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I don't know enough to criticize how it was executed in the game, but the concept that Maya is evil now doesn't sit well with me for reasons I can't quite articulate.

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To be fair, only one Maya is evil: The Conductor.

All other Mayas are fine. It was the point of much of Echoes, that specific cirumstances that led to the Conductor only happened that one time, and all other iterations of Maya are not only normal and good, but also explicitly against the Conductor and working with us to stop her.

I highly recommend checking out the Desert Perpetual raid quest and dialogues. It heavily focuses on one of the Mayas teased at the end of Echoes who was looking for a Chioma - not her Chioma either, a different one entirely. This Maya's Chioma was killed by the Conductor and this Maya simply found another and fell in love all over again, but they got separated. They reunite in the raid and lead us through it and help us the whole time. The raid lore book even has a page showing us the Conductor meeting with one of the Mayas and the Maya is very much displeased with the Conductor, to say the least.

It's probably because it's in the raid and a lot of people missed it, which is also why I like highlighting it, but the stuff about Maya and Chioma in there are, to me, genuinely one of the best things they did with that whole storyline. To have such an explicit and direct way to differentiate between Maya and the Conductor, and also to end it all with Maya and Chioma reuniting and finally being together again. It means so much to me that after all these years, the original Destiny couple, the OG wives, are together again. That they essentially transcended death and that, no matter which versions of them they are, and where they are, they always go back together.

I hope this helps at least a little! Because I do genuinely think that a lot of issues with this is that most of the details and developments behind it are simply not known, and partially due to the fact that a lot of it is in a raid.

#destiny 2#maya#chioma#and on top of that we know how fandoms feel about wlw content#i feel like i'm going insane about there not being more content about maya and chioma#they are literally back together and helping us fight the vex and the conductor#where are three thousand art pieces about them#where are the fics#absolutely insane yuri is going on and nobody knows#two science wives are going through the vex network figuring out how to fight one of the wives' evil doppleganger? hello
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Anonymous asked:

Do we have any info on why Maya is now allied with Red Legion in the Ash and Iron update?

She's pulling them from another timeline and using the yoke to command them, like the Vex. It's because her grip on the Echo is slowly failing and the Vex are beginning to resist her command, so she was forced to find others to command. From the starting mission of Ash and Iron:

Ana Bray: This unit has a callsign dating back to the Red War — Ghaul’s elite. They were here the day the Tower fell. Saint-14: They are wearing devices… The Yoke of Control! Maya Sundaresh, the Conductor, controls this Legion! Ana Bray: That’s impossible… Something isn’t right. Saint-14: Vex working in coordination with the Red Legion. Maya’s influence grows with the day. Ana Bray: She has access to the entire Vex network. She must have found another timeline where the Red Legion are still around and yanked them into ours.
#destiny 2#maya#ask
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Loaded into the epic raid alone to see if there's any lore I could get alone and there is! Beacon you can activate at the start, same as normal raid, but with different voice lines:

One of the normal beacons you can usually grab during the quest in the transition sections between encounters has some sort of vexy artifacting around it and when you click it, it says "interference disrupts the simulations" and then you have to find 3 different Vex shapes (cubes or diamonds) to shoot somewhere in the environment. If you get them all, it says "simulations bound" and it gives voice lines. I got this in the transition to Wyvern:

I'm going to die fr. It's Osiris and Saint. I believe this is referring to what they said back in Echoes saying that they will be exploring the Vex Net with Failsafe to figure out where the Conductor went and what she's doing. They may still be on it, exploring?

Before the Wyvern boss:

Transition to Hydra:

Gay women!

Before the Hydra boss:

Hm.

Transition to Hobgoblin:

Before the Hobgoblin boss:

This is all I could do without actually doing the encounters. I assume there's something before the final boss and possibly at the end, but I haven't done the epic raid yet and those things can't be activated in this way.

Yuri and Vex enjoyers stay winning.

#destiny 2#the desert perpetual raid#maya#chioma#long post#spent an hour loding in and out and back in to activate all of this#found the extra beacons in transition by complete accident and then spent a while figuring out how they work
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Anonymous asked:

Wait, is Maya the one who killed III in the first place? I assumed something else killed it first, then after Drifter used the haul & bought it back, May tried controlling it and killed it again in the process

Yep, Maya killed it in the first place. The cutscene we see with Maya is a flashback that III gives Lodi so we understand what happened. The Haul allowed us to get III to show us and talk to us one last time through Lodi.

From the raid quest:

And the raid lore book The Immanent chronicles the Conductor's work since her escape on Nessus and prior to our arrival to Kepler. The final page is about her killing III. Basically, she kept looking for a way to go back to her "Golden Age" and eventually discovered the Nine and realised that she may be able to command them to do her bidding. But unfortunately, that's not how it works so when III told her that it can't do what she wants, she killed it.

