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It is essential, that you let ASSP collect spam/notspam in a continuous
fashion. It is designed to do so and keep the ammount of colected mails at a
maximum of xxxxx mails per folder. The threshhold defaults to 14003 files,
but you can set any other value in the "Max Files" parameter.

To make this work, the files must have a number as the file name, not a
subject. Be sure to turn that off and run the "move2num.pl" script once
which will rename your files in case you had "subject as filename" turned on
during test-mode. If this option is turened off, ASSP will generate a random
number between 1 and "Max Files" for the message to save, overwriting
whatever had the same number before. This will provide a slow change of the
message base over the time without the risk that a single bombing run will
end up as xxx thousand identical messages and render your spambase unusable.

You could set the "Max Files" to whatever amount of mail you currently have
in your folder to keep this volume, or you could set it to a lower number,
which would result in updating the "lower" part while keeping everything
above the threshhold - just to be on the safe side.

One of those "set and forget" installations that do their maintainance all
by themself.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharma, Ravi [mailto:rav...@in...] 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:29 PM
To: 'ass...@li...'
Subject: [Assp-user] How to stop collecting spam/non spam

Hi All,

We have collected some 1000's of mails in the spam and non spam folders.
Our spam filtering model is working fine.

Now I would like to stop collecting mails, at the same time I would like
spam key work database Filtering model to work. 

 Why ?

 

-------Original Message-------

 

From: ass...@li...

Date: 01/31/05 13:31:47

To: 'ass...@li...'

Subject: [Assp-user] How to stop collecting spam/non spam

 

Hi All,

 

We have collected some 1000's of mails in the spam and non spam folders.

Our spam filtering model is working fine.

 

Now I would like to stop collecting mails, at the same time I would like

spam key work database

Filtering model to work.

 

Please let me know if I can do it on ASSP : 1.1.0

 

Regards

Ravi Sharma

 

 

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By stopping the collection of new spam you are stopping ASSP's ability
to adapt to the "new face of spam".  Tricks for spam come and go and if
you don't continually update the database you'll just block old spam
techniques and allow the new ones.  It's similar to virus
definitions....are you content with a tuned.db that is 3 months old?

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-----Original Message-----
From: ass...@li...
[mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Sharma, Ravi
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:29 AM
To: 'ass...@li...'
Subject: [Assp-user] How to stop collecting spam/non spam


Hi All,

We have collected some 1000's of mails in the spam and non spam folders.
Our spam filtering model is working fine.

Now I would like to stop collecting mails, at the same time I would like
spam key work database Filtering model to work.=20

Please let me know if I can do it on ASSP : 1.1.0

Regards
Ravi Sharma


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Hi All,

We have collected some 1000's of mails in the spam and non spam folders.
Our spam filtering model is working fine.

Now I would like to stop collecting mails, at the same time I would like
spam key work database
Filtering model to work. 

Please let me know if I can do it on ASSP : 1.1.0

Regards
Ravi Sharma


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Quite funny. Just as I sent a reply with just that assumption, I got your
confirmation.

I looked up the corresponding line in the code and it really tags only the
FIRST subject line. However this is easily fixed and future releases will
account for that.

Open up assp.pl and locate the following line (line 2048 in the current CVS
version):

  $this->{header}=~s/\nSubject:/\nSubject: $spamSubject/i if $spamSubject;

Replace it with that one:

  $this->{header}=~s/\nSubject:/\nSubject: $spamSubject/gi if $spamSubject;

The "g" added to the expression does a global replace instead of a
first-fit, so all subject lines that might be scattered over the header
would be tagged.

You will have to restart ASSP after changing the code.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan White [mailto:ry...@ni...] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:45 AM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: [Assp-user] Dual subjects bypass tagging


I got an email today that found a method to bypass that subject rewriting.
Basically there are 2 subjects. Here are the headers:

Subject: [SPAM details:www.niuhi.com/spam/] Industry News
From: "iDownload.com" <wh...@id...>
Subject: Industry News

So the first one is re-written but the second one (which is used by
thunderbird in the message listing) is not. I think it is really a
combination of bad headers and mail client error.

