I am very cheap. I do NOT like spending my gems on genes so if I can breed it in, I WILL. I also will breed wildclaws and such if I need that breed, I do not care about the breeding CD I have multiple projects going at once so theres always hatchlings coming in.
My biggest obstacle if getting the right gender. I dont want to spend gems on sil scrolls so if it has everything but the right pose, back on the nest they go and ig ill make another pair with the hatching. Everytime I have this happen I post it here lol
My projects usually take a year or more, I havnt been keeping track of any of them except for Faye, who took 9 months
For limitations I will not spend more than 35kt/g for a dragon to breed, thats it. I have patience for everything else :)
I am very cheap. I do NOT like spending my gems on genes so if I can breed it in, I WILL. I also will breed wildclaws and such if I need that breed, I do not care about the breeding CD I have multiple projects going at once so theres always hatchlings coming in.
My biggest obstacle if getting the right gender. I dont want to spend gems on sil scrolls so if it has everything but the right pose, back on the nest they go and ig ill make another pair with the hatching. Everytime I have this happen I post it here lol
My projects usually take a year or more, I havnt been keeping track of any of them except for Faye, who took 9 months
For limitations I will not spend more than 35kt/g for a dragon to breed, thats it. I have patience for everything else :)
One time I had a breeding pair that were one color off from being able to produce the colors I wanted and didn't notice for like 2 months, lol.
One time I had a breeding pair that were one color off from being able to produce the colors I wanted and didn't notice for like 2 months, lol.
not to depress you, but it took slightly over one and a half years to pull these guys :p the girl came in the first nest of her parents, the boy... well after I removed that pair from contention, things got pretty painful. and i still need to figure out their prim/sec genes. ah, well!
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[/center]what I've learned over the years is that colours are easy and gender is terrible. and to have fun! at least you'll have an unlimited supply of fodder!
not to depress you, but it took slightly over one and a half years to pull these guys :p the girl came in the first nest of her parents, the boy... well after I removed that pair from contention, things got pretty painful. and i still need to figure out their prim/sec genes. ah, well!
what I've learned over the years is that colours are easy and gender is terrible. and to have fun! at least you'll have an unlimited supply of fodder!
I'm usually breeding for very specific xyz combinations that are uncommon to nonexistent. I have saved searches for the general color range and will snatch up anything ~<25k that pops up and stick it in the hibden until I have enough pairs that I can set up multiple to speed up hatching the goal dragon. I'll eventually make most of it back from the castoff hatchlings and exalting them all at the end.
Sometimes I have to breed for a closer range first, and near misses give me more potential pairs. I hibden all the hatches to not muddy my potential new dragon pool, and so I have partner options if anything new pops up while the project is ongoing.
Definitely check everyone for degree of relation and make sure you track the lines when setting up new pairs. I've been burned on that before. It's maddening when you have a perfect pair but they're related like 4 generations back.
I generally don't worry about breed or genes whatsoever and just eat the cost of fully geneing the project result once I get it. Getting the right colors and pose is hard enough to begin with. Imps are obviously an exception to this, but I tend to avoid scrying them for project ideas for that reason. Similarly, I keep all my projects within my own den and don't worry about eyes so much.
Projects generally take anywhere from a couple months to a couple years, depending on the color combination I'm trying to get and how existent it is to begin with.
I'm usually breeding for very specific xyz combinations that are uncommon to nonexistent. I have saved searches for the general color range and will snatch up anything ~<25k that pops up and stick it in the hibden until I have enough pairs that I can set up multiple to speed up hatching the goal dragon. I'll eventually make most of it back from the castoff hatchlings and exalting them all at the end.
Sometimes I have to breed for a closer range first, and near misses give me more potential pairs. I hibden all the hatches to not muddy my potential new dragon pool, and so I have partner options if anything new pops up while the project is ongoing.
Definitely check everyone for degree of relation and make sure you track the lines when setting up new pairs. I've been burned on that before. It's maddening when you have a perfect pair but they're related like 4 generations back.
