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“Daenerys turned evil because of misogyny!” nah, it ain’t it fam. Please folks, let me offer a different perspective.

Game of Thrones is a bourgeois centrist masturbatory fantasy written by someone who openly endorsed Clinton over Sanders in 2016 and now supports Joe Biden, adapted for screen by the son of an ex Goldman Sachs executive who worked for George W. Bush.

I grew up in a country where textual analysis is always done taking into account authorial intent. Every work of literature was analysed through the lens of the author and the political environment they lived in. Do not “Death of the Author” @ me.  

That being said.

Daenerys was textually coded as the “Breaker of Chains” revolutionary who frees slaves and roasts their masters. Revolutionaries do not do well in American productions, whether on paper or screen. The “revolutionary (=anyone who attempts to break the status quo) fella as villain” is a fairly common trope in superhero stories. Villains such as Bane are always given “I’m here to break the system and end corruption” lines, and the superhero is the one called to preserve the status quo. To preserve the system.  

The American hero will never yell “slay the masters”.

Long story short: revolution = bad. Status quo = good. The revolutionary is always fated to go downhill. Why? To show that revolutions are nothing but a source of death and destruction. Daenerys goes from burning slavers to torching kids. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You want the oppressive Tsar gone? Careful boy, because you might get Stalin. The proletarian revolution is just not worth it.

D&D have gone to great lengths to tick every “5 Things Writers Should Never Do” box, using Tyrion as a mouthpiece to explain that using violence against bad people is wrong and centrism is good. For example, punching fascists is a downward spiral. You punch a fascist, and you enjoy it, so you start punching those who are harassing your friend. In 48 hours, you are punching random women and children on the street. That was foreshadowed when you started punching fascists. So, refrain from punching fascists. Compromise with them. If you punch a fascist, then you are just the same as them.

Daenerys has to turn evil evil, for bourgeois Jon Snow has to kill the revolutionary. The young, idealist bourgie has flirted with the revolution, but the revolution has shown her true nature. Anarcho-communist, politically savvy Drogon burns the Iron Throne. The threat of the revolution is gone. The Lannisters were good bois all along, as they never threatened to “break the wheel” or sumn. Nobles gather in the Dragonpit. They laugh at the idea of granting peasants rights. But that’s fine, because the bigger threat is gone.

Monarchy is out. Oligarchy is in. Self-elected technocrats gather at the table. Bronn, of all people, is Master of Coin. He really needs the bad pussy. Tyrion, who has failed at literally everything, participated in war crimes, and whose counsel to Daenerys was nothing short of disastrous and part of the reason she fell from grace, is never held accountable for his failures and gets to keep his job - like a proper Goldman Sachs executive after 2008.

Bourgie Bran is elected King. Surveillance state is on.

Nobody ever asked the smallfolk their opinion about this whole mess. 

“What was the point of Game of Thrones?”

The Night King was the good guy all along.

To sum up:

  • Daenerys did nothing wrong
  • Authorial intent is important
  • It’s finally over, now you can move on and watch anime

one thing that really disgusted me about the finale- when Tyrion tells Jon that if you pile up the bodies of the people Tywin and Cersei killed, it won't even be half of the deaths Dany caused in King's Landing...which doesn't make sense right? Tywin orchestrated the Red Wedding, ordered the destruction of the Riverlands, Cersei blew up the freaking sept! How can Tyrion compare Dany to them?!

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In terms of numbers, no, show!Tyrion’s quite possibly right. King’s Landing is a big city.

But that doesn’t mean that dialogue wasn’t some sort of fresh hell. Because it was.

At first Daenerys came for the slavers, and we cheered, because hello, they’re slavers, not members of a different political party! Then Daenerys came for the men who spent several episodes making it very clear they intended to rape and imprison her, and we cheered, because uh…they spent several episodes making it very clear that these men intended to rape Dany and had already raped many other women, and were not in fact members of a trade union or equivalent. And then Daenerys came for Cersei…

The entire speech ran on the assumption that if Dany was willing to kill bad people in the name of a good cause, obviously she’d be willing to kill good people in the name of a bad cause. The phrases use the same words and everything. It’s nasty false equivalence.

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This was the thing that killed me the most. They had to villainize her entire character arc/growth. Tell us we were idiots and fools for believing she was a hero.

The ignored her empathy, compassion, desire to help where she could. Above all she is a protector. If she had to descend into darkness, they could have shown that without trying to make it out like this is who she was all along. Or that her DNA would eventually catch up.

It’s like they had to demonize her, say she was the worst villain the show had ever seen because they were going to have Jon kill her. Can’t have Jon looking like anything but a hero can we? Her entire death was played out about how hard it was for Jon and Tyrion to put her down, because she has no compassion or logical sense to compel to. Something Tyrion tried again and again with Cersei even though she proved time and again it was hopeless. Even though Dany proved time and again that she listened to her advisors to a fault.

Suddenly she’s too crazy now and has no self awareness. Just so Jon killing her won’t make Jon look like a bad guy in the slightest. And by extension, we are not allowed to even mourn her by the narrative, because this is what “needed” to happen.

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Sansa as the embodiment of white femininity and white feminism

I have always felt alienated by Sansa Stark as a character. Born high-born and privileged, she epitomizes classic, traditional, feudalist white womanhood. In spite of how clever and hardened she has become, she still exudes an aura of, shall we say, white female purity that prompts fans to fight over her and viciously defend her, to the point that anyone who doesn’t immediately fawn over her is despised, called vicious slurs, and hated. Any female character in the show that clashes with Sansa is also hated. 