-Ryan



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I got an email today that found a method to bypass that subject 
rewriting. Basically there are 2 subjects. Here are the headers:

Subject: [SPAM details:www.niuhi.com/spam/] Industry News
From: "iDownload.com" <wh...@id...>
Subject: Industry News

So the first one is re-written but the second one (which is used by thunderbird
in the message listing) is not. I think it is really a combination of bad headers and mail client
error.

-Ryan

Sorry, I must have misunderstood.

Anyway, the first two lines from your log are likely to be a single
email.  My log shows the same thing for each individual email.

The third line is a mystery to me unless there was another "...Passing
if safe..." line to go with it.

I do notice that the phrase "Passing if safe" appears twice in the code,
and I wonder if there might be a way for both logs to occur on a single
email.  If you are brave, you could add a 1 and 2 to the "Passing if
safe" strings in the perl sript to determine if both are occuring.


As far as the three messages are concerned, you need to make sure they
arrived to assp as three separate SMTP transactions.

Can you check the headers for all three messages?  Look at the
"Received:" lines and look for a "Message-Id:" line.

If these are truly different emails, they should show different received
from times as they passed through assp.  They should also show unique
message id's.

Does this happen to ALL spam or just SOME spam?

Theo


-----Original Message-----
From: ass...@li...
[mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Dan Felix
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:58 PM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] ARG! Variances in Spam Scoring

Hi Theo,
I don't mean to digress too much here, but I understood Chris's posts to
mean that he had two separate issues ... (1) messages that 'analyze' as
spam, but make it through without being marked, and (2) replies from
people who have already been mailed to (i.e.
automatically whitelisted) getting marked as SPAM, with him verifying
that the those senders had, in fact, made it onto the white list.  As to
the 2nd problem, it could be something funky going on with SPF ...
don't really have enough info.  But the first kind of sounds a bit like
what I'm seeing.

Here's more details on an example scenario that I've got:

From maillog.txt:
Jan-27-05 10:54:05 200.140.99.13
<ale...@br...> to: bo...@fe... Passing if
safe because testmode, otherwise Bayesian Spam
Jan-27-05 10:54:05 200.140.99.13
<ale...@br...> to: bo...@fe... Spam
determined to be safe, passing on to recipient
Jan-27-05 10:54:11 200.140.99.13
<mol...@br...> to: bo...@fe... Spam
determined to be safe, passing on to recipient

In my internal mail system, all three messages appear to have been
received at 10:54:47 on 1/27/2005 and only the first message is marked
[SPAM] on the subject line.

If I copy and paste the mime.822 info from any one of the 3 messages,
they 'analyze' as spam-prob =3D 1.00000, but only the first of the group
of 3 messages got marked as [SPAM].

I've got a bunch of examples like this, if anyone wants to take a closer
look at the actual messages.

Best Regards,
Dan

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:22:35 -0800, Theo Aukerman <tau...@lo...>
wrote:
> It would help if you provided log entries for the messages in
question.
>=20
> Please realize that Chris later admitted that the sender was=20
> whitelisted...
>=20
> Theo
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ass...@li...
> [mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Dan Felix
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:21 PM
> To: ass...@li...
>=20
> Subject: Re: [Assp-user] ARG! Variances in Spam Scoring
>=20
> I might have a related symptom.  I'm a relatively new ASSP user=20
> running ver 1.1.1 beta 11 in test mode.  I get messages coming through

> in groups of two or three where the first message gets marked as SPAM,

> but the next one or two messages don't get marked.  If I 'analyze' the

> mails that didn't get marked, they score as SPAM.  My mail system=20
> shows the messages as received at the same time, down to the second.
>=20
> Any thoughts?
>=20
> Thanks,
> Dan
>=20
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:29:11 -0600, Chris Norman=20
> <ch...@in...> wrote:
> > Ok, maybe I've messed up my config somehow, but this is driving me
> nuts.
> >
> > I get an email not marked as spam.  However, when I score it, it=20
> > scores as 100% spam.
> >
> > The sender isn't whitelisted.
> >
> > Also, valid replys are automatically getting tagged as spam. My=20
> > users can all contribute to the whitelist, and I've verified that=20
> > the false spam replying user is whitelisted.
> >
> > It's like it's working in reverse or something.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what I should check?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help
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Oops, that 3rd one was incorrect in my previous message.  On the 3rd
message, maillog.txt showed mol...@br...,
but on the internal mail system the Return-path: and From: are
saw...@br...


