Anonymous asked:
Do we know under what Vanguard Eris started as a Guardian? More precisely which Hunter Vanguard cause they had quite a few of those
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It’s not known and will remain unknown until we know more about some of them (and Eris).
The earliest big event in Eris’ life as a Guardian is participation in the Ahamkara Hunt, but there’s no information about who was Hunter Vanguard at the time or when exactly it happened. We also don’t know if she was rezed immediately before that or long before that.
It could honestly be any of them before Andal Brask.
cayde is back for final shape and it looks like it’s in some kind of metaphysical, temporary way (ikora has her ghost but he doesn’t, they’re on the other side of the veil triangle etc) but bringing him back even in a limited capacity is, to me, disappointing. it retroactively cheapens forsakens story and sucks out a lot of the tension around death in destiny, which wasn’t that strong to begin with. the vast majority of characters are immortal, but now even permanent, final death isn’t really final. this really weakens the stakes and overall just feels like an attempt to draw old fans back in, not a natural next step in the story. this is “wouldn’t this be cool” type writing. this is “jangling keys at redditors” type writing. this being the literal first sneak peek at final shape, the thing they really want everyone to see, the thing that’s the most important to them to show, really puts me on edge because it shows their priorities and they’re not ones that i like or agree with. i don’t want to jump to conclusions and i will certainly be waiting for the showcase to really pass judgement but my immediate reaction was that this sucks
Yeah, I made my other post with a bit of the positive stuff and what I am personally interested in, speculation wise. I definitely think this makes sense. If we’re dealing with history of the universe and memory of the dead then he would be there. However, I also agree with this. Cayde is such an iconically dead character that people have been clamoring for Bungie to return for so long and against all reason, that his mere presence is incredibly inflammatory and so big that it overshadows literally everything else that’s going on.
People will genuinely be out there thinking The Final Shape is about bringing Cayde back to life and not like. The plot of what’s actually going on in Destiny right now. To me, Cayde being there in the state he’s in shows me that I’m on the right track reading what Bungie has been trying to tell us lately. I see which points they’re making and which aspect they’re repeating and placing in important and revelatory lore entries.
So unless some truly baffling stuff happens in the next two seasons, he’s not coming back as a live character. He will likely have a presence because his memory is tied to Ikora and I think Ikora will be the bigger center piece here and I really want Ikora to have her spotlight instead of being overshadowed by Cayde. That’s honestly my biggest gripe with this. I want this to be about Ikora’s journey and exploration. If she’s in there, it means it’s super important for her to have gone there personally. I can’t wait to find out. But I don’t want the story or the community to make this solely about Cayde. We’re going into a portal that leads into another realm, possibly outside of regular spacetime. That’s what scifi is about. I want it to be about that.
Interestingly enough, now his memorial makes sense in the Tower. The memorial is there to remind and teach people about who he is so that in a year, there can be context about it when he shows up in a cutscene.
But yeah, I don’t think this is specifically a sign of bad writing. As a matter of fact, it makes perfect sense to me with what we know and what we’re dealing with with the current plot threads. But outside of that, any other dead character could’ve served the same purpose. Like let’s say Sagira? But they know that nothing will generate this much chatter and hype as Cayde, as well as draw people back to see the end. I don’t think it’s been decided on a whim, but unfortunately his presence in the marketing and whatever his presence is in the campaign… It will for sure put everything else in the background. And I don’t like that because literally everything else that’s going on right is a billion times more interesting and more important.
Look. I understand the Fortnite/Destiny 2 partnership. It’s batshit, it’s funny, and honestly the Destiny armour actually looks sick (Especially the Hunter armour), BUT WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH IS CAYDE-6 NOT A FORTNIGHT SKIN?!?!
EVEN ON A CAPITALISM SCALE IT’S DUMB! You could have literally got every Hunter main, every Cayde lover, pretty much every D2 and D1 player to buy a skin. You give us ANY Cayde content and we’re going to lap that shit up like we’re a dying man in the desert and it’s a glass of water. This is the community that got TIME TRAVEL involved. We were theorizing FOUR YEARS LATER about how we could bring this ONE character back. I’m pretty sure if we had an in-game choice between bringing Cayde-6 back or saving the entire universe we would bring Cayde back.
But instead we got the FUCKING Exo Stranger.
Tl;dr, Bungie and Fortnite are fools for not putting a Cayde-6 skin into this collaboration.
The Fortnite partnership is an event designed to get people who play Fortnite interested in Destiny (and the other way around). It’s a promotion for Destiny in Fortnite.
It makes no sense to promote Destiny with a character that players coming to Destiny will never meet in the game. People seeing Destiny stuff in Fortnite will be interested in trying Destiny out and having a skin based on a dead character would be confusing. The point is to get a wider audience interested in Destiny and promote it with currently existing and relevant characters so that when they jump from Fortnite to Destiny, they can recognise the characters.
Elsie was a huge face of entire Beyond Light campaign and is very likely going to be further relevant going forward. She is also actually a time travelling robot that jumps between dimensions so if anyone has a lore reason to be in Fortnite, it’s her. Elsie is far more important for the current story of Destiny.
But lore aside, it does truly boil down to capitalism. They want people to get attached to Fortnite skins and then move to Destiny and be able to recognise the characters they saw in Fortnite. Nobody who plays Fortnite knows who is Cayde and the number of Destiny players thinking Cayde is the most important character ever is at an all time low.
Promotions like this only work if players can actually get invested in the currently relevant characters. Cayde is not. He died 4 years ago and nobody coming to Destiny from Fortnite has any sort of an attachment to him. And a vast majority of Destiny players don’t really care about him anymore. Elsie is also an equally beloved character that has been with us since D1 launch and is actually still alive so people who come to Destiny 2 will be able to meet her.