Fans of Sansa have been known to mock Arya’s gender non-conformity and even claim that preferring Arya to Sansa is a form of “anti-femininity”; they have been known to call Daenerys a foreign whore/a colonizer/an “invader”, which as an immigrant I find amusing because being called an “invader” is one of the more mundane xenophobic insults we deal with; most recently, they have even been known to defend Northern racism and xenophobia, which Sansa has tacitly endorsed by showing hostility toward Daenerys and her armies, and openly questioning how to feed those armies before said armies were sacrificed for the sake of white Northerners, and some Sansa fans even made racist comments about Missandei, simply because Missandei made a gently critical comment toward Sansa in 8.03. This is how defensive people are of Sansa - if you don’t worship her, you’re branded persona non grata, a misogynist of the ages. Sansa fans, most of whom are white liberal feminists/liberal feminists in general, weaponize progressive misogyny to glorify Sansa at the expense of other female characters, and believe they are in the right for doing so (e.g. celebrating Dany or Missandei’s deaths, calling Cersei slurs, making fun of Arya’s gender norm-defiant habits). Yet if someone were to point out Sansa’s objective flaws, or the flaws in her storylines, they would be branded an irredeemable misogynist. Any analysis of Sansa’s flaws is waved away with “she’s traumatized; yet Cersei is stripped of her agency as a traumatized woman and assigned the trope of one-dimensional mad queen, while Daenerys is assigned pure villainy, rather than moral complexity, and her trauma is not allowed to be factored in. 

I am a South Asian bi woman, and an immigrant. I have never been able to relate to Sansa’s story because she was born privileged and because she embodies a pure version of white womanhood that prompts people to be viciously defensive. This mirrors exactly how people are with regards to white women in real life. People will tear apart women of color for the sake of white women. Historically, men of color, especially Black men, have been beaten or killed if they so much as looked at white women “the wrong way”. White women have been able to weaponize “crocodile tears” to demonize women of color. When watching Game of Thrones, I was never very into Sansa as a character for this precise reason. Even before Season 8, even before I saw how the got/asoiaf fandom on Tumblr is, even before I knew that Sansa fans hate Daenerys, even before all of that, I was not able to like Sansa because she reminded me far too much of the vicious white women I grew up with, the ones who were beautiful and feminine and skinny and could bat their eyelashes one minute and get what they want. Sansa has gone through a lot, of course, and undeniably so, yet she is by far not the only female character who has gone through a lot; yet fandom expects that we worship her and only her, which is far too reminiscent of how I have been shoved aside or demonized for the sake of white women. Moreover, Sansa interacts entirely with only white people; it is no wonder that Daenerys, who is dubbed a foreign invader, and who interacts with many people of color, is more relatable as a character to me (and this is before even mentioning everything Daenerys does as a liberator). 

I mention Sansa’s epitomization of a specific form of white femininity for a reason. Femininity is a co-construct of colonialism and patriarchy. White femininity could not be created without the concurrent rape, dehumanization, brutalization, and exclusion of women of color (including enslaved women from African nations, Indigenous women, and colonized women from Asia, Africa, and South America). I’m not going to go into more specific details about this because it requires a separate meta. In short, though, Sansa’s femininity is so alienating to me because it is not a femininity I could ever fit into. Being coercively masculinized is an experience most women of color can relate to at least somewhat, since most of us at some point or another have been excluded from white definitions of femininity and womanhood. For more reading, I highly recommend The Coloniality of Gender by Maria Lugones, especially if you don’t understand why I’m saying that femininity as we understand it is a product of both colonialism and patriarchy and what ramifications this has for women of color. 

A common talking point I’ve briefly stated is that Daenerys is a colonizer/imperialist/white savior, perhaps as common as the point that she is fated to become a Mad Queen. It is expected by a small but vocal minority of this fandom that if you are a woman of color, or an “ally” to women of color, you’ll hate Daenerys and consider her to be a white feminist character. The voices of actual women of color who like Daenerys are completely erased in this scenario; in many cases, those of us who do like her are deemed ignorant, or told that we need to educate ourselves. Women of color who do like Daenerys, funnily enough, get called racist and misogynistic slurs by white Sansa fans, who are then the same fans that turn around and call Daenerys a white savior. This cliché that “hating Dany = being an ally to woc” is so popular that any time Daenerys is brought up, it is almost expected that a WHITE Sansa fan will say “she’s a white savior” or “y’alls white savior fave [….]”. It is evident that white women do not understand what white saviorism is or how it actually operates, especially when these white women act like Sansa herself isn’t white and high-born, or when they act like preferring Sansa to Daenerys is more progressive/less white feminist, or when they even go as far as claiming that preferring Dany to Sansa is “white feminism” even though, again, BOTH Sansa and Dany are white women (and GRRM only considered writing one of them as Black, and it wasn’t Sansa, my friends). Stripping fans of color of their voices and agency is not actually progressive. It’s not progressive to weaponize critical race discourse for the sake of fandom drama, or for fights between fans of two white female characters. It’s not progressive to tokenize women of color or racialized misogyny. It’s not progressive to claim that women of color who like Daenerys are white or stupid or can’t have their race card anymore or worship white people or that they should “take a 23andme” test or whatever, especially if the argument is that you should hate one white woman (Dany) only to love another (Sansa). Yet all of this is done in the name of Sansa, which again goes back to my point that her brand of white femininity is the dangerous and insidious type, the one that makes my skin crawl in trepidation. 

Anyway, that I as a woman of color am expected to care more about a hyper-feminine white girl who was born privileged and grew up privileged and is overtly classist and has done nothing revolutionary for marginalized people or the smallfolk than about a white woman who, while feminine, was born in poverty and exile, and has explicitly enacted revolutionary actions against slavers, rapists, and child abusers, all in the name of going against white feminism/white saviorism, is genuinely funny to me. All this just makes me feel even more that it is Sansa who is the quintessential white liberal feminist character, NOT Daenerys. In this world, the white feminist character is not the one who gleefully burns slaveowners and child murderers and is then reviled (by both the narrative and the fans) for doing so. 

This is why Slavoj Zizek’s review of the Game of Thrones finale is so on point. By the way, Zizek is a famous Marxist academic. He’s not my favorite by any means, and I have a lot of problems with him, but if you’re going for leftist critiques of GOT, here’s one of many: 

The one who remains (as the queen of the autonomous kingdom of the North) is Sansa, a type of women beloved by today’s capitalism: she combines feminine softness and understanding with a good dose of intrigue, and thus fully fits the new power relations. This marginalisation of women is a key moment of the general liberal-conservative lesson of the finale: revolutions have to go wrong, they bring new tyranny, or, as Jon put it to Daenerys: “The people who follow you know that you made something impossible happen. Maybe that helps them believe that you can make other impossible things happen: build a world that’s different from the shit one they’ve always known. But if you use dragons to melt castles and burn cities, you’re no different.”
Consequently, Jon kills out of love (saving the cursed woman from herself, as the old male-chauvinist formula says) the only social agent in the series who really fought for something new, for a new world that would put an end to old injustices.
So justice prevailed – but what kind of justice? The new king is Bran: crippled, all-knowing, who wants nothing – with the evocation of the insipid wisdom that the best rulers are those who do not want power. A dismissive laughter that ensues when one of the new elite proposes a more democratic selection of the king tells it all.
And one cannot help but note that those faithful to Daenerys to the end are more diverse – her military commander is black – while the new rulers are clearly white Nordic. The radical queen who wanted more freedom for everyone irrespective of their social standing and race is eliminated, things are brought back to normal.

