I was asking because the alters in OSDD1a systems are usually described as not completely seperate but different aspects of the host. I am currently questioning if I might have OSDD1a because it would explain a lot and also have a character I'm questioning being a kintype since forever. Him being a fictive would actually explain why fictotype never really fit, but I wasn't sure if that's possible because of the "alters are not completely seperate" aspect. So thanks for the answer~
If you’re considering the possibility that your system mates are not wholly separate from you, you may also want to look into the term “median system”, which can also be described that way. It may be helpful to you! But yes, there’s nothing stopping any kind of system from having fictives.
I hope it's okay to ask, not sure how knowledgable you are about this. Is it possible to have fictives in a OSDD 1a system?
Buddy, any system can have fictives. Any system.
Endogenic. Traumagenic. Spiritual. Psychological. Fictive just means they either are a fictional character, or believe they’re a fictional character.
The nuance comes in only when you believe there’s a difference between those two things, IE: you believe as I do that the spirits of actual fictional characters can literally and metaphysically share someone’s body.
revised alterhuman definition
Alterhuman: A member of the nonhuman/otherworldly community. Anyone who identifies as, or is connected to a non-human, or non-traditionally human (such as plural/multiple); or identifies as someone or something from or connected to a place other than this earth.
natural multiplicity terms
Lately several DID sufferers have expressed the view that natural multiples using the term ’system’ to describe themselves is in some way appropriative or dismissive toward their illness.
While I don’t agree that that’s the case, I am not someone who likes to offend people for the sake of it, nor have I ever had any particular attachment to the word ‘system’.
I’ve had other multiples in the past tell me that they don’t like the word system either. They feel its too clinical, or just doesn’t describe them. Personally, my gripe with the term is that its just not particularly clear what it means.
Due to these factors I will no longer be using the term ‘system’ to refer to myself and my headmates. Instead I will be using the term mental collective.
I feel that mental collective is easily understood by anyone in or out of the multiple community, and it carries no connotations of being a clinical term.
If you feel that mental collective describes you, or someone you know please use it and spread it around.
I will still be answering asks, or replying to posts that use the term system, even for natural multiples, soulbonders, etc, but I will not be using the term to apply to myself from now on.
As I understand it the term system is meant similarly to ‘star system’: A star system or stellar system is a small number of stars that orbit each other, bound by gravitational attraction.
Like a star system, systems of headmates are all independant people who ‘orbit’ one another bound by one body and brain.
The term has been in use for quite a long time, and is generally accepted However there are those who use their own terms.
A non-fictive headmate is pretty simple anon ^^
If you have a headmate and you don’t immediately know what canon/source they are from, then they are most likely a non-fictive headmate.
Non-fictive headmates have their own personalities, histories, and appearances, just like fictive headmates. The only difference is that they don’t share their identity with someone from fiction.
Non-fictive headmates may, like fictives, have had lives before sharing a mind with you. They may be lawyers, teachers, space-pirates, school children, or woolly mamoths (or frankly anything). But it is also possible for them to only have experienced the world for the time they were with you in which case their history will be the same as yours, from the time they came into existence.
The best way to get to know a headmate is to talk to them. Ask them about themselves. Their names If they come from somewhere else, what they remember, what sort of tea they like :p
In most cases you will immediately know if a headmate is fictive because you will be familiar with them. In some rare cases, you may have a headmate who you think is non-fictive, and later you read/watch something and discover that they actually are a character from that. But that is very rare. Mostly people only encounter fictives of people they are familiar with.
Kin vs Multiple, an explaination
Abby is kin. Abby’s kinselves are Dirk, Legolas, and Pikachu.
Bobby is multiple. Bobby shares headspace with Jane, Aragorn, and Charizard.
Abby experiences her kinselves as one single and complete individual. Dirk, Legolas, and Pikachu are all active parts of her identity, who add to the whole of who she is. She has memories and feelings of being each of them. Maybe she even remembers that when she was Dirk, she remembered being Legolas. Though she may call herself Legolas or Pikachu sometimes, no matter what name she is using she is the same person.
Bobby experiences his headmates as separate from his identity. Bobby is one person, Jane is another separate person. Aragorn is seperate from Bobby and Jane. Charizard is separate from all of them. Bobby is a complete individual with opinions, dreams, likes, dislikes, etc, that are different from those of Jane, , Aragorn, and Charizard. Bobby’s name is Bobby. If you are talking to Jane or Aragorn you are not talking to Bobby.
Abby remembers being a different sex, and a different species. She may grow uncomfortable with female pronouns and decide that she is a transman. Or she may full embrace being a female, or having another gender identity all together in this life.
Bobby’s sex is male. When Jane is ‘fronting’ (which means using the body she shares with Bobby) Jane will probably want to be called a girl. This does not make Bobby trans, because Bobby and Jane are separate.
Abby has memories and feelings left over from her kin lives. She remembers what it feels like to be inside a pokeball, and she also remembers what it is like to kill an orc with a longsword.
Bobby’s memories are Bobby’s.He may or may not be able to share the memories of Jane, Aragorn, and Charizard, but they are not his memories. Charizard sometimes forgets how to use a fork with Bobby’s hands, and Bobby must correct him.
Abby is always herself, no matter how close or distant she feels to the memories of her old life. Sometimes she feels very close to one life or another and experience a ‘shift’, which is a kind of full body flashback. Even if Abby is experiencing a ‘Dirk shift’ she is still fully Abby, and fully Legolas. She is just saturated in the feelings and emotions of her life as Dirk.
Bobby has to share his body with Aragorn, Jane and Charizard. Sometimes two or more of them may be active at the same time, but they are still separate people. When Bobby is fronting, his ideas and emotions are mostly in control. However, sometimes he must let Jane front and do her own thing. When Jane is fronting Bobby is ‘in the back’, and not fully experiencing all the things that Jane is doing. Bobby may not remember everything Jane says and does.
Thank you~
ps. Kin can have headmates, and members of multiple systems can contain kin.
A headmate is a voice/entity/person/mind that coexists with you inside of a shared brain and body. Headmates are distinct people with full personalities, including fears, dreams hopes aspirations, etc. They may or may not also have lives before, or concurrently with their shared mental existence.
Some kinds of people who have headmates are soulbonders and multiples, though these are by no means the only people who do.
As for a soulmate feeling- I’d have to know more of exactly what you mean.
‘Headmates’ are what happens when a single brain/body houses more than one person. Each person or headmate has their own complete identity: including emotions, motivations, thoughts, opinions and memories, separate from anyone else’s, despite using the same brain/body.
Often headmates are aware of one another. If you experience a 'voice’ in the back of your mind, commenting on things you do, expressing opinions that are not your own, etc etc, you may have a headmate. Sometimes however headmates are not aware of one another, and you may instead experience blackouts or lost time.