On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:24:00 -0600, Dan Felix <dfe...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
> From the example that I posted in response to Theo, none of the From:
> or Return-path: addresses are found in the White List, but here's an
> interesting analysis:
> 
> On the first message that got marked as spam, the maillog.txt entry
> and the Return-path: and From: are all
> ale...@br....
> 
> On the 2nd message that didn't get marked as spam, the maillog.txt
> entry has ale...@br..., but on the internal
> mail system the Return-path: and From: are
> mol...@br....
> 
> On the 3rd message that also didn't get marked as spam, the
> maillog.txt entry has ale...@br..., but on
> the internal mail system the Return-path: and From: are
> saw...@br....
> 
> None of those addresses show up in the white list.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:27:58 -0800, Ryan White <ry...@ni...> wrote:
> >
> > You might have an auto responder that is responding the the messages and
> > thus whitelisting the sender address. It is just a theory. I can't remember
> > if the analyzer takes into account the whitelist.
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> > Dan Felix wrote:
> > I might have a related symptom. I'm a relatively new ASSP user
> running ver
> > 1.1.1 beta 11 in test mode. I get messages coming through
> in groups of two
> > or three where the first message gets marked as SPAM,
> but the next one or
> > two messages don't get marked. If I 'analyze' the
> mails that didn't get
> > marked, they score as SPAM. My mail system
> shows the messages as received at
> > the same time, down to the second.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> On Tue, 25
> > Jan 2005 10:29:11 -0600, Chris Norman
> <ch...@in...> wrote:
> 
> > Ok, maybe I've messed up my config somehow, but this is driving me nuts.
> 
> I
> > get an email not marked as spam. However, when I score it, it scores
> as 100%
> > spam.
> 
> The sender isn't whitelisted.
> 
> Also, valid replys are automatically
> > getting tagged as spam. My users
> can all contribute to the whitelist, and
> > I've verified that the false
> spam replying user is whitelisted.
> 
> It's like
> > it's working in reverse or something.
> 
> Any suggestions on what I should
> > check?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any
> > help
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Hi Ryan,
From the example that I posted in response to Theo, none of the From:
or Return-path: addresses are found in the White List, but here's an
interesting analysis:

On the first message that got marked as spam, the maillog.txt entry
and the Return-path: and From: are all
ale...@br....

On the 2nd message that didn't get marked as spam, the maillog.txt
entry has ale...@br..., but on the internal
mail system the Return-path: and From: are
mol...@br....

On the 3rd message that also didn't get marked as spam, the
maillog.txt entry has ale...@br..., but on
the internal mail system the Return-path: and From: are
saw...@br....

None of those addresses show up in the white list.

Dan


On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:27:58 -0800, Ryan White <ry...@ni...> wrote:
> 
> You might have an auto responder that is responding the the messages and
> thus whitelisting the sender address. It is just a theory. I can't remember
> if the analyzer takes into account the whitelist.
> 
> -Ryan
> 
> Dan Felix wrote: 
> I might have a related symptom. I'm a relatively new ASSP user
running ver
> 1.1.1 beta 11 in test mode. I get messages coming through
in groups of two
> or three where the first message gets marked as SPAM,
but the next one or
> two messages don't get marked. If I 'analyze' the
mails that didn't get
> marked, they score as SPAM. My mail system
shows the messages as received at
> the same time, down to the second.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Dan

On Tue, 25
> Jan 2005 10:29:11 -0600, Chris Norman
<ch...@in...> wrote:
 
> Ok, maybe I've messed up my config somehow, but this is driving me nuts.

I
> get an email not marked as spam. However, when I score it, it scores
as 100%
> spam.

The sender isn't whitelisted.

Also, valid replys are automatically
> getting tagged as spam. My users
can all contribute to the whitelist, and
> I've verified that the false
spam replying user is whitelisted.

It's like
> it's working in reverse or something.

Any suggestions on what I should
> check?

