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Wow, I didn't even know the Chiller channel was gone.  Apparently it shut down at Midnight New Years of this year.  It was the closest thing to a horror channel I had.   Granted it gradually just became a dumping ground for Syfy's leftovers (i.e. TV movies and even reality shows ruruns).   I wish we had a real horror channel.   Starz Suspense is the closest thing to it (It used to be Encore 

Suspense and before that Encore Mystery / the Mystery channel but then they added horror content so they retitled it).    And people wonder why younger folks don't watch actual television anymore.

And we lost H2 a few years ago, the last History Channel to actually have history on it...

​They tried this five years ago with Mockingbird Lane and they passed off the pilot as a Halloween special.   Why are they trying again?    Also why set it in Brooklyn?  Part of the joke was the classic monsters in suburbia.  In fact that was the main joke and it still works today.     It's why Edward Scissorhands hits home for a lot of people. They tried this five years ago with Mockingbird Lane and they passed off the pilot as a Halloween special.   Why are they trying again?  

Why I resent the Nightmare before Christmas Blu Ray

I love Nightmare before Christmas with all my heart.  But I do NOT love how it has been treated these past thirteen or so years.  

A few things bug me about the DVDs and Blu Rays of Nightmare before Christmas.

My favorite DVD if Nightmare before Christmas is the special edition DVD released near to the film's tenth anniversary but not quite (a little before it).

After that Disney started to... Shall we say... mess with it.

Many people don't consider it a big deal but as a Tim Burton / Danny Elfman fan certain things bother me that they altered for later releases.

1.    Tim Burton and Danny Elfman have a trademark. During the opening logos you hear the first chords of Danny Elfman's score.  The only deviation was with Danny's own "Day-o" added to the Giffin logo at the start of Beetlejuice.  In Nightmare before Christmas the opening title track first started during the Touchstone Pictures logo.

Disney eventually decided to finally embrace the film as a Disney production (as they should have from the start but they were cowardly and didn't know how well it would do.  Touchstone is a branch of Disney that was often used to release things they were not too sure about so Disney could distance itself from the product).   When Disney swapped the opening logo for a Disney castle they removed the opening cords and moved it further along. Thus ruining the Tim Burton / Danny Elfman tradition.

Disney was so eager to pat themselves on the back as the source of Nightmare before Christmas that they spat in the face of a tradition that I found to be endearing.  

The music was kept in but it started later.  This meant they "had to" change the entire opening credits...  Which brings me to number 2...

2.   The opening credits used to be a nice, faded, autumnual orange for Halloween Town.   You will notice on more recent releases these titles are actually kind of red.   They run longer to accommodate a few seconds change in where the music starts and frankly I miss the pale orange.  That's what Tim Burton wanted. That's what should be there.

3.   They digitally removed the wires holding the bats during This is Halloween.   This bothers me.  It bothers me because it diminishes something that was in the original film, whether considered a flaw or not it was there.  I'm a purist. I want to see the film the way I saw it in the theatre.   Tim Burton is not George Lucas!  They should not digitally remove something that was always there.  Also knowing Tim Burton's love of classic horror those bat strings could have been a subtle and deliberate nod to Bela Lugosi's Dracula.  Other scenes in which strings were noticeable were tampered with too but this is the first one I noticed.

Imagine if someone took Labyrinth and removed the "Chilly down" fire gang sequence and added a CG version.   Yes, those were the worst effects in the movie but that was our childhood, damn it!

4. Also during This is Halloween the audio shifts weirdly now when you get to Oogie's shadow on the moon.  "I am the shadow on the moon at night filling your dreams to the brim with fight." Do. Not. Tamper. with the stereo set up in a musical!  It was originally like that for a reason.   Now certain things aren't as easy to hear and new arguments about lyrics are cropping up that should not be happening.

Today if you want to see Nightmare before Christmas the way it was originally shown in 1993 stick with the early 2000s Special edition DVD (Not the one with the big picture of Jack’s head but rather the one with Jack and Sally on the spiral hill).  It's the last one to respect the film's original integrity before Disney briefly got possessed by the not-yet-dead ghost of George Lucas.\

This is also the last DVD release of Nightmare before Christmas with all the nice bonus features that are now only on the Blu Ray and the original Frankenweenie short.

I'm feeling a little nostalgic tonight so bear with my rambling.  