Why am I as a woman of color expected to love/care more about the white woman who only spends time with other white people, most of whom are high-born and are xenophobic regardless, and who is handed her Queen status on a silver nepotist platter, but revile the white woman who spends time with people of color, has freed slaves, is a queen who is chosen by those who follow her, and fights for the smallfolk, only to be reviled by the men around her? It is precisely because Sansa is the personification of upper-class, nativist, xenophobic white womanhood, and she appeases the appetites of liberal feminists but is both soft and gentle enough to not be threatening to men, the same men who call Daenerys a crazy bitch for burning slaveowners, rapists, or the abusive traitor Randyll Tarly, and celebrate her death. 

Dan & David, as stupid as they are, were clever enough to realize that by granting Sansa QiTN status, they would be giving breadcrumbs to her (mostly white) liberal feminist fans who only care about her and would see Cersei dead and defanged, as well as Daenerys dead and demonized, to get this achieved if need be (which is exactly what happened). They are also rich white capitalist men who thrive off propaganda. The argument that first she came for the slavers and rapists, then she came for the innocents, is explicitly white supremacist, capitalist, patriarchal propaganda, which D&D are happy to promote, because it aligns with their interests. It rings the same bells that “anti-fascists are the REAL fascists” or “BLM activists are the REAL terrorists” or “proletarian revolutionaries are all going to turn out like Stalin” because the same types of people (rich white men with neoliberal agendas) are churning out the same soundbites. And a lot of you fall for it, because as long as the precious, pure, angelic white woman, who is beautifully feminine, has the purity of a white bloodline, and can do no wrong, gets her happy yes queen ending, then we can turn a blind eye and root for Dany’s death. 

Take note, of course, that all but one of the characters who gets a happy ending are white. Grey Worm is the only character of color with speaking roles and interiority left on the show; I do not count the unnamed Dornish Prince because, well, he’s unnamed, he doesn’t speak, and the Dornish don’t gain independence, despite 1) retaining independence against the Targaryens and 2) being as brutalized/fucked over by the Lannisters as the Starks were. Notably the Greyjoys, who sided with the revolutionary-turned-evil Queen, don’t get independence either. The North, belonging to the King’s Sister, does, and unquestionably so, without the consent of the people, and we are supposed to be satisfied with a happy oligarchy in which Brienne can write about a man who broke her heart and used her, and men can joke about brothels. The evil revolutionary queen dies early in the episode, some tears are shed for her, she’s called a tyrant, and then we’re done with her, and most focus on the real heroes: the Starks. Zizek points out: 

…the last struggle between the Starks and Daenerys – ultimately between traditional “good” nobility (Starks) faithfully protecting their subjects from bad tyrants, and Daenerys as a new type of a strong leader, a kind of progressive bonapartist acting on behalf of the underprivileged.

We are told that the Starks ultimately earned their happy ending, even though Bran did not participate in the game of thrones at all, even though Sansa did nothing in the fight against either the Night King’s Army or against Cersei, even though Daenerys is the only one shown actually liberating marginalized people and ruthlessly holding their oppressors accountable. Dany is called a white savior for doing those things, and her mistakes in pursuing her anti-slavery agenda are held against her, and yet the same people accept nepotism and oligarchy without argument, again because they, from the beginning, accept the argument that traditional, isolationist, nordic feudalist white people are the real heroes, and anyone who defies this norm is a villain. Do we see a single scene of the Starks fighting on behalf of the serfs whose labor they profit off of? No, and yet we call Daenerys the “white supremacist” character, or the “mad” character, or the “tyrant”. This kind of propaganda is so successful in America, even among liberal feminists, because socialist revolution is synonymous with tyranny and anti-liberty in this country. 

The woman who proposes breaking the wheel of rulers and freeing slaves and serfs around the world is actually turned into a villain at the very last minute. In fact, her killing of evil men is explicitly framed as evil, through Tyrion’s very speech to Jon in 8.06. She kills evil men, so of course it’s no wonder that she’s now gone mad and killed civilians. This is the same kind of warning that rich white people utter in real life; if we allow antifascists, or Black Lives Matter activists, or leftist feminists, or labor organizers to run amok, we’ll be overwhelmed by tyranny and anarchy and authoritarianism. So, instead, the woman who lived her life in privilege should be handed a royal status by her Brother the King, and we should cheer this on and accept this because she worked so hard and she went through so much and she’s so precious and clever and pure (development of her cleverness hardly being shown aside, we MUST accept that she is /the/ cleverest character on the show, because she had some snappy yes queen lines that we know to fawn over). 

Daenerys has been far more threatening to the egos of male fans than Sansa has been over the eight years got has aired. It’s no wonder - Dany routinely kills evil men as Tyrion pointed out. Where we cheered on when Sansa fed Ramsay to his dogs or conspired against Petyr Baelish, we view Dany killing slaveowners, rapists, and child murderers as evil and as foreshadowing madness. This discrepancy in similar actions undertaken by two traumatized women is only possible because Sansa appeases the white liberal feminist appetite without threatening male viewers, white viewers, or capitalist norms, and because she does so with a more genteel face and a naive facade. 

This is why, to me, Sansa is the ultimate white feminist character of got/asoiaf. We fall for her trap of white femininity and endorse the most egregious forms of racism and misogyny just for her sake, and we call it feminism and we call it progressive, and we sometimes even have the gall to claim it is pro women of color to do so. Yet the type of femininity and power Sansa has is exactly the kind that excludes women of color and, in real life, would necessarily feature the marginalizing, sidelining, or demonizing of women of color. That eerily xenophobic rhetoric is used against Daenerys is thus not surprising. If we aren’t too careful, according to both white liberal feminist fans of Sansa and according to white men, we’ll end up letting foreign revolutionary evil mad queens like Daenerys in our midst, and they’ll hold too many evil men accountable for their actions. 