Thanks in advance for any
> help

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Hi Theo,
I don't mean to digress too much here, but I understood Chris's posts
to mean that he had two separate issues ... (1) messages that
'analyze' as spam, but make it through without being marked, and (2)
replies from people who have already been mailed to (i.e.
automatically whitelisted) getting marked as SPAM, with him verifying
that the those senders had, in fact, made it onto the white list.  As
to the 2nd problem, it could be something funky going on with SPF ...
don't really have enough info.  But the first kind of sounds a bit
like what I'm seeing.

Here's more details on an example scenario that I've got:

From maillog.txt:
Jan-27-05 10:54:05 200.140.99.13
<ale...@br...> to: bo...@fe... Passing
if safe because testmode, otherwise Bayesian Spam
Jan-27-05 10:54:05 200.140.99.13
<ale...@br...> to: bo...@fe... Spam
determined to be safe, passing on to recipient
Jan-27-05 10:54:11 200.140.99.13
<mol...@br...> to: bo...@fe... Spam
determined to be safe, passing on to recipient

In my internal mail system, all three messages appear to have been
received at 10:54:47 on 1/27/2005 and only the first message is marked
[SPAM] on the subject line.

If I copy and paste the mime.822 info from any one of the 3 messages,
they 'analyze' as spam-prob = 1.00000, but only the first of the group
of 3 messages got marked as [SPAM].

I've got a bunch of examples like this, if anyone wants to take a
closer look at the actual messages.

Best Regards,
Dan

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:22:35 -0800, Theo Aukerman <tau...@lo...> wrote:
> It would help if you provided log entries for the messages in question.
> 
> Please realize that Chris later admitted that the sender was
> whitelisted...
> 
> Theo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ass...@li...
> [mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of Dan Felix
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:21 PM
> To: ass...@li...
> 
> Subject: Re: [Assp-user] ARG! Variances in Spam Scoring
> 
> I might have a related symptom.  I'm a relatively new ASSP user running
> ver 1.1.1 beta 11 in test mode.  I get messages coming through in groups
> of two or three where the first message gets marked as SPAM, but the
> next one or two messages don't get marked.  If I 'analyze' the mails
> that didn't get marked, they score as SPAM.  My mail system shows the
> messages as received at the same time, down to the second.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:29:11 -0600, Chris Norman
> <ch...@in...> wrote:
> > Ok, maybe I've messed up my config somehow, but this is driving me
> nuts.
> >
> > I get an email not marked as spam.  However, when I score it, it
> > scores as 100% spam.
> >
> > The sender isn't whitelisted.
> >
> > Also, valid replys are automatically getting tagged as spam. My users
> > can all contribute to the whitelist, and I've verified that the false
> > spam replying user is whitelisted.
> >
> > It's like it's working in reverse or something.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what I should check?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help
> >
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Thanks everyone for your comments.  I have decided that it is not
really necessary to proxy outgoing e-mails.  I am going to let
MailMarshal do the final delivery of the e-mails bypassing the DMZ. 
Something like this:

Internet -> DMZ(ASSP) -> LAN(MailMarshal -> Mercury/32 -> Clients)

LAN(Clients -> Mercury/32 -> MailMarshal) -> Internet

I just wish MailMarshal had some of the features of ASSP.  Most
notably whitelisting all addresses that that we send mail to.

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You might have an auto responder that is responding the the messages
and thus whitelisting the sender address. It is just a theory. I can't
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  <pre wrap="">I might have a related symptom.  I'm a relatively new ASSP user
running ver 1.1.1 beta 11 in test mode.  I get messages coming through
in groups of two or three where the first message gets marked as SPAM,
but the next one or two messages don't get marked.  If I 'analyze' the
mails that didn't get marked, they score as SPAM.  My mail system
shows the messages as received at the same time, down to the second.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Dan

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:29:11 -0600, Chris Norman
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    <pre wrap="">Ok, maybe I've messed up my config somehow, but this is driving me nuts.

I get an email not marked as spam.  However, when I score it, it scores
as 100% spam.

The sender isn't whitelisted.

Also, valid replys are automatically getting tagged as spam. My users
can all contribute to the whitelist, and I've verified that the false
spam replying user is whitelisted.

It's like it's working in reverse or something.

Any suggestions on what I should check?

Thanks in advance for any help

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It would help if you provided log entries for the messages in question.

Please realize that Chris later admitted that the sender was
whitelisted...