I’ve seen this line of thinking repeat a lot so I wanted to address it once and for all.
Anonymous asked:
That Ikora wielding Arc art made me think: which elements have we seen/read members of the Vanguard not use?
thefirstknife answered:
From the Vanguard we’ve had in the games, Cayde and Crow have, to my knowledge, only been shown using Solar. And the only other previous Hunter Vanguard we can speculate on is Caliban-8 due to the Caliban’s Hand exotic which is Solar-only. So we’ve not seen any Hunter Vanguards using anything other than Solar.
Meanwhile, both Ikora and Zavala have nearly everything except Solar. Zavala was shown as both Void and Arc, and most recently as Stasis. Ikora also Void and Arc, as well as both Strand and Stasis.
As an aside, Saint is known for all three Light classes (most famous for Void, Sunbreaker in the early days, shown using Arc in the Osiris comic). And Osiris is the only one who was in some way shown using all subclasses (both Light and Dark).
This isn’t accounting for Prismatic, but personally I think that Osiris using several subclasses at once on at least two occasions passes him that test.
In TTK’s Nightstalker quest, Cayde talks about the subclass like he’s probably used it before. It’s vague and indirect but stuff like The Nightstalker’s Trail grimoire card would sound weirder if he hadn’t.
Also interesting! I agree, this would definitely sound weird if he hadn’t tried it himself, even if we account for him being friends with Tevis. The way he describes it looks way too personal to just be an observation of someone else using it. As I said in the other reply, I would definitely expect all Lightbearers to have tried all subclasses at least once.
Now that I think about it, with how many bounties there are and all the text on them, it’s possible that others have mentioned other subclasses too (primarily Ikora and Zavala mentioning using Solar. I would be very surprised if Ikora never tried Solar).
Anonymous asked:
That Ikora wielding Arc art made me think: which elements have we seen/read members of the Vanguard not use?
thefirstknife answered:
From the Vanguard we’ve had in the games, Cayde and Crow have, to my knowledge, only been shown using Solar. And the only other previous Hunter Vanguard we can speculate on is Caliban-8 due to the Caliban’s Hand exotic which is Solar-only. So we’ve not seen any Hunter Vanguards using anything other than Solar.
Meanwhile, both Ikora and Zavala have nearly everything except Solar. Zavala was shown as both Void and Arc, and most recently as Stasis. Ikora also Void and Arc, as well as both Strand and Stasis.
As an aside, Saint is known for all three Light classes (most famous for Void, Sunbreaker in the early days, shown using Arc in the Osiris comic). And Osiris is the only one who was in some way shown using all subclasses (both Light and Dark).
This isn’t accounting for Prismatic, but personally I think that Osiris using several subclasses at once on at least two occasions passes him that test.
The text on the arcstrider's patience emote implies that Cayde at least tried the subclass for a time
Interesting! I’ve seen also people mentioning that he used an Arc grenade that one time in TTK, but I don’t remember the exact moment to try and find it. Tbh, it wouldn’t be surprising to me if more or less every Lightbearer tried all subclasses at least once.
Anonymous asked:
That Ikora wielding Arc art made me think: which elements have we seen/read members of the Vanguard not use?
From the Vanguard we’ve had in the games, Cayde and Crow have, to my knowledge, only been shown using Solar. And the only other previous Hunter Vanguard we can speculate on is Caliban-8 due to the Caliban’s Hand exotic which is Solar-only. So we’ve not seen any Hunter Vanguards using anything other than Solar.
Meanwhile, both Ikora and Zavala have nearly everything except Solar. Zavala was shown as both Void and Arc, and most recently as Stasis. Ikora also Void and Arc, as well as both Strand and Stasis.
As an aside, Saint is known for all three Light classes (most famous for Void, Sunbreaker in the early days, shown using Arc in the Osiris comic). And Osiris is the only one who was in some way shown using all subclasses (both Light and Dark).
This isn’t accounting for Prismatic, but personally I think that Osiris using several subclasses at once on at least two occasions passes him that test.
You cant be homophobic and play Destiny its like the most gay game ever.
theres the straight up confirmed Gays:
Osiris and Saint are together (possibly married?) own a house together and this whole season has a subplot out Saint looking for his Partner.
Devrim HAS A HUSBAND CALLED MARC. Gay EDZ husbands ftw. THEY RAISED HAWTHORNE TOGETHER TOO.
and then theres Probable Queers:
Highly Likely Drifter is Pansexual. Look at him.
Eris Morn And Ana Bray are most likely Sapphics.
And then theres the Fandom Queers:
Andal and Cayde- Were they even alive at the same time? idk anything about Andal but the fandom seems to LOVE him and Cayde.
Shaxx and Fellwinter is a given and suprised bungie hasnt mentioned they straight up dated at some point.
Here’s more about the canon LGBT+ characters and couples! There’s a lot more confirmed ones. Bungie isn’t holding back with this.
And yes, Ana is in a happy relationship with a woman called Camrin Dumuzi. They have a kiss in the comic!
There are also interesting parallels between O14 content and some content between Ikora and Eris.
Also yes, Andal and Cayde were alive at the same time. They were best friends basically and ran in a fireteam together (with some other Hunters too, including Shiro-4). When Andal got killed, Cayde really never fully recovered from that loss. Cayde’s cloak that he wore in game originally belonged to Andal. There’s not much information about whether they had any romantic involvement, but it’s Destiny! It’s possible.
Cayde also canonicaly enjoyed reading trashy romance novels, some of which featured gay characters. So he could reasonably be bi/pan.
