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The truth of faeries and names according to folklore:

The Internet has lead to many people thinking that faeries stealing names has always been a part of the lore. It’s actually not that common at all except in recent pop culture. The popularization of the idea of faeries wanting to steal names partly came about because of the same cross-pollination of lore that lead to the memes that perpetuate the idea. Anime like Spirited Away and modern fantasy literature stewed together with meme culture to perpetuate this idea.

In traditional Gaelic lore faeries don’t usually want to steal your name. They’re not out to get a credit card in your name while you sit there trying to remember your own birth certificate name but are drawing a blank. What they want, in most of the stories, is to *learn* your True Name. Not necessarily your given name, nickname, or even what everyone calls you. It’s not necessarily your legal name or what’s on your birth certificate. (But it can be any of those things). What they want is your TRUE name with a capital T. Your True name is NOT necessarily your legal name though that is a possibility. And no, it’s not necessarily the name you take during confirmation if you are Catholic. It’s the name that you carry deep inside. It might even be a secret name that no one knows but it IS the name you identify as deep inside, a name you associate with who and what you truly are. Everyone has a true name, whether they realize it or not.

I’ll give an example from pop culture. In Batman Beyond you see Bruce Wayne beint tornented by the villain, Vertigo. Vertigo tries to pass himself off as Brue’s subconscious but Bruce figures out it’s not his own mind because Vertigo is not calling him by his TRUE name. And in his mind Bruce’s True name, even in old age, is Batman. Terry tries telling Bruce later “You know you’re not Batman anymore, right?” and Bruce responds with “Tell that to my subconsicous.”

Bruce sees himself utterly as Batman, not as Bruce Wayne. In The Sandman: The Wake Clark Kent (Superman), and Martian Manhunter appear at The Wake but Bruce Wayne is there as Batman because that’s who he sees himself as deep down inside.

In the 1985 film Fright Night we meet has-been horror actor and TV horror host, Peter Vincent. The character Charlie Brewster has discovered that his neighbor is a real vampire and he seeks Peter’s help. When Peter finally comes to realize that Charlie is actually right and that Jerry Dandridge is, in fact, a vampire, he’s terrified. He protests that Peter Vincent is only a character and not even his real name. However, after some soul searching and character growth, and circumstances force Peter Vicent to kill a boy who recently was turned into a vampire, Peter Vincent comes to embrace his persona. He realizes that Peter Vincent isn’t merely a character. He is the hero he always secretly wanted to be, the hero he NEEDS to be. And so he repeats to himself “I am Peter Vincent, the Great vampire Killer!” until he finally accepts that yes, this is who he is. This is who he must be now. He finally becomes the character he had played, the persona of who he had always secretly longed to be but was afraid of. By the end of the film he was, indeed, Peter Vincent. You never even learn his “real” name in the movie because that does not matter. It’s not who he truly is. He IS Peter Vincent.

In Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman the main character (who is the living embodiment of dreams) is over ten-billion-years-old but he seems to consider the relatively recent (only a few thousand years old) name of Morpheus to be his true name. He can be summoned by calling out this name. This is why it annoyed me that G. Willow Wilson (In The Dreaming: Waking Hours comic) depicted Heather After (who is trans) as having her deadname being her true name and the story tried to make it empowering that she determined that true names have no real power. I think it would have been more satisfying if her chosen name of Heather After turned out to be her true name. Heather is a great character but that was a terrible plot point. Her Deadname should NEVER be perceived as her true name even if true names hold no power in the story. Heather After (her chosen name) should have been her True Name and it would have been a confirmation of this if there was power in it. A True Name is not necessarily a legal name or birth name or even the most well known name that you answer to though it can be any of those things. What matters is that it is the name you consider yourself. Sometimes you, yourself, may not even know your own true name but if someone calls it, you’ll know it, your very soul will feel it. One could even surmise that the historic Vlad (Vladislaus) the Third of Wallachia AKA Vlad Tepes (The impaler), known as Kazıklı Bey by the Ottomans, had chosen his own true name when he chose the patronymic of Dracula (with various archaic spellings) to honor his father and his membership to the Order of the Dragon (Dracul). Dracula means Son of the Dragon.