Theo

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To: ass...@li...
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] ARG! Variances in Spam Scoring

I might have a related symptom.  I'm a relatively new ASSP user running
ver 1.1.1 beta 11 in test mode.  I get messages coming through in groups
of two or three where the first message gets marked as SPAM, but the
next one or two messages don't get marked.  If I 'analyze' the mails
that didn't get marked, they score as SPAM.  My mail system shows the
messages as received at the same time, down to the second.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Dan

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:29:11 -0600, Chris Norman
<ch...@in...> wrote:
> Ok, maybe I've messed up my config somehow, but this is driving me
nuts.
>=20
> I get an email not marked as spam.  However, when I score it, it=20
> scores as 100% spam.
>=20
> The sender isn't whitelisted.
>=20
> Also, valid replys are automatically getting tagged as spam. My users=20
> can all contribute to the whitelist, and I've verified that the false=20
> spam replying user is whitelisted.
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> It's like it's working in reverse or something.
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David,

Easiest would be the Windows SMTP service if your windows version is up=

to it (win 2k or 2k3 server).

Regards
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Subject: Re: [Assp-user] ASSP Relaying in the DMZ


On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:21:38 -0500, Ced Paine <cp...@fe...>
wrote:
> No, ASSP can't deliver outgoing mail. I'm using Mercury/32 for that. =

> Since it's free, there's no reason why you couldn't install a second =

> copy of it on your DMZ machine. No accounts, no "local" domain,  just=
 
> relaying.

Before I found ASSP, I tried to use another copy of Mercury/32 as the
relay, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.  It would deliver
outbound e-mails, but I don't know how to get it to relay incoming
e-mail to the server on the LAN.

I know it would be off topic for this list, so if you know how I can do=

what I want with Mercury/32, could you please contact me offlist?

I would rather not have to have 4 mail servers if I can help it.  It is=

bad enough having 3 to deal with.

I guess if I can't find a way around it, I could have MailMarshal
deliver the outgoing e-mails, bypassing the DMZ.  I could keep ASSP in
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I might have a related symptom.  I'm a relatively new ASSP user
running ver 1.1.1 beta 11 in test mode.  I get messages coming through
in groups of two or three where the first message gets marked as SPAM,
but the next one or two messages don't get marked.  If I 'analyze' the
mails that didn't get marked, they score as SPAM.  My mail system
shows the messages as received at the same time, down to the second.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Dan

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:29:11 -0600, Chris Norman
<ch...@in...> wrote:
> Ok, maybe I've messed up my config somehow, but this is driving me nuts.
> 
> I get an email not marked as spam.  However, when I score it, it scores
> as 100% spam.
> 
> The sender isn't whitelisted.
> 
> Also, valid replys are automatically getting tagged as spam. My users
> can all contribute to the whitelist, and I've verified that the false
> spam replying user is whitelisted.
> 
> It's like it's working in reverse or something.
> 
> Any suggestions on what I should check?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:21:38 -0500, Ced Paine <cp...@fe...> wrote:
> No, ASSP can't deliver outgoing mail. I'm using Mercury/32 for that. Since
> it's free, there's no reason why you couldn't install a second copy of it
> on your DMZ machine. No accounts, no "local" domain,  just relaying.

Before I found ASSP, I tried to use another copy of Mercury/32 as the
relay, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.  It would deliver
outbound e-mails, but I don't know how to get it to relay incoming
e-mail to the server on the LAN.

I know it would be off topic for this list, so if you know how I can
do what I want with Mercury/32, could you please contact me offlist?

I would rather not have to have 4 mail servers if I can help it.  It
is bad enough having 3 to deal with.

I guess if I can't find a way around it, I could have MailMarshal
deliver the outgoing e-mails, bypassing the DMZ.  I could keep ASSP in
the DMZ for proxying incoming e-mail.

-- 
Later

David Kirk

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:09:56 -0800, Theo Aukerman <tau...@lo...> wrote:
> ASSP by definition (Anti-Spam-SMTP-Proxy) is a proxy.  When connections
> are made to it, it expects to be able to open a connection to another
> SMTP server.  It does not do store and forward.

That's what I like about it.  We currently have MailMarshal in the
DMZ.  MailMarshal archives all our incoming and outgoing e-mail.  I
want to keep all the archives on the LAN.

