One thing my partner and I often talk about is how this lifetime likely isn’t any different than the lifetimes of our kintypes - which is to say, this lifetime is probably *also* represented as a piece of media in other worlds.
Lately we have been half-joking that it’s a web comic or a light novel with the isekai gimmick “reincarnated in the human world with 30 souls!” or something like that.
You can’t fake something unintentionally or unconsciously.
Faking an experience is done with full knowledge and conscious intent on your part of what you are doing.
If something is happening to you unintentionally, if you are doing something and unconsciously, you are having a legitimate experience of some kind.
If you’re faking something, you’re doing it deliberately. Faking something isn’t something that just happens to you. An experience is something that just happens to you.
Hello! I have a few questions I was hoping you could answer, but sorry if they've been asked before.
First, how exactly would a past life as a fictionkin happen? I personally believe I had past lives as my kintypes on the astral plane (or maybe something else, still trying to figure it out), but I'm also interested in learning about the multiverse or other past life explanations.
Second, is it possible to have multiple kintypes from the same canon/timeline?
Thank you, and sorry again if these have been asked before.
These questions HAVE been asked before, but I’m always happy to answer them for someone who hasn’t seen it discussed! Thank you so much for the ask
- How would a past life as a fictionkin happen?
My personal belief, dating back to the time I entered the fictionkin community in 2006, is in the multiverse theory. I believe that there are an infinite number of coexisting realities, and that souls/spirits can move between them and be reborn from one into another. I believe that my soul (and the other souls in my ‘soul cluster’ that I’m connected to) have been reborn repeatedly in various universes at different times, and now have been reborn into this one.
- is it possible to have multiple kintypes from the same timeline?
Frankly, there’s nothing that’s impossible. I used to think that multiple kintypes from one timeline was unlikely, but lately it seems more and more commonplace.
Multiple kintypes from the same timeline is very possible, the question you always have to ask is *why* would it happen?
One thing with this is to always make sure you’re looking at more than one kintype, vs more than one person sharing a body each of whom can have their own kintypes.
For instance if you’re a plural system, you might have several system members who each have a kintype from the same timeline, but each individual system member only has one kintype from that timeline. The *system* has multiple kintypes, but each individual has their own.
OR an individual might legitimately have more than one kintype from the same timeline. The question to ask yourself is “how did these people who were two people in that timeline come to be one person in this timeline?”
You might have multiple kintypes from one timeline if all of those characters fused into one person at some later date.
You might have multiple kintypes from one timeline if your soul was repeatedly reborn into the same timeline but as different people.
You might have multiple kintypes from one timeline if your soul split into multiple bodies for that lifetime, and then re-fused into this.
The important part when questioning something as a kintype isn’t to ask “is this possible” (anything is possible), the important question to ask is “do I have an intuitive answer for why this would have happened.”
In systems, can certain alters have kins while the rest don't? Adding on to that question, can those kins be shared? (I hope that makes sense)
Hey pal, great question!
Being a member of a plural system who is also fictionkin is definitely a thing that happens. (It’s an experience I’m personally familiar with.)
It is very much possible for some members of a system to be fictionkin, and some to not be.
Individual system members can have multiple kintypes like everyone else.
As to whether or not several members of a plural system can share one kintype, that depends on your personal metaphysical or psychological experience as to why that would be the case.
For example, two system members might share the same kintype if they were sharing a body/if they were system members during that kintype’s lifetime.
Or two system members might share the same kintype if they were different incarnations of the same character, who have now ended up sharing one body together.
Or two system members might share the same kintype if they were one person as that character, and due to some other circumstance have split into two separate people.
It’s definitely possible in some systems but how and why it would happen is down to your individual system’s experiences.
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Look Through My Eyes: On ‘Kinforms’
I’m not entirely sure what people call them anymore, but kinform still seems like it hasn’t fallen out of favour, so. This post was spurred by one talking about how system members and fictives can also be fictionkin, and it reminded me to talk about this again.
And yes, they can! I asked the OP about an addition in spirit of not derailing the post, and per suggestion, I realised this is just better as its own post.