And yes, a True Name can change over time but it is not common and does not happen often. Some people take years trying to find out their own True Name.

So why do faeries want to learn someone’s true name? Well, it’s simple. Knowledge has power and this is a particular type of power. In occult practices if you know a magical entity’s true name you can invoke them, summon them to you, banish them or bind and enslave them. This is why faeries want to know your true name. It’s much more potent than stealing the knowledge of a legal name. It is to gain utter power of you by knowing your truest self, the name by which you could be conjured and can pull at your essence.

To me this is far more interesting than the idea of a faery stealing your name. They can, through knowing your true name, lay claim to YOU!

(Faerie art by Brian Froud from his book Good Faeries / Bad Faeries).

So I just found out there is a breed of snail called the  scaly-foot snail (which some people online are calling the "Volcano Snail.")  Anyway, it turns out this snail's shell is made of iron sulfide.  That's right.   His shell is iron.   That means there is a snail out there, whose shell can kill a faerie.  

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What meme or anime started the bullshit idea that fae “steal” your name?  I see it on nearly all faery related memes now.  That’s not in any actual lore.It was fae wanting to KNOW your true name because knowing a thing’s true name gives you power over it.  You see it in things like the fairy tale Rumpelstiltskin.  Seriously, what started this revisionist bullshit?

I think it got muddled with other mythology and stories, like how in Spirited Away stealing (part of) a person’s name gives you control/ownership over them and takes part of their memories and powers away. There is a lot of mythology about names and in the age of information technology a lot of stuff gets mixed in with other stories and tales.

I was afraid this was the result of Spirited Away.  But that’s Japanese lore, not European faery lore.  It’s like everyone watched Spirited away and thought “Oh, so that’s how fairies work!” Even though it was not a faery who stole the river-God / Dragon’s name.

 Because I love fairy lore, REAL faery lore.  And I’m starting to get genuinely annoyed at how many memes think faeries steal names.  That’s... not a thing in traditional faery lore. They want to KNOW your true name- the name you most heavily associate with yourself, because it gives them power over you to summon you or banish you, or in some cased compel you.  You don’t “Forget” your name.  That’s ...Not a thing in faery lore.  

For the hundredth time for people who THINK they know faerie lore!

Fae don't "take the name" as in "steal" the name and leave you nameless.  That's something some confused folkloric newbie got from an anime and brutally misunderstood.   Names have power.  A fae KNOWING your true name gives them power over you, the ability to possibly summon you if you're a magick user.   This isn't just true with fae.  It's true with sorcerers.  It's why late nineteenth century and early twentieth century occultists always used names that they wanted to be called instead of their "true" name.  True names aren't necessarily the name you are born to, by the way.  It's the name you most associate with yourself. It was common in fantasy fiction for years.  It's even common in fairy tales.  It's why the Queen knowing Rumpelstiltskin's name enabled her to banish him.   Honestly, it's like some idiots saw Spirited Away and got "confused" and started to think fae simply leave you nameless or some bullshit and as someone who has actually read folklore it's REALLY annoying.

I actually like the film Maleficent. My only complaint is something that just really annoys me about the opening.  "Once upon a time there were two kingdoms..."  (Two seconds later in regard to one of those kingdoms,) "they had no king for they relied on each other."    Okay, then that's not a kingdom.   A kingdom requires having a monarch in power, otherwise what you have is a "land."   "Once upon a time there were two lands."    

Stop. Normalizing. Bath Bombs. they’re training people not to recognize the inherent dangers of magical vortexes

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thousands of years of evolutionary instincts gone just like that. you dumbasses are gonna stick your feet in the first glowing portal you stumble across and get kidnapped by the fucking fae

listen, buddy

the way this world is going, i will happily jump into a glowing portal and get abducted by the fae

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you know what that’s fair

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- Good Faeries/Bad Faeries - Brian Froud

The book Fairy Tales by Iona and Peter Opie suggests that Rumpelstiltskin’s name is the way it is because faeries can easily be summoned or even banished by those that know their names so in faery culture it’s always best for the faery to have a name that does not exist (at least commonly) in the human world.  

