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It's weird how the word cryptid has replaced monster.

Moth Man

Loch Less Monster = Monster is right in the title.

Big Foot

Jersey Devil

Rougarou = It's literally a werewolf. Loup-Garoup (French for werewolf) got distorted by Louisiana Cajuns and the werewolf of the bayou became "Rougarou."

Spring heeled Jack

The Jangly man

The black eyed children

I know some cryptids might just be undiscovered species (what the word was originally meant for) but if you believe in them doesn't that fit most monsters?

It's almost as if a bunch of monsters gathered together a decade or so ago and decided that "Monster" was offensive. They want to be called cryptids now.

The Vampire Lestat has declared himself a Cryptid American. :-P

There's an annoying "Then and now" "W.T.F. Happened?!" meme about monsters. It's out dated by at LEAST ten years (mostly anti-Twilight. You can Google it.) but it keeps getting replies whining about "wokeness." So here's a more updated version.

The only reason I didn't use the new Nosferatu for the vampire is because it's not out yet and we don't have very many great non-shadowed pictures of the new Count Orlok yet.

Also I didn't use Elphaba for the witch because 1. I really liked Agatha all along. And 2. Some might argue that she doesn't count since her look is modeled after the 30s wizard of Oz movie. Some might say that for Count Orlok too.

That Wolfman is actually the animatronic from Universal's new Epic Universe Dark Universe expansion.

The Zombie is from Asylum's 2024 movie, Monster Mash, really low budget but fun. The vampire is Abigail. The face hugger is from Alien: Romulus.

In honor of the current trend in horror fandom circles of classic monster Mashups here's a list of my favorite depiction of all the classic monsters. Disclaimer: This list is subject to change based on my mood. _____________________________ Dracula - Tied between Gary Oldman as Dracula in Bram Stoker's Dracula and Frank Langella in Dracula (1979) original theatrical coloring preferred. TV Dracula - Castlevania. __________________________ Frankenstein's Monster The 2004 Halmark mini-series of Frankenstein starring Luke Goss. It's the most faithful to the book. _____________________________ Werewolf The Company of Wolves. And if that one is too surreal than The Wolfman (original 1941 version). TV werewolf- Tie between George in the UK version of Being Human and Randi in She-Wolf of London. __________________________ Mummy

Christopher Lee in Hammer's version of The Mummy and (weirdly) the one from Asylum's Monster Mash. He reminds me of N'kantu AKA Living Mummy from Marvel comics.

________________________ Invisible Man Claude Rains or the lesser known Memoirs of an Invisible Man _____________________ Creature from the black Lagoon / aquatic creature The Asset from The Shape of Water and Abe Sapien from Hellboy (2004) _____________________

Witch: The Sanderson Sisters in Hocus Pocus. Katrina Van Tassel in Sleepy Hollow (1999 movie). _____________________ Sorcerer: Faust in the 1926 silent film Faust and Dr. Craven in The Raven (1963) ______________________________ Ghost: Captain Greg from The Ghost and Mrs. Muir and Patrick Stewart as The Canterville Ghost (1996) ________________________________ Zombie: R from Warm Bodies and Billy from Hocus Pocus. (There aren't too many zombies with distinct personalities). ______________________ Ghoul: Billy Cole from Fright Night (Original 1985 version) ___________________________ Headless Horseman: The Hessian in Sleepy Hollow (1999 movie). __________________ Mad scientist: Dr. Moreau in The Island of Doctor Moreau (1977 version.) _________________ Dark fae: Maleficent in the movie Maleficent.

The Monster U.N.

It has occured to me that you can essentially make a United Nations of various monsters (or types of monsters).

Disclaimer: I am not trying to diminish any rich cultural heritage with varied and diverse folklore.  I’m just picking what are probably the most well known monstrous creatures of the folklore and legends of these cultures and countries for a list of a monster UN, with one type of monster (or possibly two) representing various countries or regions). Rules for this post.  It has to be a creature that people actually believed in (or currently believe in) to a widespread capacity so I probably won’t be listing The Vampire Lestat for Louisiana or Daleks for England or Godzilla for Japan.   ___________________________________  

England = Ghosts and Goblins and imps.  Including but not limited to Redcaps and other dark fae.

Ireland = Leprechaun and Faeries AKA Sidhe (Pronounced shee) which also include the Banshee. Faeries, especially dark fae. (cultural overlap with England and Scotland with slight differences varying.)  And Jack O’Lantern (origin for the modern Jack-o-lantern.  A particular wandering ghost.)