This is my analysis as a woman of color, one that is actually based on nuance and critical thinking rather than just parroting the same faux-progressive soundbites, so I sure hope so called “allies of WOC” don’t force me to like Sansa just because they want me too. 

Anonymous asked:

Do you think that book!Alicent was a one dimensional evil stepmother and the show has fixed her by making her a sad victim of the men around her? I don't agree with this take but i see so many people argue in favour of stripping her of her agency in the show in that book!Alicent was nothing but a misogynistic caricature made by the sexist maesters.

Thanks for this question anon! I had actually been meaning to write something about the "evil stepmother" accusations that get thrown at book!Alicent because having recently re-read F&B, I just don't see it.

First of all, and I think most notably, Alicent's relationship with Rhaenyra doesn't really deteriorate completely until Daemon returns to court. Before that, we don't really have much information about the first few years of Viserys' marriage. The fandom likes to claim that Alicent was beefing with a 9 year old but that isn't really backed up with much evidence. After the account that nine year old Rhaenyra poured for her new stepmother at Alicent and Viserys' wedding (and on a seriously wtf note, helped undress her father for the bedding, but that's another topic), the next words we have about Alicent and Rhaenyra are when Alicent quips, about Rhaenyra's relationship with Criston Cole, "Ser Criston protects the princess from her enemies, but who protects the princess from Ser Criston?" And y'all? This is not beefing or bullying. Alicent is pointing out that Rhaenyra, now about 13-ish, is in a vulnerable position as an unmarried young woman. Is she also possibly picking up on some weird predatory vibes with Criston? Perhaps (which is also also interesting, considering Criston later defects to Alicent's camp)! Remember, book!Criston is only a year younger than Daemon, so anything between them would not only be completely off limits because Criston is a kingsguard, but also extremely inappropriate just based on their ages alone. Regardless, Rhaenyra is at this point surrounded by a lot of men ("many lords and knights sought her favor") and Alicent alone seems cognizant of the danger this poses.

After this, the relationship between Alicent and Rhaenyra evidently deteriorates, but we're not told precisely how, only that the "amity between Her Grace and her stepdaughter had proved short lived, for both Rhaenyra and Alicent aspired to be the first lady of the realm..." Keep in mind, this is Gyldayn editorializing without a source, and as for being "first lady of the realm," it's just as likely that Rhaenyra was jealous of her stepmother's position as queen as it was that Alicent had any particular animosity towards Rhaenyra. In any case, the book does not suggest that either of them are at fault for the breakdown.

This is also around the time that Otto gets sent home for bugging Viserys about the succession, so that probably had something to do with it, although this still does not amount to Alicent beefing with a child, as it's doubtful she brought up the situation to Rhaenyra herself, but rather she and Otto brought the issue to Viserys. And although I don't really want to get into the succession weeds here, I do want to make it clear that the expectation that Viserys would make his firstborn son his heir was an entirely reasonable one. Everywhere except for Dorne, sons inherit before daughters, and if Viserys had made it clear before he married Alicent that he had no intention of replacing Rhaenyra as heir, Otto might not have married Alicent to Viserys in the first place. There are multiple examples of men with daughters but no sons remarrying in order to get a male heir. It's the only reason Corlys offered Laena as a bride to Viserys (and, arguably, Corlys would have had the leverage to force the issue, which is perhaps one reason why he did not choose Laena). And it wasn't just Otto and Alicent-- people asked "what of the ruling of the Great Council in 101?" But Viserys basically told naysayers to shut up and stop asking. Okay.

Then we have the dress incident, and at this point Rhaenyra is 14, Daemon is back in town, and there's a tourney on. Alicent wears a green dress, Rhaenyra wears a black and red one. It's interesting that in this chapter, no additional context is given to this event. Much earlier in F&B, we do learn that the High Tower is lit green to call its banners against Maegor the Cruel. The show makes this association clear, but Gyldayn does not say that Alicent did this as a declaration of war on Rhaenyra, only that "the queen wore a green gown, whilst the princess dressed dramatically in Targaryen red and black." If you've read F&B, you know that Gyldayn loves editorializing, so the fact that the association made by the show is completely omitted here suggest that Gyldayn lacked this context, or people at the time of the event simply thought it was a green dress with no additional meaning, or perhaps he expected in-world readers to draw their own conclusions (although it's kind of unlike Gyldayn to resist showing off his knowledge when he can). Regardless, after that, the people gave them the nickname the blacks and the greens, and it stuck.

Anyway, it's clear Alicent and Rhaenyra aren't getting along at this point, and they probably resent each other, but there is no mention of Alicent actually doing anything whatsoever to harm Rhaenyra, much less "bullying a child who has just lost her mother" or "beefing with a nine year old." This seems to be a complete invention. Given that book!Rhaenyra is a spoiled only child, by this point a teenager, accustomed to having her father's undivided attention, and now he has a new wife and at this point three new children in his life, it's equally likely that Rhaenyra was feeling displaced and acting out. However, instead of giving her any helpful guidance or correcting her, the trusted adults in her life reinforce her negative feelings, and as we'll see, even use those insecurities to manipulate her. As for Alicent "poisoning her children against Rhaenyra," there's simply zero evidence to back this up. In fact, what eventually happens would seem to suggest that Alicent was at least somewhat concerned about the hostility between her children and Rhaenyra. And here is when things really break down, because this is where Daemon really starts to stir the pot.