> If your ISP has an SMTP server that you could send through, it may be
> possible to do what you want.  Although I'm not sure what you hope to
> gain by doing it...

I'd rather send directly to the remote SMTP servers if possible.

> Are MailMarshall and Mercury/32 running on the same system?
> If so, can your system be modified so that they are running on different
> systems?
> If so, wouldn't putting MailMarshall on the DMZ accomplish the task?

I am trying to move MailMarshal out of the DMZ on to a new server on
the LAN with Mercury/32.

-- 
Later

David Kirk

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ass...@li...=20
> [mailto:ass...@li...] On Behalf Of David =
Kirk
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:38 PM
> To: ass...@li...
> Subject: [Assp-user] ASSP Relaying in the DMZ
>=20
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I found ASSP when I was looking for something to sit in the=20
> DMZ to act as a relay between the Internet and our LAN (and=20
> back again).  I'm not sure that it will do what I want=20
> though.  I don't want to do any filtering (we have=20
> MailMarshal for that already).  All I want to do is relay all=20
> incoming e-mail to MailMarshal and deliver all outgoing mail.=20
>  A bit like this:
>=20
> Internet -> DMZ(ASSP) -> LAN(MailMarshal -> Mercury/32 -> Clients)
>=20
> LAN(Clients -> Mercury/32 -> MailMarshal) -> DMZ(ASSP) -> Internet
>=20
> I've got the first bit going.  I can send an e-mail to myself=20
> and ASSP sends it to MailMarshal.  I'm just not sure about=20
> going the other way.  Can ASSP deliver outgoing mail or does=20
> it need to go through another mail server?
>=20
> If ASSP doesn't do what I want, can someone recommend an=20
> alternative (for Windows)?
>=20
> --=20
> Later
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> David Kirk

ASSP is a proxy, not a relay.  That might sound like a nit-pick, but I
didn't fully understand that statement when I first started to use it =
over a
year ago.

ASSP can't deliver email by itself - it sits in the middle of the SMTP
conversation between client/server or server/server.

If you want a non-filtering proxy to sit in your DMZ, you might try
DeleGate.

~Brian

ass...@li... on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 3:37 PM
-0500 wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I found ASSP when I was looking for something to sit in the DMZ to act
>as a relay between the Internet and our LAN (and back again).  I'm not
>sure that it will do what I want though.  I don't want to do any
>filtering (we have MailMarshal for that already).  All I want to do is
>relay all incoming e-mail to MailMarshal and deliver all outgoing
>mail.  A bit like this:
>
>Internet -> DMZ(ASSP) -> LAN(MailMarshal -> Mercury/32 -> Clients)
>
>LAN(Clients -> Mercury/32 -> MailMarshal) -> DMZ(ASSP) -> Internet
>
>I've got the first bit going.  I can send an e-mail to myself and ASSP
>sends it to MailMarshal.  I'm just not sure about going the other way.
> Can ASSP deliver outgoing mail or does it need to go through another
>mail server?
>
>If ASSP doesn't do what I want, can someone recommend an alternative
>(for Windows)?
>
>-- 
>Later
>
>David Kirk
>
No, ASSP can't deliver outgoing mail. I'm using Mercury/32 for that. Since
it's free, there's no reason why you couldn't install a second copy of it
on your DMZ machine. No accounts, no "local" domain,  just relaying.

Ced
>

Why not just use the standard SMTP server included in IIS?  If you are
only looking for an server to deliver mail windows servers can handle
that alone.

Jim Carnes
Information Systems Administrator
Travel Destinations Management Group
410-363-3111x2222
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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:38 PM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: [Assp-user] ASSP Relaying in the DMZ


Hi,

I found ASSP when I was looking for something to sit in the DMZ to act
as a relay between the Internet and our LAN (and back again).  I'm not
sure that it will do what I want though.  I don't want to do any
filtering (we have MailMarshal for that already).  All I want to do is
relay all incoming e-mail to MailMarshal and deliver all outgoing mail.
A bit like this:

Internet -> DMZ(ASSP) -> LAN(MailMarshal -> Mercury/32 -> Clients)

LAN(Clients -> Mercury/32 -> MailMarshal) -> DMZ(ASSP) -> Internet

I've got the first bit going.  I can send an e-mail to myself and ASSP
sends it to MailMarshal.  I'm just not sure about going the other way.
Can ASSP deliver outgoing mail or does it need to go through another
mail server?

