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#destiny 2 #andal #cayde-6 #lmaaoooLook. I understand the Fortnite/Destiny 2 partnership. It’s batshit, it’s funny, and honestly the Destiny armour actually looks sick (Especially the Hunter armour), BUT WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH IS CAYDE-6 NOT A FORTNIGHT SKIN?!?!
EVEN ON A CAPITALISM SCALE IT’S DUMB! You could have literally got every Hunter main, every Cayde lover, pretty much every D2 and D1 player to buy a skin. You give us ANY Cayde content and we’re going to lap that shit up like we’re a dying man in the desert and it’s a glass of water. This is the community that got TIME TRAVEL involved. We were theorizing FOUR YEARS LATER about how we could bring this ONE character back. I’m pretty sure if we had an in-game choice between bringing Cayde-6 back or saving the entire universe we would bring Cayde back.
But instead we got the FUCKING Exo Stranger.
Tl;dr, Bungie and Fortnite are fools for not putting a Cayde-6 skin into this collaboration.
The Fortnite partnership is an event designed to get people who play Fortnite interested in Destiny (and the other way around). It’s a promotion for Destiny in Fortnite.
It makes no sense to promote Destiny with a character that players coming to Destiny will never meet in the game. People seeing Destiny stuff in Fortnite will be interested in trying Destiny out and having a skin based on a dead character would be confusing. The point is to get a wider audience interested in Destiny and promote it with currently existing and relevant characters so that when they jump from Fortnite to Destiny, they can recognise the characters.
Elsie was a huge face of entire Beyond Light campaign and is very likely going to be further relevant going forward. She is also actually a time travelling robot that jumps between dimensions so if anyone has a lore reason to be in Fortnite, it’s her. Elsie is far more important for the current story of Destiny.
But lore aside, it does truly boil down to capitalism. They want people to get attached to Fortnite skins and then move to Destiny and be able to recognise the characters they saw in Fortnite. Nobody who plays Fortnite knows who is Cayde and the number of Destiny players thinking Cayde is the most important character ever is at an all time low.
Promotions like this only work if players can actually get invested in the currently relevant characters. Cayde is not. He died 4 years ago and nobody coming to Destiny from Fortnite has any sort of an attachment to him. And a vast majority of Destiny players don’t really care about him anymore. Elsie is also an equally beloved character that has been with us since D1 launch and is actually still alive so people who come to Destiny 2 will be able to meet her.
I’ve seen this line of thinking repeat a lot so I wanted to address it once and for all.
Anonymous asked:
Do we know under what Vanguard Eris started as a Guardian? More precisely which Hunter Vanguard cause they had quite a few of those
It’s not known and will remain unknown until we know more about some of them (and Eris).
The earliest big event in Eris’ life as a Guardian is participation in the Ahamkara Hunt, but there’s no information about who was Hunter Vanguard at the time or when exactly it happened. We also don’t know if she was rezed immediately before that or long before that.
It could honestly be any of them before Andal Brask.
cayde is back for final shape and it looks like it’s in some kind of metaphysical, temporary way (ikora has her ghost but he doesn’t, they’re on the other side of the veil triangle etc) but bringing him back even in a limited capacity is, to me, disappointing. it retroactively cheapens forsakens story and sucks out a lot of the tension around death in destiny, which wasn’t that strong to begin with. the vast majority of characters are immortal, but now even permanent, final death isn’t really final. this really weakens the stakes and overall just feels like an attempt to draw old fans back in, not a natural next step in the story. this is “wouldn’t this be cool” type writing. this is “jangling keys at redditors” type writing. this being the literal first sneak peek at final shape, the thing they really want everyone to see, the thing that’s the most important to them to show, really puts me on edge because it shows their priorities and they’re not ones that i like or agree with. i don’t want to jump to conclusions and i will certainly be waiting for the showcase to really pass judgement but my immediate reaction was that this sucks
Yeah, I made my other post with a bit of the positive stuff and what I am personally interested in, speculation wise. I definitely think this makes sense. If we’re dealing with history of the universe and memory of the dead then he would be there. However, I also agree with this. Cayde is such an iconically dead character that people have been clamoring for Bungie to return for so long and against all reason, that his mere presence is incredibly inflammatory and so big that it overshadows literally everything else that’s going on.
People will genuinely be out there thinking The Final Shape is about bringing Cayde back to life and not like. The plot of what’s actually going on in Destiny right now. To me, Cayde being there in the state he’s in shows me that I’m on the right track reading what Bungie has been trying to tell us lately. I see which points they’re making and which aspect they’re repeating and placing in important and revelatory lore entries.