Before the tourney, Daemon had been fighting in the stepstones. He returns to King's Landing a hero, and immediately latches onto Rhaenyra. As for Alicent, "although he treated her with all the courtesy due her station, there was no warmth between them, and men said that the prince was notably cool towards her children, especially his nephews, Aegon and Aemond, whose birth had pushed him still lower in the order of succession." So who is, in fact beefing with children? Daemon Targaryen. At the same time, Daemon starts cozying up to Rhaenyra, giving her extravagant gifts, telling her stories, and doing the one thing that is absolutely sure to win over a teenager, being a hater. Daemon hones in on Rhaenyra's issues with Alicent and together they have a great deal of fun openly mocking Alicent and her children, and what Daemon called the "lickspittles" who were in Alicent's camp. This works very well on Rhaenyra because of course it does! Daemon is the cool dragonriding uncle, the handsome Rogue Prince, and Rhaenyra is eating up the attention. She and Daemon have dragonraces and he tells her she's much prettier than Alicent and strokes that teenage ego. It's also at this point that the rumors about Daemon and Rhaenyra having a sexual relationship begin, and Daemon supposedly asks for Rhaenyra's hand in marriage because "who else would take her now?" Keep in mind, she's fourteen. And whether it's true or not, Viserys exiles Daemon again. He goes back to the Stepstones, and things settle down in King's Landing.

Of course the relationship between between Rhaenyra and her stepmother is bad by this point. Her and Daemon have just spent six months mocking her and her children and their supporters. Aegon is only about four or five years old, so the beef has got to be pretty one sided, although even little kids can tell when they're being given the cold shoulder or laughed at. Rhaenyra even makes a point of always referring to them as her half-brothers, rather than simply as her brothers. Still, a few years pass, Rhaenyra is now sixteen, and it's time for her to get married. Alicent proposes she marry Aegon, and one of the reasons she gives is that they don't get along well. "All the more reason to bind them together in marriage," Alicent says, acknowledging that Rhaenyra hating her now six year old younger brother is in fact a big fucking problem. If Alicent hoped for Rhaenyra and Aegon to marry, why on earth would she poison her children against Rhaenyra? But Viserys shoots this idea down, saying "the boy is Alicent's own blood. She wants him on the throne." And yes, of course she does, but she probably also wants him to stay alive.

So, Rhaenyra marries Laenor, and after that there's really no point in trying to maintain any sort of stepmother relationship, is there? Rhaenyra is now an adult, she's married, and she's made her feelings about Alicent and her siblings very clear. At this point, Alicent has to look out for the safety of her children, who are going to be Rhaenyra's biggest rivals. And if they dislike their older half-sister, who can blame them? Again, this is a girl who spent the better half of six months laughing at them. Rhaenyra did nothing but sabotage that relationship. And if Alicent decides she's going to fight for Aegon's inheritance, she's only doing what any mother in her position would do. There's no evidence she does it for power or greed, she simply does it because she doesn't owe Rhaenyra anything and letting someone who is actively hostile to her children take the throne unchallenged, especially when that person's claim is untraditional to say the least, and seen by many as being weaker than that of her sons, would be taking a huge risk with their lives. There's nothing "evil" in Alicent's actions. Book!Alicent did not bully Rhaenyra, did not "beef with a nine year old," or "poison her children against Rhaenyra," in fact, she did what she could to bind them together, but Rhaenyra, (at least in part taking her cues from Viserys and Daemon), was simply not interested. And you know, that's fine too, Rhaenyra doesn't have to love her stepmother or care about her half-brothers. They're much younger and it's natural that she wouldn't be much interested in them. But as heir to the throne? It sure would have been a much smarter idea to cultivate those relationships.

Book!Alicent isn't an "evil stepmother" though either, after a certain point she she simply prioritizes her own children over someone who has made it abundantly clear she has no use for any of them.

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THIS!

Also, Alicent had four children in a very quick succession

107 - Aegon

109 - Helaena

110 - Aemond

114 - Daeron

We don't know how her pregnancies went, tho Aemond seems premature (not fun for any mother, she must've been worried sick) and having 3 children within 4 year window definitely caused some issues. On top of that, she also had her duties as the Queen so I don't really think she had time to beef with Rhaenyra in general though for Rhaenyra herself it might've seemed different (she lost a mother, stopped being the only child, probably heard whispers about Aegon being made hair etc.) I think by the time Daemon came back she had no-one else to latch onto but him and I think Daemon used it.

Very interesting breakdown!

Personally I don't think Alicent was a saint, but the comments saying she was a normal noblewoman instead of an evil stepmother are spot on.

My view is that Alicent probably did make an effort with Rhaenyra at the beginning because there was no point in creating animosity. BUT. She did most likely come into the marriage with the (reasonable) expectation that her sons would be above Rhaenyra in the line of succession. And when that didn't happen & Viserys refused to budge, that created an unfriendly atmosphere and Alicent's side of the family started feeling swindled.

As Gwenllian points out, had Viserys made the terms clear from the very beginning, that no children born by his second wife would ever replace Rhaenyra as named heir, it's possible that Otto would not have proceeded with the marriage. This changes a lot of things, because basically the Hightowers' view becomes that Viserys is not respecting his marriage contract and is refusing to enact clauses they feel entitled to, based on law and precedent. Whereas Viserys kept quiet as a mouse and the Hightowers were ultimately faced with a fait accompli.

Something like this is always going to cause resentment and I think at this point Alicent would reasonably start to look at Rhaenyra as a potential danger to her own children, instead of an orphaned girl she nominally has under her care. So, this, to me, marks the point when Alicent would naturally develop an animosity towards the underage Rhaenyra and would probably start being colder / bitchier / spiteful (however you want to call it).

But even so, regardless of her personal feelings of disappointment or outrage or dislike towards her stepdaughter, her proposal of marrying Aegon to Rhaenyra was a way to settle this dispute diplomatically and make the best out of a bad situation. There's a 10-year difference between Aegon and Rhaenyra, less than in the show, not ideal by any means, but not impossible for them to maintain an amiable relationship and even produce children of their own in due time. In any case, it's a preferable scenario to fighting a civil war and getting each other killed in the process, alongside much of the population.

Why do you think Edward's got romantic feelings for Carlisle? And projecting on Bella?