Scotland = Loch Ness monster and dark fae.

Nepal = Yeti  

Germany = Werewolves and the demon named Mephistopheles AKA Mephisto (origin: The legend of Faust.)

France = Gargouille (Gargoyle.  Monster that actually protects against evil).

Italy = Strega (Witch)  Greece = Minotaur and Medusa and Lamia

Norway = Svartálfar  (Black elves / Dark Elves or as Dungeons and Dragons calls them. Drow) / and Jötunn (Giants). Netherlands:  (non-Disney) vicious mermaids   Austria / Bavaria / Iceland = Krampus    Romania = Eastern European vampires (I know this isn’t entirely accurate but they exploit the fictional version of Dracula heavily for tourism purposes.)   In actual folklore terms like Moroi are used and no, the meaning is NOT the same as how it’s used in Vampire academy.    

Russia (and Eastern Europe) = Baba Yaga  Russia (Hebrew) = The Corpse Bride (actual folktale, not the Tim Burton film.) Japan = Yōkai (animal-like monsters.  Demons is an inaccurate translation), and  Kuchisake-onna (Slit mouthed woman), Tenome (basis for The Pale man in Pan’s Labyrinth). 

China = Dragons

Middle Eastern / Islamic (multiple countries) = Djinn Czech Republic (Hebrew) = Golem

Egypt / North Africa = Resurrected mummy and various unresting dead (predating the Karloff movie.)

Africa (Southern Gold Coast) = Anansi (Spider trickster deity)   

Haiti = Zombie (Not brain eating or plague-like.)  North America:  

Algonquian-speaking First Nations in North America = Wendigo 

Navajo = yee naaldlooshii (Skinwalker) New York = The headless Horseman (Tarrytown /  Sleepy Hollow) and various other ghosts and haunted places. Connecticut = Ghosts.  Vermont / New York = Champ (Lake monster of Lake Champlain)

New England ( Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut ) = (Dracula novel-esque) vampires (Source: “The Great New England vampire panic.”) Massachusetts = Witches  New Jersey = Jersey Devil Louisiana (and France) = Loup-Garou (French word for werewolf)  New Mexico = Roswell aliens 

 México = El Chupacabra

White Godzilla fans...

I think ALOT of White people like Godzilla/Kaiju movies because it gives them a sense of schadenfreude seeing Japan and other parts of Asia in a state of disaster.

They see themselves in either Godzilla or other monsters laying waste to that part of the world.

Through Godzilla and other Kaiju movies, they can relive Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the carpet bombing of Korea, the administration of agent orange in Vietnam, the suppression of Phillipine resistance….

The Japanese are processing collective trauma, their complicated relationship with nuclear power, ongoing United States military presence, tradition vs. “progress,” and other things through Kaiju movies…

White Americans aren’t here for that, though.

Basically we should be as suspicious of White Godzilla fans as we are of White Punisher fans.

-D

You could also choose to not be racist. Ever thought of that?

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shelltoon

The Japanese are processing collective trauma, their complicated relationship with nuclear power, ongoing United States military presence, tradition vs. “progress,” and other things through Kaiju movies…

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sanyawaffles

has it ever occurred to OP that perhaps we just enjoy seeing Godzilla/Kajiu movies because they’re awesome, even the more cheesy ones?

It ain’t that deep, fam.

Yes, most of us don’t care if it’s Tokyo or New York, or London.    We don’t watch the aliens rampaging through London on Doctor Who because we secretly hate the Brits.

God, I hate Tumbr, sometimes.

 It takes racism to come up with a theory like this.  Racism and a lack of knowledge about the history of Kajiu movies and why they appeal all over the world.  It takes some deep seeded issues to come up with a theory like that and I have to wonder about YOUR reasoning and thoughts when watching creature features.

Tell me, did you experience schadenfreude when watching Angel Grove get trampled on Power Rangers?

Also are you somehow unaware that for about 80% of the Godzilla movies he was actually the hero protecting Japan from other invading monsters.  

Your analysis is like assuming you like Dracula movies because you want to watch women victimized or you like werewolf movies because you want to watch people torn to shreds.   If you are that twisted in your “interpretation” of monster movies, you must be truly awful to Universal Monster movie fans at Halloween. 

Here, let me help you mix that kool-aid. 

 “People like the Mummy because they hate North Africans.”   “People like Dracula because they hate women.”   “People like the wolfman because he’s a predator and it therefore it represents rape culture!”   “People like haunted house movies because they hate happy families.” ”People secretly like murder mysteries because they want to commit murder.” ”People like Tales from the Crypt because they are sadists who want the villains to win.” 