So unless some truly baffling stuff happens in the next two seasons, he’s not coming back as a live character. He will likely have a presence because his memory is tied to Ikora and I think Ikora will be the bigger center piece here and I really want Ikora to have her spotlight instead of being overshadowed by Cayde. That’s honestly my biggest gripe with this. I want this to be about Ikora’s journey and exploration. If she’s in there, it means it’s super important for her to have gone there personally. I can’t wait to find out. But I don’t want the story or the community to make this solely about Cayde. We’re going into a portal that leads into another realm, possibly outside of regular spacetime. That’s what scifi is about. I want it to be about that.
Interestingly enough, now his memorial makes sense in the Tower. The memorial is there to remind and teach people about who he is so that in a year, there can be context about it when he shows up in a cutscene.
But yeah, I don’t think this is specifically a sign of bad writing. As a matter of fact, it makes perfect sense to me with what we know and what we’re dealing with with the current plot threads. But outside of that, any other dead character could’ve served the same purpose. Like let’s say Sagira? But they know that nothing will generate this much chatter and hype as Cayde, as well as draw people back to see the end. I don’t think it’s been decided on a whim, but unfortunately his presence in the marketing and whatever his presence is in the campaign… It will for sure put everything else in the background. And I don’t like that because literally everything else that’s going on right is a billion times more interesting and more important.
screaming-for-eternally asked:
Tbh, I want Cayde back, bad, in some way or form, but I don't want it in a way that distracts from everything else. I say, IF they ever bring him back, don't have it be the center of the plot. Is it unlikely? Yes. But honestly, I'm holding onto hope
Also, I can't speak for everyone, but for me at least, Cayde was the only guy I could relate to. Zavala, while well meaning, could come across as too by-the-book, while Ikora...well I know next to nothing about her, so that's on me. Cayde? He felt more like an everyman to me. Only recently got into Destiny, so much only interactions with him came from going through the first game.
I think that bringing him back but not having him be relevant would be worse. Like, how would they bring him back without making a significant plot out of it? It would be very weird. He would just return and exist and contribute nothing? What would be the point? Not to mention that it would completely invalidate everything from Forsaken onwards and then not even do anything with it story-wise.
I can sympathise with relating to Cayde; he was very accessible to new players and easy to relate to when I had no idea about anyone else. I also remember that when I first started playing, I didn’t really understand that the game isn’t a fully serious game until Cayde. Like, his comic relief added an aspect to the setting that I really liked and that I later found in other lore as well. There’s a lot of lighthearted and funny moments in Destiny! Cayde was, to me, kind of an introduction to the overall feel of the setting.
But I would definitely recommend looking more into other characters. Clinging onto the hope that Cayde specifically will be back can be really detrimental. There’s so much else that happened since and so many new characters and new stories were introduced.
From my own experience: I never played D1 (no console). I played D2 vanilla all year long. When they announced Forsaken and the trailer was out and it became obvious that Cayde was going to die, I was pissed. I didn’t know much about lore, but I knew I liked Cayde and didn’t understand why they would spoil his death in a trailer and then use it to promote the expansion and make jokes. Due to that and also the changes to the game that they announced which I disliked, I stopped playing. Didn’t get Forsaken and just stopped playing for a year. I got back when Destiny 2 came to Steam because hey, it’s free and I have all the content anyway so might as well check it out to see if I’ll like it. And I did! I bought Forsaken, bought Shadowkeep, got into lore and at that point, I was no longer in this weird place where my enjoyment of Destiny hinged on a single character. And that made the game and the setting better to me.
Bit rambly, but I wanted to address this because I’ve been there. And honestly, expanding my knowledge of the setting and learning more about other characters was so much better for me and my engagement with Destiny. I can’t imagine focusing solely on Cayde and still hoping he’ll come back after 3 years of storytelling very obviously telling us that won’t be the case.
Anonymous asked:
This is kind of a rant so feel free to ignore it if you don't wanna answer, but man, I'm starting to legit feel bad for liking Cayde. The majority of his fanbase is so stubborn and obsessive to a lowkey creepy level. Yes, I miss him! Yes sometimes I wish he was back! But that goes against his wishes and would be so disrespectful to him! I feel people love him for the wrong reasons and only focus on his funny façade rather than his deeper layers. Cayde wasn't just a funny guy, he was using a shell to make himself look like a dumbass to hide a more tormented and insecure part of himself, and I wish people got that! He's done shitty things, he was flawed like everybody else and tried getting better. I think if Cayde was still alive or even real, he'd be so disgusted by the attitude his fans got (see: Crow's treatment). Even though I wish he didn't end like this, it's a way for Bungie (at least I think) to tell us that shit's getting real, and our most closest and beloved friends, even ourselves are not safe from it. Since the beginning of D2, shit's been hitting the fan, and Cayde, like anyone else wasn't immune. Sorry for the big ramble but I really wanted to get this off my chest.
