btw don't want to leave it unsaid but a large part of why 'don't be mean to men!' is an effective attack on feminism
is specifically because. a large part of the social conditioning of both men and women is centred on it being really important to respect men
in terms of historical gender construction: where women are allowed personhood, it's contingent on it not being oppositional to men's. you may be independent while waiting to be told what to do, or if it's aligned with what men want you to do, but you're not capable of adequate independent thought for your decisions not to be outweighed by men's decisions.
the Gender Crime feminists are committing is not dropping their insistence on being people when men are unhappy about it. and men will be unhappy about it because Men. as a class not necessarily as individuals. have a specific vested interest in maintaining a relationship with Women where their opinions and wants are consistently prioritised.
Men, as a class, are in an oppressive relationship with Women, as a class. Part of the definition of Men as a class is that they have mastery over women.
That doesn't mean that men individually necessarily have or use full access to that power. Part of maintaining Men as a class is rigid gender policing and internal hierarchy, and this class dynamic intersects with other class dynamics. And men do have individual agency.
You can be refused access to the full class of Man, and be treated instead as a partial or failed man and punished for gender failure. You can be a Man, but be a Black Man or a Disabled Man or a Poor Man etc and be simultaneously handed power over Women while Women who are White or Abled or Rich are handed power over you, such that you can only really exercise power downwards.
And you can also. be a class traitor. it's an option and one that you're more likely to take if you have your own experiences with misogyny or gender deviance or meaningful equal relationships with Women. but like. that doesn't erase the nature of the class relationship, and it is an active choice that is significantly helped by recognising the underlying class systems.
you'll note nowhere in there am I saying men don't suffer, or that we should actively be seeking to hurt men. the usual position painted as 'man-hating feminism' imo is just saying. maybe it matters As Much how Women feel about a thing as how Men do.
which it does. because women are people.