Also there are many kinds of faeries, some human sized, some not.  Some with wings, some without.   Some that can pass for human, some that can’t (without a glamour spell).

The term fairy comes from Fair Folk and it’s partly to suck up because there was a time faery trickery and faery power was feared.

Even the Banshee is actually a type of faery, not a ghost (Though some people believe some humans can and do become faeries after death).  The original Gaelic is Baen Sidhe which just translates into female faery.  

Also faeries hate being misidentified as the wrong type of faery or spirit.  In Jim Butcher’s The Dresden Files novels there’s a scene where Toot gets very angry at a Russian man for mistaking him as a Domovoi (A household Spirit) when he is, in fact, a pixie.

By the way, I love Brian Froud too.  He and the recently deceased Bernie Wrightson are my two favorite illustrators.   Harry Clarke comes after for his Faust illustrations.

Also doesn’t Brian’s bad faery look somewhat familiar?   You know which one.

Thoughts about Once Upon a Time fairies

There were hints of The Black Fairy's importance back in season 1.  Notice the pharmacy name, the presence of the wand, and Rumple's hatred of faeries (which I always chocked up to the reasonable anger at the Blue fairy for giving Baelfire the magick bean). But nothing really to suggest Rumplestiltskin is half-fairy.

I really don't care for Once Upon a Time's fairy lore.  How they dumb it down to essentially glorified pixies and the sexism of it.  No male faeries.  No Puck? No Oberon?   They missed out on the potential for a Disney's Gargoyles crossover there.   And the fact that they took away Maleficent's fairy status is practically a sin against folklore AND Disney.  

If they had been following more traditional faery lore that would account for why Rumple could never heal his ankle but only compensated with magick so that once without magick he was crippled again.  He smashed his ankle with an iron mallet.  In traditional fairy lore, the only thing that can truly harm a fairy is iron. And if harmed with iron a fairy will either die (if the wound is severe enough) or has to heal the way a mortal would.  Magick won't resolve the wound.  If you want to mutilate a fairy (remove a body part) you do it with iron.  Maleficent (the movie) was a lot kinder than actual folklore mind you- with letting her get her wings back after they had been sawed off with iron.   In traditional folklore once something's cut off with iron the fairy can never re-attach it.

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In defense of the Folkloric Rumpelstiltskin

In defense of the Folkloric Rumpelstiltskin:

I used to think everyone knew the story of Rumpelstiltskin.  It’s so basic.  For those who don’t know the tale here it is in a nutshell.

(Or you can watch this animated version here.)

You have this miller who boasts that his daughter is so perfect she can spin straw into gold so the king drags her to a tower and forces her to stay the night.  He says if she doesn’t spin the straw into gold he will have her put death.  Once alone she weeps and a strange little man-like creature with a limp to his right foot appears and offers to spin the straw into gold for a price.

(Side note: Yes, he has the same limp Rumpelstiltskin in human form had in the first season of Once Upon a Time.  I kind of wish he kept it even in Imp mode. You don’t see too many disabled yet magically powerful characters outside of Doctor Strange’s damaged hands.)

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She pays with a necklace or a ring that belonged to her mother.  The next night she’s made to do it again and she makes a similar payment.

The third night she’s given a very large room filled with straw and the king demands she do this but this time if she succeeds he’ll marry her (in some later versions it’s marriage to his son instead considering he was threatening to kill her…)  This time the imp asks for her first born child. 

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For whatever reason she’s not sure she’ll ever have a child (she may have thought herself infertile) and agrees.   She marries the king and bears a son.  The imp returns for the baby after he has been nursed but the Queen does not want to give him up.  She cries and the imp takes pity on her (the wording that he takes pity on her is even in the Grimm version, this is not up for interpretation).  And he gives her three nights to guess his name.  

Just before the third night one of the Queen’s men (or her father or The Queen herself) spies the imp twirling and singing in front of a fire near his cottage in the woods where he gloats that his name is Rumpelstiltskin.

