Honestly I would argue people have been drawing NSFW art of cartoon characters since the neolithic. You just know that when people were making that flickering flame lamp art on the walls of their caves someone wanted to fuck the impressionist buff mammoth hunters. And drew fanart of them two caves over with a big schlong and booba.
And if the cavemen could have asked a machine godhead to paint them infinite cave impressions of hot ladies you cannot convince me they wouldn’t have gone for that
you just beamed into my head the idea of an anti ai post showing that cavern with the impressions of all the hands and saying something like “ai could never do this!”
You know how come we never see flicking cave art of two of em going at it. That’s gotta be the base case, right, that style doesn’t go great for porn proper but surely before you exhaust animals you do sex
Maybe the drawings of animals had a functional or ritual purpose (instruction on how to hunt? Story-telling?) that made them overall a lot more numerous than more bespoke artistic pursuits.
Also the cave drawings were in public areas I guess, and probably many cultures still had ideas about privacy/propriety around other people or children to some extent. Maybe the wank material was on personal slates or in the form of carvings that didn’t preserve as well as the big public murals in static sealed caves.
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Yep! I’ve spent the past 15 minutes looking for some more explicit examples of straight up caveporn though, surprisingly hard to find anything super overt to the modern eye but then we’ve all been hentaipilled. The abstract vulva glyphs just don’t do it for the modern internet dweller… rip
Honestly I would argue people have been drawing NSFW art of cartoon characters since the neolithic. You just know that when people were making that flickering flame lamp art on the walls of their caves someone wanted to fuck the impressionist buff mammoth hunters. And drew fanart of them two caves over with a big schlong and booba.
And if the cavemen could have asked a machine godhead to paint them infinite cave impressions of hot ladies you cannot convince me they wouldn’t have gone for that
you just beamed into my head the idea of an anti ai post showing that cavern with the impressions of all the hands and saying something like “ai could never do this!”
You know how come we never see flicking cave art of two of em going at it. That’s gotta be the base case, right, that style doesn’t go great for porn proper but surely before you exhaust animals you do sex
Maybe the drawings of animals had a functional or ritual purpose (instruction on how to hunt? Story-telling?) that made them overall a lot more numerous than more bespoke artistic pursuits.
Also the cave drawings were in public areas I guess, and probably many cultures still had ideas about privacy/propriety around other people or children to some extent. Maybe the wank material was on personal slates or in the form of carvings that didn’t preserve as well as the big public murals in static sealed caves.
Also it looks like there are some examples. I keep seeing this image, apparently from Tassili n'Ajjer - but I can’t find a good attribution from a reliable source, it’s all reddit and instagram reposts, so take with a grain of salt. That said, seems very plausible.
I wonder if the more simplistic art style made it harder to actually get erotic pleasure from looking at these and so 2D porn was less common. Still, if you’re a caveperson you probably took what you could get!
It’s a natural consequence of the general tendency for even socially conscious groups to see it as broadly acceptable to reach for physical appearance and ability to insult others, despite the regressive implications of doing so, but - is genuinely infuriating how much the things that people are often mocked for are things that require specifically money more than effort to solve. Clothing is the classic one and “bullying the poor kid for not having the designer brand” is a clichéd example at this point, but I’d like to also point to bodily health/aesthetics.
Sure personal grooming is more accessible and as such makes sense to take pride in, but - “haha, such and such has bad teeth”? A dentist costs money, braces and whitening costs money. You can brush your teeth all you like day of your life and your teeth will still be more strained than John Sweettooth who can afford better dental services. Bleaching is just as much of a class status symbol as having the latest Vans or whatever. (And also arguably somewhat of a culturally imperialist standard given how much the “Hollywood smile” was pushed as a body ideal by US cultural hegemony in the media, per my understanding).
It is of vital importance to your adult mental health that you join at least one subculture in a major way.
Religions and cults count but you’re probably healthier picking something with less of a top down power dynamic, like fetish, or queer activism, or a music subgenre.
This will constantly rejuvenate your social life and sense of self identity as you get older and prevent you getting absorbed into the wage labourer masses with only three or four peers you interact with regularly as you move towards, through and past your 30s, as is the depressing straight nuclear family norm under capitalism.
But you can escape it by being weird with a bunch of funky alternative folks on the weekends and evenings, I promise. Find something you can belong to.
one of the biggest signs that the united states is fundamentally an alien culture for me, filled with fundamentally alien people is that apparently family fights during thanks giving and Christmas, specially over politics or religion are so incredibly common as to be a cultural mainstay, a cliche of the holidays, there are dozens of articles and youtube videos about how to handle your racist uncle or whatever.
we dont have thanksgiving in my country but we do have christmas and new year and for me the go as follows: somewhere around 9 to 10 pm of the 24th (chrismass eve) we will all go to our aunt’s house or our grandma’s house (it changes every year) that is like 10 minutes away by driving. we will all hang out with music and whatever,eating candy and appetizers, by 11 we are all having dinner together, at 12 we all make a big toast, hug and kiss and congratulate each other, keep hanging out until like 3 or 4 am with lots of alcohol music and dancing, go home to sleep. then we wake up the 25th at like noon and then we go back to our aunt’s house or whoever happens to have a pool, eat the left overs and drink alcohol until like 4pm to 6pm.
i dont remember a single time where we had an argument or a big blowout, or whatever. but hey, maybe i just have a fantastic family, who knows.