None of these are true, by the way.  But these sort of reasonings and guilt mongerings have been used to shame horror fans for decades.  Why do people (all people, not just white) like Godzilla?

It can’t possibly because we like the unique designs and powers of the monsters.  It can’t possibly because of a child-like wonder at seeing strange and unusual creatures battling each other and the fun in the campy special effects and designs taken seriously by the characters.  It can’t possibly be the deliciously cheesy stories that are like brain candy.

It CAN’T POSSIBLY because we like the strange, surreal, and monstrous character possibly defending us from an even worse threat or that we might relate to a misunderstood hero!  No, it can’t possibly be ANY of those things!   

There’s no way we like monster movies because we enjoy being scared!  No, that’s NEVER the reason! (Sarcasm.)

  It’s not a sadistic pleasure at someone else’s pain.  It’s because it stirs the imagination, the part of us that dreams.  We root for the good guys and the heroes usually win in those things.  Good triumphs over evil.   And the heroes are usually the Japanese people or the monsters defending the Japanese people.  

Being a monster movie or horror fan does NOT automatically mean you’re a bad person just because YOU can’t understand it as anything other than something evil.

Perhaps if YOU didn’t assume one race evilly plots to destroy all others you might understand monster movie fans instead of trying to feed your own bias.

  Tumblr, stop making me lose faith in humanity...

Oooh, My head hurts.   This is the time of year when poseurs join horror groups.   Someone posted on a horror group (you know who you are) a question asking if Michael Meyers and Jason count as monsters.   A simple and honest question that usually gets a yes if you're not talking about the remake versions, because of their supernatural attributes.

  But then...

But then someone replied with "I think they don't count because they're supernatural."  I really, really hope I misunderstood his answer.   How the Hell can someone join a horror group and not believe supernatural creatures count as Monsters?  Has he never heard The Monster Mash?  Does he not know what entails the classic Universal Movie Monsters?  What does he think a monster under the bed is or a closet Monster?  Or even watching Seseme Street what does he think the Cookie Monster is?  How...?  I can't wrap my mind around this.  

About the new Mummy movie...

It is okay if you do not like the new Mummy movie however please don't bash it because the mummy is female.

Lot 249 by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle is the oldest monster story with a mummy reanimated.  Guess what gender that mummy was?

The mummy's Ghost (1944) also had a female mummy.

The mummy's Curse (1944) had a female Mummy

Blood from the Mummy Tomb (1971)  had a female mummy.

The graphic novel series Ultrasylvania featured a female mummy.

An episode of Are you Afraid of the dark? was about a female mummy.

Disney Channel's TV movie: Under Wraps had a female mummy toward the end of the story.

 Pretending there were never female mummies in film or literature before requires a special form of idiocy.

We run an emergency monster helpline

“666, what is your emergency?”

“A madman with a stake is chasing me! Please help!”

“I am sending demons, just hold on sir.”

“T-thank you.”

“You are welcome sir, they will be there in a few minutes. Turn into a bat if you can and hide somewhere dark.”

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bearfethers

why can’t i have this job instead

Something like this actually happened in Fred Saberhagen’s A coldness in the Blood.  It’s book ten of his vampire / Dracula book series.

Dracula (who has been loving under the name Matthew Maule) finds Dickon (A particularly cowardly vampire) is at his door.  Dickon claims someone is hunting him and Dracula actually says “This isn’t like the Christmas Carolers you thought were vampire hunters, is it?”

Horror fans: DC vs. Marvel

As a horror fan I love that unlike Marvel, DC has fully embraced it's supernatural side.

Back in the 90s it was the other way around. I miss when Marvel respected it’s supernatural side and wasn’t shy about addressing it on TV and movies. 

Now, today, Marvel has to explain away everything with Science and it's DC that is open and unshy about monsters and the occult. 

Where Marvel is like "The Asgardians are aliens now" despite Jack Kerby wanting them to be the Mythological figures...

DC is like "The Devil owns a night club in LA and Batman has totally beaten up Dracula.  Have fun with that."

God, I miss when Marvel was braver about the supernatural...

I want Marvel to start using it’s Monsters

All the classic Marvel Monsters.    Werewolf by Night, Living Mummy, The Frankenstein Monster, Dracula, Manfibian, and Man-Thing.

When they are used they are very, very inconsistent.

As recently as 2013 The Frankenstein Monster was portrayed as well Spoken and intelligent.  (Daredevil issue 33, published 2013)

And during his own backstory.   Monster of Frankenstein issues 1 through 6 (1971).