(haven't read midnight sun)

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But for evidence, I present to you an excerpt, from CHAPTER ONE of Midnight Sun

For one short second, I was able to think clearly. In that precious instant, I saw two faces in my head, side by side.
One was mine, or rather had been: the red-eyed monster that had killed so many people that I’d stopped counting. I had been a killer of killers, a killer of other, less powerful monsters. It was a god complex, I acknowledged that—deciding who deserved a death sentence. It was a compromise with myself. I had fed on human blood, but only by the loosest definition. My victims were, in their various dark pastimes, barely more human than I was.
The other face was Carlisle’s.
There was no resemblance between the two faces. They were brightest day and blackest night.
There was no reason for a resemblance to exist. Carlisle was not my father in the basic biological sense. We shared no common features. The similarity in our coloring was a product of what we were, every vampire was corpse-pale. The similarity in the color of our eyes was another matter—a reflection of a mutual choice.
And yet, though there was no basis for a resemblance. I’d imagined that my face had begun to reflect his, to an extent, in the last seventy-odd years that I had embraced his choice and followed in his steps. My features had not changed, but it seemed to me as though some of his wisdom had marked my expression, a little of his compassion could be traced in the set of my mouth, and hints of his patience were evident on my brow.
All those tiny improvements were lost in the monster’s face. In a few moments, there would be nothing left in me that would reflect the years I’d spent with my creator, my mentor, my father in all the ways that counted. My eyes would glow red as a devil’s; all likeness would be lost forever.
In my head, Carlisle’s kind eyes did not judge me. I knew that he would forgive me for this horrible act. Because he loved me. Because he thought I was better than I was.
I would prove my father wrong about me. The misery of this fact hurt almost as much as the fire in my throat.

Presented by Edward "I have normal thoughts about my father and how I think his face is beautiful" Cullen, on why he should not murder all of Biology and Bella Swan today.

Shortly followed by two pages of blaming Bella for being delicious because then Carlisle won't love him anymore.

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Don't be ridiculous. Those are completely normal thoughts to have about your dad.

"[Candles] were all aglow, reflecting warm and yellow against Carlisle’s smooth cheek. He smiled widely.

Merry Christmas, Edward.

I realized with a bit of embarrassment that my great accomplishment, my solo expedition, had been merely a ruse. And then I was glad again to think that Carlisle trusted my control so much that he’d been willing to send me off on a sham trial in order to surprise me this way.

“Thank you, Carlisle,” I responded quickly. “And a merry Christmas to you.”

Truthfully, I wasn’t sure how I felt about the gesture. It seemed… somehow juvenile [...] I felt too old for this display, but at the same time, touched that Carlisle would try to give me this, a momentary return to my former joys."

On imprinting. PART 3 : Jacob and Renesmee. If you have read Muffin and Vinelle 's posts I think you know that it may not be natural(Renesmee has an extra gift). Does this mean that Renesmee can/has to make babies with Jacob? I don't think that hybrids are fertile( ie. mules, different number of chromosomes etc). Let's assume she is. Will the Cullens be ok with this? What if she refuses? Does he kidnap her to La Push? Will she run away? Does she kills him and blames the Volturi?

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Building off parts 1 and 2 of the original ask,

I would say that Renesmee most likely can make babies with Jacob, but I don't think (as per canon lore) she necessarily has to. Given Stephenie Meyer's penchant for neatly wrapped Happy Endings, I think you're right to assume that Renesmee would magically defy common biological rules about hybrid reproduction and that she could (and inevitably would) bear healthy children someday down the line.

Now, if Renesmee and Jacob weren't written by Stephenie Meyer... (*wistful sigh*)

I'm not sure Renesmee would, in fact, want to have kids with Jacob. As a child prodigy, I'm guessing she would pick up on the fact that something is Off about Jacob and the imprinting system in general pretty quickly--and given that a. she seems to learn/think more quickly than most humans and b. that shapeshifters retain their humanity, I think that (as per Muffin and Vinelle's stories) Renesmee would quickly become bored hanging out with Jacob. She seems more wired towards interacting with vampires or other human-vampire hybrids...and naturally, given the imprint, this arrangement would quickly become a problem.

Since we don't know much about Renesmee in canon, either, I'm not quite sure how she would attempt to solve it (especially since there's a certain nosy mind-reader in the house). She might reach out to Carlisle for help, as he's self-disciplined enough to keep thought-secrets from Edward and is the most scientifically and supernaturally knowledgeable member of the household--and if Carlisle couldn't come up with any anti-imprint solution himself, he could also call up his old "BFF" in Volterra, Italy who is arguably even more knowledgeable (and has similarly knowledgeable people within arm's reach). Of course, at that point (since Edward has some weirdly sensitive Anti-Aro Alarms), the pair would likely be found out, and the imprint's ticking time bomb would explode in their face.

This is when, I think, Jacob might dramatically (and toxically) double down on the imprint and Renesmee might (try to) resort to violence to escape it--depending on how everyone else in the Cullen household reacts to Renesmee not loving Jacob Like That, of course. In Vinelle's "Bleach on the Brain" (as you may or may not know), slight spoiler alert, no one reacts well, so... Renesmee would likely have to get Very, Very Creative to succeed. She can't beat a full vampire in a fight, let alone multiple at a time, and she can't outrun them either, so she would need at least one vampire in the house on her side--and Carlisle would already be on Edward Watch (especially if he did reach out to Aro), so she'd have to be operating at prime prodigy level and a lot of stars would have to align for her to be free of the imprint without any supernatural solution.

What, exactly, this success story would look like...? I'm not sure. But I am sure that @therealvinelle and @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta would have more to say on the subject...

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See, I'm a bit less optimistic about Nessie being able to realize things are wrong. She has no exposure to the real world (Edward mentions in MS that when Bella would have kids, she would keep her children from watching bad movies, clearly Nessie won't know a thing about consent or grooming), and raw processing power (intelligence), isn't the same as wisdom or common sense. Nessie essentially grows up in a cult, and most people who grow up in cults don't make it out, especially without outside influence.

In all likelyhood, Nessie and Jacob end up romantically involved (Nessie has no idea she what people normally feel when they get in a relationship), a few Cullens react negatively, but Edward convinces them it's okay.

Anonymous asked:

I have Congenital Insensitivity to Pain, or CIP. Which more or less means I cant feel pain at all. I can break my leg and still try to walk on it not knowing its broken at all, ect. I wondered then if a vampire bit someone with cip if they would even feel the venom burning though them at all.

Well, anon, you sound much more informed than I do. My guess would be no, as what we feel from pain is signals sent through our nervous system. If that system is compromised, then I can't imagine why you would feel this pain when you wouldn't in any other situation.

Followers, anyone want to chime in?