System members can be fictionkin. But system members can also be somebody’s own kintype in themselves, and we experience this! To be clear though, we are likely the exception. It doesn’t seem to be a super duper common thing.
I’m the Dark Souls (1) protagonist. The Chosen Undead. My name is Alex. It’s also Cayden.
Despite my love for the game and my adoration for the story, the motifs, the themes, and the narrative tropes that tie into philosophy… As you can imagine, it’s not always a nice thing to be.
Dying over and over, being surrounded by a rotting, fading world, the grisly end I met, it haunted me after awakening for a very long time. I firmly believe that being fictional is not all suffering, nor does it have to be, but this was not something that came easy, accepting it.
I honestly hated it. It sucked, it hurt, it threw me into mental shifts that screwed up my day royally.
In the midst of all this confusion and upheaval of everything I had previously believed about my alterhumanity, he appeared. I appeared, would technically be more correct.
I’m not sure how or why, don’t ask, but I can give that version of me basically all the credit for being able to accept this part of myself.
We’re the same person. He’s me. I’m him. He’s still his own individual person and system member, but he is literally another version of me, and not in a median or otherwise fragment/split sense, as far as we know.
He thought I’d hate him. He was afraid of me, of walking into the system with so much baggage and being a burden. And now we’re very, very close.
I looked through his eyes, and I saw not only myself, I saw somebody worth fighting for. He was just scared and lonely and needed somewhere to belong. We all saw somebody worth being a part of us, the system, our family.
“I looked at him, and I saw myself.”
I really do love him. And I can’t hate myself, I can’t hate being him, if I love him. Because he’s me.
“And there’s a better place, if you look through my eyes.”
- Alex
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this and write about your experiences!
Terminology has definitely marched on since my early days, too, but back in those days I think we would have called this an example of “median” or “mid-continuum” plurality, since you and he are the same person but also separate!
It’s so fascinating how people’s experiences of identity both individually and plurally differ, especially when it comes to fictionkin experiences.
There is definitely a lot of space to be explored in terms of experiences be they fictionkin, plural, or mixed experiences, and one of the reasons that questioning and discernment can be such an involved process for trying to figure out just what we all have going on internally and what words best describe us!
How to distinguish between fictionkin and plurality or plurality adjacent experiences
Your kintype is YOU - another part of yourself. Just like the person you were when you were 5 years old is another part of your self.
If a character exists internally with you and alongside you but is NOT you, that’s some form of plurality or soulbonding (some people consider soulbonding a form of plurality, some do not.)
Here’s an even more important distinction.
Plural system members can be fictionkin and have their own kintypes! For instance you can have a system member named Fred who is also fictionkin and has kintypes as both Goku from Dragon Ball, and Clark Kent from Superman (as an example.)
YOU can be fictionkin, and also be plural, and your plural system members might or might not also additionally be fictionkin.
Re: your recent reblog
Therian guide, a therian forum, has restricted plurality as an 18+ only topic and doesn't allow it to be discussed by minors or outside of the adult board at all. That's likely the context, there's posts going around about it.
Wow. That’s bonkers that they would do that. Thank you for giving me the heads up.
We are not, in fact, “endogenic”. (We have no problem with people who use that term.)
What we are is something I’m sure anti-endos would hate even more.
If we had to describe ourselves with a “genic” label it would be something like “magicgenic” (magigenic? magenic?)
Our system was formed due to magical, spiritual forces outside of us, and outside of our full control.
I have no idea if a term like this is already in use, I’m use rambling here.
These people are so weird to me. We literally don’t say we have DID or describe ourselves with any diagnostic terms.
We call ourselves “plural”. Plural is not a diagnosis or a scientific word, its a description of being “many”.
Do you think if we dropped the term “plural” and described ourselves as “manifold” or “numerous” they’d leave us alone?