So of course the Queen guesses his name and gets to keep her baby.

Now here’s where I defend the little bastard.   One of my favorite defenses of Rumpelstiltskin actually comes up in the 1963 Science fiction novel The man who fell to Earth by Walter Tevis.   The novel was later adapted into the movie starring David Bowie and has a sequel play (created by David Bowie) called Lazarus.

In The man who fell to Earth novel there is an alien protagonist named Thomas Jerome Newton who comes to Earth and takes a position as inventor who runs a major corporation.   His plan is to ferry his people (from their dying world) and they can take positions of power here on Earth, partly to save themselves and party to stop Earth from meeting the self destruction their world did because of squandering their natural resources, pollution and petty wars.  

A chemistry professor named Nathan Bryce learns Newton’s secret and confronts Newton.  Newton compares himself to Rumpelstiltskin to which Bryce replies “But Rumpelstitlskin wanted to take the queen’s baby!” And Newton replies with “Yes, but without Rumpelstiltskin there would be no baby or Queen for that matter.”

Now on to my defense…

  First…  Rumpelstiltskin is NOT the wicked witch in the Gingerbread house.   He is not Baba Yaga. He is not an Ogre.   He is a faery.   Contrary to many assumptions (due to English translations) he is not a dwarf.  

He is a Manikin to be precise.  Manikin is a now archaic term meaning a slightly smaller than human man-like being.  The word imp (before people started to associate it with demons) had a similar meaning.  Essentially it’s a slightly small but otherwise human-sized faery without wings.

The Rumpelstiltskin story has it’s roots over four thousand years ago.  Over time the imp’s name has changed but the basic story remains the same.  According to The Classic Fairy Tales by Iona and Peter Opie the basis for the odd name comes from the belief that faeries can easily be summoned by those who know their true names.   Names have power. And if you call a faery by name (particularly three times) you might invoke them to come.  You can banish a faery the same way.  So to protect themselves from this faeries are given very complex or unusual names that you are not likely to hear in the human world.  Tom Tit Tot is the English variation of Rumpelstiltskin and the original German is Rumpelstilzchen (Regina’s mispronunciation when she first summoned him in Once Upon a Time was actually an Easter Egg for the actual German).

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Here is a simple truth, most faeries (even dark faeries) are fiercely protective of children.   This is why Maleficent’s curse against Aurora was not until she was in her teens. 

Rumpelstiltskin never wanted to kill or eat the baby prince.  He wanted to raise the child and possibly turn the child into a faery creature like himself.  That’s what faeries and the like usually did with taken babies.

“Before your baby brother becomes one of us forever…” to quote The Goblin King, Jareth, in Labyrinth.

And there’s a clue in his own song lyrics.

“Today I brew, tomorrow I bake, And then the Prince child I will take. For no one knows my little game, That Rumpelstiltskin is my name.”

The alternate translation of the verse is this:

“Today do I bake. Tomorrow I brew. The day after that the queen’s child comes in; And oh! I am glad that nobody knew That the name I am called is Rumpelstiltskin.”

Both versions have one thing in common.  He never talks about killing or eating the child.  In fact he talks about brewing and baking in preparation for the child.  He’s singing about feeding and nurturing the child, not killing him.  He specifically speaks of brewing one night, baking the next and THEN bringing the child home.  

He never once even suggests eating the child.  I don’t know why so many modern readers leapt to this conclusion other than that they maybe trusted a bad B 1990s horror film.  It’s not even suggested in the story, just that he would take the baby.

The second part of my defense of him comes from the fact that he pitied the Queen and that’s why he gave her the three nights to guess his name.  We’re specifically told in both the Grimm version and the pre-Grimm version of the story that he took pity on the Queen. That is why he gave her three days to guess his name.  Even in the Grimm version (where he is portrayed quite wickedly) it specifically says he took pity on her.

Honestly, I think he lost on purpose.  Think about it.  He had no audience. He had absolutely no reason to twirl around outside his house and repeat his own name in song for three nights in a row. I think he was letting her win but he was too proud to just forgo the bargain. 

