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@incredibyler

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day 1 conformitygate truther

my conformitygate posts masterlist

my favorite comformitygate posts from other creators

what I believe the best case scenario will be

#good thing the resolution to conformitygate for me is alternate eps 6 7 and 8 with canon byler saving the world #and actually being the good ending and forcing the GA to accept that gay love empowers when it can be acted on and not just accepted #gate 1 is repression / gate 2 is mere acceptance / gate 3 is escaping conformity and having the freedom to be yourself and love who you want

+ it’s straightbait under the temporary guise of queerbait, a meta social commentary bringing major attention to the concept of queerbaiting while demonstrating the consequences of succumbing to conformity

theories I stand on currently

  • real episodes 6 & 7 on Jan 7th
  • real finale on Jan 13th or 14th
  • new episode(s) Jan 11th or 12th?
  • 11 episodes in total for st5
  • mike is being vecna’d and entered his trance when vecna told will “they [the minds that don’t belong in this world] belong in mine [his world/mind]”
  • cutgate was legit and purposefully leaked, and we will be getting those scenes in the new episodes
  • there is a bigger enemy that controls or projects the MF (thessalhydra, false hydra, elder brain, Tharizdun?)
  • conformitygate was purposefully brought to major media outlets in order to bait the GA over Jan 7th
  • and byler endgame obviously
  • and absolutely no cheating byler.
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Mike still has demo imagery even in the epilogue.

But this time they have little eyeballs in the centre. Which is concerning.

This got long so here I am lol @mymusingss

I do think that we'll still get all the extra stuff we haven't seen yet, since like you said, that would be a crazy waste of money. That is a good point about the doc being like a Craven rip off, and I don't think they'd do that even with Craven's (hypothetical) approval. I haven't watched NoES 7 yet like I want to so my opinion might change after I do, but I've been going back and forth a lot on documentarygate theories.

My current and favorite theory is that the cast/characters realize in real time during the docu that they actually lost and are stuck in Camazotz, but this is where my theory splits into indecision:

ESOTSM + BYLER. memories, love and inevitable comeback

I am still at the restaurant.

There is one thing that still haunts me about all this conformitygate / episode 9 or whatever else suits this discourse:

obvious visual simulularities

memories, love, it's erasure and inevitable comeback being the crucial part of the plot:

The film says love could be the emotional equivalent of muscle memory; it’s buried so deep that even modern science, or science fiction, can’t reach it. Love isn’t what we remember; it’s what we are. For all the memory Dr. M. extracts from Joel, the doctor neglects to remove his patient’s heart, and that leads the poor sap right back to his unforgettable inamorata. If it’s meant to happen, it will, over and over. You can’t erase destiny.

Will's memory loss / obvious unreliability of his memories:

"He is just my Tammy".

The ESOTSM tapes being "the keepers of memories", and also what helped the heroes to learn the "erased" past and start all over again despite the uncertainty of the future and possibilities to make mistakes again and again.

mysterious ST "for Will" tape official merch

meet me-

...start all over again despite the uncertainty of the future.

Ofc I can't say if there will be a new episode, but if there is, it has to be there.

Even if that was the end, we will write various versions of our own, because

If it’s meant to happen, it will, over and over. You can’t erase destiny.

hi! I took a hiatus between v2 and the finale, so I only heard about cutgate through the grapevine. Do you happen to have a rundown of the theory and its proof? or, if you can link me to a post about it here (I don't have twt), I'd really appreciate it!

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Sure thing!

I found out about cutgate through comments on TikTok saying Netflix/the showrunners cut content from vol2; the comments were also linking a google doc and a petition. The doc has since been deleted or privated, but here are screenshots of it that I found:

It is mostly Byler scenes, which can make people skeptical that it's just Byler copium (I say screw the antis), but it's almost the whole point that all the 'bad writing' can be attributed to Byler being written out in vol 2 and 3 (aka Mike conforming to heterosexual expectations).

Also, the petition has gotten almost 400k signatures with no response from Netflix or the Duffers. If I remember correctly, it had reached 300k before vol3 even released. So far, cutgate and conformitygate have only been 'debunked' by one person--Randy Havens, aka Mr. Clarke's actor.

It's weird that he is the only one to come right out and address it, and not the Duffers or the main cast members. And why him of all people? Check out this connection I made the other day, and also another post I found with the same idea.

Documentarygate is a theory that the ST docu releasing on the 12th will blur the lines between real life and fiction--be meta, the word Millie chose to describe the finale. Also, look into the Nightmare on Elm Street 7, a docu-style movie made after the audience was meant to believe Krueger was dead in NoES 6 (spoiler--he wasn't).

This meta-ness also suggests blurred lines between actor and character. Mr. Clarke was left in the dark re: the UD all the way up until ST5 vol 2, so that coupled with the fact that Havens is the only one to have addressed those gates (to this day) leads me to believe it's also an act.