If ASSP doesn't do what I want, can someone recommend an alternative
(for Windows)?

--=20
Later

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ASSP by definition (Anti-Spam-SMTP-Proxy) is a proxy.  When connections
are made to it, it expects to be able to open a connection to another
SMTP server.  It does not do store and forward.

If your ISP has an SMTP server that you could send through, it may be
possible to do what you want.  Although I'm not sure what you hope to
gain by doing it...

Are MailMarshall and Mercury/32 running on the same system?
If so, can your system be modified so that they are running on different
systems?
If so, wouldn't putting MailMarshall on the DMZ accomplish the task?



Theo

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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:38 PM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: [Assp-user] ASSP Relaying in the DMZ

Hi,

I found ASSP when I was looking for something to sit in the DMZ to act
as a relay between the Internet and our LAN (and back again).  I'm not
sure that it will do what I want though.  I don't want to do any
filtering (we have MailMarshal for that already).  All I want to do is
relay all incoming e-mail to MailMarshal and deliver all outgoing mail.
A bit like this:

Internet -> DMZ(ASSP) -> LAN(MailMarshal -> Mercury/32 -> Clients)

LAN(Clients -> Mercury/32 -> MailMarshal) -> DMZ(ASSP) -> Internet

I've got the first bit going.  I can send an e-mail to myself and ASSP
sends it to MailMarshal.  I'm just not sure about going the other way.
 Can ASSP deliver outgoing mail or does it need to go through another
mail server?

If ASSP doesn't do what I want, can someone recommend an alternative
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Hi,

I found ASSP when I was looking for something to sit in the DMZ to act
as a relay between the Internet and our LAN (and back again).  I'm not
sure that it will do what I want though.  I don't want to do any
filtering (we have MailMarshal for that already).  All I want to do is
relay all incoming e-mail to MailMarshal and deliver all outgoing
mail.  A bit like this:

Internet -> DMZ(ASSP) -> LAN(MailMarshal -> Mercury/32 -> Clients)

LAN(Clients -> Mercury/32 -> MailMarshal) -> DMZ(ASSP) -> Internet

I've got the first bit going.  I can send an e-mail to myself and ASSP
sends it to MailMarshal.  I'm just not sure about going the other way.
 Can ASSP deliver outgoing mail or does it need to go through another
mail server?

If ASSP doesn't do what I want, can someone recommend an alternative
(for Windows)?

-- 
Later

David Kirk

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Funny, I replied to this because it looked like no one had, but then I
realised there were two replies to it that I received a day before I got the
original message.

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Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ass...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:48 AM
Subject: [Assp-user] clearing contents of "notspam" and "spam" folders


> Hi,
>
> Can the folders "notspam" and "spam" be cleared as a maintenance item
> without destroying what ASSP baysian database has already learned?
>
>
> Marc
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No, these are designed to always contain emails.

If you do this, the next time your spam database gets rebuilt, it will be
empty I think.

The only reason to empty them would be if your spam database got severely
corrupted and you wanted to start over.

Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ass...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:48 AM
Subject: [Assp-user] clearing contents of "notspam" and "spam" folders


> Hi,
>
> Can the folders "notspam" and "spam" be cleared as a maintenance item
> without destroying what ASSP baysian database has already learned?
>
>
> Marc
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Double check your no processing regular expression (NPRE).  Make sure
there is no trailing "|" character (this might produce all spam passing
through).

If only some spam is passing through, double check that none of your
NPRE (expressions) exist in the email.

Also, what shows up in the maillog for the problem email.

Theo

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Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:29 AM
To: ass...@li...
Subject: [Assp-user] ARG! Variances in Spam Scoring

Ok, maybe I've messed up my config somehow, but this is driving me nuts.

I get an email not marked as spam.  However, when I score it, it scores
as 100% spam.

The sender isn't whitelisted.

Also, valid replys are automatically getting tagged as spam. My users
can all contribute to the whitelist, and I've verified that the false
spam replying user is whitelisted.

It's like it's working in reverse or something.

Any suggestions on what I should check?

Thanks in advance for any help


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