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At some point, the venom will probably repair the nerves or the receptor part of the brain so she eventually will feel the pain, since venom very clearly affects the nervous system (the senses change, different sorts of pain appear).

The problem with the show's Northern Plot

It amazes me how replacing Sansa’s Vale plot with the Northern plot has fucked over every one of the Stark siblings.

The Northern plot of the books encompasses Jeyne Poole’s story, the North actually remembering, Stannis rallying it’s lords, Davos going to find Rickon, armies marching for “Ned’s little girl”, Jon’s personal connections with Ramsay and dying to save Arya…. all of which was wrapped into Sansa’s mishmash of a plot in s5-7.

And god did that screw everything up for the Starks.

I mean on Sansa’s side she loses her entire training arc. Post ASoS/s3-4 is so clearly the “training montage” phase for the Starklings preparing them for the next stage of their journey. (Which makes sense with the original 5 year jump). Bran’s training with the 3 Eyed Raven, Arya with the Faceless Men and Jon with the Night’s Watch as Lord Commander. Cutting out Sansa’s Vale plot means skipping the part where she actually learns things – politics, manipulation, “playing the game”, even running a freaking household – in favour of being abused for yet another season.

Sure D&D still gave her all those skills – and more – in s6 and 7. But all that ended up doing was raise criticisms of Sansa being a Mary Sue and that she was pulling all these random abilities out of a hat. How is Sansa this amazing politician? Why should she be Lady of WF with no experience? How does she know how to prepare WF for winter? Or lead all the Northern lords? Why is she the only person who knows how to design armour?

Which leads on to the screwing over of all the other Starks roles. Putting Sansa in the North has completely undermined all her sibling’s importance to the Northern plot. What’s more, D&D removed attachments Jon, Arya, Bran and Rickon have to the North and Winterfell, while increasing Sansa’s despite her having the least in the books.  

Because, and I can’t believe this is still a debate, in the books Sansa was always the least Northern and most Southern of all her siblings. That’s not an insult or implying she’s lesser because of it. That’s how her character was designed.

Let’s play Which of these characters is the most logical to become ruler of Winterfell and the North:

a) The Builder: Every-Stark-generation-must-have-a-Bran, training in ancient Northern magic basically, been in the North the whole time, was actually taught how to rule WF as it’s lord, was “the Stark in WF”, knows parts of WF that no one else does and literally compares himself with it, trueborn son, warg, wolf living.

b) Literal Queen of the Wolves: Only trueborn child to inherit the Stark look, her wolf/other half leading a giant pack, has the most wolf imagery/association of all the Starklings, has “the wolf blood” refers to people as her pack, Northerners marching in her name, has casual chats with the old gods, dislikes the South and Southern ways, constantly meeting and helping Northeners on her journey, warg, wolf living. 

c) Lord Commander: Spent the whole time in the North, had a ton of leadership training, serving Northern institution, alliances with Wildings, inherited the Stark look, warg, wolf living.

d) The Lady: Learned Southern ways and Southern politics, married off to a Southerner, struck out of succession, few references/connections to the North,  no warg, dead wolf. 

I mean really, how is this a discussion.

But in the show, Sansa is the one who returns first, gets speeches about how Winterfell is her home, persuades Jon to retake their home, attempts to rally the Northerners, kills Ramsay, gets a shit ton of focus as Lady of Winterfell and negotiates with the Northern lords. Her Southern connections, Robb striking her out his will and even as far back as her actions betraying Ned to Cersei are removed.

Meanwhile her siblings…

Rickon – Plot with Davos searching for him to rally the Northern lords? Gone. Rickon is a pawn to get Sansa and Jon to face Ramsay and killed off.

Bran – Intimately connected with Winterfell and still clinging to his identity? The significance of having the Stakiest of Stark names? References to his place as heir to WF? Gone. Bran of the show is a living google search bar, largely it seems to justify why Sansa remains Lady of WF/Ruler of the North when he rocks up again.  

Arya – Jesus christ where to start. “The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives,” Jeyne Poole posing as her, the Northern lords rallying for ‘Ned’s little girl’? Even further back, every Northener she meets along her journey, her warging abilities, link with Nymeria, her taking on Northern justice of passing the sentence/swinging the sword and her conversation with the actual old gods of the North? Gone. But Sansa gets the lone wolf line, passes judgement, reclaiming WF, leading the charge against Ramsay.

Jon – Implication he was made Robb’s heir, his personal hatred of Ramsay because of Arya, dying because he tried to save Arya from Ramsay? Gone. Yes he was made KitN but in a way that made him look like a dick and to get the audience on Sansa’s side thanks to her moving with no justification because Sansa was in the North instead of the Vale and they removed Robb’s will which would give Jon justification. Instead of working against Ramsay to rescue Arya, it’s connected to Sansa and what Sansa suffered at Ramsay’s hands.

Also, the general fact that Sansa sets up home base at Winterfell with all its people…. while Arya and Bran just get welcomed home by her then fade into the background so she can get on with being ruler of Winterfell.

Not only does is all the pack/family emphasis of the Starks go to Sansa but she’s acknowledged as the leader as well. Which utterly undermines the rest of the Starkling’s abilities, characterization and importance.

Now, obviously not every removal of Jon, Arya, Bran and Rickon’s Northern connections was because of Sansa. But it’s pretty damn obvious that D&D weakened all of their significance to prop up Sansa. Because apparently her actual plot wrapped up in the South and politics and the game wasn’t good enough.  

So, when people ask why I get pissed off at the idea of Sansa as QITN? Because D&D had to take down every single one of her more Northern-leaning siblings to justify her getting that position.

Anonymous asked:

So Stiles in Scott's pack again? He says "Okay". That's it? Their relationship is nice again?!