My understanding was that the holiday blowups were a result of polarised generational politics combined with the American tradition of intense political faction evangelism on the right. My family has never argued in this way largely because we mostly agreed, and (back in the day, before my grandmother died and the following schisms that ended group Christmas) because my fascist-adjacent uncle knew better than to try anything.
Interested on which of these (or both) is preventing this being an issue in your family. Do you mostly not have big ideological differences (local/personal factor) or is arguing just not kosher (cultural factor differing from the US)?
“Let’s make games and media about other mythologies and pantheons other than Norse or Greco-Roman” is a take I really, really get, but the unfortunate reality is that most Western media conglomerates are pretty culturally white, and can you imagine the appropriation shitshow that would result from them portraying indigenous mythologies instead of the two pantheons that people can at least somewhat ascribe to Western European tradition? Ancient Egyptian seems the next most “safe” due to cultural penetration and time remove, and even that sparks discourse when it’s done. Honestly I’m surprised that Disney even mostly got away with Moana, and that hardly went without critique. I think the execs that don’t want bad press are well aware of this and are afraid to wade in.
I mean the obvious answer is for them to just hire people who can boast more claim to the tradition in question, but unfortunately it doesn’t tend to work that way en masse, and also, even if they did do that, there would be a continent who would complain anyway. Own narratives are frequently called out as bad rep, usually by people who don’t know the provenance (but sometimes even when they do!), and it’d be even worse with a big corporate name from the west attached.
Anyway buy foreign art I guess, but under current trends the big multi-billion God of War equivalent about African tradition is unlikely to come soon, I guess. Kind of an unfortunate side effect of the representation and appropriation discourse that makes certain kinds of narrative more scarce.
(A possible exception to all this might be, for instance, Japanese spiritual tradition, as there are plenty of Japanese media products that do well in the West. But this proves the point, because for instance I can think of examples of video games and films that feature oni, etc, whereas I can’t for the less widespread or internationally exposed traditions that I describe).
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe just signposting cultural consultants would get Western corps further than they realise. But either way I think the roadblock is the uncertainty.
But don’t get me wrong, media execs should take more of those risks regardless. But I just think so far the generally do not. Greek and Norse Gods are seen as much safer I feel.
“Let’s make games and media about other mythologies and pantheons other than Norse or Greco-Roman” is a take I really, really get, but the unfortunate reality is that most Western media conglomerates are pretty culturally white, and can you imagine the appropriation shitshow that would result from them portraying indigenous mythologies instead of the two pantheons that people can at least somewhat ascribe to Western European tradition? Ancient Egyptian seems the next most “safe” due to cultural penetration and time remove, and even that sparks discourse when it’s done. Honestly I’m surprised that Disney even mostly got away with Moana, and that hardly went without critique. I think the execs that don’t want bad press are well aware of this and are afraid to wade in.
I mean the obvious answer is for them to just hire people who can boast more claim to the tradition in question, but unfortunately it doesn’t tend to work that way en masse, and also, even if they did do that, there would be a continent who would complain anyway. Own narratives are frequently called out as bad rep, usually by people who don’t know the provenance (but sometimes even when they do!), and it’d be even worse with a big corporate name from the west attached.
Anyway buy foreign art I guess, but under current trends the big multi-billion God of War equivalent about African tradition is unlikely to come soon, I guess. Kind of an unfortunate side effect of the representation and appropriation discourse that makes certain kinds of narrative more scarce.
(A possible exception to all this might be, for instance, Japanese spiritual tradition, as there are plenty of Japanese media products that do well in the West. But this proves the point, because for instance I can think of examples of video games and films that feature oni, etc, whereas I can’t for the less widespread or internationally exposed traditions that I describe).
i think what is so irritating to me about people bemoaning ‘hookup culture’ is that they’re basically getting mad that other human beings aren’t following thier own personal preferences. omg im suffering so much because people are doing whatever they want instead of what i want them to do. you could call this reactionary but on an even more fundamental level it’s deeply pathetic
It’s because they’ve convinced themselves that their own hangups and those of their culture that cause them so much shame and angst and jealousy are good and necessary, in order to justify what they’ve been taught and their own sunk cost of missed opportunities. Accepting that other people can ignore them and be fine would show them up and expose the folly so they have to attack and assert those norms on others in self-defense.
The same thing happens with polyamory, and indeed a whole bunch of “nontraditional” social dynamics. It’s annoying but I can take solace in it also being very sad for them.
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