The ending of the original pre-Brothers Grimm version has him fly out of the castle from a window on an over-sized soup ladle, much like a witch.  He essentially shrugs and flies off and that’s that.

It’s only when the Brothers Grimm got a hold of it that he started to stomp his foot and go “The witches told you!” or in other translations “The Devil told you!” and get one foot stuck and then accidentally rip himself in two (or in some cases fall through a crack into Hell).

And honestly I kind of don’t blame the imp for wanting to raise the young prince.  Think how horrible that father must be (The King) that he bullied and threatened a girl to spin straw into gold and then made the third night’s “prize” being marriage to him.   That child might be better off raised by faeries.

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The defense rests.

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In defense of the Folkloric Rumpelstiltskin

In defense of the Folkloric Rumpelstiltskin:

I used to think everyone knew the story of Rumpelstiltskin.  It’s so basic.  For those who don’t know the tale here it is in a nutshell.

(Or you can watch this animated version here.)

You have this miller who boasts that his daughter is so perfect she can spin straw into gold so the king drags her to a tower and forces her to stay the night.  He says if she doesn’t spin the straw into gold he will have her put death.  Once alone she weeps and a strange little man-like creature with a limp to his right foot appears and offers to spin the straw into gold for a price.

(Side note: Yes, he has the same limp Rumpelstiltskin in human form had in the first season of Once Upon a Time.  I kind of wish he kept it even in Imp mode. You don’t see too many disabled yet magically powerful characters outside of Doctor Strange’s damaged hands.)

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She pays with a necklace or a ring that belonged to her mother.  The next night she’s made to do it again and she makes a similar payment.

The third night she’s given a very large room filled with straw and the king demands she do this but this time if she succeeds he’ll marry her (in some later versions it’s marriage to his son instead considering he was threatening to kill her…)  This time the imp asks for her first born child. 

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For whatever reason she’s not sure she’ll ever have a child (she may have thought herself infertile) and agrees.   She marries the king and bears a son.  The imp returns for the baby after he has been nursed but the Queen does not want to give him up.  She cries and the imp takes pity on her (the wording that he takes pity on her is even in the Grimm version, this is not up for interpretation).  And he gives her three nights to guess his name.  

Just before the third night one of the Queen’s men (or her father or The Queen herself) spies the imp twirling and singing in front of a fire near his cottage in the woods where he gloats that his name is Rumpelstiltskin.

So of course the Queen guesses his name and gets to keep her baby.

Now here’s where I defend the little bastard.   One of my favorite defenses of Rumpelstiltskin actually comes up in the 1963 Science fiction novel The man who fell to Earth by Walter Tevis.   The novel was later adapted into the movie starring David Bowie and has a sequel play (created by David Bowie) called Lazarus.

In The man who fell to Earth novel there is an alien protagonist named Thomas Jerome Newton who comes to Earth and takes a position as inventor who runs a major corporation.   His plan is to ferry his people (from their dying world) and they can take positions of power here on Earth, partly to save themselves and party to stop Earth from meeting the self destruction their world did because of squandering their natural resources, pollution and petty wars.  

A chemistry professor named Nathan Bryce learns Newton’s secret and confronts Newton.  Newton compares himself to Rumpelstiltskin to which Bryce replies “But Rumpelstitlskin wanted to take the queen’s baby!” And Newton replies with “Yes, but without Rumpelstiltskin there would be no baby or Queen for that matter.”

Now on to my defense…

  First…  Rumpelstiltskin is NOT the wicked witch in the Gingerbread house.   He is not Baba Yaga. He is not an Ogre.   He is a faery.   Contrary to many assumptions (due to English translations) he is not a dwarf.  

He is a Manikin to be precise.  Manikin is a now archaic term meaning a slightly smaller than human man-like being.  The word imp (before people started to associate it with demons) had a similar meaning.  Essentially it’s a slightly small but otherwise human-sized faery without wings.