I generally don't worry about breed or genes whatsoever and just eat the cost of fully geneing the project result once I get it. Getting the right colors and pose is hard enough to begin with. Imps are obviously an exception to this, but I tend to avoid scrying them for project ideas for that reason. Similarly, I keep all my projects within my own den and don't worry about eyes so much.
Projects generally take anywhere from a couple months to a couple years, depending on the color combination I'm trying to get and how existent it is to begin with.
I am coming back to this thread with a horrifying realization on my Lyrical Fodder project because I decided it'd be fun to math it out and figure out when it'll most likely be done
"Oh that isn't so bad ! Wait... In the worst case it's... what? 20..27?"
Surely I did my math wrong somewhere.. but no.. that's right...
laughs nervously, it probably would've been done this year in a worst case scenario if I had kept up with it but I stopped playing for a year or so from when this project started
I am coming back to this thread with a horrifying realization on my Lyrical Fodder project because I decided it'd be fun to math it out and figure out when it'll most likely be done
"Oh that isn't so bad ! Wait... In the worst case it's... what? 20..27?"
Surely I did my math wrong somewhere.. but no.. that's right...
laughs nervously, it probably would've been done this year in a worst case scenario if I had kept up with it but I stopped playing for a year or so from when this project started
I hoard:
Nocturne Puppet
Trinkets
A hand-crafted Nocturne marionette. This one has a strangely-long snout and looks as though it's been through a lot.
My biggest thing I've had to learn when doing breeding projects is moderation. Lair space is limited! I have a tendency to end up with too many pairs for my various projects, and constantly run out of space to hold them.
I also end up spreading what space I have too thin, starting too many projects, and not having enough active pairs to actually be able to finish the project in a timely manner, which means my projects take months longer than they normally would.
My biggest thing I've had to learn when doing breeding projects is moderation. Lair space is limited! I have a tendency to end up with too many pairs for my various projects, and constantly run out of space to hold them.
I also end up spreading what space I have too thin, starting too many projects, and not having enough active pairs to actually be able to finish the project in a timely manner, which means my projects take months longer than they normally would.
Biggest difficulty I faced with my current breeding project was uh...well, finding the mates. Some I could just snag off the AH but like....jegus.
I snagged a female for the project but could find 0 males in the colors I needed with the right eye color that were also compatible with her, they all seemed to come from the same singular breeder. I had to search and reach out to people, and one person we got as far as the CR and I put my contribution in only for radio silence.
Too be fair I gave grace due to the holidays but after a month gave up and just tried to find another one. Finally did, thankfully XD
And oh dear lords the Wind part of this project sucked too. Every dragon I found in the correct color range, every last darn one, was in the deity colors and that's what I was trying to avoid. I had to search and reach out for those, too.
What I've learned is that AH first, reaching out second. Always with kindness, always with a "hey if you don't want to sell that's fine have a lovely day" or something. Because outside of the aforementioned one that got to CR and then stalled it's always been within a relatively reasonable time frame that people get back to me about them ^^
I also learned I don't compromise on *anything*, which of course made me thankful to find imps in the colors needed without too much fuss because I think about 1/4 of the others so far have had to be breed changed INCLUDING WILDCLAWS and that was an absolute nightmare but man so worth it.
And of course in trying to catalogue out this project, what genes the parents need and all that jazz, I've found that a lot of the genes I like aren't overly expensive. My absolute favorites are gem genes, of course, but there's plenty of treasure ones that I've been sleeping on and I can get them in under a week coli grinding which is nice.
To get just the pairs alone took me over 6 months. I have learned that colors suck, eyes suck, genders suck, the 5 generations removed breeding restriction can go rot in the deepest pits of hell, and genes aren't all that hard :)
Biggest difficulty I faced with my current breeding project was uh...well, finding the mates. Some I could just snag off the AH but like....jegus.
I snagged a female for the project but could find 0 males in the colors I needed with the right eye color that were also compatible with her, they all seemed to come from the same singular breeder. I had to search and reach out to people, and one person we got as far as the CR and I put my contribution in only for radio silence.
Too be fair I gave grace due to the holidays but after a month gave up and just tried to find another one. Finally did, thankfully XD
And oh dear lords the Wind part of this project sucked too. Every dragon I found in the correct color range, every last darn one, was in the deity colors and that's what I was trying to avoid. I had to search and reach out for those, too.