And yet in S.H.I.E.L.D 006 (2015) He's portrayed as simple minded and has to be controlled via a "simple suggestion" from an Esper without any explanation within those two years for the change.

And poor Living Mummy was portrayed as simple minded in Daredevil 33 (2013) but was his usual sarcastic self in Morbius 8 and 9  (Also 2013).

I want someone who can keep consistent with the monsters and knows that they aren't simple minded archetypes that you can do "whatever" with.

Is it so wrong to want a little consistency with my favorite Monsters?   Maybe they'd be easier to keep track of if they were actually given an on-going story and not just dusted off as Halloween novelties.

Movies that scare you as an adult

What are some horror movies that actually managed to scare you as an adult?

I don’t mean films that gave you a jump scare / startled you. Or films that gross you out / fill you with disgust.   I mean films that reach something inside you that creeps into your mind when you’re alone on a dark night.

For me two instances come to mind.  And ironically they have to do with creatures most people don’t find scary anymore.  Vampires.

The first was in 2006 or so.  I was twenty-four-years-old and it was summer time in broad daylight and I was watching a documentary about the historic Dracula.   The documentary talked about the locals seeing strange lights and hearing noises up at Poenari Castle. (The real Castle Dracula.  Bran Castle is mostly for tourists).   It mentioned that some priests (Much like in Dracula has Risen from the Grave) went up to the castle to bless the place but a terrible storm broke out so they had to do the blessing from a distance.

 This made me recall that one of Dracula’s traditional powers, in the vampire story, is the ability to summon a storm.  At that very moment the door to the apartment creaked open and I practically leapt out of my skin.  And that is when I knew Dracula could still be  and was scary.  You take those sort of characters for granted until something happens to make you realize they can be scary.

The second instance that comes to mind is when I was watching Let the Right One In for the first time.  I watched it dubbed into English and the movie had been described as very good.  A traditional vampire movie.  So I decided to watch it one snowy night.  I remember I actually thought “Ah, this isn’t so scary. Good but not scary.”  And I was at the scene where Eli was creepily climbing up the side of the Hospital like a spider.   At that moment the power went out and for a split second I actually thought “Oh, crap.  Child vampire’s come to get me!”  It was just for a split second mind you but it was enough.

And a bonus mention as this last instance was not as an adult but I was a teenager. I had a nightmare once where I dreamt I was a werewolf.  The horror of it was not the idea of being attacked by a werewolf but actually waking up after blacking out and finding the bodies of those you love mangled and mutilated and the unreal sense of guilt and disbelief that you could be accountable.

The idea of deliberately turning into a literal wolf like the werewolves of The Company of Wolves or Wolf Lake or Dracula always interested me but to change against your will and not remember what you did.

So yes, to me, traditional monsters can and should be scary.  This is why it disappoints me so much that Universal doesn’t seem to have faith in it’s monsters as monsters.    

Second bonus mention:   Nineteen Eighty-Four (1984) starring John Hurt just creeps me out.

What I want from m Monsters

I want Guilleermo delo Toro to make a faithful adaptation of Frankenstein with an intelligent version of The Creatures sans flat or bald head with neck bolts.  Make him well spoken, not inarticulate or sounding like a stroke victim.  The creature was intelligent in the book and I want that version to properly enter the cultural collective, not just the odd one out in things like Penny Dreadful.  Let Mary Shelley's version live.

I'm nervous. I don't think the current heads of Universal respect or appreciate the classics or their original atmosphere and ambiance. In example look at the 2004 Van Helsing or more recently NBC's God-awful Dracula and the upcoming Syfy Van Helsing series (Syfy is owned by NBC / Universal). They just want to cash in on an old film trend rekindled by the Marvel franchise and they are even now fixating on the concept of "Goth action" indicating that they learned nothing from the 2004 Van Helsing movie.

And there’s also the dread that they have such little faith in these characters standing on their own merit they will all “coincidentally” all have October “seasonal” releases as Dracula Untold did. Never mind the best Dracula films were released in November (Bram Stoker’s Dracula), July (Frank Langella Dracula), and February (1931 Dracula)

The problem is when a horror film is released in October you're essentially giving it an orange and black crutch. It's indicating that without Halloween people might not be interested in seeing it. When a horror film gets a November or especially a summer release that shows confidence in it as being more than a seasonal novelty. This was the mistake they made with Crimson Peak. It could have held it's own as a June release but no one trusted it and it became a victim of Halloween horror market over saturation.

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