The Rumpelstiltskin story has it’s roots over four thousand years ago.  Over time the imp’s name has changed but the basic story remains the same.  According to The Classic Fairy Tales by Iona and Peter Opie the basis for the odd name comes from the belief that faeries can easily be summoned by those who know their true names.   Names have power. And if you call a faery by name (particularly three times) you might invoke them to come.  You can banish a faery the same way.  So to protect themselves from this faeries are given very complex or unusual names that you are not likely to hear in the human world.  Tom Tit Tot is the English variation of Rumpelstiltskin and the original German is Rumpelstilzchen (Regina’s mispronunciation when she first summoned him in Once Upon a Time was actually an Easter Egg for the actual German).

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Here is a simple truth, most faeries (even dark faeries) are fiercely protective of children.   This is why Maleficent’s curse against Aurora was not until she was in her teens. 

Rumpelstiltskin never wanted to kill or eat the baby prince.  He wanted to raise the child and possibly turn the child into a faery creature like himself.  That’s what faeries and the like usually did with taken babies.

“Before your baby brother becomes one of us forever…” to quote The Goblin King, Jareth, in Labyrinth.

And there’s a clue in his own song lyrics.

“Today I brew, tomorrow I bake, And then the Prince child I will take. For no one knows my little game, That Rumpelstiltskin is my name.”

The alternate translation of the verse is this:

“Today do I bake. Tomorrow I brew. The day after that the queen’s child comes in; And oh! I am glad that nobody knew That the name I am called is Rumpelstiltskin.”

Both versions have one thing in common.  He never talks about killing or eating the child.  In fact he talks about brewing and baking in preparation for the child.  He’s singing about feeding and nurturing the child, not killing him.  He specifically speaks of brewing one night, baking the next and THEN bringing the child home.  

He never once even suggests eating the child.  I don’t know why so many modern readers leapt to this conclusion other than that they maybe trusted a bad B 1990s horror film.  It’s not even suggested in the story, just that he would take the baby.

The second part of my defense of him comes from the fact that he pitied the Queen and that’s why he gave her the three nights to guess his name.  We’re specifically told in both the Grimm version and the pre-Grimm version of the story that he took pity on the Queen. That is why he gave her three days to guess his name.  Even in the Grimm version (where he is portrayed quite wickedly) it specifically says he took pity on her.

Honestly, I think he lost on purpose.  Think about it.  He had no audience. He had absolutely no reason to twirl around outside his house and repeat his own name in song for three nights in a row. I think he was letting her win but he was too proud to just forgo the bargain. 

The ending of the original pre-Brothers Grimm version has him fly out of the castle from a window on an over-sized soup ladle, much like a witch.  He essentially shrugs and flies off and that’s that.

It’s only when the Brothers Grimm got a hold of it that he started to stomp his foot and go “The witches told you!” or in other translations “The Devil told you!” and get one foot stuck and then accidentally rip himself in two (or in some cases fall through a crack into Hell).

And honestly I kind of don’t blame the imp for wanting to raise the young prince.  Think how horrible that father must be (The King) that he bullied and threatened a girl to spin straw into gold and then made the third night’s “prize” being marriage to him.   That child might be better off raised by faeries.

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Yeah, I’ll never understand why Rumpelstiltskin is a “bad guy”, it pops up in every retelling. Obviously, people didn’t get it. The real villain is the king. Oh, and Raistlin Majere is another disabled sorcerer who shares some similarities to Rumple.

It’s odd that the Once Upon a Time writers were quick to use name guesses from the original faery tale as an Easter Egg (When Hordor catches him on the road in Desperate Souls) and they even get the right legged limp and have Regina accidentally pronounce the original German version of the name (Rumpelstilzchen).  And more recently acknowledged his faery roots.  They got all these tidbits right but never considered who the real villain of the story might be.

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Well, there is significant evidence that A&E didn’t write season 1 and with that said I really don’t think their Rumple is their own creation. He’s way too three dimensional to be their original creation, imo.

THIS THIS THIS THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOUU ! The fandom is determined to erase Rumplestilskin for the beast and it infuriates me so fucking hard

I’m glad you like the post.  And yes, everyone takes for granted that the character in the fairy tale is the villain because that’s what they’re told instead of actually reading the content objectively for themselves.   Shrek Fourever After didn’t help.  The version in Happily ne’ver after is probably slightly more accurate.

