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this is for my roleplay server but close enough
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911 liam's doing cow eyes at noel again
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noel full body sobbing saying how sorry he is for doing this hating himself for wanting his baby brother the shame and guilt consuming him whole meanwhile liam is cumming underneath him with a big fat grin on his face
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some thoughts on the fandom’s approach to gcest:
the gcesters witch hunt on twitter is, honestly, endlessly entertaining. there is something deeply ironic about watching people perform intense moral outrage over incest while continuing to passionately engage with the cultural output of two brothers who publicly tongue-kissed each other. one can’t help but wonder where this sudden ethical rigidity comes from, and why it conveniently stops at the music.
it’s also worth saying this clearly, because nuance tends to get lost online. many gcesters, myself included, neither advocate for incest nor seek to normalise it as a desirable practice. what we do is highlighting the rather undeniable fact that liam and noel were (and, to some extent, still are) deeply weird as fuck with each other.
there is a fine, yet crucial, distinction between endorsing incest and simply acknowledging that it occurred. incest does happen in the real world, whether people are comfortable admitting it or not. and while a dysfunctional family background, compounded by addiction, violence, and instability, does not automatically lead to incestuous dynamics, it is widely recognised as a context in which boundaries can become blurred.
within this framework, the gallagher brothers present a particularly rich case study. they were raised in an objectively traumatic domestic context, characterised by abuse and precarity. their adult relationship unfolded as a long, very public power struggle shaped by a quite significant age gap, emotional dependency, and shifting authority. their interactions frequently exceeded normative fraternal boundaries, both physically and verbally. persistent touching, groping, explicit sexual innuendo directed at one another, and lyrical material that gestures toward incestuous imagery are not inventions of the fandom but elements of the text itself.
pointing this out is not about moral judgment or automatic fetishisation. it is about taking the material seriously. refusing to acknowledge these dynamics does not make the lore cleaner or healthier. it just makes the analysis less honest.
there is a categorical difference between interpretation and endorsement. observation does not function as advocacy, and visibility does not translate into approval. cultural criticism operates precisely by isolating and examining uncomfortable contexts, not by sanitising them out of existence.
speaking for myself, i DO NOT condone incest. i understand it primarily as a phenomenon that often emerges from conditions of trauma, abuse, addiction, and systemic familial dysfunction. i have no interest in imposing an incestuous narrative onto the gallagher brothers, nor in reframing such dynamics as healthy, aspirational, or morally neutral. likewise, i have no interest in legalising incest, practicing it, or encouraging others to do so.
now some of you might reasonably ask: then why do you write fics about them at all?
well, to begin with, they are both objectively attractive, and pretending otherwise would be intellectually dishonest. if finding the gallagher brothers hot is a crime, then i plead guilty without hesitation. let’s be honest here, erotic interest plays a big role in fandom engagement.
that said, writing fics about a dynamic i genuinely believe existed, however messy or controversial, is very different from forcing a personal fantasy onto two men who never showed that kind of interest. one is interpretation based on text, interviews, performances, and years of public behaviour. the other would be pure projection. those are not the same thing, and fandom discourse would be a lot calmer if we stopped pretending they were.
the real question, for me, is not “why write it” but “what does writing it do”. i approach incest not as something to be celebrated, but as something that often emerges from trauma, abuse, addiction, and unstable family systems. from this perspective, the fic becomes a space of symbolic processing. it allows both writer and reader to explore what such dynamics might feel like internally, rather than simply reacting to them at the level of shock or taboo. it’s about trying to understand the emotional logic behind something that clearly wasn’t healthy, but was real.
with liam and noel specifically, what fascinates me is not transgression for its own sake, but the possibility that, in spite of everything, they managed to negotiate a form of balance. not a textbook healthy one, obviously, but something that allowed them to survive each other for decades. as someone who writes both academically and for fun, i find it compelling to attempt to articulate what such a long-term entanglement might have felt like.
and finally, because this apparently still needs to be stated explicitly: no one is being forced to read gcest fics. incest is a controversial and potentially triggering topic, and i would never expect or pressure anyone to engage with material that makes them uncomfortable. fandom participation is voluntary. boundaries are real. content warnings exist for a reason. you are allowed to curate your own experience without turning it into a moral crusade.
so yeah, i’m not dragging anyone for finding gcest uncomfortable, because it is. it’s morbid, traumatic, and deeply disturbing. that said, one can recognise the existence of an incestuous pattern without ever engaging with gcest content directly. acknowledgment does not necessitate participation. no one is forcing anything into your timeline or down your throat. you may live your life while others navigate theirs.
and even if you personally reject the notion that gcest occurred – which is entirely legitimate – you can simply disengage from those who interpret it as real. fandom has always functioned as a space of multiple coexisting interpretations, and this reading is supported by a substantial body of text, interviews, and public behavior. disagreement does not justify policing others’ interpretive practices.
what you don’t need to do is hunt people down in some parasocial attempt to cleanse the world of perceived impurity. you are not joan of arc, and liam and noel are not two helpless children who need to be babied or defended by strangers online. gcest theories have existed since the 90s, and gcesters, for the most part, are a pretty discreet and self-regulating corner of the fandom. trust me, the two blokes will be fine. they have survived britpop, lawsuits, addiction, and decades of each other. i promise they do not need your moral guardianship. block, mute, curate your space, and move on.
at this point, it’s helpful to lay out the only three reasonable ways to approach this whole gcest phenomenon:
- deny that gcest happened and disengage entirely from any content or discussion related to it.
- accept that gcest occurred to some extent, but choose to ignore it because it is personally triggering or morally problematic.
- accept gcest as a valid interpretive reading, participate in the community, and have fun with the content (while always staying respectful toward the real people involved and their family members).
what’s absolutely unnecessary is being obnoxious about it. we don’t need a revival of the spanish inquisition in fandom spaces. critical disagreement, moral discomfort, or personal refusal to engage can coexist with the presence of others who interpret the material differently.
in short: multiple readings can co-occur. personal boundaries matter. respect is key. and honestly, we can all just live in the same fandom corner without coming for each other’s throats.
to wrap it up:
if you don’t like gcest, don’t believe it happened, or find it triggering:
- stop lurking gcest accounts under the pretense of “exposing” them (we see you. we know you’re just having a cheeky look).
- stop engaging with any kind of gcest content, especially fanfiction.
- avoid interacting with “official” material that alludes to these dynamics, including interviews, photographs, videos, and lyrical content that suggest inappropriate intimacy.
- do not appropriate or repost content from gcest communities while erasing its authorship or context.
- exercise caution when discussing gcest on platforms where the brothers are active (twitter, instagram). if discretion is maintained by gcesters to prevent triggering content from reaching liam or noel, loud public condemnation can paradoxically generate the very discomfort it claims to prevent. in that case, you are the ones making them uncomfortable.
- accept that people will have different interpretations. the brothers were weird. that’s a fact. you cannot stop people from theorising.
well, i guess that’s all. have a great day!
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. found this pre-famous era of an oasis interview with noel + liam and its just comparable to the bed friendly interview question. like?? this was before they were even famous so who the hell would they be joking to .? hate these freaks
Int: So how long have you two been together? Noel: Uhm.. (pause) it'll be three years in October and me n him been together for... (laughs) you know? Int: Not like that. Liam (in the background): they found out, they found out! Noel: We're brothers aren't we? Int: Yeah. Noel: We've been together for long time.