What I've learned is that AH first, reaching out second. Always with kindness, always with a "hey if you don't want to sell that's fine have a lovely day" or something. Because outside of the aforementioned one that got to CR and then stalled it's always been within a relatively reasonable time frame that people get back to me about them ^^
I also learned I don't compromise on *anything*, which of course made me thankful to find imps in the colors needed without too much fuss because I think about 1/4 of the others so far have had to be breed changed INCLUDING WILDCLAWS and that was an absolute nightmare but man so worth it.
And of course in trying to catalogue out this project, what genes the parents need and all that jazz, I've found that a lot of the genes I like aren't overly expensive. My absolute favorites are gem genes, of course, but there's plenty of treasure ones that I've been sleeping on and I can get them in under a week coli grinding which is nice.
To get just the pairs alone took me over 6 months. I have learned that colors suck, eyes suck, genders suck, the 5 generations removed breeding restriction can go rot in the deepest pits of hell, and genes aren't all that hard :)
I've given up on breeding projects haha
they're just WAY too much effort. now I just look on the ah and base my projects on that, rather than trying to breed for a specific scry!
I've given up on breeding projects haha
they're just WAY too much effort. now I just look on the ah and base my projects on that, rather than trying to breed for a specific scry!
Accents are equippable items that can be worn like a coat of paint on top of the skin of your dragon. The look of the accent will not be passed onto offspring and may be unequipped at any time. (Designed by arawoods.)
I've done a bunch of breeding projects in the past. I'm particularly picky in that I'm always exact with my scry and refuse to compromise at all.
Generally, my most common problem is lack of close-range colour dragons. A few colours off from your target can drop effective odds massively. I prefer not to have to cut ranges down manually by breeding for close-range parents, but sometimes one has to. It always feels bad when a simple project turns into a multi-stage marathon, but it is the best way to ensure you get the target without compromise. Of course, to offset this I always use Plentiful parents and disregard genes.
Some of my highlights:
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[*] A multi-stage project for a Nocturne with a rare colour combo. I had to start with just a single, impossibly wide-range pair. At the end I had three pairs. It took over a year.
[*] A project for an Obelisk. Same close-range odds as maybe 5 other pairs I was doing simultaneously. It took me longer than all the others combined to finally get the hatchling I wanted. There was a [i]lot[/i] of Eldritch secondaries.
[*] A Plague primal Coatl. Thankfully, one I could breed for myself. This was before eye vials were a thing- I ended up getting four unrelated dragons so their offspring would make new pairs, and had so many active breeding pairs that I was hatching eggs every single day until I finally got the primal. It was chaotic and kind of ridiculous, but it did work.
[*] A second Plague primal Coatl. I started this nigh immediately after the first and planned to go about it the same way, but struggled badly trying to get the four unrelated dragons. It took so long that they released both eye vials and silhouette scrolls, at which point I took the sole dragon to have the exact colour combo and finished the project there and then.
[*] A Gaoler based off of an old random scry. It took a very long time to find a pair close to what I wanted, but thankfully when I did it was quick to get the target.
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As for your questions..
The biggest roadblock has always been having good, close-range parents. Always. My main method was to bookmark Dragon Searches for dragons within 1 colour of the target (ex. for Tan, I'd look for Sand, Tan, and Beige) and just check those searches regularly. A common colour combo might let me buy fodder straight off the AH, but more often than not I bought fodder stored in lairs and G1s.
If something proved too elusive, or I got bored of waiting, I'd widen the search and start looking for 'parents of the pair'. I'm loathe to expand beyond that, though, as it gets awkward to keep track of.
It did teach me more about working out if a dragon is likely to be for sale before you need to inquire - checking for fodder tabs and reading profile messages, for example. I'm an awkwardly shy creature who is horribly bad about sending PMs and replying to people, and a lot of the folk on the site are kind enough that I've even had dragons gifted before. Someone even helped me with my project once!