Did you see Gollums actor is directing and writing a live action Rumplestiltskin movie ?! I’m so stoked about it ! And I hope NO Rumbellers go to show how shallow they are in thier demand for beauty and the beast Over Rumplestiltskin

I just hope it’s not like that awful and irresponsible 1995 movie that is essentially a knock-off of Leprechaun.  And there are people out there so ignorant of the classic fairy tale that they actually thought the version in that movie matched the story.   I kid you not. I came across some on the Once Upon a Time Addicts group on Facebook (before I got myself banned for arguing with an admin about Gideon).  Not to mention people who thought he was invented for Once Upon a Time (How do you avoid one of the most well known fairy tales in history just because there’s no Disney film!?) and those that thought he wanted to eat the prince.  Seriously how did they come up with this idea!?

Disney was supposedly developing a version with a sympathetic version of Rumpelstiltskin to be called “The Name Game” but I guess that project was quietly dropped.   They’re usually not secretive about the projects they want to do.

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@ofdragon0wls I’ve actually seen some Rumbellers ( an extremely small amount) subtly trash the new live action BatB because Emma Watson is playing Belle…and not Emilie… :|

I shit you not.

Wow I just really love this post. How do so many idiots not know the actual story of Rumpelstiltskin? It’s like the oldest thing ever!

I also kind of wish they will stop making ouat Rumple labeled a beast and just go back to being more about Rumpelstiltskin. That’s HIS story. I’m glad they’ve covered the fairy thing so far…

Thank you.  It’s sad how so few people actually sit down and read the original Rumpelstiltskin story or think of it as something obscure.

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five rules to interacting with faeries

the first is be aware that names have power. give yourself a nickname or give no name at all.

the second is do not accept anything edible from a faery. to eat from the lands of fae is to lock yourself from the land of mortals.

the third is regarding information. if a faery gives you information, do not thank them. you may say you appreciate their assistance, but thanking is tantamount to admitting a debt owed.

the fourth is about accepting gifts. be very cautious when doing so. many gifts will have unforeseen side effects. if a gift is offered, accept it, but if you do not trust the one who offered it, do not hesitate to destroy it. salt water is always a good cleanser.

the fifth is how to speak without offense. most fae are very old. this means propriety is very important. grudges can be held for centuries when you live millenia. if you do not wish to do something, the way you refuse is critical. be polite. anything less may land you in hot water.

1.  Absolutely correct. 2.   Well, the thing about faery fruit or “Goblin Fruit” is eating it has many mysterious properties.   The idea that it locks you from the world of mortals has been solidified in pop culture thanks to True Blood but older fictions like Labyrinth or Christina Rosetti’s The Goblin Market reveal that eating “Goblin Fruit” could place you in the fae’s power or thrall.   The idea that it traps you in their realm may have it’s roots in the Greek myth of Persephone and Hades in The Underworld.  Once you eat food of The Underworld you cannot leave.   In some lore eating faery fruit won’t trap you in their world in the literal sense, nor will it put you into a hypnotic thrall like Sarah in Labyrinth.  Instead the fruit (like a golden apple in some mythology) will turn you into a faery being yourself.  This does lock you away from the world of mortals by a whole other meaning.

3.   I never really agreed with not thanking a faery as it amounts to rudeness all in the name of avoiding a magical debt.  You don’t want a magical debt than don’t deal with magical beings.  I’d rather suffer the debt than be rude.  …Or am I just strange?

4.   Absolutely. 

Iron by the way.  If you find yourself in trouble with faery folk use iron.  Iron is their one true weakness.   Cold iron can be used to trap or do physical harm to a fairy. 

