one with the expanded converter that holds...was it 1.9ml? of ink. you REALLY want the highest ink capacity possible for a #8 nib!
pro tip I think the gold coated spare nibs have better alignment on average. quadruple pro tip NEVER TOUCH ACRYLIC FOUNTAIN PENS WITH ALCOHOL. if you have hand sanitizer on your hands or alcohol wipes you WILL fuck up the pen in ways that are probably not repairable! never clean any fountain pen with alcohol! alcohol + fountain pens = something will break a good chunk of the time.
anyway I mixed diamine forever hot magenta and diamine forever butterscotch for a really nice blood color. these are the new diamine pigment line, waterproof and fadeproof. not as good as sailor seiboku.
I mixed these with plastic pipettes and vials, and then eyedropper loaded it into the pen. yeah yeah never use pigment inks in a vacuum who cares the thing disassembles at the section. it was going great and then one day I noticed the flow was getting worse. and then I noticed the ink was writing slimy. snail trail. and then I was in denial for a few days because my nose is pretty good and there was no smell, and diamine forever inks get crusty so I though maybe it just got super gloopy at the end, and I had used diamine butterscotch and hot magenta before without issue...
anyway here was my process for diagnosing the issue: I went and flipped over the ink bottles. diamine butterscotch had green shit at the bottom, and so did the 5ml vial. nothing looked unusual in hot magenta or the vials. I use vials because I want to avoid cross contamination and developing shit in the bottle and getting mold in my fountain pens (clenches fucking fist) which is going GREAT
what probably happened is either I got a dud butterscotch or more likely, the pipette I happened to use for that ink bottle got contaminated by mold spores in the air. it was out on the table for a while. diamine usually has pretty good quality control. this is my first mold in a diamine ink.
anyway, when you have mold in a fountain pen, especially one with a big capacity, it acts like a fucking incubator. and whenever you empty that pen out, you have to be careful because the spores get everywhere. anything those spores touch is prone to developing mold. and when you have mold in a fountain pen, everything that fountain pen touches can grow mold too. other inks, which can contaminate other pens, and in worst case scenarios you could even grow mold on the paper from writing with the moldy ink on humid conditions. I am really fucking worried about that one, I was just so tired and stressed already and fucked up bad. no mold yet at least...dehumidifier on...
so anyway this is what I Did and not necessarily what you should do
when cleaning mold from a fountain pen, you want to do a few things: first of all get ready to bag up and dispose of the ink and waste as sealed and carefully as you can. outside if you can manage. I did this with very little ventilation and it sucked. I dumped out the ink into a cup with a paper towel. it was gloopy as fuck. the paper towel turned brown and then...it looked like the mold? grew so fast the paper towel turned fuzzy and white again within the hour. I think that was what happened? my head was fucking pounding holy shit
next up was cleaning and sanitizing. I used 32oz mason jars, nonsudsing ammonia, distilled water, seventh generation free and clear dish soap, and a 60ml syringe I had around from old medical supplies. and labels, cups, paper towels, big zip bags for garbage, nitrile gloves, newer pipettws hopefully not contaminated,
probably should have had a mask on...I could still use a recommendation for a good mold mask. half mask+ respirators? the newer 3m ones with the increased airflow, are they good? anyway...
- 72ml ammonia to 728ml distilled water
- the above but with two drops of dish soap (too much, should have just been one...)
- 100ml ammonia to 700ml distilled water
- the above but with one drop of dish soap
the big problem here is that these are vacuum pens with a big metal rod in the middle. so that part, the vacuum rod, you really usually do not want to use a strong ammonia with if you are like me and trying not to give other people advice that can break their fountain pens. but I did it anyway because I fucking hate mold
clear out the ink, bag up the paper towel+cup with the dumped moldy ink in and zip it up (head pounding at this point), get another paper towel + cup and dump out a few more rounds of the strong ammonia mix with a drop of the dish soap containing one, zip up that waste cup, and then I soaked the section + nib unit in one cup and the section + cap in one of the less powerful ammonia mixes...with a few drops of the dish soap strong one. I let them soak, completely covered, for an hour.
I also soaked all of the nib units I had drying on the table for a while in case they got contaminated. and then soaked those in distilled water and dried them out.
and I just went back and forth with the ammonia mixes and distilled water, section and cap and body, trying not to leave anything metal exposed for too long. one technique that I found works pretty well for the asvine #8 nib units is to put the nib unit in a plastic 5ml vial with pen cleaner or distilled water and shake it kind of roughly and it works really well. I really did not want to risk contaminating my shitty ultrasonic cleaner for this.
once mold gets into an ink bottle there is no realistic way of saving it. some people try, and if you do it is an entire fucking process that still risks growing mold in your pen and probably costs more than just replacing the ink. I need to throw away diamine forever butterscotch.
throughout this whole process I was changing gloves a lot because again you can not alcohol wipe acrylic fountain pens and should never try. does anyone know if resin (like on the asvine c80) is safe with alcohol though
my head HURT like hell but it gave me a good meter of how much mold was left...to some degree. when using dish soap you have to be extra careful, mold loves eating soap and any residual dish soap can wreck the entire fill of ink because it changes the flow of the ink and basically makes the pen piss uncontrollably and the ink feathers and becomes unusable. whenever you use dish soap it needs to not have extra lotions, not have added fragrance, you use the absolute minimum amount and often times that means a toothpick. for 32oz of pen cleaner a single tiny drop is enough! and dish soap sucks to clean out of vacuum fillers.
not sure I sanitized the inside of the knob end of the rod now that I think about it...shit.fuck. anyway you want to clean as much residue of anything in the pen out, you want to sanitize it, and you want to rinse it all out completely with distilled water and let it dry. most of the time you can get a good enough clean with distilled water alone. or dish soap + distilled water and then distilled water over and over again. but the big secret to pen cleaning, especially in the case of stubborn dried ink and mold, is ammonia! make sure you dilute it though, I usually see people say 1:10 ammonia to distilled water.
I went through a lot of pen cleaner, at least 40oz worth. and a ton of distilled water. you can buy pre-made pen cleaner but not all pen cleaner is good for all fountain pens and it costs a shitload more to buy than to make it. sudless ammonia, distilled water, dish soap. but some pen materials are really bad with ammonia especially at higher concentrations, I think aluminum at least was one of them.
anyway I filled the pen back up a few days ago and hopefully it will not grow mold again. I hate that this happened, diamine forever butterscotch is a great ink.
but I do have to say, diamine forever ink in asvine v800...lot of crud accumulates around the underside of the nib to the point I have to use a folded piece of paper to excavate the pigment particle and/or use an ultra thin bras shim to floss the nib because the accumulated crud/pigment particles were interfering with writing. diamine forever works really well otherwise. and this is kind of to be expected with a big fat wet #8 nib
long story short: fountain pens and fountain pen inks often grow mold. in a higher capacity pen, the potential growth is much greater, and it sucks more to clean. empty, clean, rinse, sanitize, rinse, dry. and throw away contaminated ink bottles. might want to use a mask and gloves. this is exactly why I try to use 5ml vials so much, to avoid mold/shit in the bottle, but sometimes there is no helping it. there are mold spores in the air. I left the pipettes I was using too exposed to the air.
really hope I did not damage that pen. well whatever. this whole process sucked and my head was pounding. mold sucks. the asvine v800 is amazing. be careful about shaving off the threads on the back knob and never post the cap on the back of the knob unless extended
seriously though are the new 3m respirators good? with the better flow? or what do you folks recommend for mold cleaning