Grown up relationships are bizarre, we will work with someone who betrayed us, hurt us, and smile whilst we are doing it but they are not our friends, not any more

had you been in stiles position would you forgive him - even for your own mental health, or would you swallow your pride and work with him because the alternative is Parrish’s vision, bodies piled on bodies piled on bodies

Stiles hasn’t forgiven him, watch the way he moves, the way he rejects the symbol of the pack - he draws it but then says “he hates the tattoo”, he manipulates Scott into the realisation he already knew. He needed a heavy hitter, and Scott was the only one left, this is a reprieve, and then it’s going to go BOOM! again, it’s a band aid over the chasm, no work has been done to fix it, it’s needing each other, but not even close to forgiving each other

remember no one has corrected Scott about how Donovan ACTUALLY died, this is scott thinking he’s working with someone who smashed another person’s skull in, not just killed but did so long past the point of explanation, and Stiles knows Scott doesn’t trust him - he’s proved it over and over

now imagine what happens when the truth about donovan comes out, when scott’s amazing act of mercy - accepting stiles despite the rage that caused him to kill - turns out to be that he was wrong - he gets that he shouldn’t have trusted theo (although he hasn’t admitted culpability yet) but that doesn’t mean dismissing all that he has told him.

Scott’s nature is I am so munificent, look at how merciful i am, i am forgiving you (or at least overlooking) what happened ot donovan - now imagine what happens when he realises his act of mercy, his wonderful gift, is him in the wrong.

A fic writer put the best line about Scott which I will paraphrase. It’s easy to forgive when you’re not the one hurt, and in doing so it’s easy to appear merciful. He appears to be a forgiving god, but the twins didn’t hurt him, Deucalion didn’t hurt him, neither really did Jennifer, and Kate, it wasn’t him that let her get away, but Peter - PEter hurt him and he’s never shown him an ounce of mercy

let’s see how he treats Theo now. 

And let’s see how he reacts when he realises his mercy wasn’t a mercy at all - when he was the one that received the same “mercy” he offers

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I’m curious as to how Scott “didn’t show Peter mercy”. After Peter was brought back from the dead, Scott didn’t react to the guy who Bit him at all, largely ignoring him. Even after Peter tried to kill him again in Season 4, Scott didn’t kill Peter, or hurt him beyond subduing him - he just put Peter in Eichen House, and even up to Season 5, still thinks there might be some good in Peter. For all that we all hate Eichen House, it’s still a better option than just killing Peter.

Danny vs. Q, Danny as Q...

I’m conflicted… After recently watching both Spectre AND London Spy (both with Ben Whishaw), I really wanted to join in on the whole ‘London Spy is a story of how Danny became Q’ kind of train wreck of thought. Like… it fits so perfectly.

Except for one glaring flaw. Ben Whishaw does such a good job of bringing such depth to Danny (let’s face it, he didn’t have much air time as Q although he does a damn good job with what he did have)… I just cannot see Q and Danny as the same person. 

It’s a testament to Ben Whishaw’s amazing acting skills of course. I’ve mentioned before that the dialogue for this series is written in the acting. And Ben Whishaw tells us plenty beautifully. And it would take some heavy mental massaging and story rewrapping to shape the character Danny into someone like Q.

So I find myself at crossroads on how to write this potential Danny turned Q character, because it’d be rather irking to me to hand wave such a blatant mashing of two completely different characters that have absolutely nothing in common except for looks and the involvement with MI6.

And they really are so different.

Danny is/was a relatively trusting, optimistic romantic who has committed many mistakes in the past, and has learned from them. He’s smart, but more in the street way and is way out of his depth when it comes to power play and politics. He loves openly and generously, and has a tenacity and determination that gets you fired up. 

Q on the other hand (we have less insight on), is a bit more reserved, analytical, probably either a pessimist or realist, and has been humbled by his mistakes. He’s smart in the technology way… but certainly not the street way. If he knows who to talk to for information, it would probably be via hacking in somewhere. And he’s probably not the type to show feelings too easily, able to hide them behind sarcastic remarks and wit.

So in the end, they can both be stubborn, intelligent, have made mistakes in the past… but Danny loves too openly despite showing all the signs of a guy who knows his way first hand around the crummy edges of society, whereas Q is cautious, collected and reserved, able to hide his true feelings, and has a level of sophistication that implies he grew up in the well-off part of society.

And thus my conflict: If I want to stay 100% true to each character, there’s no way I can write a crossover fic. However, if I really want to write this, then it means I better come up with a damn good character development story. 

You don’t go from open-hearted ‘street rat’ to reserved and sophisticated without explaining it.

tl;dr I feel like I’m not doing these two very different characters justice if I try to mold them into the same character for sake of fan fiction. :/

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Anonymous asked:

Perhaps a tiny london spy drabble like a moment from their life aafter the fix-it fic. Marriage, children or just something ordinary, please. You write them so well.

I know you said a London Spy drabble, but an idea for a Revival drabble popped into my head, so I wrote that (still Danny/Alex, though!)

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Alex creates a list of short-term goals. First, he upgrades the cabin generator so that it can power a washer and dryer. Before Danny joined him, he had been periodically driving into town to do his laundry, but the life of a nomadic bachelor no longer suits him, and he is newly concerned with transforming the cabin into a proper home.

(After the trip to the town clerk, they were officially married. Alex remembers feeling surprised that such a hugely momentous thing, marrying Danny, could be accomplished in under an hour. Then he turned to look at Danny, who was smiling, his eyes wet with tears, and forgot to feel cheated).

So, indeed, Danny is his husband now, and as such he should enjoy all the accouterments of a married life, including access to a washer and dryer.

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A Heliotrope By Any Other Name

Alex has a routine. It’s a good routine. It gets him out of bed and en route to work at the perfect time every morning. He passes the same buildings, the same cars. It’s comforting, the pattern of it all.
But this morning, Alex turns onto his usual street at his usual time and is confronted with a wall of flowers.
As he hesitates in the middle of the street, wondering what the hell a florist is doing in the middle of his route to work, a young man emerges from inside, carrying a small arrangement of flowers.
“Oh!” he says brightly. “Hello!”

For @a-forger-and-a-point-man, who sent me this post tonight and said, thoughts on danny becoming a florist?

Forger, this is all your fault. Such sickening fluff. *shudders*

Read on AO3.

oh my god this is so beautiful. nobody writes danny and alex like mousie!!!!!

ALL OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN YOURS: Why "Game of Thrones" Makes Me So Angry (and Should Make You Angry Too)

I originally posted this on my Facebook page for the benefit of some of my show-apologist “friends”, and in light of GoT winning a RECORD-BREAKING amount of Emmys tonight, I figured I would post it here in case anyone else has the need to explain to the uninformed in their circles why the events of tonight were so unfathomably ridiculous. Enjoy…(?)

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