Dear “Other-Kin” / Faeries

Attention so-called Other Kin.  / Faeries.   If you get cramps from citric acid there are two causes.  1.  Eating citrus on an empty stomach can hurt those of sensitive digestive tracts.  It's still an acid.  2. Citrus can aggravate an ulcer or pre-ulceric tissue.  Please see a doctor.   Drinking milk to line your stomach works as a temporary fix but this a perfectly human condition.  Finally, this is NOT True Blood!  Do a little research, read actual folklore.  Want to know what faeries are actually vulnerable toward?   It's in Norse, Gaelic, Welsh and even French folklore. Iron.  Cold iron.  Iron is what will hurt a faery.  Not a f--king lemon.  This has been a PSA from your friendly neighborhood Goblin-Kin.   Well, not really.   Just someone who actually knows folklore and a little basic biology.

So I’ve started watching True Blood...

So I’ve started watching True Blood.  I know, I know.  Better late than never.  And I am now nearing the end of season 3.  Even though I miss vampires being able to take wolf, mist and bat form and controlling the weather I do like what powers they are given for the show.  I like that they can hypnotize (even though I find it weird that the word “Glamour” is used here when in actual magical practice that’s an illusion spell that changes your form).  I like that they weep blood tears.  I like that when a vampire dies his or her maker can feel it.  I like that silver hurts them.  I like that religious symbols don’t.

I tend to be Old School about that but I always liked Fred Sabehagen’s explanation that when symbols of faith hurt them it’s psychosomatic because vampires, being very psychic, are highly suggestible and if someone believes something strongly enough it’s true.  And even though I used to hate the idea of wooden bullets hurting vampires (I used to think it was stupid) ever since I read Fred Saberhagen’s Dracula books (the first place where I saw wood hurting a vampire) I’ve come to embrace the idea.  The idea that something once alive, transformed into something else, could be one of the few things that can hurt a vampire has a certain poetry to it.

I also love that it’s werewolves take literal wolf form and seem able to change at will and have a sort of pack mentality even in human form.  I just wish they were a little more noble, like real wolves and less like white trash junkies…

The one thing I don’t like is that almost immediately after the show introduces it’s concept of faeries they are referred to as “aliens."   Why?  Why is it we can have a universe that has werewolves, vampires, and witchcraft but faeries have to be downgraded from mystical beings to alien lifeforms?

This is not the first time I have seen this done.  Marvel’s Thor: The Dark World has Odin, himself, shout "We are not Gods!” (Never mind that these films are based on “Thor God of Thunder” comics inspire by Norse mythology) and later The Dark Elves are implied to be aliens too.  Yet in Marvel Heroes the online game The Dark Elves are restored to their magical origins.   The film Thor: The Dark World doesn’t even acknowledge the faery / elfish vulnerability to iron yet the Marvel Heroes online game does.  The NPC Dark Elves even shout “Fall back!  They must have deadly iron!"

I’ve heard feeble explanations such as "Faeries can’t be taken seriously today.  That’s why in Once Upon a Time They are just tiny female pixies. That’s all anyone knows from pop culture."  Never mind that Cinderella’s faery Godmother and Pinocchio’s Blue Faery were both human sized and Cinderella’s Faery Godmother did not originally have wings in the animated Disney film. But why perpetuate this misinterpretation of ancient folklore?  Why not respect it? Heed it?  Give us Seelie and Unseelie the way the folklore describes.  If someone dared to use the traditional lore in pop culture than people would know faeries can be a lot more sinister (or benign) and a lot more exotic than tiny pixies from a children’s book.If you hide behind things like "Oh, they’re just aliens” than you’re doing your part to suppress the old folklore and keep people thinking of faeries as nothing more than insect women for the wallpaper of little girl bed rooms.

Faeries can be scary.  They come in all shapes and sizes.  Redcaps are called such because they drench their hats in the blood of their victims.   Goblins will gobble up children.   An Unseelie will abduct the unwanted and draw them into the realm of faerie never to be seen again, and likely transformed into something non-human.  And Dark Elves (Drow, as we call them in role playing game circles) were feared by Vikings. It’s a disserving to the folklore for True Blood and Marvel to treat them as alien lifeforms.  

Disney’s Gargoyles had the balls to treat faery lore with the dignity and respect it deserves.  If you create a universe with vampires, werewolves, shapeshifters, and witchcraft you had damn well better be willing to treat faery lore with respect.

End of rant.

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