Time-wise, it can vary a lot. Sometimes I'll happily spend months waiting if it means buying a close-range parent and less total breeding attempts. And, you know, luck - sometimes a pair gets you what you want first try, sometimes they just... don't.
And how much am I willing to compromise? Nothing from the original scry, but everything else to make up for it. I've breedchanged dragons into Plentiful breeds, removed gem genes, bred G1s, and dumped thousands of gems into geneing up target hatchlings. Whatever it takes to get those three colours I want.
..After writing this all up, I kind of want to try another project again. [emoji=coatl happy size=1]
I've done a bunch of breeding projects in the past. I'm particularly picky in that I'm always exact with my scry and refuse to compromise at all.
Generally, my most common problem is lack of close-range colour dragons. A few colours off from your target can drop effective odds massively. I prefer not to have to cut ranges down manually by breeding for close-range parents, but sometimes one has to. It always feels bad when a simple project turns into a multi-stage marathon, but it is the best way to ensure you get the target without compromise. Of course, to offset this I always use Plentiful parents and disregard genes.
Some of my highlights:
A multi-stage project for a Nocturne with a rare colour combo. I had to start with just a single, impossibly wide-range pair. At the end I had three pairs. It took over a year.
A project for an Obelisk. Same close-range odds as maybe 5 other pairs I was doing simultaneously. It took me longer than all the others combined to finally get the hatchling I wanted. There was a lot of Eldritch secondaries.
A Plague primal Coatl. Thankfully, one I could breed for myself. This was before eye vials were a thing- I ended up getting four unrelated dragons so their offspring would make new pairs, and had so many active breeding pairs that I was hatching eggs every single day until I finally got the primal. It was chaotic and kind of ridiculous, but it did work.
A second Plague primal Coatl. I started this nigh immediately after the first and planned to go about it the same way, but struggled badly trying to get the four unrelated dragons. It took so long that they released both eye vials and silhouette scrolls, at which point I took the sole dragon to have the exact colour combo and finished the project there and then.
A Gaoler based off of an old random scry. It took a very long time to find a pair close to what I wanted, but thankfully when I did it was quick to get the target.
As for your questions..
The biggest roadblock has always been having good, close-range parents. Always. My main method was to bookmark Dragon Searches for dragons within 1 colour of the target (ex. for Tan, I'd look for Sand, Tan, and Beige) and just check those searches regularly. A common colour combo might let me buy fodder straight off the AH, but more often than not I bought fodder stored in lairs and G1s.
If something proved too elusive, or I got bored of waiting, I'd widen the search and start looking for 'parents of the pair'. I'm loathe to expand beyond that, though, as it gets awkward to keep track of.
It did teach me more about working out if a dragon is likely to be for sale before you need to inquire - checking for fodder tabs and reading profile messages, for example. I'm an awkwardly shy creature who is horribly bad about sending PMs and replying to people, and a lot of the folk on the site are kind enough that I've even had dragons gifted before. Someone even helped me with my project once!
Time-wise, it can vary a lot. Sometimes I'll happily spend months waiting if it means buying a close-range parent and less total breeding attempts. And, you know, luck - sometimes a pair gets you what you want first try, sometimes they just... don't.
And how much am I willing to compromise? Nothing from the original scry, but everything else to make up for it. I've breedchanged dragons into Plentiful breeds, removed gem genes, bred G1s, and dumped thousands of gems into geneing up target hatchlings. Whatever it takes to get those three colours I want.
..After writing this all up, I kind of want to try another project again.
the pain of having the perfect pair for my Caramel/Blush/cream coatl project but they never hatch the combo they have a GOOD CHANCE OF PRODUCING... and they have a long breeding cooldown...
i'm also nesting a pair for a friend and those dragons have been in my lair SO LONG because of unlucky hatches :.)
my hard lesson seems to be that rng will make things hard even with good chances somethimes....
the pain of having the perfect pair for my Caramel/Blush/cream coatl project but they never hatch the combo they have a GOOD CHANCE OF PRODUCING... and they have a long breeding cooldown...
i'm also nesting a pair for a friend and those dragons have been in my lair SO LONG because of unlucky hatches :.)
my hard lesson seems to be that rng will make things hard even with good chances somethimes....