A few thoughts on Nightmare before Christmas.

Nightmare before Christmas went to theatres in 1993 shortly before my twelth Birthday.   I used my own Birthday money to treat my mother, brother, and two of my cousins, Nicole and Michael, to see it.

The movie theatre we went to was in Sunrise Mall in Nassau County Long Island. We went to The Disney Store (which was right next to the movie theatre).  I spent ten dollars there on a box of figures from Aladdin (Which was still the most recent Disney animated feature at the time.)

I sat down near the front of the theatre because I have poor eyesight.  I am very, very near sighted among other things.  I don't remember what trailers were before the movie or if we had a short before the movie.  What I do remember is I considered my own quirk of getting obsessed with the most recent animated musicals or musicals in general and I remember thinking to myself "Please don't get obsessed.  Please don't get obsessed.  I'm still into Aladdin, I still want to be into Aladdin.  Please don't let this be the new obsession."   However I was less than half-way through listening to "This is Halloween" when I knew I loved it, loved it more that anything else I had ever seen before and I just had to let it wash over me.

For many years in the 1990s I had a shelf in my room that was a shrine to Tim Burton.   I collected every Nightmare before Christmas collectable I could find or afford.  This seems like no big deal today where you can find Nightmare before Christmas merchandise in Hot Topic, FYE, and various other stores year 'round.    

But before the big resurgence of the early 2000s Nightmare before Christmas merchandise was hard to come by.   I was lucky to find maybe a wrist watch one year and a pop up book the next.  

How jealous I was of the 2000s generation that treated Nightmare before Christmas like a brand name.  They will never know what it was like to sit listening to a walkman cassette player and other kids asking "What are you listening to?" and when you say "Nightmare before Christmas soundtrack" you get weird looks and "Never heard of it."    Those same people who acted like I was a freak for my love of this precious little film now acted as if they always loved it too.  

A few thoughts:

As I was into Nightmare before Christmas back in 1993 it's disconcerting to try to seek out like-minded fans today because they assume you're a n00b to it or you are following some kind of trend.  Though I had the book on how the film was made almost entirely memorized before I was thirteen there are people online who will insist that I and others aren't "real" fans.  

I've heard things (also in regard to the mini-series 10th Kingdom) "If you were really a fan when it first came out why are you only joining the discussion groups now?"  The answer is simple.  Those groups did not exist when the film was first released.  How many of us even had The Internet in 1993?   And years later when we finally were online on a regular basis many of us didn't consider joining groups for our old beloved fandoms until some quiet night we think of our childhood nostalgia.

It also bugs me when people point out that Tim Burton didn’t actually direct Nightmare before Christmas and say snooty and pretentious things like “You know it’s really a Henry Selick film, right?”   Wrong. Henry might have directed it but it’s still Tim Burton’s baby. He came up with the character designs, the concept art, the original poem, wrote some of the song lyrics (uncredited), chose the color pallets, and even picked out Sally’s socks. He was the one who told the story little by little to Danny Elfman who wrote the songs before there was even a script (going backward from how most musicals are done). Tim Burton did a lot of work usually reserved for directors and most of it was unaccredited.  I will give Henry his due but Tim Burton isn’t just a brand name.  He did more than just fund the thing. Nightmare before Christmas is HIS baby.

Sally was the first Frankenstein Monster I had ever seen in modern pop culture who was intelligent.  I was eleven when the movie came out so I had not yet read the original Frankenstein novel (that wouldn't be for another year or so).   Over time other intelligent and articulate Frankenstein monsters got my attention.  At first only female ones and I recall thinking "Why are only the female Frankenstein monsters smart?"   The movie The Bride and later Eve in Dark Shadows (Though Adam wasn't exactly simple).  

I also liked that Sally's hair wasn't up and streaked like every cartoonish female Frankenstein monster mimicking the creature from The Bride of Frankenstein movie.  Also there were no bolts in her neck.  

Sally kickstarted my first Frankenstein obsession which quietly dimmed over time.   Then came the Hallmark mini-series of Frankenstein and finally Caliban AKA John Clare AKA The Creature on Penny Dreadful.  

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All right, you SJW asses, don’t you DARE touch my Nightmare before Christmas!  Back, you animals!  Back!

The following is in regard to some obnoxious SJW thinking Nightmare before Christmas tells the message that Cultural Appropriation is bad.