#destiny 2#maya#the nine#ask
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tropicalscream asked:

gotta say im loving how Maya Sunderesh is being used. Like her introduction was a bit awkward and clunky in execution imo

(not the lore just the kinda non ending of Echoes, but grantee u was burnt out during Echoes sk thats probably coloring my opinion)

BUT! that being said im happy Bungie finally cracked the code in giving the Vex a villain leader with personality that we can interact with and have lore around and like ya know actually be a character without removing what makes the Vex so interesting to begin with

I unfortunately wont be able to do the new raid. my clan seems to of taken a break (i also haven't gotten to do Edge kf Salvation) ao idk where her story goes but i like how shes a threat to even god level characters

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I love Maya and everything about her and also the fact that the whole introduction (or re-introduction) goes all the way to Spire of the Watcher which led into Lightfall and Neomuna and brought back these characters (Maya and Chioma primarily) into the game.

Echoes is and will remain to be my favourite episode and I know a lot of people had an issue with the ending, but I loved it. Not only did it make sure that Maya wouldn't be just quickly dealt with which meant that we'd continue getting Maya content (which I still want more of, I hope she sticks around for as long as some others), it added, to me, a great deal of mystery and power to her existence.

She's such a unique entity, steeped in all of her knowledge about Vex simulations and the Veil and armed with a paracausal artifact through which she communes with an ancient alien being whose entire species went extinct. Her ending up almost completely unfazed by our attacks at the end of Echoes and seamlessly melding with the radiolaria was the best possible finish to Echoes to me. She can just do that! Her controlling the Vex to this extent and messing with the realms of the Nine and the Nine themselves is outrageously cool.

I'm living for updates on Maya and Vex stuff!! They really good and some of the most engaging antagonists to me. I'm enjoying all of it and how strangely unnerving it is because it doesn't appear directly big, but it might have long term goals that ARE big. Because the Vex are like that.

#destiny 2#maya#vex#ask
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monroejigsaw asked:

OMG HI OK...SO i watched a video about the lore of the raid...and i forget the exact context on how to find the line, but I THINK I MIGHT BE RIGHT ABOUT THE CONDUCTOR THAT IS MAYA NOT BEING THE ORIGINAL MAYA....because eventually .87 Maya asks .50 Chioma why she's not more disgusted at her because of what the Conductor has done and she reassures her that she is not that Maya nor is she anything like her, BUT THEN SHE SAYS something like "I know she can't be the real you..."she's too tall"

AND THEN I REMEMBERED YOUR POST OF DRAWINGS YOU DID OF THE TWO OF THEM AND HOW I EXPECTED MAYA TO BE TALLER THAN CHIOMA AND YOU EXPLAINED SHE WAS SHORTER!

GIF by pxlatedtraveler

apologies if im unintentionally parroting anything here you might've already posted about, but the more raid lore i learn the red string and push pins keep piling up lol

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eiramew answered:

Yeah, I think I can pride myself in being pretty accurate with my Maya/conductor lore knowledge :) that's all I think about every day so I've researched her/them extensively ^^

Yeah, I've said the conductor wasn't the "real" Maya pretty much since echoes came out, and the height detail is a nice touch too. I think Ikora also mentioned that "a copy of Maya" grabbed the echo of command when briefing Lodi, so it's pretty clear the conductor isn't the real "real" Maya Sundaresh. We know the real Maya and the real chioma entered the vexnet but I think we still haven't found them yet.

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This is something that interests me too, and I've been thinking more about it recently.

I've personally interpreted this bit with the Conductor's height as the Conductor simply choosing to make her new body be taller. But now I'm curious.

This is primarily because of the Mind-Body lore tab which I've always seen as a confirmation that the Conductor is the real Maya; purely because she talks about how she "entered the Veil" and then went into the Vex Net through it. Specifically, for easier access:

What a thrill! Every aspect will fascinate her; entering the Veil felt like an existential disrobing, the willing extraction of my self from my matter, shedding my body as a slip and diving into an infinite well of collective thought. She will marvel at how I was able to survive, buoyed by countless threads of connection and universal consciousness, how I rode the wave aloft, kept me constant, my self as my own, to stand separate and singular from the gravity of the immeasurable collective. She'll be so proud. She'll come with me a second time. We'll dive through worlds together, loved and beloved. Neptune can wait. I left the reach of the Veil's threads when I collided with the familiar angles of the Vex network… didn't I? Yes, I did.

This links directly to Veil Logs, where Chioma confirmed that she found Maya dead in the Veil Containment room "in the conductor's chair," doing something unknown. Which to me implied that Maya was doing her final experiments with the Veil and her own consciousness and phased through into the Vex Net. Real Maya died communing with the Veil and using it to enter the Network, then woke up later inside the Network, began searching for Chioma, made herself a body and started her attempts at commanding the Vex (which culminated in her getting the Echo and becoming the Conductor).

Real Chioma also confirmed in Veil Logs that she contacted the Vex and was ready to go, in search of her Maya in the Vex Net. And of course, Echoes concluded with us hearing that the Conductor!Maya did find her own Chioma, but discarded her, thinking she's not the real one.

But I'm curious if it's possible that there's something else going on. Primarily, if the Conductor isn't the real Maya (the Maya Sundaresh that ended up on Neomuna in our time), then what would that part of Mind-Body lore tab mean? Unless some other copy of her could also have somehow shared that experience with the Veil, I'm not sure how that would factor into the Conductor not being the real Maya (mostly because the Veil Log about Maya's death and the lore tab about the Conductor waking up correlate).

#destiny 2#maya#chioma#long post

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