I personally believe the cutgate 'leaks' were done on purpose for us to be loud about it and bring larger attention to the huge plot holes and inconsistencies in vol 2. Along the same lines, I also believe conformitygate was purposefully brought to major news outlets to ring the GA in on believing in the theory that it's not over yet (and also bait them with the lack of a Jan 7th secret episode so that they're as angry as everyone else that doesn't still believe in more eps).

Hopefully that covers everything. My head is filled to the brim with everything that's happened the last couple weeks and all the different connections and theories 😭 But please let me know what your thoughts are!

1943: Capt. Brenner makes first known contact with Dim X/Abyss,

43 years later, 1986: Vecna’s four gates open, Hawkins is carved into a big X.

1953: Henry comes into contact with the MF,

1983: Will is taken

43 years later, 2026.

There is a host over Vecna and the MF, as hinted on WSQK (paraphrase—“we’ll get to see who hosted the most shows, and I don’t think it’s [Vance] or Mindy Flare”).

This creature learned of Hawkins’ existence in 1943, broke through 43 years later. Then, it learned of our existence in 1983 through Will, and 43 years later… it comes for us. The finale is ‘meta’ -Millie

ps. please check out this creator’s other vids, especially this one that theorizes the creature/BBEG is Tharizdun from d&d lore!!

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Mileven bones confirmation coming as a package deal with conformitygate confirmation was NOT on my bingocard but allas!! Real finale one the right, ep8 on the left.

“She’s not (his? mike’s?) happy memory.” THIS IS WHY THERE WAS A WEIRD MILEVEN EDIT SMACKBANG IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FINALE IT WAS BC IT’S A FAILED HAPPY MEMORY MONTAGE AND SHE’S NOT HIS HAPPY MEMORY!! Do y’all know what this means…

In S2, when Will is first possessed by the Mind Flayer, the camera circles Will as the particles flood into him.

In BTS footage from 2.3, we see that they filmed this with baby!Noah standing in the dark, in the middle of a circular camera track.

They use a similar circular track for the “real world” version of the scene, where the camera also circles Will, Joyce, and the others as Will is in his trance.

(I can’t find the image of the BTS, but you can see the camera spinning, so just trust.)

In BTS footage from 5.5, we see big!Noah standing in the middle of a similar circular track in the scene where Will attacks Vecna at the WSQK.

Noah and the director are going over what motions he’s going to use in that sequence.

But in the actual scene in the show, the camera does not circle him.

It stays right in front of him the whole time, slowly zooming in further and further...

... and then it’s over.

The camera flips to a rear shot when Henry attacks Will back.

So what (version of that) scene were they filming that needed the circular track around Noah?

(Another possession? 👀)

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Reminder that the very core of conformity gate is Mike Wheeler being a queer closeted man who chose conformity over being his true self, and now he’s seeing his life pass by with the consequences of that decision (except it’s all happening in his head where we, the audience, is trapped with him under Vecna’s curse)

The gate doesn’t WORK unless Mike is a closeted queer man.

It also doesn’t work if Byler isn’t canon.

That’s the gate.

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Mikes orange mohawk. If your in this tag you probably know that Max told Holly Mike almost got a 'hot orange mohawk' before Nancy talked him out of it in episode 4. Many have related Mikes desire for a orange mowhakw to his admiration for David Bowie, who also had a bright orange mohawk. Something else has been on my mind though.

This guy. Axel. From season 2 episode 7, he was apart of Kali's gang. In season 5 episode 5, the episode after the audience learns mike wanted a bright orange mohawk, we see Axel shot in the head by the military, his mohawk clearly in view.

I was trying to see if their was some sort of connection, because I feel like mentioning an orange mohawk, then having a guy with an orange mohawk appearing the next episode, is gonna automatically generate some questions. I rewatched the scenes Axel appears in, and in his introduction scene he threatens Jane (El) with a knife, before Kali makes visions of spiders appear on his arm.

He freaks out and dances around trying to get them off, before realizing they're an illusion from Kali. He yells at her to "stay out of my head!"

This brings me to my next point---the mind flayer looks a lot like a spider.

More than it ever has in previous seasons.

The mind and meat flayer always had spider elements, but the final season mind flayer fully pushed into the spider design, with pincers, thin spider legs, and a large spider body.

Maybe Mike is paralleled to Axel with the orange Mohawk line to also parallel the illusion of spiders? Axel has an orange mohawk and sees illusions of spiders. Mike wanted an orange mohawk and see illusions of a spider-like monster. Both spiders in these instances are not real. An illusion. "Stay out of my head!"

I know this is kind of a reach, and the David Bowie explanation makes more than enough sense, I just wonder why mention an orange mohawk---which is an entirely new piece of information regarding Mikes character, they did not have to use the orange mohawk line---then include a character with said mohawk the very next episode? Was it just coincidence?

If anybody has any other connections they think their might be between these two characters, let me know!

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