Because my guess is I would look over my shoulder three years from now and suddenly start hearing “DID is the only way to be manifold!”
hii!
idk if you knew this, but "soulbond" and "plural identity" are vv harmful terms
:( theyre pro endo (endogenic, aka a "system" without trauma) and endos scientifically cant exist. /info
basically, systems like ourself stem from childhood trauma. before the ages of 9-12, your brain is physically unable to create a solid identity. normally, by that age, what we call "facets" or "fragments" of identity will either:
- fuse together, creative your identity (which is ever-changing but now has a "root"); or
- disappear for any reason
but when someone goes through extreme trauma before that age, those facets are unable to develop properly and instead become identities. this results in DID/OSDD/USD, which are the only ways plurality can exist.
soulbonding is (and correct me if im wrong) the practice of creating a spiritual connection with someone or something, or bringing their soul/spirit into your body. this is similar to introjecting (having an alter form based on a real person, fictional character, etc.) but alters cannot be made intentionally as they form at the brain's subconscious and not the conscious. therefore, it isn't possible and soulbonding is purely misinformation.
likewise, "plural identity" is equally harmful if not even more so because it implies that one can just "identify" as a system or as having fragmented identity, which in turn mutes the people like me whove been through horrible things and had to suffer for it our whole life. if plurality was an identity, then 100% of real systems would identify as singlet because it really isnt fun.
please remove those from your blog... /nm /lh
I am begging you to at least think about what you’re doing and saying when you come to a person and ask them to negate and deny their entire personhood and entire lived existence to make you comfortable and to conform to your worldview.
This is what you are doing when you come to a spiritual plural or a spiritual fictionkin and say “stop using those words, because I don’t believe in those things”.
When you say “DID/OSDD/USD, are the only ways plurality can exist” to someone who has lived the past 30 years of their life as a spiritual plural system you are saying “you don’t exist, and I want you to deny your own existence for my comfort.”
You are literally coming to me and telling me my soul doesn’t exist.
You don’t think that’s a fucked up thing to say to someone, even if you believe it?
Non-DID plurals are not lying to you about our personal internal experiences or faking large chunks of our own lives in order to upset you, trick you, or gain access to some mysterious benefit that doing so supposedly unlocks.
That is a fucking bonkers claim to make.
Imagine if you made that claim on a singlet– that you thought they were lying about their emotions, internal experiences and large chunks of their lives just to fuck with you personally.
What an extremely arrogant position. Non-DID plurals are just out here living our lives. Stop believing that we’re trying to gaslight you to access some benefit that doesn’t even exist.
“I believe that anyone who says they’re plural who doesn’t have DID is lying and and making up a fake internal experience for the benefit of a performance to outsiders”
has big “I don’t believe that other people have real emotions and they’re actually only faking them and I am the only real person who exists and actually has thoughts and feelings” energy.
hello . i am an alter . i'm having trouble recognizing if i'm fictionkin or a fictive . any tips or pieces of advice ?
In cases like this, its up to you to decide what word suits you best.
My advice would be this:
If you, as a singular system member, have a singular identity and consider that to be the entirety of your ‘self’, then I would say that fictive might be the word that suits you best.
If you, as a singular system member, experience kin shifts into different identities, or memories from multiple lives, etc, all of which are you–not other members of your system– then I would say the word fictionkin suits you best.
Sorry if you’ve already answered this:
Hi saw your pinned post and I’m curious about fictives vs fictional introjects (which are exclusive, as far as I know, to DID) since fictives also belong to a system does that mean that there are other types of systems that are not trauma related? I am very interested in this subject and want to learn more so any information is welcome!
The term system can be used to describe any kind of experience of plurality.
There are many types and origins for plurality.
This includes psychological origins for plurality that do not stem from trauma.
This also includes spiritual and supernatural origins for plurality.
Thank you for asking, and I hope that helps.
Thanks so much! So, I only kinda recently discovered that I am a median system and everything is still pretty new to me and I was wondering some things. Is it normal to actually talk to your headmates in your head? Is it normal to sometimes know what they want to say before they are finished talking? Is it normal for the host to not be able to enter the headspace? And is it possible to activly let a headmate front? (And a question from one of the headmates: Is it possible to have two roles?)
Hey anon!
Everything you’ve mentioned in this ask is normal for some or most systems.
Especially the knowing what they’re about to say before they finish. You’re sharing a brain with them; information travels at the speed of thought.
Not all headmates have roles. Not all systems have members that have roles. System members having “roles” is mostly a DID thing.