Wow, someone really, really misunderstood Nightmare before Christmas to a horrific and disgusting degree.   Okay, let’s begin.

1.  Tim Burton has repeatedly explained what Nightmare before Christmas is about and it’s not about cultural appropriation.

2.  The end of the story has Santa bring snow to Halloween Town.  And it’s wonderful.

3.  The soundtrack and novelization has the film’s hidden epilogue where Santa comes and visit’s Jack because he secretly likes Halloween.  And he asks Jack if he could turn the mighty clock back would he do the whole thing all over again.  And Jack turns and smiles and says “Wouldn’t you?”

4.  "Avoiding Cultural appropriation" is a vulgar and disgusting, misguided conceit of social justice warriors that has become nothing more than thinly veiled and willful cultural segregation.  You know “Separate yet equal.”  Have you any idea how Tim Burton feels about such things?   Half of Corpse Bride is inspired by Mexican Day of the Dead merged with Victorian English culture and a Jewish folktale for crying out loud!   “Separate yet equal” / screaming “Cultural appropriation” would have denied Tim Burton half of his most brilliant films.

5.  You honestly think Tim Burton- someone like him- would preach the importance of conformity and sticking to your own kind?  and never try and embrace something different?

6.   I DARE you to tell Tim Burton this “Brilliant” interpretation and stay in the room with him for ten minutes with the door locked.  Oh, and can you have a camera record the encounter?

The irony of this article is it actually DOES appropriate something and turns it into something it’s not and does not represent and that seems to be what the author is ironically trying to preach against.

The simple fact is Tim Burton does not feel any shame about mixing and matching aspects of different cultures and that was never the intentional interpretation of this movie.    Look at Corpse Bride, for example.  He fully admits Corpse Bride is a mixture of Mexican Day of the Dead, Victorian England, and a Russian / Jewish folktale.   If Tim Burton was anti-Cultural appropriation (as many social justice Warriors call it) than much of his work would not exist.  Cultural appreciation (not appropriation) is a major theme of Nightmare before Christmas as both cultures give and borrow from each other and love each other at the end of the story.  The direct opposite of the interpretation in this article, which would serve no purpose but to depress a true Nightmare before Christmas fan.

There are good intentions behind being anti-Cultural appropriation.  I acknowledge this but many have untentionally condoned and promoted a “separate but equal” mindset which is a thinly veiled self-justified form of cultural segregation. 

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The Return of the Universal monsters

I’m nervous.  I don’t think the current heads of Universal respect or appreciate the classics or their original atmosphere and ambiance.  In example look at the 2004 Van Helsing or more recently NBC’s God-awful Dracula and the upcoming Syfy Van Helsing series (Syfy is owned by NBC / Universal).   They just want to cash in on an old film trend rekindled by the Marvel franchise and they are even now fixating on the concept of “Goth action” indicating that they learned nothing from the 2004 Van Helsing movie.

And there’s also the dread that they have such little faith in these characters standing on their own merit they will all “coincidentally” all have October “seasonal” releases as Dracula Untold did.  Never mind the best Dracula films were released in November (Bram Stoker’s Dracula),  July (Frank Langella Dracula), and February (1931 Dracula).  

The Return of the Universal monsters

I'm nervous.  I don't think the current heads of Universal respect or appreciate the classics or their original atmosphere and ambiance.  In example look at the 2004 Van Helsing or more recently NBC's God-awful Dracula and the upcoming Syfy Van Helsing series (Syfy is owned by NBC / Universal).   They just want to cash in on an old film trend rekindled by the Marvel franchise and they are even now fixating on the concept of "Goth action" indicating that they learned nothing from the 2004 Van Helsing movie.

Van Van Helsing?!  Seriously!?

I like the idea of Abraham Van Helsing having a daughter, that's fine to me.   But to set it five years after vampires have taken over the world and the daughter being named Vanessa...  Come on!  "Van Van Helsing."    This reeks of cheese.   And not necessarily the fun kind.

Also why is there a picture of Gabriel Van Helsing on this article when she's the daughter of ABRHAM Van Helsing.  Research, folks.  Research is your friend.

Trivia: An early prototype of The Mayor was in the Beetlejuice animated series.  He was also two faced and was called “Mayor Maynot.”   The season 1 version looked closer to the Nightmare before Christmas mayor while season 2 onward he looked more like a mummy. 

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