You definitely shouldn’t feel bad for liking Cayde! I like him too! He was my first fave character, although I didn’t know much about Destiny at the time so my options were limited. But I still enjoy Cayde as a character and think he’s interesting and cool. And yes, I cried all three times playing Forsaken. It’s an amazingly crafted storyline full of tragedy of all sorts.
There’s definitely a subset of his fans that took liking him to an obsessive level though. And it’s honestly tiring and putting people off the character himself. This isn’t isolated to just Cayde or Destiny btw, this sort of a thing happens in every fandom. Even in real life. Some people take admiration and love for fictional characters and celebrities too far.
With Cayde in particular, it’s become a tiring trend of seeing these people sidelining everything that’s currently happening in the story and trying to spin it to how it could mean Cayde can come back. Or, worse, that Bungie is messing up by not bringing him back. It’s such a disrespectful way of looking at the developing story of Destiny.
Cayde died. It’s over. His death caused a lot of things to happen and start moving in different directions. His death will never not be an important point of Destiny’s story. His story is over though.
I swear we’ll be waiting for The Final Shape to drop and people will be saying “Maybe it’s about Cayde coming back!”
Anonymous asked:
That Ikora wielding Arc art made me think: which elements have we seen/read members of the Vanguard not use?
thefirstknife answered:
From the Vanguard we’ve had in the games, Cayde and Crow have, to my knowledge, only been shown using Solar. And the only other previous Hunter Vanguard we can speculate on is Caliban-8 due to the Caliban’s Hand exotic which is Solar-only. So we’ve not seen any Hunter Vanguards using anything other than Solar.
Meanwhile, both Ikora and Zavala have nearly everything except Solar. Zavala was shown as both Void and Arc, and most recently as Stasis. Ikora also Void and Arc, as well as both Strand and Stasis.
As an aside, Saint is known for all three Light classes (most famous for Void, Sunbreaker in the early days, shown using Arc in the Osiris comic). And Osiris is the only one who was in some way shown using all subclasses (both Light and Dark).
This isn’t accounting for Prismatic, but personally I think that Osiris using several subclasses at once on at least two occasions passes him that test.
In TTK’s Nightstalker quest, Cayde talks about the subclass like he’s probably used it before. It’s vague and indirect but stuff like The Nightstalker’s Trail grimoire card would sound weirder if he hadn’t.
Also interesting! I agree, this would definitely sound weird if he hadn’t tried it himself, even if we account for him being friends with Tevis. The way he describes it looks way too personal to just be an observation of someone else using it. As I said in the other reply, I would definitely expect all Lightbearers to have tried all subclasses at least once.
Now that I think about it, with how many bounties there are and all the text on them, it’s possible that others have mentioned other subclasses too (primarily Ikora and Zavala mentioning using Solar. I would be very surprised if Ikora never tried Solar).
Anonymous asked:
That Ikora wielding Arc art made me think: which elements have we seen/read members of the Vanguard not use?
thefirstknife answered:
From the Vanguard we’ve had in the games, Cayde and Crow have, to my knowledge, only been shown using Solar. And the only other previous Hunter Vanguard we can speculate on is Caliban-8 due to the Caliban’s Hand exotic which is Solar-only. So we’ve not seen any Hunter Vanguards using anything other than Solar.
Meanwhile, both Ikora and Zavala have nearly everything except Solar. Zavala was shown as both Void and Arc, and most recently as Stasis. Ikora also Void and Arc, as well as both Strand and Stasis.
As an aside, Saint is known for all three Light classes (most famous for Void, Sunbreaker in the early days, shown using Arc in the Osiris comic). And Osiris is the only one who was in some way shown using all subclasses (both Light and Dark).
This isn’t accounting for Prismatic, but personally I think that Osiris using several subclasses at once on at least two occasions passes him that test.
Interesting! I’ve seen also people mentioning that he used an Arc grenade that one time in TTK, but I don’t remember the exact moment to try and find it. Tbh, it wouldn’t be surprising to me if more or less every Lightbearer tried all subclasses at least once.
Anonymous asked:
That Ikora wielding Arc art made me think: which elements have we seen/read members of the Vanguard not use?
From the Vanguard we’ve had in the games, Cayde and Crow have, to my knowledge, only been shown using Solar. And the only other previous Hunter Vanguard we can speculate on is Caliban-8 due to the Caliban’s Hand exotic which is Solar-only. So we’ve not seen any Hunter Vanguards using anything other than Solar.
Meanwhile, both Ikora and Zavala have nearly everything except Solar. Zavala was shown as both Void and Arc, and most recently as Stasis. Ikora also Void and Arc, as well as both Strand and Stasis.
As an aside, Saint is known for all three Light classes (most famous for Void, Sunbreaker in the early days, shown using Arc in the Osiris comic). And Osiris is the only one who was in some way shown using all subclasses (both Light and Dark).
This isn’t accounting for Prismatic, but personally I think that Osiris using several subclasses at once on at least two occasions passes him that test.
